dems don't want to pass single payer though
people hate what republicans are doing but the opposition isn't credible
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House GOP may pass Senate's "skinny repeal" outright. CALL YOUR SENATORS.
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people hate what republicans are doing but the opposition isn't credible
Because they are fundamentally against the government being involved in any assistance to help people. In any way. Why poor people vote for them is crazy to me.
Lol, if that was the endgame, they would have just made a workable system to begin with. That's not what this about, it's never been what it's about. They don't want a universal healthcare system, and if they have to do it, it's what Obamacare already is, but it was passed by a black man, so they can't let it stand. That's what it's about, that's what it's always been about.
balladofwindfishes
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Alright
So like, you hate democrats and that's cool or whatever
But Republicans are trying to take away healthcare from 20 million people, so maybe it's not quite the right time to be playing this both sides are the same everyone is terrible nonsense right now
RoyaleDuke
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Good, and I hope they are scared.
Gotta get it in, fill that quota no matter the time or place.
Because there are multiple viable methods of providing Universal Healthcare to all citizens that aren't jumping immediately to Single Payer and blowing up the economy in the process like the GOP is trying to do!
Single payer and Universal Healthcare are not synonyms!
Realistically though single payer would be a nightmare to do in the US. It's true. Our systems and hospitals are not equipped.
It would take a decade or more of transition to do and it would hurt.
Doesn't mean we shouldn't try though.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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It's always the right time for those types.
AnotherNils
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On the bright side, the few democratic controlled states could pass their own mandate to keep their exchanges from collapses I think
guess who won't try though
SenorArdilla
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Be the change you want to see.
They could but the shockwaves would reach them anyway.
We had a majority in both bodies for a public option! (aka the first step on that path!)
RoyaleDuke
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Fuck it, called them instead and left similar messages to the one I wrote.
Yep. It's always been about spitting in the face of anyone non white and straight. It's like every time there is progress for any minority or underrepresented demographic. The most privileged back lash in emotional irrational ways because they feel like making thing equal and just is oppression. This is the damn near nightmare scenario. I am honestly sick of this country.
Just ten-fiftten years ago, you could have made this same statement and been just as apt. But, here we are. When they had all chambers of government, they worked against a lot of odds to pass some, albeit flawed, form of it. When the GOP had, they worked hard to take it away.
Everyone knows you're just a worry troll, Bernie Bro pushing poster who is full of shit, so it does no good to reply to you, but no one wants your both sides bullshit right now. Save it for another thread, let us discuss this properly. Please.
Domino effect will hit them anyways. All this was to fuck over Obama and millions are about to suffer.
You, now go somewhere else and do it another time.
SoRuffShoNuff
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Could you even pass single payer and ensure a democrat president long enough to keep it from being repealed before its fully implemented. I really don't think you could.
All you would do is wreak havoc on the stock market for the near future.
Yup, because crazy sounding people clearly have no influence on politicians, which is why one of the two major parties pretty much controls the entire legislative and executive branches.
Good point.
No. Would be in the same boat we are unless politics change drastically and the parties start working together for the people.
That is never ever going to happen again.
You would almost certainly be kicked out of office in the wake of the recession you'd cause implementing it if trying to do it out of the current state of the US economy.
You can conceivably get to it, but you have to do it in giant steps. The public option being the first along w/ true universal coverage.
RoyaleDuke
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OH MY GOD! SOMEONE PICKED UP AND HUNG UP ON ME WHEN I CALLED BENNETS OFFICE.
Holy shit. Well at least I sent that piece of shit Gardner the message I posted in this thread.
Holy shit. Well at least I sent that piece of shit Gardner the message I posted in this thread.
They're not. Your fax will get fed into the shredder with a thousand others while your senators indulge in Trump's latest beer bender in the Rose garden.
Putin won. I have no faith in the American government or democracy at this point, and I'm more or less stuck in this sinking ship of a country against my will.
There's not been one big mass march, but there's been a lot of small scale marches and sit-ins in government offices over the last month or so, actually. A lot of disabled protesters have gotten dragged out of governmental offices over that time period. There's just not much coverage of that stuff unless it's a big scale march like the Women's March.
AnotherNils
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All this because they made a promise to get rage-votes but didn't think they'd have to do it.
That's exactly what I'm saying.
RoyaleDuke
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Yeah but it felt good sending it.
I mean I have no faith either, this is the end of the world fellas, drink and smoke'em while you got them. The Orwellian hellhole will probably be a nuclear crater soon because just look at the atomic clock and the state of the world.
medicaid and medicare have lasted for decades and even now are too politically important for the gop to touch
obamacare won't even have lasted 10 years
good universal programs are popular enough to last, incremental "pragmatic" shit like the aca will never be well enough liked to scare off conservatives so they'll always get dismantled in the end
darthsontin
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The movement towards single-payer has taken huge steps in the last few months. Way more people support the idea now than before the election. Give it time, especially if people hate the GOP "repeal" results.
538's Liveblog seems to think that McConnell has the 50 since they doubt anyone will step up and be the third to kill it, though it is still unclear whether it passes the Byrd Rule.
538's Liveblog seems to think that McConnell has the 50 since they doubt anyone will step up and be the third to kill it, though it is still unclear whether it passes the Byrd Rule.
GoldenEye 007
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You'd have to write the bill to be effective in full by the next plan year. It would likely mean nuking the legislative filibuster to get it done. No more 3-4 year rollout plan. It will be ripping off a hell of a band aid, but the private market has had long enough to play nice.
Maybe make another bill that addresses the mass job loss in the insurance arena.
Maybe make another bill that addresses the mass job loss in the insurance arena.
I'm trying to follow this shit but it's a little hard when people give in to hysterics like this.
Is there any way a democrat can filibuster the old fashioned way? AKA, get up and talk for a long ass while? Because this bill is some bullshit. 8 fucking pages, what a fucking joke. I passed better, more complete bills in mock government sessions in high school.
If not, this thing is almost guaranteed to pass. The only thing that could possibly stop it is senate rules.
If not, this thing is almost guaranteed to pass. The only thing that could possibly stop it is senate rules.
nintendoman58
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You sure love throwing the word Orwellian around like that correctly sums up this whole fiasco.
I read 1984 and I can't even compare what's happening right now to that.
Right now "The Party" is essentially in a panic parade just to get this out there and done and over with. This isn't meticulous tactics, it's an act of desperation in attempt to get something done and not caring at all what the consequences will be!
Karsticles
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This is irrelevant to my post.
No, you're going to make them laugh with something like that. lol
Ziltoidia 9
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I need an explanation on this statement.
Because they dont give a shit about anything other than fucking people over just for the sake of not hearing the man baby and killing whatever else of obamas legacy is left.
Yes, unless they nuke the filibuster
Huh? I think you are confusing something. Martial Law is, uh, not this or anything related this.
The House is "promising" not to just automatically vote on it. Of course that means nothing as some of the Senators have stated. There is no legal obligation to hold to the committee process
Well, reconciliation can kill filibuster as far as needing 60 votes, but I can't thing of anything that keeps a democrat just going on and on in a speech. It's not even clear that this can pass reconciliation. I'd like to hear what McDonough thinks.
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