Have you been, like, paying no attention whatsoever to what has been happening? Basically since the GOP started their efforts on healthcare it's been nothing but outrage from both sides. GOP reps have stopped taking calls, stopped doing town halls, and done the process in the most cowardly, obscuring way because of the backlash this has produced.
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House GOP may pass Senate's "skinny repeal" outright. CALL YOUR SENATORS.
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Have you been, like, paying no attention whatsoever to what has been happening? Basically since the GOP started their efforts on healthcare it's been nothing but outrage from both sides. GOP reps have stopped taking calls, stopped doing town halls, and done the process in the most cowardly, obscuring way because of the backlash this has produced.
Autodidact
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Not necessarily. Roberts hurt the ACA but did not kill it. Even the Supreme Court considers its legacy and the opinions of the public, even if it pretends it doesn't.
Things will be *much* different if this bill passes.
Public opinion will not be where it was 8 years ago
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thepotatoman
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Maybe he really did believe his deathbed speech to restore norms in the senate. Basically don't block thing procedurally and don't vote for bills with the intent of it being fixed later.
John Rabbit
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I'm pretty certain he'll get primaried by someone even worse who will win. I'd love to be proven wrong, but it's AZ.
Arrogant Bastard
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But
Bernie
Same, I'm 35 now, shit like that doesn't happen here when you have an excessively large chunk of the voting block heavily against it. Voting block, being key there.
This vote still matters. It only gets back to the house if it passes.
Aaronrules380
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McCain is quite frankly not living much longer regardless
More than ever, people believe the government should be involved in health care.
The GOP might force accelerationism to this, but the issue is getting them out of power so this switch can go.
UberTag
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Canada's not so bad. Provided you have the right job skills to offer.
No that vote was for tabling the bill and sending it back to Senate committee
We had 2 Trump people run against McCain last year, both lost but might come back for the Flake seat.
And then Trump might handpick someone else and it's fucked.
No they meant this preliminary vote to return it to committee. The vote happening in a few minutes is the actual vote on the bill.
Yeah, we're currently more regressively conservative than we were post-Bush. Without a major war, disaster or depression we aren't getting a supermajority in the Senate.
Basically a motion to cut this shit out
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People couldn't be more pissed at Republicans than they were in '08 (at least if you're only counting since FDR was elected). And even then, it didn't matter. Healthcare reform is popular until people actually try to achieve it. Just look at Obamacare to see an example of that. Plus, they'll have to gut the filibuster to get it passed, and even if a super majority does form, Republicans can just kill the public option via reconciliation.
TumblingHippo
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Forgive people for being pessimistic tonight. I've certainly been paying attention, which is why I'm worn out. My faith in people is pretty shook in general and that'll be for a while.
darthsontin
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Single-payer has no chance the same way same-sex marriage had no chance back in the mid-2000's. Maybe this whole effort will be like Prop 8 in California-igniting general outrage that leads to swift change for the better in a few years.
The party is more left wing now than it was then, and I think if there's one thing that will finally force Millennials to the polls it's probably something like this. Bernie laid the groundwork and pretty much all of the 2020 potential candidates have all been coming out for MFA. Theres way more support for it more than there was in 2008 and a significant portion of Americans now consider healthcare to be something the government needs to guarantee.
A. Trump
B. I would be stunned if we are not in recession before 2020.
Arrogant Bastard
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It doesn't matter man. You actually think public opinion on this matters? If public opinion mattered on this we wouldn't have Trump. People didn't vote Trump because of the ACA, hell his own voters said they voted for him but never actually believed he meant that he was gonna take it away.
Guess what happens next time, they will still pull the R lever cause X, Y, Z.
People bring this up but it is completely and utterly different. Same-sex marriage had numerous constitutional challenges, you aren't going to get people suing to get single payer. It would actually be the opposite.
Ah, gotcha. Fucking bullshit if this 8 page bill passes as-is.
John Rabbit
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Yeah I'm not hopeful. Y'all thought Texas had the worst Senators.
SomewhatGroovy
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They're transferable skills, yeah.
AZ is more purple than you think. Trump only won it 49.5-45.
Yeah, I'm not as cynical as many here, but I've come to the same unfortunate conclusion about single payer in America: it ain't happening, ever, or at least within my lifetime. I think the best hope at this point is that we'll basically just get another version of Obamacare in the future, and since maybe a black man won't pass it the GOP will leave it alone, or at least not gut it like this. Which is better than nothing, I guess.
I never thought we would have a black president in my life time, so there is hope
Look, I want to smoke the hopium. I did back in 06 and 08, but I am a sad drunk middle aged man now hoping against hope that everything I fought for over the last 15 years isn't undone tonight.
Autodidact
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Y'all shouldn't be so bullish on Flake's reelection chances. He has some of the lowest approval ratings in the country and will be running in a backlash year.
Now that's some shit. =S
smokeandmirrors
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The thing the dems need to do if they take back the three chambers is remove the filibuster and pass a public option or Medicare for all. The republicans have thrown the norms out the window at this point.
Autodidact
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No, copies of Mulan.
Think you may have misspelled bricks.
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thepotatoman
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So basically party line vote, Dems on Yes Reps on No.
Dems never had a real supermajority for any real length of time because of the time it took Frankens win to be confirmed and Ted Kennedy being in the hospital and his eventual death.
The man's not a real Christian. He's a mass murderer.
There's pessimism and then there's just making statements that are factually inaccurate.
Let's not get carried away. Ted Cruz is like a fusion of three-four GOP Senators at once. He's just such a joke he's never going to get anything done
John Rabbit
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I'm not. I'm confident someone more right-wing will replace him.
Dude Abides
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Little Marco on the CNN feed. These dudes just milling around aimlessly.
Last year made me cynical as fuck and all I need to hear is "TRUMP ENDORSES X OVER FLAKE" to see that vote won't matter for shit.
Not here for me, my mom. Her cancer treatments were paid for through the ACA. She got in a car accident tonight. She's OK, just waiting on scans results. The ACA is really important to our family.
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