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[RumblingRosco]

If Sanders had any shot (or interest?) in being her running mate, he would have dropped out weeks ago at the minimum.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Did you watch Tuesdays speech?



Not everyone follows the primary as closely as you do.

The speech where he got his supporters to boo The Democratic Party and claimed he was still going to win?

Cause that's the part that got the most replay time.

 

[j_k_redtail]

It feels like his plan now is to damage Clinton as much as possible...cast as much suspicion and doubt as possible, including the DNC. Then while her polls get shake....he's like "See look!!! She's terrible! Nominate me!"

Reminds me of the "Starve the Beast" style of governance which is so popular in certain quarters of the GOP.

Except Bernie Sanders is never actually going to be president. He's not likely to come back in a few years and say "See, you should've voted for me!"

 

[foxuzamaki]

This nom has been more over than Daniel Bryan circa Wrestlemania 30.

Dat analogy

 

[Link]

And here's the thing. I am absolutely confident that Clinton voters hate Trump enough that MOST of them would back Sanders in a General against him. Sanders supports though? I know too many IRL that will either not vote or vote for Trump. The percentage of Sanders voters who would vote for Clinton compared to Clinton voters who would vote for Sanders is a lot lower. Clinton can't get every independent vote, she can't get a Bernie or bust vote, and she can't get a Sanders vote.

So if Clinton wins, I think Trump definitely has a chance.

If anything, this just proves how ignorant many Sanders supporters are. I won't miss them when they crawl back under their rocks and continue not paying attention once this primary is over.

 

[jack_package_200]

Did you watch Tuesdays speech?



Not everyone follows the primary as closely as you do.

Same speech where they were cheering "Bernie or Bust" and Bern made no attempt to silence it.

 

[boiled goose]

And yet, he still lost. So much for those polls.

Umm. Did I say he won? I just pointed out that the hatred for bernie on this forum is disproportionate.

But go ahead and strawman...

 

[Fenderputty]

If the DNC wants to take the hard line of self preservation and gamble in the general fine....

In what world is Bernie NOT the gamble? Don't pull some polls out that don't mean shit. He's been handled with kiddy gloves. Trumps even sending supportive tweets and it isn't because he thinks Bernie will be the harder competition.

Fuck Berniebots are delusional.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I really hope this is sarcasm.

Is it? What has Hillary ever done for the 99%?

 

[CaptainofIndustry]

Well, no shit.

 

[Palette Swap]

The idea that they are somehow equally bad is so narrow minded. It's amazing how that narrative has any weight at all.

It's a narrative pushed by a fringe of guys on the Internet making "look at me" posts, like that other poster who always trips over themselves to remind everyone in every thread that they're voting for Trump once Bernie is out.

It's a nice bit of trolling but I assume most Bernie voters will vote for Clinton in the end, because they care about the actual political landscape, not dumb Internet flame wars.

 

[Hazmat]

Bernie has every right to stay in. The primary system is a complete joke and needs to be reformed so you don't have half the states basically being worthless. There needs to be a national primary day, or at the very least, a much shorter primary season, (2 months at most). Also need to switch up which states go first. Bernie won't win this primary, barring some epic shenanigans, but I do hope this (and the republican primary) might lead to some real reforms in how they're done.

A single-day primary would result in the candidate with the most existing name recognition and money winning every time. The primary season should definitely be shorter, but if you want lesser-known candidates like Sanders to ever have a chance (or a chance to spread their message despite a loss, as Sanders has) a single day primary would kill that. If every state had voted on Super Tuesday most people wouldn't even remember Sanders' name by now.

 

[Meowster]

The idea that they are somehow equally bad is so narrow minded. It's amazing how that narrative has any weight at all.

It's embarrassing and ignorant, frankly.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Bernie has every right to stay in. The primary system is a complete joke and needs to be reformed so you don't have half the states basically being worthless. There needs to be a national primary day, or at the very least, a much shorter primary season, (2 months at most). Also need to switch up which states go first. Bernie won't win this primary, barring some epic shenanigans, but I do hope this (and the republican primary) might lead to some real reforms in how they're done.

The only reason Sanders has had the little success he had was because of the long primary.

 

[aliengmr]

If super delegates really did their job, which is to make sure the weaker candidate doesn't make it to the general election they'd back Sanders immediately.

Sanders has couple problems:

1. His plan is a VERY tough sell.

2. Even if he could sell it, almost none of it would get passed.

3. His plan requires too much nuance to counter the obvious narrative of "He's going to raise your taxes."

Obama was called a super socialist over and over and it certainly didn't win him any votes. I find it very difficult to believe and actual socialist with a socialist plan is suddenly going to win as if by magic.

Sanders and Trump are essentially the same candidate, appealing to similar voters, just on opposite ends of the spectrum. Difference is the GOP didn't have a Hillary.

 

[HUELEN10]

If anything, this just proves how ignorant many Sanders supports are. I won't miss them when they crawl back under their rocks and continue not paying attention once this primary is over.

That extremely insulting to say to people just because you don't care for their voting preference; doesn't mean you should assume they are being ignorant or are trolls merely because you don't like where they stand.

 

[Jack The Nipper]

Why do gaffers like her so much?　She honestly seems like she would be a little mean

 

[boiled goose]

The speech where he got his supporters to boo The Democratic Party and claimed he was still going to win?

Cause that's the part that got the most replay time.

I have no issues with booing the democratic party (as long as you boo the Republican party more)

Bernie s message has never been a particularly partisan one. Many Democrats don't like that. To his base that's part of his appeal..

 

[whyamihere]

Stop. Responding. To. Heulen.

He's not a real person!

 

[Miles X]

Some are, but in a a general, some people are gonna vote for her, should he win, simply because of what she's not, the mere fact that she is not Donald Trump.

Could say the same about people voting for Bernie? I don't like him or what he's about, I think he's living a pipedream, is a loose cannon and would be worse than Hillary.

 

[Draper]

Go 3rd party Bern.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

Is it? What has Hillary ever done for the 99%?

Have you heard of CHIP?

 

[brainchild]

Umm. Did I say he won? I just pointed out that the hatred for bernie on this forum is disproportionate.

But go ahead and strawman...

Honestly, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I believe you're far more prone to being attacked by strawmen than I am, which is quite a feat!

You have my condolences.

 

[Link]

That extremely insulting to say to people just because you don't care for their voting preference; doesn't mean you should assume they are being ignorant or are trolls merely because you don't like where they stand.

I'm not assuming. I've seen the arguments they've made during this whole process. Hell, in this very thread. These are not informed people.

 

[Rapscallion]

Go 3rd party Bern.

That would work out great, he'd split the vote for Dems and the Republicans would win in a landslide. President Trump here we come.

Sanders as V.P would unite the dem ticket and gain some momentum for Clinton's campaign.

 

[btrboyev]

The only reason Sanders has had the little success he had was because of the long primary.

Little success? The success he has had has been nothing short of extraordinary. Give some credit.

I'm afraid for the future of my country. I hate Trump and Clinton. Now polls are showing Trump likely beating Clinton in the general. Sucks.

 

[jack_package_200]

Is it? What has Hillary ever done for the 99%?

She played a leading role in the development of State Children’s Health Insurance Program, which provides the much-needed state support for children whose parents cannot afford nor provide them with adequate healthcare coverage.

 

[devilhawk]

Did anyone else laugh at this?

in 2008, the last close Democratic nominating contest.

Well no shit CNN.

 

[Kin5290]

Disagree with dropping out. He is now getting more press now that Republican primary is over. The more people hear his message, the better the country.

But yes, Hillary will be the nominee. Dont know why this is a headline

What is his message? That it's okay for a small but vocal mob to subvert the will of the people? No thanks.

 

[ugaboga232]

I'm not assuming. I've seen the arguments they've made during this whole process. Hell, in this very thread. These are not informed people.

Very few people in this process approach anything that could be called vaguely informed.

 

[jack_package_200]

What is his message? That it's okay for a small but vocal mob to subvert the will of the people? No thanks.

Harassment is fine in the name of revolution.

 

[Brinbe]

Seriously? Some of you are ridiculous. Equating Trump and Clinton as somehow equally horrible is a major disservice to advancing the causes of millions of people who desperately need the most help. Minorities/women/LGBT/the working poor. Talk about living in a delusional and selfish bubble. Very disappointed in you, GAFers.

 

[Big Shirtless Ron]

It feels like his plan now is to damage Clinton as much as possible...cast as much suspicion and doubt as possible, including the DNC. Then while her polls get shake....he's like "See look!!! She's terrible! Nominate me!"

While Mr. Sanders says he does not want Mr. Trump to win in November, his advisers and allies say he is willing to do some harm to Mrs. Clinton in the shorter term if it means he can capture a majority of the 475 pledged delegates at stake in California and arrive at the Philadelphia convention with maximum political power.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/u...n-accuses-head-of-dnc-of-favoritism.html?_r=0

I voted for Bernie in the MI primary, but I've definitely soured on him quite a bit lately.

 

[BotoxAgent]

This is the gaf bubble talking. His favorables are still the highest and his national polling has trended net upward over time.

Outside of gaf, this anti bernie vitriol simply does not exist...

He's still relatively new compared to Hillary. She's had a target on her back for 30 years--which does wonders for favorables.

Republicans are not going to touch Bernie because he's a non-factor at this point. Trump has been attacking Hillary almost exclusively because the GOP knows she will be the nominee.

But if Republicans really want to hurt Sanders, oh boy.

 

[excelsiorlef]

I have no issues with booing the democratic party (as long as you boo the Republican party more)

Bernie s message has never been a particularly partisan one. Many Democrats don't like that. To his base that's part of his appeal..

Then he should have not joined the damn party.

The revolution is against the oppressors not the only organization capable of stopping them.

 

[Link]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/u...n-accuses-head-of-dnc-of-favoritism.html?_r=0

I voted for Bernie in the MI primary, but I've definitely soured on him quite a bit lately.

He's basically running a kamikaze mission at this point.

 

[manakel]

If anything, this just proves how ignorant many Sanders supporters are. I won't miss them when they crawl back under their rocks and continue not paying attention once this primary is over.

I enjoy your ignorant generaliaztion of every Bernie supporter.

It's a given that she is very, very likely to be the nominee. Still, even with her huge lead, I'd be nervous to make a statement like that (call me superstitious).

 

[SlimySnake]

Why do gaffers like her so much?　She honestly seems like she would be a little mean

oh she's a total bitch, but that's not a bad quality to have in a president.

after obama, we need a ball busting president who can get things done. obama couldnt get anything passed in a republican congress. i think Hillary being the mean old bitch that she is made out to be by the republicans could actually get things done.

 

[NullPointer]

 

[excelsiorlef]

oh she's a total bitch, but that's not a bad quality to have in a president.

after obama, we need a ball busting president who can get things done. obama couldnt get anything passed in a republican congress. i think Hillary being the mean old bitch that she is made out to be by the republicans could actually get things done.

Wtf.

 

[Link]

I enjoy your ignorant generaliaztion of every Bernie supporter.

It's a given that she is very, very likely to be the nominee. Still, even with her huge lead, I'd be nervous to make a statement like that (call me superstitious).

I very clearly said that it's not every Bernie supporter. And I'm not nervous at all, because I'm aware of reality and how all of this works. You're only proving my point.

 

[EatinOlives]

oh she's a total bitch, but that's not a bad quality to have in a president.

after obama, we need a ball busting president who can get things done. obama couldnt get anything passed in a republican congress. i think Hillary being the mean old bitch that she is made out to be by the republicans could actually get things done.

Well it didn't take long for blatant sexism to rear its head in this thread.

 

[xxracerxx]

oh she's a total bitch, but that's not a bad quality to have in a president.

after obama, we need a ball busting president who can get things done. obama couldnt get anything passed in a republican congress. i think Hillary being the mean old bitch that she is made out to be by the republicans could actually get things done.

Wut?

 

[BotoxAgent]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/19/u...n-accuses-head-of-dnc-of-favoritism.html?_r=0

I voted for Bernie in the MI primary, but I've definitely soured on him quite a bit lately.

oh wow

 

[Night Angel]

I very clearly said that it's not every Bernie supporter. And I'm not nervous at all, I'm just aware of reality and how all of this works. You're only proving my point.

Maybe BernieMath will actually start working between now and then, and the supers will see the errors of their ways in supporting the nonviable Shillary in her attempts to enslave the 99% to the desires of the 1% and Wall Street.

 

[BitStyle]

oh she's a total bitch, but that's not a bad quality to have in a president.

after obama, we need a ball busting president who can get things done. obama couldnt get anything passed in a republican congress. i think Hillary being the mean old bitch that she is made out to be by the republicans could actually get things done.

uhh, what?

 

[Macam]

oh she's a total bitch, but that's not a bad quality to have in a president.

after obama, we need a ball busting president who can get things done. obama couldnt get anything passed in a republican congress. i think Hillary being the mean old bitch that she is made out to be by the republicans could actually get things done.

That's far more myth than reality.

Spoiler

Also, you're gonna offend 95% of this forum.

 

[gutter_trash]

Bernie decided to not compete in the South = he only has himself to blame for losing.

Heck, Oregon was supposed to be one of his ''blow out'' states like he did in Washington. he did not seal the deal.

Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, New Jersey, California and DC are going to go to Hilldawg.

 

[Glass Shark]

She's right. Bernie is just being belligerent at this point, the math doesn't work out for him.

 

[hammysaurusrex]

Sanders should not be VP as he does not fulfill any of the criteria of what a candidate needs in their VP.

Come on folks; it's not intended to be a slot the second-best gets to fill automatically as a participation prize. It's a job with qualifications like any other position.