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[Deleted member 13876]

Why not play another game with complex and fun high-level play, less of a grind, and a story and setting that are actually compelling instead? There's little reason to settle for Pokemon.

Okay, we may start going in circles here, but I'm gonna respond anyway. Why should you bow down to the public opinion? Even if you're so afraid of your image, you can easily play the game in private. Also, while there may be similar games, none of the games you summed up, are really that akin to Pokemon's competitive gameplay.

There may not be that much at first glance, but when you play versus others online (currently only available through a program called Netbattle), a whole new world of depth opens up to you. The fact of the matter is, I like that depth. Why should I trade it in for something I also enjoy, but enjoy less? It's all a matter of personal preference. You enjoy the games you listed more than I do, and I vice-versa. There's not much use arguing over differences in taste, especially when discussing well-received franchises.

 

[Meier]

I wanna know where you saw Emerald for 10 bucks.. shit, I'd be all over that like white on rice! I've been wanting to play it some before D/P comes out.

 

[Jiggy]

21 and it's my favorite series. As Koren pointed out...

I'm 28, and I intend to buy diamond. Still, this game has an (incorrect) image of a very kiddy game, probably due to the anime/films, and I must say I would feel unconfortable to buy it in places where people have no clues on what it is really and still have a definite opinion on this.

The strange thing is... the only other game with which I feel the same is GTA. For a similar reason, in fact. I don't buy it because I like to turn rampage on everybody. Rather, because games I buy are interesting and fun.

...Pokemon show = happy kids' adventure where heart always wins. Pokemon game = thinking man's destruction where strategy always wins. Not that there's anything intrinsically superior about either, but just saying that one would have a better reception in the "adult" world.

Why not play another game with complex and fun high-level play, less of a grind, and a story and setting that are actually compelling instead? There's little reason to settle for Pokemon.

-No monthly fees
-Cheaper hardware
-Variety is good
-False dichotomy

 

[MrToughPants]

Pokemon is like Mario you should grow out of it by the time you hit puberty...everyone I know did.

Is this the OP? :lol

 

[Vic]

eeewww pokemon

shut up you mature person

 

[Attack You]

Nils, you throw down like a pro, but I'm certain Yang's argument was that there are simply "better" games to consider playing and not so much about image.

 

[Taichu]

 

[cartman414]

21 and it's my favorite series. As Koren pointed out...

...Pokemon show = happy kids' adventure where heart always wins. Pokemon game = thinking man's destruction where strategy always wins.

You apparently haven't watched the show well enough then.

 

[Endgegner]

(neutral) Barf_the_Mog
I lost my girlfirend because I played Pokemon
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WTF?

 

[Rayne.S]

Yup, videogames are an accepted form of entertainment :lol

 

[Deleted member 13876]

Nils, you throw down like a pro, but I'm certain Yang's argument was that there are simply "better" games to consider playing and not so much about image.

That's highly likely, but I'm pretty sure a lot of people (not per se here) still only diss the series because of its image. I felt this was a prime opportunity to share my oppinion on that matter. But I may just be a tad too trigger happy to partake in a maturity debate >_>

 

[BooJoh]

I'm 27 and still love the games. I'm not ashamed to buy them at the store at all, and my girlfriend doesn't care that I play them. In fact, she plays them too. We play together, trade, train Pokemon for each other. Heck, she's even buying me an import copy of Diamond or Pearl as a gift.

Name one other RPG with nearly 400 character classes to choose from with hundreds of moves, multiple battle styles, extra contests, deep leveling mechanics, and highly competitive PvP that rewards dedication and strategy.

 

[Barf_the_Mog]

I wanna know where you saw Emerald for 10 bucks.. shit, I'd be all over that like white on rice! I've been wanting to play it some before D/P comes out.

I assumed "Half Priced Books" was a national retailer, but it might just be MidWestern. I've seen at least one in Michigan and there are a couple in the city I live in.

 

[cartman414]

I'm 27 and still love the games. I'm not ashamed to buy them at the store at all, and my girlfriend doesn't care that I play them. In fact, she plays them too. We play together, trade, train Pokemon for each other. Heck, she's even buying me an import copy of Diamond or Pearl as a gift.

Name one other RPG with nearly 400 character classes to choose from with hundreds of moves, multiple battle styles, extra contests, deep leveling mechanics, and highly competitive PvP that rewards dedication and strategy.

Characters, not character classes. Too bad the solo game is something of a wash, and that the battle system isn't upgraded into something more reflective of the more diverse anime style of battling now that the technology certainly exists.

Oh, and the anime isn't simply kiddy either. A little repetitive as of recent, perhaps, but not really shallow kiddy fare.

 

[cvxfreak]

19. I actually completed the Hoenn PokeDex in Emerald last week and am working on the Kanto one in Emerald.

Interestingly, in Japan the anime has had a few adult related themes in its show, that got banned here for obvious reasons. Episodes like James inflating breasts and comparing his size to Misty's.

Even Yu-gi-oh seems like a kid's cartoon until you actually check out the Japanese version. Not saying Pokemon's as drastic as that, though.

 

[chaostrophy]

I'm 27, married, and play it. Sometimes even in public, on the train.

Your girlfriend was acting shallow and judgemental. I'd say dump her if she doesn't apologize.

 

[HolyStar]

So how old is too old for a person to be buying kids books and toddler toys to play with?

 

[Attack You]

Characters, not character classes.

True. I'd probably consider the pkmn Types to be the classes -- and 17 different types with some that are dual-types is pretty crazy. I wonder if their personalities are their "jobs?"

Edit: Come to think of it, is there any other RPG on the market where you can mate two characters from the same class and create a new and improved character?

Edit 2: Other than SMT Nocturne?

 

[antiloop]

10 I would say.

 

[keanerie]

No such thing.

 

[Dragona Akehi]

So how old is too old for a person to be buying kids books and toddler toys to play with?

Question: did you play Kingdom Hearts?

 

[Taichu]

Interestingly, in Japan the anime has had a few adult related themes in its show, that got banned here for obvious reasons. Episodes like James inflating breasts and comparing his size to Misty's.

Even Yu-gi-oh seems like a kid's cartoon until you actually check out the Japanese version. Not saying Pokemon's as drastic as that, though.

Oh god. I'm sure in Japan they see it as a joke, like Bugs Bunny crossdressing or something. James with boobies isn't adult. It's rather juvenile.

And no matter how you look at Yu-Gi-Oh, the plot centers around goofy-haired teenagers playing card games.

 

[cartman414]

19. I actually completed the Hoenn PokeDex in Emerald last week and am working on the Kanto one in Emerald.

Interestingly, in Japan the anime has had a few adult related themes in its show, that got banned here for obvious reasons. Episodes like James inflating breasts and comparing his size to Misty's.

Even Yu-gi-oh seems like a kid's cartoon until you actually check out the Japanese version. Not saying Pokemon's as drastic as that, though.

Drastic in what sense? The adult or the kiddy sense? For some really edgy stuff, you should check out the pre-card game oriented Yu-Gi-Oh! series, subtitled A Shadow Game.

The Pokemon show has some seriously well-done and heartfelt episodes, one example being where Jessie, James and Meowth let go of Arbok and Weezing in order to protect the well being of packs of Ekans and Koffing that were pursued by a ruthless Pokemon poacher. The anime has plenty of light-hearted and surreal humor to go around as well. Then of course there's also the exciting battles.

It may not be Cowboy Bebop, but it's still an engaging show.

And no matter how you look at Yu-Gi-Oh, the plot centers around goofy-haired teenagers playing card games.

Yu-Gi-Oh! is more like a shonen show centered around a card game. And the pre-card game series A Shadow Game is something completely different.

 

[BooJoh]

True. I'd probably consider the pkmn Types to be the classes -- and 17 different types with some that are dual-types is pretty crazy. I wonder if their personalities are their "jobs?"

Well when you get down to it, each individual Pokemon has different stats, abilities, and moves learned. Based on that, they're pretty much equivalent to classes. At the very least, each line of evolution (Pichu -> Pikachu -> Raichu) could be considered a class. And with D/P the number will likely be near 500.

 

[arab]

The people who say Pokemon is for kids are the same people who put Katamari Damacy, Viva Pinata, and Loco Roco on a pedestal for having a "unique" style.

 

[cvxfreak]

Oh god. I'm sure in Japan they see it as a joke, like Bugs Bunny crossdressing or something. James with boobies isn't adult. It's rather juvenile.

And no matter how you look at Yu-Gi-Oh, the plot centers around goofy-haired teenagers playing card games.

Bugs Bunny cross dressing =/= an adult male human inflating breasts for a beauty competition

 

[HolyStar]

Question: did you play Kingdom Hearts?

...Of course, It was damn fun game. But KH does not have as much as the kiddy label as Pokemon. I mean do what ever makes you happy but people will judge you for it. You just have to weigh what matters most to you having fun or negative social stigma.

 

[Dragona Akehi]

...Of course

That's where I stopped reading.

 

[cvxfreak]

...Of course, It was damn fun game. But KH does not have as much as the kiddy label as Pokemon.

How'd you come about that conclusion?

 

[cartman414]

Well when you get down to it, each individual Pokemon has different stats, abilities, and moves learned. Based on that, they're pretty much equivalent to classes. At the very least, each line of evolution (Pichu -> Pikachu -> Raichu) could be considered a class. And with D/P the number will likely be near 500.

It's too bad that there's nothing much to the solo quest, aside from collecting badges and Pokemon, and grinding levels to build them up. (Which is what it does come down to even with the stat dynamics.) Then there's the antiquated battle engine. I'm not trying to troll against your point though, which is a very good one.

 

[HolyStar]

That's where I stopped reading.

Question: What would you think if you saw if you saw a grown man in tight short clothing playing on a swing set/jumping jacks/playing Pokemon TCG.


Edit: Just for the fact that KH is not nearly as popular as Pokemon.

 

[Dragona Akehi]

Question: What would you think if you saw if you saw a grown man in tight short clothing playing on a swing set/jumping jacks/playing Pokemon TCG.

We aren't talking about card games, are we?

KH is not only incredibly juvenile, it's a shitty game. At least Pokemon is fun.

PS: you lose, hypocrisy for the win.

 

[Ghengis Cohen]

Question: What would you think if you saw if you saw a grown man in tight short clothing playing on a swing set/jumping jacks/playing Pokemon TCG.

Probably the same thing I would think if I saw someone pretending to be a soft eyed anime hero traveling around in Disneyland in a Lincoln Log spaceship.

 

[Attack You]

Well when you get down to it, each individual Pokemon has different stats, abilities, and moves learned. Based on that, they're pretty much equivalent to classes. At the very least, each line of evolution (Pichu -> Pikachu -> Raichu) could be considered a class. And with D/P the number will likely be near 500.

Well, if each pkmn is a class, what would be a "character" within that class?

 

[Dragona Akehi]

Probably the same thing I would think if I saw someone pretending to be a soft eyed anime hero traveling around in Disneyland in a Lincoln Log ship.

You say it better than I do. Winnar.

 

[Vic]

btw, since Pokemon D/P are coming soon, I need to get back into the beat. Does Pokemon FireRed or LeafGreen would be a great choice?

 

[beelzebozo]

to say that you can draw a distinct time at which you should grow out of a game despite its quality is a bit asinine. you're essentially performing that same act of "its time be a growds up!" that the kid who refuses to trick-or-treat is. you just look silly.

if you find it fun, play it.
if you don't, don't.
why is that so hard?

 

[Dr.Hadji]

People who are 19 years old and younger are the people just old enough to truely enjoyed the game when it came out when they were younger. Pokemon, when the craze was around, was truely a real life MMRPG.

You might be too old to be hanging around kids trading your Pokemon but what you do in your own time sir.

 

[Error]

ironic thing is that, behind it's 'kiddy' coat Pokemon has a lot more depth and gameplay than many of these so called 'mature' games

 

[Attack You]

It's too bad that there's nothing much to the solo quest, aside from collecting badges and Pokemon, and grinding levels to build them up. (Which is what it does come down to even with the stat dynamics.) Then there's the antiquated battle engine.

I'd kill for a grid-based strategy game -- preferrably one that uses your pre-existing GBA/DS data.

 

[Brobzoid]

pokemon is fun. stop trying to look so ****ing hard playing on your pink ds lite. Pokemon draws girls in. Pokemon and mario. tap that ass with the help of nintendo, the lady-man's tool for a cheap lay.

 

[cartman414]

I'd kill for a grid-based strategy game -- preferrably one that uses your pre-existing GBA/DS data.

That would be a great idea! Get Mitsuno on board for the mechanics.

A Tales of/Star Ocean type battle-system with dynamic environments and counterable attacks would be awesome.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Honestly? In the real world? By the time you're 10 or 11 you should be growing out of Pokemon. Your girlfriend's reaction is one 80% of people would have.

If you're a gamer and you play it because you appreciate the design & mechanics etc. I guess that's fine, but don't expect people to understand.

this is the truth

 

[BooJoh]

Well, if each pkmn is a class, what would be a "character" within that class?

If you trained two of the same Pokemon, they would be different characters. You could give each one its own name and teach them different movesets, focus of different stats, etc. Same as any other game which uses a class system more than a character system. I would only consider each Pokemon a character if you could only obtain one of each.

 

[Attack You]

If you trained two of the same Pokemon, they would be different characters. You could give each one its own name and teach them different movesets, focus of different stats, etc. Same as any other game which uses a class system more than a character system. I would only consider each Pokemon a character if you could only obtain one of each.

Not a bad assessment. Not bad...at...all.

 

[Kelegacy]

I'm not into Pokemon, but I did pick up Saphire for the GBA during the 8.96 CC sale. Haven't opened it yet, but I'm not completely against the idea of Pokemon. Fun shouldn't be limited to different age brackets--hell, I still have to fight the urge to jump into the ball bin at the McDonald's Playground areas.

I'm 25 and though I love videogames, I do live a healthy life outside of gaming. But I don't have the Gamer-Visage gene, so that might say a lot. Those Pokemon tourney winners scare me and probably SHOULD stay inside and play Pokemon so the rest of us don't have to look at them.

Haha...sorry. Just kidding.

 

[Gorgie]

To me, if you can still enjoy Harry Potter, then there's no shame in enjoying Pokemon.

 

[Chao]

You shouldn't be ashamed of playing Pokemon.
You should be ashamed, if anything, of being one of them:

 

[Attack You]

You shouldn't be ashamed of playing Pokemon.
You should be ashamed, if anything, of being one of them

Hey now, I'm a Snorlax on the weekends.

 

[cvxfreak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01oopXC-PsE