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[Chezzymann]

Okay, yeah, this sounds like a fringe group alright (the people asking for a recount).

Interesting how the roles have been reversed. People on the left were laughing at conservatives worrying about it being rigged before the election because they were sure that hillary would win, but after she lost now the other side is worried about it being rigged.

 

[Carnby]

Heh. Nice title change.

 

[KingBroly]

Yeah, nice title change.

 

[Fox Mulder]

It's pretty awful to throw this out there with no real evidence.

Fuck trump, but I'd hate to find out that the election was compromised and a winner flips. Undermines everything going forward.

 

[George Washington]

"While it’s important to note the group has not found proof of hacking or manipulation..."

This will not help.

 

[whyamihere]

Thank you for the title change.

 

[jroc74]

I'm getting really concerned for our democracy with the sheer number of posts thinking we should let rigged results stand.

Because to some folks it's all about winning n losing.

Fuck right n wrong.
Fuck neo Nazis on the rise in America.

No, if there is any doubt in the voting pursue it.

 

[Costa Kid]

Can someone explain to me what the issue is with a recount? What's the big deal, especially if there is some possible fraudulent behaviour at play?

 

[Rebel Leader]

"What's" with "all" of the "quote" marks?

Oh, it was a title change

 

[Tarkus]

Good tittle change

 

[whyamihere]

Can someone explain to me what the issue is with a recount? What's the big deal, especially if there is some possible fraudulent behaviour at play?

There's nothing wrong with a recount. She might end up winning Michigan. It won't change the election result.

 

[Speevy]

Trump twitter:


"Hilary is contesting the vote results. Such a sore loser. Sad."

 

[oneofthose]

if there is a revote replace hillary with someone else.

 

[Joe]

The lawyer involved in this runs a non-profit Free Speech For Free People
http://freespeechforpeople.org/about/

He retweeted this 11 days ago:
https://twitter.com/JohnBonifaz/status/797140399118843904

BREAKING: Call 4 an audit of 2016 pres. election just issued @VerifiedVoting http://bit.ly/2fEjIyH Please sign + circulate @KatrinaNation

The link is an online petition started by another organization but it seems like it sheds a little more light on his perspective:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/810/285/388/

The FBI determined some months ago that hacking, originating from Russia, was having an influence on our electoral process.  These hackers interfered with our presidential election through attempted and successful penetration of email and voter registration databases, among other systems. This created fear, uncertainty, and doubt about the safety of our electoral processes.

Computers tabulated the vast majority of the 129 million votes cast in the presidential election, and polls were wildly off. Did hackers manipulate the results by compromising voting equipment? Did other problems, glitches, or errors affect the outcome? 

There's a simple, relatively inexpensive way to find out: audit the electronic results against the paper ballots used by about 75% of U.S. voters.

American democracy depends on public trust of our electoral process, and public trust requires a trustworthy process.

Update #2
7 hours ago

USA Today Opinion Piece Makes The Case For Audits, Momentum Continues to Build --On Friday, November 18, USA Today published an Opinion Piece by Nationally respected Cyber Security experts and Verified Voting board members Philip Stark and Ron Rivest. In the article, they make the case for the simplicity and accuracy of Risk Limiting Audits. Please share this article and the petition line. - http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/11/18/election-audit-paper-machines-column/93803752/

 

[jfkgoblue]

Part of me is pretty sure that if there was a recount, it'd be theoretically possible to win Michigan and Wisconsin (especially Michigan, which should could win outright anyway). Which, fine. Maybe

But that doesn't get you 270. I'm very suspicious there'd be a way to close a 60,000 vote gap in Pennsylvania. I just don't see it happening, and my guess is a lot of these issues can be addressed through looking at the education in these counties.

We lost. It sucks. She lived in Pennsylvania and carried key counties that we thought would matter. The early vote looked good in Florida. The early returns looked great in Florida. But she lost and there's nothing we can do about it now.

Fuck I feel like I'm having an anxiety attack again.

Michigan is 100% paper ballots

Also, machines aren't connected to the internet, so it'd have to be a vast network of undercover Russian spies on site that no one catches somehow. And that is the weakest reasoning to suspect it anyway. Cmon guys stop feeding into this conspiracy theory bs.

 

[KingBroly]

The lawyer involved in this runs a non-profit Free Speech For Free People
http://freespeechforpeople.org/about/

He retweeted this 11 days ago:
https://twitter.com/JohnBonifaz/status/797140399118843904


The link is an online petition:
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/810/285/388/

It still feels to me like they're basing this off the polling data, which was wrong.

 

[Speevy]

Michigan is 100% paper ballots

Also, machines aren't connected to the internet, so it'd have to be a vast network of undercover Russian spies on site that no one catches somehow. And that is the weakest reasoning to suspect it anyway. Cmon guys stop feeding into this conspiracy theory bs.

If they can find imaginary terrorists, we can find imaginary Russians.

 

[Xe4]

Lol, that title change. Bunch of nothingsause, this was.

 

[NervousXtian]

Yeah, no proof of anything... not gonna happen.

 

[Rebel Leader]

If they can find imaginary terrorists, we can find imaginary Russians.

Psst.. there 5 russians in my house!

 

[KingBroly]

If they can find imaginary terrorists, we can find imaginary Russians.

I'm afraid to ask...but what's this about?

 

[ishibear]

There were so many accusations that votes were being tampered with before voting day but now all of a sudden, no one wants to take it seriously.

Interesting.

 

[CarpeDeezNutz]

The fingers mean money!

 

[Lothar]

There were so many accusations that votes were being tampered with before voting day but now all of a sudden, no one wants to take it seriously.

Interesting.

Because we're all in on it!

 

[Mechazawa]

...like Mega64 hacking?

Statue of Liberty: Hacked

 

[Soapbox Killer]

I call bunk but it does seem very strange that Donald Trump could win PA. I mean we haven't voted Republican since 1988 that's 28 years. The path of this being true leads to a very dark place.

 

[Stumpokapow]

"What's" with "all" of the "quote" marks?

Oh, it was a title change

The article does not present evidence that Clinton was presented with anything; it does not present signs of anything, merely an allegation; the thing being described is not especially vote hacking; there's nothing in the article about recounts being mulled (also it's not the campaign's prerogative to recount, only to ask for one); and the mechanism to detect what is being alleged is not a recount, it's an audit of the voting machine. Basically, even before the rather convincing dismantlements of the allegations in the thread, nothing in the title represents the actual substance of the facts being reported.

The source article's title is far more accurate to its contents:
"Activists Urge Clinton Campaign to Challenge Election Results in 3 Swing States"

I call bunk but it does seem very strange that Donald Trump could win PA. I mean we haven't voted Republican since 1988 that's 28 years. The path of this being true leads to a very dark place.

The "dark place" being a general trend in the midwest, owing to high percentages of white non-college voters, towards the candidate who has done the most of any candidate over the last 28 years to court white non-college voters through explicitly racial and economically populist appeals?

 

[Calamari41]

There were so many accusations that votes were being tampered with before voting day but now all of a sudden, no one wants to take it seriously.

Interesting.

Neogaf has been infiltrated by the forces of Putin!

 

[vasametropolis]

This is such a slippery slope at this point. Don't recounts occur earlier? Understandably they'd like to do anything to stop him from taking office. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they tried anything.

Anything.

Anything.

I'm imagining a nightmare scenario if it flipped and I don't think anyone would trust the legitimacy of it at this point. You should not ask for this.

 

[TheMan]

Seeing as how she won the popular vote, I'd be ok with recounts. It's the will of the people.

 

[KingBroly]

There were so many accusations that votes were being tampered with before voting day but now all of a sudden, no one wants to take it seriously.

Interesting.

Because we are fucking tired of this election cycle?

It's been 2 weeks without a peep of a challenge threat and now all of a sudden people want her to challenge?


A challenge here can only lead to bad things. Fight for changing electoral laws nationwide (there are a lot, btw) for future elections, but not 2 weeks after the fact.

 

[Robot Pants]

Just do it just to see what comes of it. Country is gonna go berserk

 

[ishibear]

I call bunk but it does seem very strange that Donald Trump could win PA. I mean we haven't voted Republican since 1988 that's 28 years. The path of this being true leads to a very dark place.

I feel you. Even if this story is junk, I have a hard time believing MI would go to Trump. None of it makes sense to me. We haven't voted Republican since 1992 iirc?

 

[jfkgoblue]

There's nothing wrong with a recount. She might end up winning Michigan. It won't change the election result.

Michigan is official he won by 10k votes, no recount will make that up
http://www.freep.com/story/news/pol...higan-but-donald-trump-still-winner/94305556/

I feel you. Even if this story is junk, I have a hard time believing MI would go to Trump. None of it makes sense to me. We haven't voted Republican since 1992 iirc?

88
Also Michigan doesn't use voting machines.

 

[ishibear]

Because we are fucking tired of this election cycle?

It's been 2 weeks without a peep of a challenge threat and now all of a sudden people want her to challenge?


A challenge here can only lead to bad things. Fight for changing electoral laws nationwide (there are a lot, btw) for future elections, but not 2 weeks after the fact.

For the love of fucking humanity....

America won't do shit if Trump gets kicked out or a recount reveals he cheated. Too many lazy ass people here to rise up for some hypothetical revolt.

Besides, those who want him out vastly outnumber them anyway. Everyone around the world knows we fucked up. America knows we fucked up. Enough with this passive crap.

 

[Lights and Waves]

I feel physically ill at the idea of this blowing up in our faces and being a total trainwreck. But at the same time, it would be so fucking iconic if the results showed that it was tampered and Hillary did win...

 

[7DollarHagane]

They can investigate all they want to get true and satisfactory results. Whatever it is the truth should be known to everyone.

But I sure hope it doesn't flip flop because the violence and anger will be 10x worse from the trump side than it was from the hillary side. It's scary.

 

[MIMIC]

Just when you thought the election was over.....

Man, if this is true (which I honestly doubt), America is ruined. If a national election is -- dare I say -- rigged, then what else has been tampered with?

 

[KingBroly]

For the love of fucking humanity....

America won't do shit if Trump gets kicked out or a recount reveals he cheated. Too many lazy ass people here to rise up for some hypothetical revolt.

Besides, those who want him out vastly outnumber them anyway. Everyone around the world knows we fucked up. America knows we fucked up. Enough with this passive crap.

There are many aspects to this that I don't believe you're thinking about, namely the transition team. You'd be asking the current team to stop, hang in limbo for...a month, and then potentially tell them to leave so a new transition team would be hired and have to not only catch up to speed, but continue that process. And don't even get me started on how pissed people would be if the results somehow changed. It's a disaster waiting to happen, no matter which way it went, if this path was taken.

 

[ishibear]

88
Also Michigan doesn't use voting machines.

I'm in MI. I know this.

When I went to vote there were issues getting the machine to accept ballots, including my own.

I blame faulty electronics but who knows? Some votes could have been damaged...

Hell if I know. But Fwiw, I'm putting that out there. These are dark times indeed...

 

[TheSecondSpitter]

Seeing as how she won the popular vote, I'd be ok with recounts. It's the will of the people.

A recount will inevitably depend on the will of SCOTUS not the people.

 

[Lothar]

I feel physically ill at the idea of this blowing up in our faces and being a total trainwreck. But at the same time, it would be so fucking iconic if the results showed that it was tampered and Hillary did win...

Hillary would still lose if you gave her those two states. Michigan is out of the question according to Nate Silver.

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

You don't challenge something when you know you're going to lose.

It would leave a huge asterisk on this election, and show that the "rampant" voter fraud was on the side oF the aisle saying the Democrats rigged the election.


Not that the Republicans would accept that it happened, though. They have a problem accepting facts.

 

[jim-jam bongs]

Been seeing murmurs about this for the past few days, I wish it were true but I'm not going to hold my breath. The only interference in the course of the 2016 election was from Russia via WikiLeaks and the Feds via Comey, both of which are publicly acknowledged.

 

[ishibear]

There are many aspects to this that I don't believe you're thinking about, namely the transition team. You'd be asking the current team to stop, hang in limbo for...a month, and then potentially tell them to leave so a new transition team would be hired and have to not only catch up to speed, but continue that process. And don't even get me started on how pissed people would be if the results somehow changed. It's a disaster waiting to happen, no matter which way it went, if this path was taken.

If those people have any shred of dignity and respect for our "great nation" they would be careful to take it seriously. It's not as devastating as you're pretending it is.

Again, if Trump cheated the fault is on HIM not the voters who exercised their right. People should be more pissed that their candidate didn't believe in them enough to win and instead resorted to cheating.

There will be no disaster. It would be a humbling experience for America. We're not as invincible as we pretend to be. Our democracy needs work. There won't be a war. People have jobs and shit to go to.

 

[family_guy]

I don't think Hillary would call for a recount. Even if she legitimately won some of the states, there was still overwhelming alot of states she didn't win. I'd let America live with its choice for better or worse, unless they could prove more states were involved in voter fraud.

 

[EmpressInYellow]

Been seeing murmurs about this for the past few days, I wish it were true but I'm not going to hold my breath. The only interference in the course of the 2016 election was from Russia via WikiLeaks and the Feds via Comey, both of which are publicly acknowledged.

Well, don't forget the GOP, via cynically-targeted voter ID and ballot access measures, but again, we all know those exist.

 

[KingBroly]

If those people have any shred of dignity and respect for our "great nation" they would be careful to take it seriously. It's not as devastating as you're pretending it is.

Again, if Trump cheated the fault is on HIM not the voters who exercised their right. People should be more pissed that their candidate didn't believe in them enough to win and instead resorted to cheating.

There will be no disaster. It would be a humbling experience for America. We're not as invincible as we pretend to be. Our democracy needs work. There won't be a war. People have jobs and shit to go to.

Did you go through 2000? That was a disaster and everyone knows it. It was not humbling. This would be infinitely worse.

 

[ishibear]

Did you go through 2000? That was a disaster and everyone knows it. It was not humbling. This would be infinitely worse.

16 years later. A lot has changed.

 

[shira]

Michigan is 100% paper ballots

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