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Hot take: Why I don't like the new God of War - now fight!
Thirty7ven
Banned
It’s all a metaphor, they are gods. Like. What don’t you get?
So this hot take is as hot as the dark side of the moon during the lunar night, is what you meant to say?
Also, this was a fun side convo lol, thanks for playing along
Represent.
Banned
Absolutely not. And lol at the old stories being better. Just no.
The only thing the old ones were better at was a sense of scale
The only thing the old ones were better at was a sense of scale
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
its a a metophor for shit dialogue and character assassination.
fran.fernandez
Member
New ones are way better .
diffusionx
Gold Member
I liked God of Reddit, but I also think the old games were very unfairly tarnished and slandered in a rush to praise this one, especially by game "journalists" and it is something that Cory Soylog actively fostered. Good to see that people are returning to the old games and seeing that yes they were actually really great games made by talented people.
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Little Mac
Member
I’ve been saying this shit for years. If they hadn’t abandoned the original’s style and ridiculousness, I would have bought a ps5 by now. Sony is turning everything into The Last of Us. Where are games like the OG God of Wars? Or Shadow of Colossus? Where’s fucking Patapon you cowards?!?!?!
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Thirty7ven
Banned
Character assassination? Seems like it all just flew by you, what else is there to say.
Represent.
Banned
The people who prefer the old GOW remind me of the people who prefer the old Broly in DragonBall over his re-invention in DB Super
Hudo
Member
I concur. Daddy of War is not God of War. It's just a mediocre melodrama with some father-son bullshit that is obviously just there for some artificial conflict potential for the writing. It is not tastefully done, gets on my nerves and gets in the way of gameplay.
But it sells and gaming blogs like IGN love it, so it's here to stay. At least the old God of War games don't go anywhere.
diffusionx
Gold Member
disagree, this is a hot take, there are different levels though.
your example is like ghost pepper take
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
And I actually agree with all these points, except that they're all undermined by what might be the worst-paced game I have ever played.
And I can't agree with the last point at all. Ragnarok spends 2 hours with Atreus riding a slow-ass yak collecting fruits while talking to his girlfriend. This shit doesn't belong in GOW. GOWR feels like Naughty Dog's take on GOW. Freya utterly disrespects Kratos while he tries to appease her for killing her dumbass son who was a pain in his ass for an entire game. He was so annoying that she straight up told him to STFU and keep killing things to which Kratos got his feelings hurt and went "Don't tell me to kill things! I have feelings too!"
GOWR does play better than GOW 2018 (because it plays almost the same with some enhancements) but the ratio of play time to cutscenes has been dramatically reduced, and the game spends more time than ever wrestling control away from the player.
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Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
2018 was a highly successful, and extremely needed reboot. The series has been plagued by lack of innovation since the original part 2. By the time Ascension came out everyone was ignoring the series. Its similar to people who forget that Resident Evil was declining in interest and popularity already on 3 and Code Veronica. Without that reboot in part 4 it wouldnt hold the same interest.
The only really controversial thing is Ragnarok potentially burning out that new formula in just 1 sequel. Some people love it, some people hate it.
The only really controversial thing is Ragnarok potentially burning out that new formula in just 1 sequel. Some people love it, some people hate it.
FeralEcho
Member
Next
Next level? The only level it went was into soap opera garbage oscar bait where nothing ever fucking happens in cutscenes except Kratos sighing every fucking 30 seconds because life is hard or Atreus having some teen drama because thats what we all come to GOW for.I'd take 1 original trilogy over 50 Dad of Bore "next level" garbage.
There is no "unleash" moment from Kratos, where he basically stops pulling his punches and let's them know what's he's all about. And I'll admit that kind of hurts the overall lasting impression for me.
Maybe they are holding out for some real shit to go down in the next game but I thought that after the first, too.
Maybe they are holding out for some real shit to go down in the next game but I thought that after the first, too.
God of War 1-3 was the exact same formula with Ascension being the only one to derive from that by having enemy weapon drops. Even the PSP games followed the exact formula blow-by-blow.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Old games had much 10x betetr boss fights, and more akin to traditional action games. Crazy action and battles.
Newer games follow the more earthy modern day HBO TV show kind of vibe.
How many action games have better boss fights than GOW 3?
Newer games follow the more earthy modern day HBO TV show kind of vibe.
How many action games have better boss fights than GOW 3?
Gamerguy84
Member
The old games were good for their time. The new wouldn't be new without the old.
They served their purpose and we've moved on. The new ones are better in every way.
They served their purpose and we've moved on. The new ones are better in every way.
DownLikeBCPowder
Member
I don't think it's a hot take at all.
Kokoloko85
Member
I loved the old ones. But I prefer the new ones. Especially the combat.
Its close though, both have great story telling, atmosphere and characters.
The bosses I prefer in the old games
Its close though, both have great story telling, atmosphere and characters.
The bosses I prefer in the old games
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I hate basically every decision they made for the new God of War, it's actually pretty incredible.
At the same time i understand them. And i'm not an absolute fan of the original trilogy but still i really liked those games.
Also i'm not saying the serie didn't need changes. It probably did.
At the same time i understand them. And i'm not an absolute fan of the original trilogy but still i really liked those games.
Also i'm not saying the serie didn't need changes. It probably did.
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VideoGameEnjoyer
Member
The formula was stale as hell by Ascension. If they had done another game in that style it wouldn't have been nearly as successful or critically acclaimed, the franchise would probably be dead, in fact.
It's easy to be nostalgic now that we have two games in the third person, narrative heavy style, but what GoW 2018 did in jumping genres was a huge accomplishment. And they made a fantastic game. I will never agree with anyone saying it shouldn't have happened.
I'm hoping the next iteration of the series keeps the narrative focus and third person camera, but ditches the single shot thing, ups the scale massively, and gives us the best of both worlds. But until that day give me 2018 and Ragnarok all day.
It's easy to be nostalgic now that we have two games in the third person, narrative heavy style, but what GoW 2018 did in jumping genres was a huge accomplishment. And they made a fantastic game. I will never agree with anyone saying it shouldn't have happened.
I'm hoping the next iteration of the series keeps the narrative focus and third person camera, but ditches the single shot thing, ups the scale massively, and gives us the best of both worlds. But until that day give me 2018 and Ragnarok all day.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Two of my favorites. Although I gotta say, let's not sell Bear McReary short, he did an amazing job with the new OST.
Salty Popsicle
Banned
Definitely not a hot take. A large portion of the fanbase feels like the new format should have been relegated for a new IP and God of War left alone in the gameplay department.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Old games have better level design with more variety.
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TaylorSwiftFan
Member
Not controversial at all - the original trilogy was way better.
Golgo 13
The Man With The Golden Dong
The original trilogy was incredible and they still hold up today. GoW 2018 struck a good balance of mature introspection and visceral combat that while inferior to GOW3 for example, still successfully took the series into the new generation. Minor pacing problems sure, but no serious flaws. It didn’t go overboard and retained the spirit of the original Trilogy for the most part.
Ragnarok was a complete failure and took the game away from the God Of War spirit into a teenage angst ridden walking simulator full of horrific pacing and uninteresting characters. You can feel the presence of a woke writing staff in how Kratos was emasculated at every turn. I had to force myself to finish it.
Ragnarok was a complete failure and took the game away from the God Of War spirit into a teenage angst ridden walking simulator full of horrific pacing and uninteresting characters. You can feel the presence of a woke writing staff in how Kratos was emasculated at every turn. I had to force myself to finish it.
Sethbacca
Member
Claiming that the old games are better in your opinion is a valid criticism, but claiming that something isn't what it is just makes the argument foolish. People like to do this gatekeeping nonsense and say Fallout isn't Fallout, and modern Star Wars isn't Star Wars, and (*insert your property of choice here*) isn't (*insert your property of choice here*). The fact is that the license holder is the only one with the ability to dictate what something is or isn't, and people can either like it or not. Besides, I'm not sure why you'd want something to stagnate in the same style forever anyway. If they were like the old games people would complain that the games feel old and dated, so no matter what they do somebody is going to bitch and the situation is unwinnable and in that case it makes sense to appeal to modern gameplay sensibilities to attract the widest market possible especially when you're doing a series reboot.
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ShadyAcshuns
Member
I fully agree. The new games are boring walking simulators. The original games were much, much better.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
This. Atreus screaming at his father "You're acting like an asshole!" was just WTF. Maybe modern western kids could do that with their parents, but the child of Greek people would never dare raise their voices at their parents, let alone insult them. Atreus acts like a 21st century zoomer which is jarring considering his father and upbringing.
Then you also had Thrud beefing with her parents like a high school teenager. I think she even told her mom that she hated her or something like. Definitely teen drama series vibes there.
GymWolf
Member
I could not give less fucks about old gow games except for the gore and angry kratos memes and the 2 new games were my goty in their respective years of release.
So i'm not 100% on this with Op to put it mildly.
I take a technical, hard fight against a valkirie over smashing the toes of kronos with qte every day of the week, and i severely side-eye whatever gameplay centric gamer who think otherwise.
At best we can say that they are not god of war games anymore and they are a new thing, i'm ok with that.
So i'm not 100% on this with Op to put it mildly.
I take a technical, hard fight against a valkirie over smashing the toes of kronos with qte every day of the week, and i severely side-eye whatever gameplay centric gamer who think otherwise.
At best we can say that they are not god of war games anymore and they are a new thing, i'm ok with that.
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LordBlodgett
Member
I like both styles, but they are massively different. The newer ones are definitely not just an upgrade, but are almost a different genre. I can find the greatness in both though
Didn't 2018 sale what the past iteration did over it's lifetime? It seems like the formula was stale and this fresh new God of War is what actually brought it into a larger audience.
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I haven't played Ragnarök, but imo 2018 was a good game but horribly overrated. I played through the game on hard and I genuinely think the gameplay is probably the worst part of the game, the fact that the camera is always stuck up Kratos's ass is an absolutely dreadful design decision and I fucking hated that. It makes the difficulty feel a lot cheaper when you can barely see shit around you. I get its for """""immersion""""" but for fucks sake just pull the camera out a little just during combat like Horizon Zero Dawn or Spider-Man does and it'd be fine.
I decided to play the classic games again after beating 2018, and I really do think they are just straight up better games, even if they are also sort of following what was popular at the time. The spectacle and level design is much more memorable, as well as the combat being well designed. Sure 2018 has a better story and I actually like the theme of maturing Kratos a little after all the savage stuff he did in 1-3, but the gameplay I'd take the classic games anyday.
I decided to play the classic games again after beating 2018, and I really do think they are just straight up better games, even if they are also sort of following what was popular at the time. The spectacle and level design is much more memorable, as well as the combat being well designed. Sure 2018 has a better story and I actually like the theme of maturing Kratos a little after all the savage stuff he did in 1-3, but the gameplay I'd take the classic games anyday.
