Horizon Zero Dawn SPOILERS Thread

-How does Aloy know how to perfectly interact with the old tech right away? I really hate how nonchalant the game is about it. She just waves her arms and hands around and perfectly does it.
Much of what you wrote in this post was already addressed. A lot of the confusion stems from you not having finished the game or not having come across info that explains all of that, I think?

On Aloy's familiarity with tech, specifically: She grew up with a focus, the same way children these days grow up with IPads, smartphones and laptops. We see her initially struggle to find out what it does as a kid, we see her constantly tampering with it and playing with it. It isn't outlandish to imagine a 19 year old Aloy being intimately familiar with old technology when she's had attached to her a body a device that essentially acts as an encyclopedia, dictionary and wikipedia of the old world. Yeah, she appears comfortable waving "her arms and hands around" and interacting with technology. She's been doing it almost her entire life.

Nevermind that she is the clone of Elizabet Sobek, a genius who was tinkering with and showing interest in tech at an age younger than Aloy is when she discovers her focus. That should speak for itself.
 
Me too.

Horizon 2´s grand finale will be at Cape Canaveral.

Honestly hope they save something like that for Horizon 3. Let 2 be a smaller scale story where Aloy makes new friends in a new location and learns enough to take on a fully realized advanced threat in Horizon 3.

Slightly off topic
Also i personally really want an Aloy vs Pirates game for Horizon 2
 
I really would be happy if Horizon 2 was a different character on an unfamiliar world, with the final reveal being that this new character (hell, make it another Sobeck clone) is on a ship headed for Earth. She turns to the camera and says, "Hades has failed." lol
 
1. Nora came from a cradle located in all mother mountain. there is an entire quest about this you couldn't have missed. It's assumed other groups also came form there, separating into different tribes over time.

2. Aloy was born in all mother mountain. Again, this was something the quest went into.

3. It's his robots out of control, so i assume so? Though, I don't think anyone knew just how bad things were until the end.

4. That the worlds savor rests in obscurity to all but two people is indeed tragic. By all rights, she should be the most revered woman in history.

5. Gaia seems to think of her as a mother figure. The nora seemingly worship her as the all mother as well, judging by their religion and the child's drawing on the wall of the cradle facility.

6. Hades was an undo button if the terraforming went bad. He would take control, reverse it, then hand back control. His coming online was not intended.

7. The colony ship was the only other major plan, and it failed. To our knowledge, no other plans were put into effect.

8. Carson City, Nevada.
fantastic!!! Tks a million man...I finished all the side quest before hitting the main storyline, must have just forgotten but I meant more specifically, how was Aloy and the Nora born? Like the machines? I know they gave DNA and genetic code to Gaia, but how did she start life again exactly? In a incubator or something?
 
I know they gave DNA and genetic code to Gaia, but how did she start life again exactly? In a incubator or something?

Artificial wombs, yup. Most of humanity (as in, the first new human generation) was created and released into the newly terraformed world some 700 years before the start of the game, Aloy was created 20 years ago, shortly before GAIA self-destructing to prevent HADES from taking control over her terraforming systems.

Let 2 be a smaller scale story where Aloy makes new friends in a new location and learns enough to take on a fully realized advanced threat in Horizon 3.

Horizon series will probably be a 3 act story. In the second act, things generally get much worse and the protagonist has to learn more about themselves, grow and learn new skills so they can finally face the antagonist in the third act. Horizon 2 will be The Empire Strikes Back. It will be dark, it will be gritty and it will end in hurt and sadness.

Expect Aloy to find a Mentor - maybe an Elisabet AI - and learn more about how the machines work, maybe even how to create her own machines. She'll lose the mentor by the end of the game. She'll lose more, possibly her whole tribe.
 
fantastic!!! Tks a million man...I finished all the side quest before hitting the main storyline, must have just forgotten but I meant more specifically, how was Aloy and the Nora born? Like the machines? I know they gave DNA and genetic code to Gaia, but how did she start life again exactly? In a incubator or something?
Did you finish the game? One of the bunkers in the main quest has you going to the birthplace of Aloy and the first Nora generation. They show the artificial wombs used to incubate them.
 
I'm open to being corrected and/or informed, but there are quite a few things that I am bothered by. I read every text log and listened to every audio log I came across. It's not that I don't think it's a cool story, but I think there are too many glaring issues that just kind of ruin it for me personally. I'm sure some of my interpretations are subjective, but here are some things:

-Why do so many of the new animal machines have such crazy defense mechanisms if they are there simply to cultivate life and build the new earth's systems? Do they really need lasers, guns, crazy melee abilities, etc?

-How the heck did Zero Dawn's new animal machines even stay in existence without resistance of the "bad" machines? If the "bad" machines were gone when the new ones came around, I don't understand how they were gone in the first place. The tech in this world seems to be powered indefinitely, if not for a very very long time. Some of the tech from before the crisis is still powered on and working, so it doesn't really add up to me.

-There are so many huge carved out under ground systems just for the old world and Zero Dawn. Where did they displace so much dirt and stone and how could they possibly do that during the dangerous context of the world crisis? Seems outlandish.

-How does Aloy know how to perfectly interact with the old tech right away? I really hate how nonchalant the game is about it. She just waves her arms and hands around and perfectly does it.

-The entire concept of them coding an entire AI that is capable of not only simulating the earth and all of its systems, but capable of simulating emotion and empathy. The task alone of doing such a thing, including storing all relevant data in order to do this, seems completely ridiculous. They did this incredibly advanced thing in a short time, but somehow couldn't crack the code/glitch/hack that the machines were using on the surface.

-The idea that the machines were programmed to use biomass as an emergency energy source is a convenient plot point to set up sci-fi Armageddon. Look at how all of the "old world" technology can just sit there dormant for so long with lights and monitors and computers working properly. They don't need biomass, they just keep running. Seems they have perfected energy sources to keep things running for a very long time, without the need for some crazy dolphin slaughtering biomass meal (from a text log) to keep running LOL. Also, the machines can create other machines on a "as needed" basis, so the idea that they even needed an alternate energy source is just goofy.

-I really hated how there are these secret ruins, but the game throws human enemies at you that somehow just drop from ceiling vents in rooms behind locked doors that you have to solve to open. I rolled my eyes so hard.

-Apparently you take down the "focus network", but can still communicate with Sylens after doing so. LOL okay. If you want to argue that it was just for the villian humans, the game should have told me so. And if that is the case, how did they create a private network when they don't have much understanding of the old tech. Hades just magically assists the bad humans it seems.

-I found the Nora tribe to be incredibly stupid. Felt like a set up to make you compare them to ancient tribes, but just because ancient tribes believed in various gods that controlled nature, doesn't mean they would react to a giant metallic door that says the same thing over and over. Aloy even walks through it and the people could clearly see into it and it was just a bunch of rooms with ancient tech. You could argue that their reactions are plausible, but it's just not fleshed out in a convincing way to me. Especially considering the matriarchs are only allowed inside one of the ancient ruins in the mountain. The fact that the "old mother" was the one that delivered Aloy in the mountain next to the door, but the tribe rejected her is just so strange.


There's more I could say and more I could nit pick, but it's probably not worth it. I haven't finished the game (near the last mission), so maybe some of this stuff is explained, although I really doubt it. I just feel like the story has too many questions up to this point and it's starting to hurt my enjoyment. It didn't help that I called the plot set up after the first 2 hours of the game, so by the time I got there I just chuckled. It's a story that is fairly well told, or at least written, from a human character point of view. Just not sure it works as a whole.


Damn near all of that addressed in game and very well at that. How about finish it first......
 
Did you finish the game? One of the bunkers in the main quest has you going to the birthplace of Aloy and the first Nora generation. They show the artificial wombs used to incubate them.
Yeah, I remember now, just wanted to clarify if that's how all the humans were made after our civilization died off. I thought Aloy was like 700 years old at first, and just dormant somewhere lol.
 
Artificial wombs, yup. Most of humanity (as in, the first new human generation) was created and released into the newly terraformed world some 700 years before the start of the game, Aloy was created 20 years ago, shortly before GAIA self-destructing to prevent HADES from taking control over her terraforming systems.



Horizon series will probably be a 3 act story. In the second act, things generally get much worse and the protagonist has to learn more about themselves, grow and learn new skills so they can finally face the antagonist in the third act. Horizon 2 will be The Empire Strikes Back. It will be dark, it will be gritty and it will end in hurt and sadness.

Expect Aloy to find a Mentor - maybe an Elisabet AI - and learn more about how the machines work, maybe even how to create her own machines. She'll lose the mentor by the end of the game. She'll lose more, possibly her whole tribe.
Yeah, I can see her coming to love the Nora tribe after all this.
 
I think it's pretty obvious what the Glitch is; the Glitch is in fact Vast Silver, infuriated that Ted Faro deleted the entirety of the Tormented series with Apollo.

(Some of these world datapoints are funny, or interesting, I just wish they weren't all so hidden that you have to be walking right on top of them to see them half the time).
 
Horizon series will probably be a 3 act story. In the second act, things generally get much worse and the protagonist has to learn more about themselves, grow and learn new skills so they can finally face the antagonist in the third act. Horizon 2 will be The Empire Strikes Back. It will be dark, it will be gritty and it will end in hurt and sadness.

Expect Aloy to find a Mentor - maybe an Elisabet AI - and learn more about how the machines work, maybe even how to create her own machines. She'll lose the mentor by the end of the game. She'll lose more, possibly her whole tribe.
I'm thinking Gaia could be her mentor once she gets back online, it's not really stretch since she had such a strong relationship with Elisabeth.
 
GG need to work Ted into the sequel somehow. Way more invested in him as an antagonist than Helis, Hades or Hephaestus.

Ted's already stretching disbelief as it is for what he's done; him somehow surviving into the future, whether via mental upload or cryogenics would feel a little stupid and change the underlying message from 'hubris of humanity and corporate greed' to 'everything is Ted's fault'.

I'll be down for a combat dlc where the 'human' enemies are just servitors with Ted holographic faces, though. Along with the rocket launcher Oseram weapon.
 
Ted's already stretching disbelief as it is for what he's done; him somehow surviving into the future, whether via mental upload or cryogenics would feel a little stupid and change the underlying message from 'hubris of humanity and corporate greed' to 'everything is Ted's fault'.

I'll be down for a combat dlc where the 'human' enemies are just servitors with Ted holographic faces, though. Along with the rocket launcher Oseram weapon.

Well its actually possible Ted could have survived to some extent. If he actually went through with the Light House Keeper program there could be a long line of Ted's!
 
Well its actually possible Ted could have survived to some extent. If he actually went through with the Light House Keeper program there could be a long line of Ted's!

Oh, it's possible. I just think it would be a little eye-rolling. Also judging by Aloy, those wouldn't really be Ted. But unfortunately they'd be raised by Ted, which is almost as bad.
 
I'm thinking Gaia could be her mentor once she gets back online, it's not really stretch since she had such a strong relationship with Elisabeth.

Oh, completely agree with you. Hadn't thought about it, but GAIA would make even more sense - it's something that already exists within the story and provides a link to the closest things Aloy has for a mother, her genetic template and the AI who decided to bring her to life.
 
I'm actually tired of people coming into this thread saying something isn't explained or this and that doesn't make sense when they haven't even finished the game.
 
Oh, it's possible. I just think it would be a little eye-rolling. Also judging by Aloy, those wouldn't really be Ted. But unfortunately they'd be raised by Ted, which is almost as bad.

The next apocalypse is self replicating Ted clones.
 
I'm actually tired of people coming into this thread saying something isn't explained or this and that doesn't make sense when they haven't even finished the game.
Even worse when we give explanations to the person but said person chooses to abandon thread and never be seen again
 
I do have a question tho. The "corruption" that we see, is that The Swarm from the Apocalypse? Or its something from Hades?
 
I do have a question tho. The "corruption" that we see, is that The Swarm from the Apocalypse? Or its something from Hades?
Hades is the corruption. Hades itself is actually corrupted and how that happened is a mystery. Maybe the plagueswarm developed a contingency plan to complete its mission when enough biomass was in place and that's when it struck back at GAIA and woke itself up. Lots of possibilities.

The true swarm are the dead Horus machines on mountains and the robots that came up from under the ground.
 
Guerrilla really killed it with this game. The story was as thrilling as Silent Hill 2 to me and I was emotional at the ending.
 
Two scenes that stikes me as odd and made me smile:

Helis kicked Aloy face to left her unconscious. Not a single scratch at the next scene. I understand (or believe) why they did this but still kinda odd.

Sun Ring, fight against the corrupted Behemot, Aloy forces the machine to bring down that tower thing where her things were stored... she come back fully dressed throught the dust ready to kick ass. Didn't matter tho, most amazing action mission of all.
 
Hades is the corruption. Hades itself is actually corrupted and how that happened is a mystery. Maybe the plagueswarm developed a contingency plan to complete its mission when enough biomass was in place and that's when it struck back at GAIA and woke itself up. Lots of possibilities.

The true swarm are the dead Horus machines on mountains and the robots that came up from under the ground.

I don't think HADES itself is corrupted. The mysterious signal didn't just free the sub-modules from GAIA's control, it actually awakened them as fully realized artificial intelligences. Where GAIA was previously the only sentient program, now all 12 programs are.

That said, it appears that the programs are still driven by their primary functions. That's why HADES is so aggressive and trying to wipe out life again. It's fulfilling its function. It is able to control the ancient Faro plague units because the very first thing the Zero Dawn programs did was crack the encryption of the Faro plague.
 
I don't think HADES itself is corrupted. The mysterious signal didn't just free the sub-modules from GAIA's control, it actually awakened them as fully realized artificial intelligences. Where GAIA was previously the only sentient program, now all 12 programs are.

That said, it appears that the programs are still driven by their primary functions. That's why HADES is so aggressive and trying to wipe out life again. It's fulfilling its function. It is able to control the ancient Faro plague units because the very first thing the Zero Dawn programs did was crack the encryption of the Faro plague.
Fair enough. We don't actually know the motivations of the entity that sent the signal. However, I'm speculating that whatever sent the signal either had some knowledge of what would happen or was even more directly involved with what the agents were planning once awakened. Even though it's now independent Hades becomes a subordinate agent to someone or something else.

Maybe it's, "Reapers."
 
I don't think HADES itself is corrupted. The mysterious signal didn't just free the sub-modules from GAIA's control, it actually awakened them as fully realized artificial intelligences. Where GAIA was previously the only sentient program, now all 12 programs are.

That said, it appears that the programs are still driven by their primary functions. That's why HADES is so aggressive and trying to wipe out life again. It's fulfilling its function. It is able to control the ancient Faro plague units because the very first thing the Zero Dawn programs did was crack the encryption of the Faro plague.
They're corrupted, according to GAIA. The unknown transmission's "immediate effect was to transform my Subordinate Functions into unregulated, self aware entities of a highly chaotic nature." For HADES, that entails trying to destroy the world despite the terraforming being on track. For HEPHAESTUS, it was creating robots designed to kill humans. It's not just that they became self aware; by itself this might not have even been a problem. It's that they were made rampant, to steal a Halo term, by the signal.
 
They're corrupted, according to GAIA. The unknown transmission's "immediate effect was to transform my Subordinate Functions into unregulated, self aware entities of a highly chaotic nature." For HADES, that entails trying to destroy the world despite the terraforming being on track. For HEPHAESTUS, it was creating robots designed to kill humans. It's not just that they became self aware; by itself this might not have even been a problem. It's that they were made rampant, to steal a Halo term, by the signal.
The highly chaotic part just meant they were doing their own thing and she guesses that things would become unstable without her. Hephaestus started making killing machines because it saw humans as a threat, and to it they would be. The were killing an enslaving machines from its point of view. Similarly Hades programming was to revert terraforming to zero. It was trying to raise the swarm to do that, because it no longer had Gaia's tools. Both were following their original protocols. They just didn't have Gaia to oversee everything.
 
They're corrupted, according to GAIA. The unknown transmission's "immediate effect was to transform my Subordinate Functions into unregulated, self aware entities of a highly chaotic nature." For HADES, that entails trying to destroy the world despite the terraforming being on track. For HEPHAESTUS, it was creating robots designed to kill humans. It's not just that they became self aware; by itself this might not have even been a problem. It's that they were made rampant, to steal a Halo term, by the signal.

I don't necessarily think any of that indicates corruption, though. The only two Subordinate Functions we know anything about at this point are HADES and HEPHAESTUS. HADES became self-aware and immediately tried to wrest control from GAIA to fulfill its function, as it was designed to do. HEPHAESTUS designs the robots used to terraform the Earth and began to arm the robots when it detected humans were/could be a threat to the robots. Another Subordinate Function trying to make sure its function succeeds.

This is all just my interpretation, of course. I think it amplifies the horror of the events surrounding Zero Dawn that suddenly, the Subordinates that were previously thoughtless are suddenly forced into self-awareness and react strongly to do the only things they were designed to do. It's almost like a panic reaction. I think it's telling that the Zero Dawn logs emphasize that the Subordinate Functions were all designed to do one thing exceptionally well. Once granted self-awareness, it's like the Subordinates become incredibly dangerous savants.
 
Is there an easy way to view the cutscene where GAIA explains what went wrong? It happens very quickly and it's an extremely important part of the story.

I thought the unknown signal only affected HADES initially? Then HADES did something to break off all the other subroutines? I dunno, the further I get from having watched that scene the less confident I am in what happened.
 
Y'all been discussing the possibility that the holonet described in the world data points may still exist in some format somewhere? Imagine going to those virtual places as it seems a lot occurred online during the lead up to extinction (more than even now in modern society).

I mean, we saw bits and pieces of it with the holographic things we saw. If they ever did a prequel (which I really think they could do an FPS prequel game set in this universe) we could see some of that cool stuff.

Is there an easy way to view the cutscene where GAIA explains what went wrong? It happens very quickly and it's an extremely important part of the story.

I thought the unknown signal only affected HADES initially? Then HADES did something to break off all the other subroutines? I dunno, the further I get from having watched that scene the less confident I am in what happened.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G-kkMFU1qM
 
Is there an easy way to view the cutscene where GAIA explains what went wrong? It happens very quickly and it's an extremely important part of the story.

I thought the unknown signal only affected HADES initially? Then HADES did something to break off all the other subroutines? I dunno, the further I get from having watched that scene the less confident I am in what happened.
I rewatched it on youtube. I think hades released them. Gaia kept the signal isolated to hades originally, but he passed it on as she blew up prime. At least thats what i think happened.
 
Is there an easy way to view the cutscene where GAIA explains what went wrong? It happens very quickly and it's an extremely important part of the story.

I thought the unknown signal only affected HADES initially? Then HADES did something to break off all the other subroutines? I dunno, the further I get from having watched that scene the less confident I am in what happened.

The signal released all of the subroutines.
The only other one (besides Hades) that's touched on is Hephaestus. That one is creating weaponized machines because, after the derangement, it saw humans as a threat.
Actually, Monegames is right. Hades used a virus that unleashed all the rest of the subroutines when GAIA tried to stop it.
 
It wasn't just HADES, it was all 12. GAIA says of the signal that its "immediate effect was to transform my Subordinate Functions into unregulated, self aware entities of a highly chaotic nature." The signal impacted all of the Subordinate Functions, but only HADES (as far as we know at this point) was designed with the technical abilities to wrest control from GAIA. That's why HADES was the one to immediately attack GAIA. Upon waking up, its whole directive was predicated upon getting GAIA out of the way.
 
Also, we know for sure it wasn't Sylens who sent the signal to free HADES and mess everything up. But do we know for sure that Sylens isn't at least responsible for HADES ending up in the shell of a Faro robot? He demonstrated in the after credits scene that he's capable of pull HADES into different forms (which is something he possibly learned from HADES, which pokes a pretty sizable hole in this theory) and we never get any sort of other explanation as to how HADES ended up in a Horus.
 
The highly chaotic part just meant they were doing their own thing and she guesses that things would become unstable without her. Hephaestus started making killing machines because it saw humans as a threat, and to it they would be. The were killing an enslaving machines from its point of view. Similarly Hades programming was to revert terraforming to zero. It was trying to raise the swarm to do that, because it no longer had Gaia's tools. Both were following their original protocols. They just didn't have Gaia to oversee everything.
The cutscene that GAIA explains this, literally right after she utters the words "chaotic nature", we see corruption tendrils spreading over HADES and soon the other now awakened AI. It doesn't appear to leave much question whether the subroutines were corrupted or not. And HADES was designed to eradicate life and reset the planet, yes, but only in the event GAIA fucked up first. He wasn't following his original design.
 
Also, we know for sure it wasn't Sylens who sent the signal to free HADES and mess everything up. But do we know for sure that Sylens isn't at least responsible for HADES ending up in the shell of a Faro robot? He demonstrated in the after credits scene that he's capable of pull HADES into different forms (which is something he possibly learned from HADES, which pokes a pretty sizable hole in this theory) and we never get any sort of other explanation as to how HADES ended up in a Horus.

No, Hades was already freed and had escaped into a Horus robot when Sylens found him.
It certainly appears he's going to put Hades back into another Horus though.
 
It wasn't just HADES, it was all 12. GAIA says of the signal that its "immediate effect was to transform my Subordinate Functions into unregulated, self aware entities of a highly chaotic nature." The signal impacted all of the Subordinate Functions, but only HADES (as far as we know at this point) was designed with the technical abilities to wrest control from GAIA. That's why HADES was the one to immediately attack GAIA. Upon waking up, its whole directive was predicated upon getting GAIA out of the way.
Right. HADES created a virus that unshackled him and the other subs. What this entails is a little unclear. I'd guess that even as awakened AI they were still under the control or some form of restraint by GAIA until being set free?

I wish there was some form of lore repository for HZD. Something akin to what Bungie's done with their games, at least Destiny.
 
The cutscene that GAIA explains this, literally right after she utters the words "chaotic nature", we see corruption tendrils spreading over HADES and soon the other now awakened AI. It doesn't appear to leave much question whether the subroutines were corrupted or not. And HADES was designed to eradicate life and reset the planet, yes, but only in the event GAIA fucked up first. He wasn't following his original design.

The corruption we see throughout the game is HADES though. It serves as a visual cue of HADES having the means to break the Faro swarm encryption and assume control of the units. Arguably, those tendrils of corruption are just the visual signature of HADES itself.

The very first thing that HADES is supposed to do upon waking up, before "reversing" the terraforming, is to remove GAIA from control and then undo whatever progress had been made. That's exactly what it did. Remember, it's not HADES that determines if HADES is needed, it's supposed to be GAIA. If HADES wakes up, it's going to immediately go about fulfilling its function. A newly self-aware HADES, probably more than a little freaked out by consciousness, is likely going to do so with EXTREME prejudice.

Edit: sorry, just saw your response, so I thought I'd expand a little more here and avoid the double post haha. The quote you sent earlier says that it was the signal itself that freed the Subordinate Functions, made them self-aware and unregulated. They all became aware simultaneously, it's just that HADES had the most visible response because waking up means removing GAIA from control.
 
Artificial wombs, yup. Most of humanity (as in, the first new human generation) was created and released into the newly terraformed world some 700 years before the start of the game, Aloy was created 20 years ago, shortly before GAIA self-destructing to prevent HADES from taking control over her terraforming systems.



Horizon series will probably be a 3 act story. In the second act, things generally get much worse and the protagonist has to learn more about themselves, grow and learn new skills so they can finally face the antagonist in the third act. Horizon 2 will be The Empire Strikes Back. It will be dark, it will be gritty and it will end in hurt and sadness.

Expect Aloy to find a Mentor - maybe an Elisabet AI - and learn more about how the machines work, maybe even how to create her own machines. She'll lose the mentor by the end of the game. She'll lose more, possibly her whole tribe.

I hope not. There are a lot of different ways to expand a story. Especially one like Horizon which is largely self contained. The ESB darker sequel model gets touted too much, however there are lots of great sequels that buck that trend.

Terminator 2: Follows on from the dark first film with a larger scale action adventure with a hopeful ending.

Rocky 2: Rocky finally beats Apollo in the rematch.

Watchdogs 2: breaks free of the darkness of the first game and actually has some fun.

Die Hard 2: its Diehard but on a bigger scale with better set pieces.

Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest.

This trend can even date back to ancient times with the Illiad expanding on Oddesyus' journey home rather then just being Troy 2: except darker.

There are also plenty of badly done darker sequels in the video game medium

Prince of Persia: Warrior Within being the obvious poster child for this.

Controversial Choice
KotOR2: Sith Lords
 
The corruption we see throughout the game is HADES though. It serves as a visual cue of HADES having the means to break the Faro swarm encryption and assume control of the units. Arguably, those tendrils of corruption are just the visual signature of HADES itself.

The very first thing that HADES is supposed to do upon waking up, before "reversing" the terraforming, is to remove GAIA from control and then undo whatever progress had been made. That's exactly what it did. Remember, it's not HADES that determines if HADES is needed, it's supposed to be GAIA. If HADES wakes up, it's going to immediately go about fulfilling its function. A newly self-aware HADES, probably more than a little freaked out by consciousness, is likely going to do so with EXTREME prejudice.

Edit: sorry, just saw your response, so I thought I'd expand a little more here and avoid the double post haha. The quote you sent earlier says that it was the signal itself that freed the Subordinate Functions, made them self-aware and unregulated. They all became aware simultaneously, it's just that HADES had the most visible response because waking up means removing GAIA from control.
Yeah I worded that poorly and didn't bother editing because new page and such.

I'm not sure I agree with your take on HADES. Presumably, HADES has the ability to control Faro units due to his confinement inside the Horus, not from any innate ability programmed into him. That wasn't his role. MINERVA is the only subroutine tasked with interacting with the plague and I don't recall anything in the game referring to MINERVA having the ability to control FAS bots, just deactivate them. There would be no need for MINERVA if another subroutine could do that as well.
 
Ok, I just re-watched the scene and I have a much better grasp on it now. So, my understanding is that the chain of events went like this:

-An unknown signal hits GAIA and turns her subroutines into individual AIs, giving them a will of their own and making them unstable

-For most of the subroutines, this is bad, but not immediately dire, because GAIA is still in control of them. The problem is that HADES is special in that its only goals when active are to wrest control away from GAIA and destroy all life.

-This motivates GAIA to self-destruct, taking out HADES and herself, and to create Aloy as a means to repair and reboot GAIA, because without GAIA Prime the other AIs will be on their own, becoming increasingly chaotic.

-HADES notices the self-destruction protocol and sends out a virus to unchain itself and all the other AIs before GAIA can destroy herself and HADES

-HADES and the other AI, now free from GAIA, escape "somewhere" (presumably this is when HADES escapes to the Horus)

-The virus has a secondary effect of corrupting a whole bunch of other data including the Alpha Registry at the Cradle facility.
 
Yeah I worded that poorly and didn't bother editing because new page and such.

I'm not sure I agree with your take on HADES. Presumably, HADES has the ability to control Faro units due to his confinement inside the Horus, not from any innate ability programmed into him. That wasn't his role. MINERVA is the only subroutine tasked with interacting with the plague and I don't recall anything in the game referring to MINERVA having the ability to control FAS bots, just deactivate them. There would be no need for MINERVA if another subroutine could do that as well.

I think you're right, I think it's that HADES is inhabiting a Horus unit, that makes a lot more sense. Presumably at some point, it figured out how to override the Horus with its own processes and that allowed it to wake up the Horus it was in and broadcast a localized control signal to the other Faro bots. Plus, that makes the stinger scene with Sylens more consistent for fighting corrupted Faro bots again in the sequel because HADES has access through the Horus (again).

Edit: So here's something I just got to wondering. We know that MINERVA certainly fulfilled its task of breaking the encryption on the Faro swarm and broadcasting the deactivation signals. If HADES had succeeded for more than a few moments in broadcasting the activation signals, would MINERVA have woken up again and fought HADES for control of the Spires in shutting down the Faro swarm again? Could be an interesting wrinkle for a sequel, I suppose.
 
The cutscene that GAIA explains this, literally right after she utters the words "chaotic nature", we see corruption tendrils spreading over HADES and soon the other now awakened AI. It doesn't appear to leave much question whether the subroutines were corrupted or not. And HADES was designed to eradicate life and reset the planet, yes, but only in the event GAIA fucked up first. He wasn't following his original design.
I suppose it just depends how you define corruption. To the game, corruption simply seems to imply an AI or machine going out of normal protocol. It really doesn't mean much outside of that.

Yeah I worded that poorly and didn't bother editing because new page and such.

I'm not sure I agree with your take on HADES. Presumably, HADES has the ability to control Faro units due to his confinement inside the Horus, not from any innate ability programmed into him. That wasn't his role. MINERVA is the only subroutine tasked with interacting with the plague and I don't recall anything in the game referring to MINERVA having the ability to control FAS bots, just deactivate them. There would be no need for MINERVA if another subroutine could do that as well.
Hades actually is the ONLY subroutine that does have the ability to pull control away from Gaia---that is exactly how Travis programmed him. There is a datalog where he talks about this, and it is quite interesting. He was discussing how he was having trouble with Hades, because it was either too soft or too hard. If it was too hard, it would never give control back to Gaia after it was complete with it's task. If it was too soft, Gaia generally handed over control and pretended Hades was running things, but she was still secretly manipulating things behind-the-scenes. Travis' only solution was to put Gaia in her own protective coding shell while Hades was at work, so that she couldn't interact with Hades, and Hades couldn't screw with her while in control.

Ok, I just re-watched the scene and I have a much better grasp on it now. So, my understanding is that the chain of events went like this:

-An unknown signal hits GAIA and turns her subroutines into individual AIs, giving them a will of their own and making them unstable

-For most of the subroutines, this is bad, but not immediately dire, because GAIA is still in control of them. The problem is that HADES is special in that its only goals when active are to wrest control away from GAIA and destroy all life.

-This motivates GAIA to self-destruct, taking out HADES and herself, and to create Aloy as a means to repair and reboot GAIA, because without GAIA Prime the other AIs will be on their own, becoming increasingly chaotic.

-HADES notices the self-destruction protocol and sends out a virus to unchain itself and all the other AIs before GAIA can destroy herself and HADES

-HADES and the other AI, now free from GAIA, escape "somewhere" (presumably this is when HADES escapes to the Horus)

-The virus has a secondary effect of corrupting a whole bunch of other data including the Alpha Registry at the Cradle facility.
You're pretty close, but the initial signal that corrupts Hades also wrestles control of all the other subroutines from Gaia at the same exact time. Also, Hades direct reaction to Gaia's self-destruction was to corrupt the alpha registry, because it knew her Elizabet clone couldn't do anything to help if it couldn't access anything. Elizabet was an alpha, so with that registry corrupted the systems couldn't recognize a clone of Elizabet---Aloy. As for Hades escaping, my theory is simply that he becomes stuck wherever he is at the time of the explosion. He was inside of a Horus unit, and when Gaia self-destructed he became stuck in the machine because he lacked a network anymore to travel through.
 
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