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[aspiegamer]

You know, Democrats, whatever, go for it! We look stupid enough already, why not go for full blown humiliation while you're at it? We got the popular vote win, so use it to try to comfort ourselves at night and get on with future business. Full disclosure: I have minimal faith in the system, but because of discriminatory voting restrictions and not because we don't know how to count.

This is ridiculous. Let it go.

Pretty much.

Interested in those few proven instances of more votes cast than registered voters in WI, though. They make no difference, but we should still solve that stuff. The Feingold loss is, again, a reinforcement of the presidential result. With some magical 7 point gap that means he'd have performed 10 points worse than Clinton. Yeah, no.

 

[kaching]

This will do nothing but damage the reputation of the American System and our faith in it. Guess we should just throw everything away for the sake that we will get a president in that wouldn't be able to do anything with a Republican Congress.

Even assuming there's nothing to this story, my faith in the American System is pretty shaken as is. A recount, if the evidence warranted it, would hardly be unprecedented or make anything worse.

 

[EmpressInYellow]

To people saying "take the L" - why? What possible utility is there in doing so? If the roles were reversed, do you think the GOP would be chill and conciliatory over all of this?

We're just talking about an audit of the vote. If people have concerns about the integrity of the vote, assuage then by doing due diligence. Problem solved.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

Nah, cheating is trivial. The paper votes are extremely unlikely to be counted.

I'm sure the voting machines are checked to be working properly before the real vote starts. You have so many voting machines going to so many different counties with different rules/hours, and many election officials from different parties involved. There would have to be a huge conspiracy for there to be actual rigging. Use Occam's Razor. The discrepancy has already been explained by leading data analysts as it is, there being no actual discrepancy.

 

[legacyzero]

Take the fucking L democrats. Try again in 2018.

Come the fuck on. As much as I have loved saying this for the past couple weeks, this is very different. If these allegations are true, holy shit.

 

[KingBroly]

They are grasping at straws here. That still doesn't get her to 270. People need to accept that she lost. They even admit that there's no evidence of manipulation or fraud.

PA (20), WI (10) and MI (16) would be 46 votes.

We also have 2 quick analyses that show, when weighted based on gender/race/etc., that 7% disparity goes to 0%. There might be a 1% difference. At best.

 

[Air]

I don't see anything coming from this. I don't think she'd challenge it either, shes probably tired of being seen as public enemy no.1. If it actually turns out there was law breaking going on, she should challenge it, but the results for the electoral college are so far apart it seems unlikely.

That said I always thought it's strange that in the two times this has happened, the electoral college went red instead of blue. If their job is to save the republic from the people, it's like they're batting 0-2 now, especially after GWB. You'd think they'd want to stay far away from Republicans after his run.

 

[gamechanger87]

Nate Silver essentially killing this off.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NateSilver538?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Michigan doesn't even have electronic voting so I'm not sure how it was hacked?

 

[BocoDragon]

I have faith.

On Monday morning, we're getting a big photo of Verendus' copy of the game, next to his TV showing the last leg of the game. His impressions will turn out to be accurate. The game will be sublime, and will not only revive the FF brand, but jRPGs and Japanese console gaming in general. Also, a recount will reveal that Hillary Clinton won the presidency. Jschreier will be sobbing into his cheerios and Falk will breathe a sigh of relief knowing he didn't send a True Insider to the purgatory of perma.

I called it.

Free Verendus.

 

[Vermillion]

I called it.

If that's the case, it'll be really fucking bad. WWIII for certain.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Nate Silver essentially killing this off.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NateSilver538?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Michigan doesn't even have electronic voting so I'm not sure how it was hacked?

Russian carrier pigeons

 

[Arkeband]

...like Mega64 hacking?

 

[KingBroly]

Nate Silver essentially killing this off.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NateSilver538?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Michigan doesn't even have electronic voting so I'm not sure how it was hacked?

I believe Michigan certified their results today, so with that, even if you flipped WI and PA, Trump would still be at 276

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

PA (20), WI (10) and MI (16) would be 46 votes.

We also have 2 quick analyses that show, when weighted based on gender/race/etc., that 7% disparity goes to 0%. There might be a 1% difference. At best.

Is anyone questioning the Pennsylvania results?

 

[KingBroly]

Is anyone questioning the Pennsylvania results?

PA, WI and MI are ones being questioned. At least from what I've read.

 

[Complistic]

It's just getting sad at this point.

 

[DragonSworne]

This would mean war with Russia if this true and a prison cell for Trump.

 

[_Nemo]

Jesus, just drop it already.

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

I believe Michigan certified their results today, so with that, even if you flipped WI and PA, Trump would still be at 276

Is that really the point though? If WI and PA flipped because of tampering, that would be massive as fuck news that puts the election in an entirely different light. (not that is in any way the reality of the situation, only hypotheticals here).

 

[DashReindeer]

Let's say they investigate and find fraud. Somehow electors choose Hillary Clinton as President. Here's what would happen:

• Republicans would never accept that.
  
• Donald Trump refusing to concede, set's up a shadow government in Trump Tower. (edit: as in shadow cabinet)
  
• Political chaos for the forseeable future.
  
• Total and complete obstruction in the House & Senate.
  
• Possible armed uprising among Trump's deplorables.

That's just the beginning. Think you'd get supreme court nominations at least? Naw, no nominations of anything for 4 years. No confirmation of cabinet. No nothing. Government shutdown just as a start.

Donald Trump could be very bad, but I think the above is actually worse.

Why is nothing happening in Washington better than enacting Trump and his advisers' policies? Obviously what you lay out is a worst case scenario, and it still sounds better than the worst case scenario with Trump in charge of the country. No appointments sounds so much better than loading the Supreme Court with the types of people that Trump wants in there.

 

[KingBroly]

This would mean war with Russia if this true and a prison cell for Trump.

You'd have to prove he was in on it to do the latter.

 

[EmpressInYellow]

Jesus, just drop it already.

Again: why?

 

[KingBroly]

Is that really the point though? If WI and PA flipped because of tampering, that would be massive as fuck news that puts the election in an entirely different light. (not that is in any way the reality of the situation, only hypotheticals here).

You don't challenge something when you know you're going to lose.

 

[NyMartin90]

That said I always thought it's strange that in the two times this has happened, the electoral college went red instead of blue. If their job is to save the republic from the people, it's like they're batting 0-2 now, especially after GWB. You'd think they'd want to stay far away from Republicans after his run.

One thing I think most people took away from this election, for those who reflected on the issues, is that Middle America and the divide between Rural and Urban America have two different perspectives. Most people however with as terrible of an election as this was refused to see each other's ideas.

Zakaria actually goes into this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am9Gn8xK4EM

 

[soco]

I sounds much more likely that Podesta is going through the list of people he has to listen to, because that's what a losing campaign needs to do in order to not get hung from the rafters, and like any other big block of cheese day, this included a bunch of fringe groups that they politely nodded to, and for some reason a journalist is credulously reporting this.

Yup, sadly. As much as I'd like to believe there's a credible chance of this happening, these things can be insanely difficult to prove, and even if proved, it's such a grey area in a lot of the state laws about how to proceed. Plus, opening this box could negatively affect Democrats in future elections.

 

[Netherscourge]

Who can anyone trust though?

Would Trump voters BELIEVE the election was hacked in favor of Trump? Would Trump and all his cohorts accept a reversal, even if it was true?

If they investigate this, it has to come from someone completely independent.

Trump would rally his crazies against the FBI, CIA, DHS or any other investigative organization that finds evidence to show the election was rigged in his favor.

The whole thing reeks of desperation. But if this was a hack job, by Russia especially, then we're fucked all-around.

 

[ginger ninja]

lets not put the country through this.

 

[TheRedSnifit]

Nate Silver essentially killing this off.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NateSilver538?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Michigan doesn't even have electronic voting so I'm not sure how it was hacked?

Have we verified that the paper ballots didn't come from Russian trees?

 

[malingenie]

Don't latch to this. You are bargaining. Let it go.

 

[Crayon]

Again: why?

Because trying to win is for republicans. When they go low, we go high and good will always win. Just like tv.

 

[gamechanger87]

Per Nate Silver:

https://twitter.com/natesilver538

To follow: some *very* quick analysis which suggests the claim here of rigged results in Wisconsin is probably BS:

Run a regression on Wisc. counties with >=50K people, and you find that Clinton improved more in counties with only paper ballots. HOWEVER:

...the effect COMPLETELY DISAPPEARS once you control for race and education levels, the key factors in predicting vote shifts this year.

Maybe a more complicated analysis would reveal something, but usually bad news when a finding can't survive a basic sanity check like this.

Nothing in Pennsylvania, either, whether or not you control for demographics.

And Michigan has paper ballots everywhere, so not even sure what claim is being made there.

 

[yanipheonu]

I'm sure they'll be looking it over. If they think it'll make a difference recount.

 

[Calamari41]

Again: why?

Actually going through with this and failing would make the Democrats a national laughing stock to all but the party loyalists.

 

[brochiller]

They better be damn sure there's actually something there if they investigate. On one hand, I'd like to let it go and move on, but on the other, if there was some sort of hacking you can't just let it go. That would be a horrible precedent to set.

 

[Hasphat'sAnts]

She needs to kill this now. This is fucking embarrassing.

 

[Theonik]

I'm sure the voting machines are checked to be working properly before the real vote starts. You have so many voting machines going to so many different counties with different rules/hours, and many election officials from different parties involved. There would have to be a huge conspiracy for their to be actual rigging. Use Occam's Razor. The discrepancy has already been explained by leading data analysts as it is, there being no actual discrepancy.

What cannot be checked, and is the whole vector for such an attack is the software running on the machine. Evading such detection is possible and more importantly, scales up in such a way that the number of people involved in deploying the machines doesn't matter. There is hundreds of scenarios, from hacking the software vendor to various other ways of manipulation. The key here is that once you figure out a way to exploit the system scaling it up is trivial that is the actual risk here.

The question has nothing to do with whether this election is rigged, but in how electronic voting systems are fundamentally unreliable.

 

[soco]

Nate Silver essentially killing this off.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NateSilver538?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Michigan doesn't even have electronic voting so I'm not sure how it was hacked?

While it's unlikely there is anything there, the paper ballots but those all run into computers that do the tabulation, communicate, and store the results. There's a number of potential entry points where a security issue could arise. It's a huge stretch, but it's not impossible.

 

[EmpressInYellow]

Actually going through with this and failing would make the Democrats a national laughing stock to all but the party loyalists.

Calling for an audit of the vote in three states would not even be NOTICED by the majority of the population.

 

[NHarmonic.]

Some people really dont know when its lost. Its over.

Lol, and what if not? If this shit actually happened, wow.
I mean, if wikileaks, 4ch, bb and some reddits were clearly pro-trump and his bullshit, then i can see them attempting something like this.

 

[hydragonwarrior]

Not going to happen, but it would be a hell of a thing if it did

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[Calamari41]

Calling for an audit of the vote in three states would not even be NOTICED by the majority of the population.

If Hillary Clinton takes back her concession and calls for a recount two weeks after the election, I guarantee you that the population will notice.

 

[Escape Goat]

Let's just take the L for the next 4 years.

If this is legit it needs to be pursued.

 

[Scofield94941]

to all the people saying to let it go: sorry if it is hard for us to accept Trump as our fucking president. Of course we will latch on to any hope of that not happening for fuck sakes

 

[Deleted member 80556]

Per Nate Silver:

https://twitter.com/natesilver538

Okay, yeah, this sounds like a fringe group alright (the people asking for a recount).

 

[Ac30]

Calling for an audit of the vote in three states would not even be NOTICED by the majority of the population.

The right will play it for years to come as the Dems undermining democracy. This is exactly the kind of shit Breitbart salivates over.

 

[JP_]

Good.

 

[Trey]

We are living in dangerous times.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Again: why?

Thats the only way to stop the nazis.

 

[RedHill]

Let's just take the L for the next 4 years.

It's a bit more than an L, kiddo.

 

[FireVoa]

Can she un-concede? I mean she called him and then announced she lost. Isnt that the end of it despite the shitty outcome? Trump is in the middle of a presidential transition, if there was even a chance of this happening it would have already happened.