People should give this a read. This is more of the stance that America, and the Middle East actually needs. Support, but not blind, and the ability to offer a far more fair and balanced outlook and response, irrespective of political and lobbyist pressure to the contrary.
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Hillary: Must elect "a president with a deep, personal commitment to Israels future"
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People should give this a read. This is more of the stance that America, and the Middle East actually needs. Support, but not blind, and the ability to offer a far more fair and balanced outlook and response, irrespective of political and lobbyist pressure to the contrary.
hydragonwarrior
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While I dislike this stance and the whole appeal of Israel, it is a stance needed to get Repub support.
Alandrus Sun
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I see nothing wrong with those remarks. America isn't going to abandon the only legitimate democracy in the Middle East which is surrounded by enemies. Not even Trump disagrees with this.
Even Bernie said boycotting Israel is Antisemitism
lmao
Today he sucked Israel's dick harder than anyone else. The fuck are you talking about?
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The Albatross
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In that sentence, she's likely criticizing Trump who said that he'd evaluate the relationship between Israel and the US as president, but then like a month later said that "Israeli's love him, he marched with Israeli's," and has since deflected most questions about Israel and spun them into pandering monologues on ISIS.
he used the word occupation, aipac would have run him out of town
Massive Duck. C.M.
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Republican support? Lol. You think Hillary has that? You realise most Republicans think Hillary is a massive liar and a criminal, and that she should be in prison rather than running for president?
This isn't to appease Republicans, it's to appease Israel and the Israeli/Jewish lobbyists, Eg AIPAC.
Ironically I feel like in the past Trump has been more divisive on Israel than Hillary has. Isn't that a sad thing. Though the front runners all seem to be kissing ass these days with the exception of Sanders.
LOL.
Laughing Banana
Weeping Pickle
How convenient, for anyone to just say "Oh no this is not her problem, this is a US problem." or "Everyone is doing it so it's ok that she's doing it too."
Precisely why none of the leader of the US are willing to take a hard stance on Israel that the world succinctly view US as Israel's lapdog that will be glad to wag its tail and kiss its asses whenever its master tells it to.
Disgusting, and disgusting that Hillary stated in such strong and definitive tone that she will make the US help Israel waives all its responsibilities regarding everything that its done.
Disgusting.
Precisely why none of the leader of the US are willing to take a hard stance on Israel that the world succinctly view US as Israel's lapdog that will be glad to wag its tail and kiss its asses whenever its master tells it to.
Disgusting, and disgusting that Hillary stated in such strong and definitive tone that she will make the US help Israel waives all its responsibilities regarding everything that its done.
Disgusting.
SolidSnakeUS
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So uh... what about a deep commitment to the United States' future? Or will that be put on the back burner for the supposed second coming you're all fucking pining for?
Really good read.
Really good read.
Sho_Nuff82
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What the fuck Hillary. Like even Obama would feel slimy endorsing that tripe.
Is it November yet? Every season I try not to get riled up. Just so transparent. But a vote for her is better than a literal racist comic book villan.
Le sigh.
No supporter of Trump could be considered sane.
RustyNails
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Hillary is horrible when it comes to Israel. Really disappointing to hear this crap.
Alandrus Sun
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I guess I must have missed the joke, are you saying that Israel is not a democracy?
Discotheque
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AIPAC needs to go already
Also damn I worry she is gonna decimate the us/Iran relationship when she takes office
Obama had to play the game too but it was refreshing how openly annoyed he was at the Israeli government.
Also damn I worry she is gonna decimate the us/Iran relationship when she takes office
Obama had to play the game too but it was refreshing how openly annoyed he was at the Israeli government.
Funky Papa
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The real question should be What about Iran?
Everything points to Hillary being outright beligerant and not very prone to continue Obama's legacy in that regard. Which could mean a lot more tension and saber rattling that nobody needs.
nah, you just missed the bolded.
Yeah. People always talk up Hillary's foreign policy experience. Quite frankly I think her foreign policy is bar none her biggest detractor.
They are fine. As long as they don't try to take Israel to court. They will lose their funding from us if they do.
Plus the usa is working really hard on that two state solution.
He's not perfect and his position has softened since his earlier days in politics, but even now - he supports Israel without blindly supporting Israel to such an extent where he's unwilling to hold them accountable for their bullshit.
Sho_Nuff82
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The idea of an obligate religious democracy is inherently contradictory.
The Jewish majority can only be maintained indefinitely through underhanded, non-democratic means.
boiled goose
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This speech made her sound like a complete right wing hawk.
So depressing.
So depressing.
SolidSnakeUS
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Funny how we try to support Israel harder and with more money than our own fucking citizens. Hell, we try to support Israel more than our troops that come home.
Jag
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There is no US/Iran relationship. Iran is completely and utterly hostile to the US. A stable ally in the mideast is kind of important to the US. That's what this is about.
None of this is untrue.
benjipwns, now that you've joined the ranks of the Bernie bros turned Trump boosters, maybe it would've behooved you to actually watch Trump's AIPAC speech today before posting this thread.
Hillary supports the Iran deal. Ripping it up is Trump's number one priority.
Hillary will not move the American embassy to Jerusalem. Trump will.
Trump is running far to the right of Hillary on this issue.
Hillary supports the Iran deal. Ripping it up is Trump's number one priority.
Hillary will not move the American embassy to Jerusalem. Trump will.
Trump is running far to the right of Hillary on this issue.
GE Hillary will piss liberals hard. She's gonna play Hillary Hawk 2x.
The cat's out of the bag, most sanctions have been lifted worldwide and investors have been flocking to Iran for business deals, especially from Europe.
Clinton can try to torpedo the fledgling US-Iranian relationship, but I sincerely doubt she'll be able to convince the rest of the world to follow suit and vindictively punish Iran again.
AlimNassor
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Obama was Pro-Israel in the sense he didn't bend over backwards to appease them.
Black-Wind
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And people wonder why so many are anti-Hillary :/
boiled goose
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With Trump running hard to the center.. this could be disastrous
Again, show me the candidate who disagrees with her.
Henchmen21
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It sounds like it because she is. She is neocon in all but name.
XGRaViSmOrSX
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But she is gonna pick the liberal SCOTUS nominations so its cool right guys? This Israel circle jerking in politics needs to end already.
This is a legitimate beef. Yet you don't have pages of people claiming they aren't going to vote..
She's an asshole. But.. better than anyone else as far as qualifications and experience. Minus bernie. Bernie should be our next president. But he sucks at the game of getting in the door.
But this is compromise. And that's democracy.
The Albatross
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Clinton and Obama have functionally the same policy on Israel. Let's remember, Clinton was serving as Obama's secretary of state when she was negotiating the Israeli-Palestinian cease fire and two-state negotiations in 2010.
NullPointer
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How can something so utterly predictable still be so utterly disappointing?
Expected, and sad.
Expected, and sad.
TheLostBigBoss
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Can you explain to me why she would destroy the currently in progress US-Iran relationship after the nuke deal she was part of is currently in progress?
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