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Homeland - Season 4 - Sundays on Showtime
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I hope that's not the last we see of the ambassador's husband. I need to see that dude get more of a comeuppance than him being driven off in a SUV in shame. Show me his life being awful even it's just for a second. It's a testament to the improvements in this show that a non-suicide has me so fired up.
JumpJeff84
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Watched the first three episodes of the series (Season 1) yesterday. Seems pretty interesting so far.
RatskyWatsky
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bob_arctor
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She's an amazing bad guy. The Anti-Carrie. Cool and calculating and evil. And so goddamn hot.
StopMakingSense
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Everything except opening the door. That seemed a little unbelievable for him.
Until they sacrifice all the character development in favor of him servicing the plot, unfortunately.
Really wish they had handled that differently- maybe have him stash it somewhere and have him try to use it to bargain out of desperation. (Us vs Them)
-Pyromaniac-
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I'm surprised people thought the Lockhart part was a bit out of character. My read on him all along was that he is nothing but a softy, that's why he puts up such a hardass front.
yeah is not completely out of character but, come on the guy have been acting though on later episodes. I can only analyse what happen as he is only though when on a purely political field, on the field he cracks
And yeah ISI gal is the anti-Carrie
Crimson Clown
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I like where everything settled by the episode's end but I thought they really botched the siege.
It felt like it was over before it started.
That's probably my biggest sticking point on what has otherwise been a very strong season.
It felt like it was over before it started.
Fara's death was terrible and a real waste of character who I feel like had a lot left to give and was under utilised. Quinn could have (and should have, given what we know he's capable of) reacted far quicker to diffuse the situation. But the writers needed there to be some emotional fallout from the brief siege and instead of creating a situation where it should have happened naturally, this felt artificial.
That's probably my biggest sticking point on what has otherwise been a very strong season.
I thought his scenario was rather odd. The establishment would never allow his betrayal to be public knowledge. It would be one of those things you never hear about because of the sheer embarrassment and harm it would cause. Brushed under the carpet and house arrest for life or something.
I'm curious if Saul or Carrie would've been able to watch Fara get beheaded......
I wouldn't.
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This season has been really great and the latest episode was amazing.
Ingueferroque
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Episode made me like Lockhart more, they humanized him a bit more this season.
I thought I was the only one. lol
a secret-boss
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I don't see Quinn getting the case Bauer style.
looks impossible
looks impossible
What is quinn saying in the end?
I knew it was probably casting related. She's also set to star in Ben Hur
aorange999
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Enjoy the first season, suffer the 2nd and 3rd and enjoy the 4th. I wish there could be a fan/directors edit of the 2nd and 3rd seasons cutting every Dana Brody scene and condensing the 20 episodes into about 8 or so tight hours.
Baron Aloha
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I agree...and I think it will be the suicide bomber kid who does him in. They mentioned him again this past episode for a reason. Quinn will hesitate to kill him because of his killing of the innocent boy last season and the kid will take him out.
They need him gone so they bring back Brody.
MisterFalcon
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Or put some random bits of paper in that bag and eat the list of informants before leaving the vault.
Lockhart plays a hardass in conference rooms but he's no soldier. His face was pure terror most of the episode. Wasn't he a congressman before taking over the CIA director role? That said, it was unbelievable that the director of the CIA would instantly hand over all their contacts given the "we don't negotiate with terrorists" rhetoric.
Redmond was ok IMO, he brought calm, rationale thinking to the show (which it lacks). Writers must have thought he wasn't batshit crazy enough to be a cast member, lol.
Redmond was ok IMO, he brought calm, rationale thinking to the show (which it lacks). Writers must have thought he wasn't batshit crazy enough to be a cast member, lol.
This is what I was thinking, surely they would have a decoy for the worst-case scenario (especially considering the fact that they have no backup)? I honestly thought "if this was a Kojima game, the list would be fake" haha.
Anyway, this season has really been great. I was still just lurking here when I watched seasons 1 and 2 last year, and had lost so much interest by the end of s3 that I wasn't even going to bother with this season. Seems like a lot of people felt the same way, because this thread is significantly smaller than those for s1 and 2 as I recall
That said, it's great to see the show back on track; I'm so glad to have taken a chance on it. The ISI lady is a wonderful love-to-hate villain and Quinn is just amazing. Feels good to finally be able to join the discussion!
I swear if quinn dies that will be a mistake on the writers part. Such a great character.
Also i just dont understand why Haqqiani felt the need to kill Fara. To me, it would have made more sense to kill Lockhart, an american and director of the CIA for that matter. Yet he kills a woman of his own ethinicity. Just hated how that transpired.
Then again i really liked Fara, and really hurt that she was killed.
Also i just dont understand why Haqqiani felt the need to kill Fara. To me, it would have made more sense to kill Lockhart, an american and director of the CIA for that matter. Yet he kills a woman of his own ethinicity. Just hated how that transpired.
Then again i really liked Fara, and really hurt that she was killed.
I also would like to know this. It sounds like he's saying "Do you want to save a life, into this?"
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Immortal Technique
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Is an AK47 the right gun to have when firing into a room where terrorists are intermingled with hostages?
They didn't know how it would turn out at that point though, right? Better safe than sorry imho. But might seem like a "stupid" thing to show to the viewer, them picking up weapons and then just dropping them shortly after if they figure it'll be better/easier using their pistols.
I think he didn't appreciate her job considering her religion.
Immortal Technique
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Yeah, sadly, she was dead as soon as she confirmed she was Muslim.
Morrigan Stark
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I lol'ed when he actually accused her of "killing Muslims" (or working for a group that does). What a shitbag hypocrite.
eh, this isn't the newsroom. torture, drones, etc. have always been pretty central to the show's conceit even if not quite to the same extent as 24 (for torture at least)
I have been thinking and I don't think I get what makes this fourth season good.
The first season was a good thriller, especially with the amount of attention that went to both the bad and the good side of the conflict. It made you feel for the bad guy, it was a bit more small scale. It would have made a great one-shot series. The cat & mouse game is gone in season 4, the thrill is gone. The bad guy is just terroristic bad guy #1646. We're just rooting for characters we like winning, no matter what.
The first season was a good thriller, especially with the amount of attention that went to both the bad and the good side of the conflict. It made you feel for the bad guy, it was a bit more small scale. It would have made a great one-shot series. The cat & mouse game is gone in season 4, the thrill is gone. The bad guy is just terroristic bad guy #1646. We're just rooting for characters we like winning, no matter what.
Despite the balls out 24ness, there was some good stuff. The scene with the ambassador and her husband was great because it reinforced how much of a turd the husband is. I also liked how this season changed Lockhart from an asshole, to an asshole with a heart. But it was all for nothing, unfortunately. Rip Fara.
Her character was a little too naive, but I'll still miss her
Her character was a little too naive, but I'll still miss her
AngmarsKing701
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I agree that this just feels like a season of 24. I like it, but not as much as I liked s1. S1 had that intrigue, that question of whether Brody had been turned or not, and that question of whether Carrie was certain he'd been turned or was she just crazy.
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