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Hollywood Hogan's nWo: Let's talk about it and remember
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Hogan said "New World Order" at the start of the promo, but ended up saying "new world organization" twice at the end. It was probably a result of him referring to "that organization" (aka the WWF) about a dozen times in that promo.
Also, I don't remember where I heard this from, but I remember hearing that Hall was offered the world title a couple of times in WWF, but turned it down due to feeling that he couldn't carry the responsibilities of being the top guy.
Also, I don't remember where I heard this from, but I remember hearing that Hall was offered the world title a couple of times in WWF, but turned it down due to feeling that he couldn't carry the responsibilities of being the top guy.
Makes sense on both points. Hall should have gotten a WCW title though, since that has no responsibility.
LiquidMetal14
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I love how Virgil kind of does a face palm before ultimate doing a totally half assed NWO sign lol
I'm glad I lived through wrestling of the 80's, 90's, and early 2000's.
Much different than just catching up after the fact. Knowing that I was there and watching the angles play out can't be beat.
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Difference is that The Nexus were already WWE employees so most knew it was an angle. When Hall and Nash first started showing up on Nitro people legitimately thought that Vince had sent them down there to fuck shit up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbT2bMOXw8U
Glorious generic theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgLRrBo_wEU
That is all. lWo 4-life!
deejay8595
my posts are "MEH"
THANK YOU!! Brings back great memories!
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Fuck the bWo.
Shamrock7r
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Hogan had the greatest heel run ever. It's not even close. No wrestler was as hated as Hollywood Hogan and only he could do it because of his long, mainstream face run from the decades before, and you have to give credit to Hogan for just completely buying in and owning the role. You can tell he had fun with it.
How much of the whole angle was Bichoff's idea? While the nWo had a good run, isn't this basically the beginning of the end of WCW because Hogan was running the show? The inmates were running the asylum, and Hogan's arrogance and insistence that he was always going to be the top dog could never work long term.
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Probably either when their Raw uploads catch up to the current batch of Nitros or when the commitment after SummerSlam ends, whichever comes last.
The Albatross
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Was hogan really hated though? It was at a time when wrestling was changing and fans started rooting for the heels... Hell, nWo, for a heel faction, was ridiculously popular
ECW started the attitude ERA imo not NWO. I got to watch it and got to see Austin cut his WCW hate promos (some of the best promos of all time). WCW/WWE just copied that edgy attitude that they had in ECW.
You had Austin doing stuff like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcDXGnGCOZA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKRe9PAGfCw
You also had Lion Heart Jericho, Cactus Jack, Raven, Paul E Dangerously, ECW version of Rude, ECW Pillman, Dudley Boys and many more.
You had Austin doing stuff like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcDXGnGCOZA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKRe9PAGfCw
You also had Lion Heart Jericho, Cactus Jack, Raven, Paul E Dangerously, ECW version of Rude, ECW Pillman, Dudley Boys and many more.
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He was getting huge boos before nWo rolled into town
A. HBK wasn't a part of the blackface thing
B. Chyna was stronger than most of the dudes, beat the shit out of them. It is in no way offensive to treat her like a man. In fact, that became a major part of her character.
He called it the New World Order, New World Organization, and New Blood. He said New World Order first.
shoplifter
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Yeah it's important to remember that Vince hadn't given the "yeah we know that you know this is all fake" speech yet.
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Deleted member 47027
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I still think if they wanted to, they could pull another massive angle like this without anyone knowing anything. Just would take a little work.
The obvious thing to do is make the internet darlings the new nWo, right? Well, not called the nWo, but the same kind of thing... but like someone already mentioned, they had that with The Nexus or whatever (I wasn't watching then) and screwed it up, yeah?
QueenOfThorns
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A: My bad on the HBK thing. Thought that was like early DX but forgot X-Pac was there.
B: I have no problem with her getting beat up every now and then, especially as she's a heel. My problem is the commentary with JR barking about how if "she wants to be treated like a man, then treat her like a man!!" which is "this woman needs to be taken down a peg" The reverse would never happen.
I agree. The phrasing and implicit meaning behind it are gross as fuck. However, she DID want to be treated like a man. Then she wanted to not be treated like a woman, a man, or like you knew her.
Rabbit Lord
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As a kids in the mid-late 80's I was a huge Hogan fan, around 90-91 I stopped watching wrasslin. A few weeks after BATB '96 I was at friends house and he turned on Nitro and I remember watching as Hogan came out in the black and white and strutted to the ring like a boss and cut some ego-driven promo... and I was back in. In my opinion, Hogan as Hollywood Hogan is one of the best gimmicks ever. It only got better when he adopted Voodoo Child as a theme. Of course it all went to shit at some point.
PHOENIXZERO
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Truly the greatest moment in the history of our sport was this one:
I know I've never forgotten it.
Devolution
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WCW should have capitalized more on Hall's humor and had him commentating instead of well most of the regulars.
I think that was the back-up plan because, if i remember it right, Hogan was initially against the idea.
Put a coked out drunk guy on commentary for two or three hours?
Sounds like a grand idea, book it.
They had Juvi for a bit and he could barely speak English.
Yep and that was glorious too.
It's just the right amount of trainwreck WCW like only WCW could do. I wish WCW was still around just for that.
BouncyFrag
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Netflix has some great stuff covering this. I miss the great commentators of old such as Bobby the Brain.
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Man do I remember this. Staying up late on a Friday or Saturday night, tuning into RTL (German satellite channel that we UKers could get on the old BSkyB). German commentary over the top didn't detract in any way - you could still hear the promos and original commentary.
I was properly shocked (you could say legit shook) when Scott Hall first turned up (no internet, no rumours, no nothing), but when he said he had a big surprise for Sting, I somehow knew it was Nash. I think JR made an announcement on Raw about Hall and Nash no longer being employed by the WWF (before JR went batshit crazy with his imitation goons).
Watching Hogan come down the ramp was... interesting. The leg drop almost wasn't a surprise to me (not sure why) - but the whole outcry was just incredible.
It was a great angle for so long, but should really have ended at Starrcade. Somehow I imagined that it would have been better for WCW to face the NWO at Fallbrawl, to earn the right to get Sting's title shot (Hogan could've said he's not going to face a non-active member of the roster or something like that).
I still don't think having Bret Hart come into the mix the way he did was a good idea. They should've just moved on with new talents and storylines. Mind you, then they might not have hired Russo...
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Man do I remember this. Staying up late on a Friday or Saturday night, tuning into RTL (German satellite channel that we UKers could get on the old BSkyB). German commentary over the top didn't detract in any way - you could still hear the promos and original commentary.
I was properly shocked (you could say legit shook) when Scott Hall first turned up (no internet, no rumours, no nothing), but when he said he had a big surprise for Sting, I somehow knew it was Nash. I think JR made an announcement on Raw about Hall and Nash no longer being employed by the WWF (before JR went batshit crazy with his imitation goons).
Watching Hogan come down the ramp was... interesting. The leg drop almost wasn't a surprise to me (not sure why) - but the whole outcry was just incredible.
It was a great angle for so long, but should really have ended at Starrcade. Somehow I imagined that it would have been better for WCW to face the NWO at Fallbrawl, to earn the right to get Sting's title shot (Hogan could've said he's not going to face a non-active member of the roster or something like that).
I still don't think having Bret Hart come into the mix the way he did was a good idea. They should've just moved on with new talents and storylines. Mind you, then they might not have hired Russo...
Smooth Operator
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Pretty well, he's in Mexico working as a promotor for AAA. Which is spinning of into a new promotion in the US with a TV deal on El Rey Network, called Lucha Underground which is premiering this month.
This isn't really remembered as offensive, mostly as incredibly stupid and one of the many bullet points when citing WCW's downfall. You have to put it in context. This was in early 1999, and the WWF had actually been winning the ratings war for a few months. The major angle in WCW was NWO Wolfpac (good guys) vs. NWO Hollywood (bad guys). Nash was the leader of the Wolfpac, and Hogan was the leader of Hollywood. Instead of putting Nash vs. Hogan, easily the biggest match you could have done at the time in WCW, on PPV, they gave it away for free on TV. Not only that, they did what no one wanted: merging the two groups and once again showcasing the NWO as an unstoppable powerhouse, the same thing they had been doing for nearly three years now.
Meanwhile on WWF, Foley was set to win the title that same night. Tony Schivone actually gave away the results and announced that Foley would win the championship before it happened. This caused hundreds of thousands to flip to Raw and watch Foley win the title, giving Raw its highest rating ever at the time.
So line up those two major events: the Fingerpoke of Doom, a non-match that completely throws away the biggest main event a company could have and ruins a year long storyline vs. Foley, someone who had basically killed himself for years in both WCW and WWF and was the biggest underdog the WWF had, wins the championship against WWF's biggest heel faction. WHICH ONE IS MORE APPEALING?
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Konnan is a horrible person.
So is Hulk Hogan and you're in a thread about how great he is at pretending to be a great person pretending to be a bad person.
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Deleted member 47027
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But Konnan is bad all around
Is this where we post a picture of Hogan rubbing down his daughter?
stn
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WCW became a joke after all of the following:
1. Finger poke between Hogan and Nash
2. David Arquette being champion
3. Not pushing any new talent besides the older guys
Really, the main problem was not giving new talent a chance. Only Goldberg was given a chance beyond the usual Sting/Hogan/Giant, most other guys were shuffled into the B-tier matches.
1. Finger poke between Hogan and Nash
2. David Arquette being champion
3. Not pushing any new talent besides the older guys
Really, the main problem was not giving new talent a chance. Only Goldberg was given a chance beyond the usual Sting/Hogan/Giant, most other guys were shuffled into the B-tier matches.
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TarpitCarnivore
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ECW was fantastic and far ahead of Attitude, but it also didn't have the TV presence that WWE and WCW had. I think it was on at 1 or 2am in my area which was just insane.
I think we should make a list of bad things the both of them have done and assign a 5-star ranking to each point and add up the results to come to an objective conclusion on who's worse, Hulk Hogan or Konnan.
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