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HITMAN |OT| Blood Monthly
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JoJoShabadoo
Member
Got Silent Assassin on Pro Paris. I don't know how the hell I'm gonna do it suit only. Though to be fair, I never did a suit only run on any level in normal difficulty.
spindoctor
Member
If you're playing on Steam the extras will automatically download through Steam for you. Just go into the game's installation folder and you'll find them there.
Moff
Member
I don't think it's too clunky, Hitman before absolution has been 20x more clunky and the lacking save options on professional didn't hurt the game.
I think a) the levels are too big and b) the mechanics are much less forviging than in previous hitman titles. I don't feel the game is balanced for either pro mode or only 1 save. and having both is just not fun.
Or let me put it this way. Pre Absolution Hitman games felt like puzzle games. You didn't need to be a skilled player, you just needed a brain, to plan your approach and execute it. Hitman 2016 on Pro Mode feels more like an action/stealth game.
maybe I'm just whiney but it's honestly too hard for me, I'll make a few tries but I don't think I will really dive into it as I hoped I would.
I think a) the levels are too big and b) the mechanics are much less forviging than in previous hitman titles. I don't feel the game is balanced for either pro mode or only 1 save. and having both is just not fun.
Or let me put it this way. Pre Absolution Hitman games felt like puzzle games. You didn't need to be a skilled player, you just needed a brain, to plan your approach and execute it. Hitman 2016 on Pro Mode feels more like an action/stealth game.
maybe I'm just whiney but it's honestly too hard for me, I'll make a few tries but I don't think I will really dive into it as I hoped I would.
Cool, thanks. Really liking the documentary.
What do you mean by clunky? The controls? They definitely have some issues, but what usually gets me detected even in Pro mode is just sloppiness. And I actually like the 1 save restriction, I pretty much rely on save-scumming my way through stealth games, so it's cool to be forced to break the habit. I do think the extra enforcers are way too punishing in certain places within the levels.
Hardly a documentary that is. I was super disappointed. Now Grounded for TLOU, that was a proper making of.
Remembrance
Member
So far I feel like professional is exactly a puzzle game with more pieces in play.
To put it another way, I don't feel like I have been punished for doing anything that I wouldn't have been punished for on normal. Every time I aroused suspicion or got chased by guards, it was because I deliberately did something dangerous, knowing the risks.
Having gotten to Paris level 5 in two runs, it feels like once I learn which NPCs are carrying key items, where all the cameras are, and where all the new guards are, the difficulty will deescalate to basically the same as on normal.
It's a little barebones, yeah, but I liked it. Thanks for mentioning Grounded, I love TLoU, definitely watching it later.
Dick Justice
Banned
Running in the hotel lobby in Bangkok disguised as a staff member on pro mode, enforcers quickly spin around to look at you. Also, picked up the keycard in the basement while the others were facing the other way. Right as I pick it up, one of them immediately spins around to spot me.
Remembrance
Member
I just scoped this out. I think I might have to open the middle door with a scrambler and then blow up the recordings with a thrown duck.
Otherwise, my first attempt at Bangkok was actually identical to a run on normal up to deleting the recordings.
Paris pro SASO:
1. From the default starting location, run under the mansion entrance stairs; as soon as you tresspass, Victor's guard will detect the noise and come to investigate; distraction chain him until you can safely take him out alone (not necessarily a big deal if you can't, but it's nice), and then take out the camera server.
2. When Victor is heading outside, shoot the outlet in the puddle; sneak towards the helicopter area from there, and climb a pipe to the auction.
3. Once there, pull the fire alarm by Dalia's room entrance; after the guards leave (this will probably take 1 try, but maybe not), run into the bathroom and hide in the wardrobe.
4. When things are calm, take out and lure guards as usual until you can get Dalia, and then leave in whichever way is the most convenient.
2. When Victor is heading outside, shoot the outlet in the puddle; sneak towards the helicopter area from there, and climb a pipe to the auction.
3. Once there, pull the fire alarm by Dalia's room entrance; after the guards leave (this will probably take 1 try, but maybe not), run into the bathroom and hide in the wardrobe.
4. When things are calm, take out and lure guards as usual until you can get Dalia, and then leave in whichever way is the most convenient.
I recommend saving immediately before step 2, immediately before step 3, or immediately before step 4.
Intheflorsh
Banned
I discovered a very, very easy way to clear out the area where Helmut makes his call:
When a guard isn't looking, drop a gun and wait for him to discover it. He'll then take it to a shed where you can knock him out in private. Then, pick up the gun and repeat the process as many times as needed. There's only one body box in the shed, so you'll need to be careful of where you drag the bodies if you knock out more than two guards.
Remembrance
Member
Bangkok camera system defeated on professional.
I think I might just keep this save and do every Bangkok run from it.
I got in with a scrambler, ducked behind the desk to avoid the enforcer, then just stood next to the wall with the two cameras and shot the recordings while everyone was looking away. Even with the Silverballer no one noticed the noise.
Then I ran out of the room right in front of an enforcer guard. He barely started filling up his suspicion meter by the time I got around the corner, even though I was running.
Then I ran out of the room right in front of an enforcer guard. He barely started filling up his suspicion meter by the time I got around the corner, even though I was running.
I think I might just keep this save and do every Bangkok run from it.
Ghostmaster
Member
Finally got the one unlock I want from professional mode, don't really know if I'll bother mastering the other levels.
Remembrance
Member
Here is the most Rube Goldberg kill yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRwdKOc0q_k
Blowing up Dalia with the gas heater, which was detonated with an exploding fire extinguisher next to it, which was detonated with a proximity mine next to it, which was triggered by launching Viktor's dead body up to the balcony from the ground floor with breaching charges and coins.
Blowing up Dalia with the gas heater, which was detonated with an exploding fire extinguisher next to it, which was detonated with a proximity mine next to it, which was triggered by launching Viktor's dead body up to the balcony from the ground floor with breaching charges and coins.
HungOverOnATues
Member
Loving professional mode. Just completed my first mission in it. Did Showstopper on Silent Assassin, Suit Only with just the Pro level 1 unlocks. I'm tempted to see how others did it on youtube now, but I might play around with it a bit more still and try to figure out some other ways to do it first.
Remembrance
Member
I'm 4/5 through Landslide's opportunities - this mission really shows off how the game's development process has grown. All the opportunities actually make you think about how you're supposed to close out the kill (if opportunity tracking is turned off). They're almost all fresh variants on what you've already done, and there's a clear difficulty progression.
Also, having so many locked doors that are not trivial to pick or blow open makes you rely on following behind people, which is a twist not really in the game up to now.
Also, having so many locked doors that are not trivial to pick or blow open makes you rely on following behind people, which is a twist not really in the game up to now.
It's probably been said before but the thing I like about remix levels is they force you to not fall into complacency. Wandering around through apartments I fell into the habit of assuming nobody was around which led to me having to chase down a lot of people while brandishing a crowbar at times.
Got SASO on Professional on all maps except Colorado, on which I don't even have level 20 Mastery, or even SASO on Normal. Really not looking forward to it; Colorado may be the only map I actually dislike. I'm really appreciating Professional for making me relearn the maps, even if it's really annoying sometimes.
Landslide is really fun too, and some of the kills are brutal.
Landslide is really fun too, and some of the kills are brutal.
Remembrance
Member
Finally figured out the last opportunity I was missing in Landslide (the stage) by just trying stuff. I love that opportunities are getting more complex and not just completely predictable while tracking is off - it feels more rewarding.
Then I tried my first Sapienza run on professional and ended up cut down by a shotgun-wielding guard in his underwear. This is totally part of the professional experience too - appreciating some of the more ludicrous moments that only come up when you have to push through with your run.
Then I tried my first Sapienza run on professional and ended up cut down by a shotgun-wielding guard in his underwear. This is totally part of the professional experience too - appreciating some of the more ludicrous moments that only come up when you have to push through with your run.
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I got the full game this past week, the steelbook version and I really liked it, although not as much as Absolution. I've heard that is sacrilegious to hardcore Hitman fans, but I started at Absolution, so I can't relate. I loved the open format of this Hitman a lot, but I preferred the more structured and story-based Hitman of Absolution. That said, totally worth the purchase and highly enjoyed it.
My only complaint is I think the last two missions were easily the weakest. I rank the chapters as: Sapienza-Paris-Bangkok-Marrakesh-Hokkaido-Colorado.
I didn't like the encampment/confined nature of Colorado compared to the others. It was too cramped and heavily guarded compared to the others which offered much greater diversity in gameplay IMO.
My only complaint is I think the last two missions were easily the weakest. I rank the chapters as: Sapienza-Paris-Bangkok-Marrakesh-Hokkaido-Colorado.
I didn't like the encampment/confined nature of Colorado compared to the others. It was too cramped and heavily guarded compared to the others which offered much greater diversity in gameplay IMO.
akidnamededdy
Banned
I liked Colorado in that it offered a different experience from the other mission areas, but I do agree with you in that I just didn't enjoy it that much.
Been playing since Hitman 2 and still haven't finished Absolution though, lol.
spindoctor
Member
I have to say I'm not enjoying Professional mode at all. For me it counteracts two of the most fun things about this game - finding several solutions for a single problem and the ability to adapt when shit hits the fan.
To me Hitman has always been a game with one puzzle (kill the target) and several different ways to solve that puzzle. With the new cameras, new guards and missing items it feels like a lot the variety in approaching a situation is gone. Almost like there's very few (or even just one) 'right' ways to do something and the developers want you to figure it out.
Second, if something goes wrong there doesn't really seem to be any way to recover the run. Combat is hard, getting the hunted or suspicious status basically screws you... And because of the single save every time something goes wrong it's almost certainly a mission restart. Pretty much how we play ETs these days. Restarting the level over and over to learn how not to fuck up is just not that much fun.
To me Hitman has always been a game with one puzzle (kill the target) and several different ways to solve that puzzle. With the new cameras, new guards and missing items it feels like a lot the variety in approaching a situation is gone. Almost like there's very few (or even just one) 'right' ways to do something and the developers want you to figure it out.
Second, if something goes wrong there doesn't really seem to be any way to recover the run. Combat is hard, getting the hunted or suspicious status basically screws you... And because of the single save every time something goes wrong it's almost certainly a mission restart. Pretty much how we play ETs these days. Restarting the level over and over to learn how not to fuck up is just not that much fun.
Absolution is the only other Hitman game I've played, and while I liked it, I much prefer this one. I'm honestly a little puzzled that you didn't like Colorado; it's the level that reminds me the most of Absolution, very cramped and with people who can see through your disguise everywhere. Hokkaido is really cool but I'm not sure I agree with the decision to lock your loadout until level 20.
Encountered a bug last night in Landslide of someone throwing up into a toilet that had a woman sitting on it. She seemed pretty undisturbed by it.
https://youtu.be/KV8KFjj-4oo
https://youtu.be/KV8KFjj-4oo
how do you know they're both not just into that kind of thing
Demoskinos
Member
Ended up realizing this eventually... had no clue the "escape plans" were sitting in that room in the basement. Once I figured that triggered Victor's bodyguard to drop his phone I was off to the races.
Remembrance
Member
Reached level 10 professional in Paris. Did a couple of Sapienza runs.
It turns out that Napoleon Blownaparte plays a role that neither the remote explosive duck nor the exploding phone can fill. It attracts people like the phone, but instantly detonates like the duck. And the explosion is much bigger than the duck's.
Sapienza on professional definitely forces me to improvise when something goes wrong - mainly because I keep running into the very same guards they put into place to surprise experienced players, and because I've given up trying to maintain SA in the biolab until I've gone through it a few times.
So far, it hasn't been too bad knocking out two guards in hand-to-hand - as long as one guard doesn't have line of sight while you fight the other.
It turns out that Napoleon Blownaparte plays a role that neither the remote explosive duck nor the exploding phone can fill. It attracts people like the phone, but instantly detonates like the duck. And the explosion is much bigger than the duck's.
Sapienza on professional definitely forces me to improvise when something goes wrong - mainly because I keep running into the very same guards they put into place to surprise experienced players, and because I've given up trying to maintain SA in the biolab until I've gone through it a few times.
So far, it hasn't been too bad knocking out two guards in hand-to-hand - as long as one guard doesn't have line of sight while you fight the other.
spindoctor
Member
Well I managed to get SA/SO on Paris professional. Protip: don't save too early because you'll be reloading a lot. Better to keep restarting the level until you're a fair way into the mission before you put down a save point. Anyway, I pushed Dalia on Viktor's head to finish the mission. Then I went and checked Youtube to see how others had done it and... pretty much every SA/SO run I find does the same thing. One guy had a variant where he triggered the fireworks and then took a battleaxe up/down the pipe and slit their throats.
I'm sure in time clever people will find amazing ways to pull it off but until then it just kind of reinforces the idea (for me) that professional mode funnels you into specific ways to complete any particular challenge.
I'm sure in time clever people will find amazing ways to pull it off but until then it just kind of reinforces the idea (for me) that professional mode funnels you into specific ways to complete any particular challenge.
The Dear Leader
Banned
I love the added "Is that Pitbull?!" line, too good. And I think Landside is my favorite bonus mission and one of my favorite overall, it's so densely packed with cool stuff, it's nice not having such a huge playground for a change, you can really get around quickly and see what the whole mission has to offer.
HungOverOnATues
Member
I actually hadn't done either of the fireworks kills before on pro or regular before trying SASO on pro, but I can see why so many would try it that way.
I took the auction invite, snuck into Dalia's bathroom via the attic, lured her in with the sink overflow and garroted her. Ran back down to the main floor, picked up a stashed emetic poison syringe, hung around the bar to trigger Viktor going to the meeting in the courtyard, and then hid behind planter where Viktor goes to take his phone call. Once he got there I poked him with the syringe and followed him to the bathroom, coined the bodyguard out into the hallway, and garroted Viktor.
Remembrance
Member
Well, Terminal Velocity was the most popular SASO route even back when Paris came out! I'm sure the average player has only done SASO on Paris this way, whether on normal or pro. (Yes, I also did this for my last push to reach level 10.)
But you need to check the speedrunners' accounts to see people trying original routes. Like this SASO run from earlier today using only chandeliers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMwAlcFiRkI
I haven't played since Hokkaido dropped, jumped right into the escalation. I was a little rusty, the toughest part was ritually grabbing the Helmut disguise (I can't think of a single more versatile or accessible disguise in the entire game), thought I'd try out the lethal syringe and I ended up getting my first SA, I guess if it looked like an "accident" and the body's found they let you off that criteria? Shocked by how easy it was to just jab it in his back in an area that wasn't super secluded, and just walk away.
Yeah they changed how the lethal syringe worked a while ago. It was useless before and went on to became one of the most powerful loadout tools in the arsenal.
Madeupfred
Neo Member
Now here's a game I KNOW is a good time. Thank you for your posting, OP.
Hierophant
Banned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvPPvtOwIsM
"HITMAN - Situs Inversus PRO/SA/SO/Keyboard Only/No Loadout/Default Controls (19:49)"
Yes you read that correctly, no mouse
"HITMAN - Situs Inversus PRO/SA/SO/Keyboard Only/No Loadout/Default Controls (19:49)"
Yes you read that correctly, no mouse
This is when one has reached the point of simply running out of shit to do.
It's not specifically all in one mission, and not exactly what you're asking for -- but Watch Dogs 2 had some good stealth action set in similar scenarios.
AHA-Lambda
Member
So when are we actually expecting a season 2 announcement?
I hope I'm wrong, but E3.
Remembrance
Member
Sapienza level 7/10 already. It feels like old times, dancing around guards and crouch-running over the roof.
Some advice:
- Don't make the same mistake I did and initiate the Memento opportunity while assuming that there are still any propane tanks on the roof or in the attic.
- Kitchen staff and gardeners are allowed to carry propane tanks without suspicion.
- Weeding the Garden and Getting Your Hands Dirty are the only challenges that can be stacked with The Personal Touch in one run. Plan accordingly to save yourself a run.
- The Seeger 300 isn't actually powerful enough to headshot from the spot where you would normally want to do Sniper Assassin.
Some advice:
- Don't make the same mistake I did and initiate the Memento opportunity while assuming that there are still any propane tanks on the roof or in the attic.
- Kitchen staff and gardeners are allowed to carry propane tanks without suspicion.
- Weeding the Garden and Getting Your Hands Dirty are the only challenges that can be stacked with The Personal Touch in one run. Plan accordingly to save yourself a run.
- The Seeger 300 isn't actually powerful enough to headshot from the spot where you would normally want to do Sniper Assassin.
Remembrance
Member
IO has promised the next elusive target in Hokkaido. Time to complete that collection next week.
Demoskinos
Member
So I just finished doing another run on Professional Paris. If anyone is still having trouble getting Helmut's disguise and maintaining a SA I think I have a pretty fool proof way to get the disguise every time.
This is from the 2nd half of the mission starts right after I finished the Bartender Opportunity for Victor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnjkwY9vMaA
This is from the 2nd half of the mission starts right after I finished the Bartender Opportunity for Victor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnjkwY9vMaA
Ghostmaster
Member
So apparently, the Sieger variant you unlock on Professional difficulty plays Ave Maria while zoomed in.
Damn it's probably real hard to get all the way to lvl 10 in Colorado of all places.
Damn it's probably real hard to get all the way to lvl 10 in Colorado of all places.
Remembrance
Member
We've all been doing it the hard way all along. The brain-dead easy method to get Helmut, courtesy of BernardoOne.
Might need a little improvisation with more coins if guards are passing by.