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How the Windows 10 upgrade works (no, it won't delete your stuff)

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M3d10n

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Alright, I've noticed a pattern in the Win10 related threads. Since a lot of people on GAF never upgraded past Win7 they are either entirely unfamiliar with the process for upgrading Windows or only experienced the XP -> Vista -> Seven upgrade path, which was quite traumatic and required a lot of work to get everything running. This thread is intended to clear up the doubts.

Starting with Windows Vista, Microsoft got their act together and created an in-place upgrade system that is relatively painless. It's done entirely inside the OS, there's no need for ISOs or USB drivers. You run a small program, it downloads everything in the background and when it's done it guides you through the process, which requires minimal user input.

The new upgrade process preserves all your programs (with a few exceptions, more about that later), files and settings, down to the position of your desktop icons. When the upgrade is done, your PC is ready to use. IT is also possible to "undo" the upgrade entirely (as long as you have sufficient HDD space). The old OS is backed up as it was before the install.

Usually, any programs that embed themselves too deeply into the system like anti-virus or programs that rely on virtual drivers like VMWare require some extra steps like repairing the installation, but the upgrade process will detect them and guide you through it.

Ah, this upgrade process is very unlikely to "bloat up" your Windows install. Performance won't be that much different than if you did a fresh install and installed all the programs you currently use. Trivia: you can actually use this upgrade system to repair your Windows 7 install, by "upgrading" it to itself. It fixes corrupted system files, bad/corrupted driver installs, messed up registry and a whole lot if problems as only a few specific branches of the registry are migrated over to keep installed programs working. This is how the "refresh my PC" feature of Windows 8 actually works under the hood.

Of course, if you want to take the opportunity to get a "fresh start", it should be possible. The situation with Windows 10 in that regard is still unknown (whether you can use your CD-Key to install from an ISO or not), but you should be able to clean up your system after you upgrade by using the refresh/reset features introduced with Windows 8, where you can reformat the system from within Windows without need for DVDs or USB drivers.

Finally, even if you don't want want to upgrade right now because reasons, you should reserve your Windows 10 upgrade so you have the option to upgrade later for free.

-- EDIT --

Want to try Windows 10 without messing with you PC? Download the tech preview ISO and install it on a virtual machine using the free VMWare Player.

Uhm...
Does this wipe environment variables and such?

Nope. I have several developer tools installed and they all worked after update, even stuff like TortoiseSVN and TortoiseGIT, python, chocolatey and etc.

Will I have to reinstall codecs and video plug-ins if I do this?

Nope, I have FFDshow and DivX installed and it remained working after upgrade.

Can anyone verify if this damages a Unity install? I simply cannot risk that if so.

My Unity 5 install survived the process intact.

Again, the only kind of programs that can be "broken" by the upgrade are ones that hook into pre-boot (anti-virus and anti-malware software) and those that rely on custom drivers or virtualization features (VMWare). Video codecs, shell extensions (TortoiseSVN, etc), browser plugins, IDEs (Visual Studio, Eclipse, etc), cygwin, python, etc, all work as usual.
 

danthefan

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Sorry how do I refresh my Windows 7 install? Can I download it from somewhere, or do I need my disks? Do I also need my license key?
 

taimoorh

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Will it work the same way for current preview build users? I long deleted my old Windows and am completely using Win 10 preview build since ages.
 

Caronte

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I think I already know the answer but might as well ask. Can you use this to "move" your license to a different computer? Win 8 license on PC1, you do something and you get a new Win 10 license than can be used on PC2? No?
 
Most importantly, will it delete the 20gb winssx directory currently stealing a big chunk of my SSD? If not, then no way I'm upgrading. Happy to reinstall my apps to get that space back.
 
How well will Windows 10 work with older hardware (holy fuck alliteration)?

I only have an AMD Phenom II x4 965BE, a Radeon HD 6870 1GB, and 8GB of RAM. I also only use my PC on a 1360x768 TV.
 

M3d10n

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Sorry how do I refresh my Windows 7 install? Can I download it from somewhere, or do I need my disks? Do I also need my license key?

You need a disk for the exact Windows 7 edition you are using (including language, if it's a non-English install) and your serial key. Just pop the disk in the drive (or create a bootable USB drive) and run the Setup.exe from within Windows 7 and select "upgrade" and follow the instructions.

This page covers all the details and situations that might arise: https://www.winhelp.us/non-destructive-reinstall-of-windows-7.html
 

epmode

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I think I already know the answer but might as well ask. Can you use this to "move" your license to a different computer? Win 8 license on PC1, you do something and you get a new Win 10 license than can be used on PC2? No?

I'd like an answer for this as well. I can currently install my retail Windows 8 on another computer without a problem but I'm not sure if the same will apply to Windows 10 if I follow the upgrade.
 

The Cowboy

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Most importantly, will it delete the 20gb winssx directory currently stealing a big chunk of my SSD? If not, then no way I'm upgrading. Happy to reinstall my apps to get that space back.

Run disk cleanup, select clean system files, then select to remove the previous Windows installation files.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows-8/how-remove-windows-old-folder

Edit.
Run disk cleanup, select clean system files, then tick Windows update clean-up - this should do it.
 

Caronte

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How well will Windows 10 work with older hardware (holy fuck alliteration)?

I only have an AMD Phenom II x4 965BE, a Radeon HD 6870 1GB, and 8GB of RAM. I also only use my PC on a 1360x768 TV.

Are you seriously doubting a 3,4 GHz quad-core processor will be able to run Win 10?
 

Devil

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So what I get from OP is that I can just wait for W10 instead of reinstalling my current W8 setup which became a little slow and messy recently, right? Because the W10 upgrade will do some kind of "refreshing" anyway, yeah?
 

Gastone

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It's really great that MS has gotten it's act together with regads to Upgrades from earlier OS.

Still...the OCD part of me always demand a clean install when transitioning to a newer OS :p.

Been running the Tech preview of Windows 10 for about two weeks now (currently on build 10130) and i gotta say..i'm impressed. A few kinks here and there, but it's looking solid.
 

M3d10n

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How well will Windows 10 work with older hardware (holy fuck alliteration)?

I only have an AMD Phenom II x4 965BE, a Radeon HD 6870 1GB, and 8GB of RAM. I also only use my PC on a 1360x768 TV.

Min specs for Windows have been reducing with each new version, not increasing. There are Windows 8.1 tablets with 1GB of RAM and dual core Atom CPUs and they're all getting updated to Windows 10. Your PC will eat Windows 10 for breakfast, on a Tuesday.

So what I get from OP is that I can just wait for W10 instead of reinstalling my current W8 setup which became a little slow and messy recently, right? Because the W10 upgrade will do some kind of "refreshing" anyway, yeah?

Yes, but you could always refresh your Windows 8 install right now instead of waiting until July: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/restore-refresh-reset-pc
 

danthefan

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You need a disk for the exact Windows 7 edition you are using (including language, if it's a non-English install) and your serial key. Just pop the disk in the drive (or create a bootable USB drive) and run the Setup.exe from within Windows 7 and select "upgrade" and follow the instructions.

This page covers all the details and situations that might arise: https://www.winhelp.us/non-destructive-reinstall-of-windows-7.html

Ok thanks a lot. Just need to locate my disk now!
 

Korey

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If I reserve it, will it auto download the OS when it's available? I don't want to download anything until I actually want to install the upgrade.
 

The Cowboy

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Doesn't do anything about WINSXS. Tried it multiple times.

Or do you mean after installing Windows 10?

I misread the 1st time and thought you were talking about removing the old OS files after an upgrade, however have you tried this option over the remove previous install ion option?.

"Run disk cleanup, select clean system files, then tick Windows update clean-up"

This is meant to clean the Winsxs directory.
 

M3d10n

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Doesn't do anything about WINSXS. Tried it multiple times.

Or do you mean after installing Windows 10?

Are you using Windows 7? I'm using Win10 TP and my WinSxS folder is only 5.5GB (and this is a 7>8>8.1>10 upgrade). Microsoft fixed most of the HDD bloat from Windows 7 since they need to work on devices with 16GB SSDs.

If I reserve it, will it auto download the OS when it's available? I don't want to download anything until I actually want to install the upgrade.

Since the install process should take some time (one or two hours, YMMV), it will download but only install when you allow it to.
 
If I reserve it, will it auto download the OS when it's available? I don't want to download anything until I actually want to install the upgrade.

My 8.1 to 10 reservation said it would automatically download and let me know when its ready to install...
 

Blackage

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Would it be better to just backup your user profile and just do a clean install if there's really not alot of programs you need on your C Drive? Mainly just worried about browser bookmarks and add-ons, and the configurations of some programs I don't really mind reinstalling again(games, irc, etc).
 
I misread the 1st time and thought you were talking about removing the old OS files after an upgrade, however have you tried this option over the remove previous install ion option?.

"Run disk cleanup, select clean system files, then tick Windows update clean-up"

This is meant to clean the Winsxs directory.

Just did it again for the hell of it, Now 19gb. Woo! lol

Edit - Yes, that's Windows 7.
 

M3d10n

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Would it be better to just backup your user profile and just do a clean install if there's really not alot of programs you need on your C Drive? Mainly just worried about browser bookmarks and add-ons, and the configurations of some programs I don't really mind reinstalling again(games, irc, etc).

It won't make much difference, in my experience. Everything system-related (drivers, most registry keys not related to 3rd party apps, system files) is brand new and not reused from the previous OS (the old OS is actually moved to a different folder altogether).

In my experience, fresh installs are only faster because they have nothing installed at first. After a week or two of use it's business as usual.
 
Would it be better to just backup your user profile and just do a clean install if there's really not alot of programs you need on your C Drive? Mainly just worried about browser bookmarks and add-ons, and the configurations of some programs I don't really mind reinstalling again(games, irc, etc).

Well, you'd need to reinstall every program, not the ones only on your C Drive.
 

Doc Holliday

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That was weird I only noticed the "Get WIndows Icon" in the taskbar after reading thread. When did they add that?
 

pmj

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Since this is a help thread, I'll throw in a question about something I've been wondering about.

I've been a Linux user for over a decade now, but I've been considering switching to Windows on my more capable PC for use with VR next year.

Is this upgrade thing something that would be useful to me if I currently own no Windows licenses, or would I be better off buying Windows 10 when it's available?
 

GAMEPROFF

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Are there Update Asstents with which I can check if my Hardware is ok? I am using a couple of years old Notebook, the Specs seems mostly more than ok, but I dont want anything unexepcted to happen.
 
How would reinstalling Win10 work if my PC gets a virus?

Don't know yet. The license should be forever so you should always have an option to install whatever your previous OS was and upgrade again, but we'll see how they allow you to cut that step.
 

Rainy Dog

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Haven't seen it mentioned anywhere so this thread seems like an ideal opportunity to ask.

Do I need to uninstall Classic Shell before upgrading to Windows 10?
 

M3d10n

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Since this is a help thread, I'll throw in a question about something I've been wondering about.

I've been a Linux user for over a decade now, but I've been considering switching to Windows on my more capable PC for use with VR next year.

Is this upgrade thing something that would be useful to me if I currently own no Windows licenses, or would I be better off buying Windows 10 when it's available?

You need a valid Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 license to be eligible for the free upgrade. Are you a student or teacher?

Are there Update Asstents with which I can check if my Hardware is ok? I am using a couple of years old Notebook, the Specs seems mostly more than ok, but I dont want anything unexepcted to happen.

There's no stand alone upgrade advisor yet, but the upgrade process should check the hardware for incompatibilities before updating.
 

Sinfamy

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Montresor

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Isn't Microsoft sanctioning the pirating of any Win7 or Win8 computer in an effort to get Win10 into people's homes?

Microsoft wants everyone on Windows 10. You can satisfy one of the following requirements, and you will get Win10 for free, right?

1) Pirated Win7
2) Pirated Win8
3) Own legitimate copy of Win7
4) Own legitimate copy of Win8

If so, then no one needs to actually buy Win10, as long as you don't miss out on the free upgrade period.
 

bengraven

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So am I reading this right that you can upgrade from Vista to 10 and not lose your personal documents, etc?
 
Isn't Microsoft sanctioning the pirating of any Win7 or Win8 computer in an effort to get Win10 into people's homes?

Microsoft wants everyone on Windows 10. You can satisfy one of the following requirements, and you will get Win10 for free, right?

1) Pirated Win7
2) Pirated Win8
3) Own legitimate copy of Win7
4) Own legitimate copy of Win8

If so, there is no such thing as "buying" Win10, correct?

No, there will definitely be a standalone Win 10 version that you can buy, there just aren't really details about it.

Also even though pirated versions allow you to upgrade...you still upgrade to a pirated version. People took that news as having their pirated version upgrade to a legal version, which is not the case.
 

BPoole

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I did not know this. I thought I was going to have to back everything up, uninstall Win7, and install Win10. I might upgrade this weekend.

Are there any compatibility concerns as far as games or drivers when running Win10?
 

M3d10n

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Isn't Microsoft sanctioning the pirating of any Win7 or Win8 computer in an effort to get Win10 into people's homes?

Microsoft wants everyone on Windows 10. You can satisfy one of the following requirements, and you will get Win10 for free, right?

1) Pirated Win7
2) Pirated Win8
3) Own legitimate copy of Win7
4) Own legitimate copy of Win8

If so, then no one needs to actually buy Win10, as long as you don't miss out on the free upgrade period.

The pirated Win7/8 will upgrade to a pirated Win10. I won't enable genuine status. Traditionally Windows upgrades never did truly efficient genuine checks anyway.

So am I reading this right that you can upgrade from Vista to 10 and not lose your personal documents, etc?

The update from Vista to 7 will be the less smooth one (and you'd need to buy a 7 key), but it's doable.
 
I did not know this. I thought I was going to have to back everything up, uninstall Win7, and install Win10. I might upgrade this weekend.

Are there any compatibility concerns as far as games or drivers when running Win10?

Uh, it isn't out until the end of July. Upgrade then.

And yeah, there are probably compatibility issues, as always. Shouldn't be a lot of problems though.
 
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