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How the Windows 10 upgrade works (no, it won't delete your stuff)

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pmj

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You need a valid Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 license to be eligible for the free upgrade. Are you a student or teacher?

No, and looking at prices, there doesn't seem to be much of a difference between the different versions of Windows. They're all kinda expensive.
 

Megasoum

Banned
Sounds good... I'll probably do that this time. I don't feel like formating the whole thing again.

Btw can you choose where the old OS backup is stored? Using a SSD for my C drive, I don't want to have two copies of Windows on it.

Btw I'm running a legit copy of 8.1 right now. Am I a supposed to have already seen the pop-up for reserving my copy or I need to do something first to trigger it?
 

M3d10n

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No, and looking at prices, there doesn't seem to be much of a difference between the different versions of Windows. They're all kinda expensive.

Getting Windows "from scratch" is kinda expensive, yes. The vast majority of people get it through OEM. There are ways to obtain (somewhat) legal copies for cheaper on the net, however, by skirting at the edge of OEM licenses.

Sounds good... I'll probably do that this time. I don't feel like formating the whole thing again.

Btw can you choose where the old OS backup is stored? Using a SSD for my C drive, I don't want to have two copies of Windows on it.

Btw I'm running a legit copy of 8.1 right now. Am I a supposed to have already seen the pop-up for reserving my copy or I need to do something first to trigger it?

Everything is moved to a folder called Windows.old at the HDD root. You can delete or move it elsewhere if you want.
 

SoundLad

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Here's my situation and this thread seems perfect to get some clarification from people familiar with the upgrade process.

Current Situation:
I currently have Win 7 64-bit installed on my 1TB standard HDD

Goal:
Upgrade to Win 10 and install on a new HDD/SSD on the same computer. I want a "fresh start" so to speak.

The problem:
I'm not sure how I would go about doing this since I'm not familiar with replacing hard drives or installing new OS. In the past I would have bought a new computer whenever I needed to upgrade but this time I don't need a whole new setup (GPU, CPU and RAM to stay the same).
My initial thought is to install the Win 10 upgrade on my current HDD and then somehow "move" the windows installation to the SSD/new hard drive. If anyone has any words of wisdom or useful external info on this process that would be great!
 
What's the big deal about 10 outside of games?

I really don't play games on my pc, why should I upgrade?

Because it will be supported for longer is the easy reason.

Here's my situation and this thread seems perfect to get some clarification from people familiar with the upgrade process.

Current Situation:
I currently have Win 7 64-bit installed on my 1TB standard HDD

Goal:
Upgrade to Win 10 and install on a new HDD/SSD on the same computer. I want a "fresh start" so to speak.

The problem:
I'm not sure how I would go about doing this since I'm not familiar with replacing hard drives or installing new OS. In the past I would have bought a new computer whenever I needed to upgrade but this time I don't need a whole new setup (GPU, CPU and RAM to stay the same).
My initial thought is to install the Win 10 upgrade on my current HDD and then somehow "move" the windows installation to the SSD/new hard drive. If anyone has any words of wisdom or useful external info on this process that would be great!

Need to reinstall Windows then, not just upgrade. It isn't clear yet on how to do that.
 
I dunno why they have to stick with the upgrade plan. Just let us do a clean install with our eligible key of the old OS.

I dont like upgrades.

I mean, I am not really complaining. Its free shit. But I would have preferred a clean install.
 
I dunno why they have to stick with the upgrade plan. Just let us do a clean install with our eligible key of the old OS.

I dont like upgrades.

I mean, I am not really complaining. Its free shit. But I would have preferred a clean install.

Eventually it has allowed that with the Windows 7 -> Windows 8.1 too though. Although I wasn't always a painless process.
 

Aureon

Please do not let me serve on a jury. I am actually a crazy person.
Uhm...
Does this wipe environment variables and such?
 

Windu

never heard about the cat, apparently
Windows 7
Windows 7 Starter will be upgraded to Windows 10 Home

Windows 7 Home Basic will be upgraded to Windows 10 Home

Windows 7 Home Premium will be upgraded to Windows 10 Home

Windows 7 Professional will be upgraded to Windows 10 Pro

Windows 7 Ultimate will be upgraded to Windows 10 Pro

Windows 8
Windows 8.1 will be upgraded to Windows 10 Home

Windows 8.1 with Bing will be upgraded to Windows 10 Home

Windows 8.1 Pro will be upgraded to Windows 10 Pro

Windows Phone
Windows Phone 8.1 will be upgraded to Windows 10 Mobile. The availability of the upgrade may vary by hardware maker, mobile operator or carrier.

Excluded editions
Windows 7 Enterprise, Windows 8, Windows 8.1 Enterprise, and Windows RT/RT 8.1 are excluded from the free upgrade offer.
https://www.thurrott.com/windows/wi...upgrade-matrix-which-version-you-get-for-free
 
Here's my situation and this thread seems perfect to get some clarification from people familiar with the upgrade process.

Current Situation:
I currently have Win 7 64-bit installed on my 1TB standard HDD

Goal:
Upgrade to Win 10 and install on a new HDD/SSD on the same computer. I want a "fresh start" so to speak.

The problem:
I'm not sure how I would go about doing this since I'm not familiar with replacing hard drives or installing new OS. In the past I would have bought a new computer whenever I needed to upgrade but this time I don't need a whole new setup (GPU, CPU and RAM to stay the same).
My initial thought is to install the Win 10 upgrade on my current HDD and then somehow "move" the windows installation to the SSD/new hard drive. If anyone has any words of wisdom or useful external info on this process that would be great!

I'm in the same situation. I'm planning on getting a SSD this month, install Win 7 on that and then upgrade next month. Not sure what to do with my current HDD though. Do I format or leave it be? Shouldn't make a difference since I'm going to boot from my SSD (?).
 

tokkun

Member
Isn't Microsoft sanctioning the pirating of any Win7 or Win8 computer in an effort to get Win10 into people's homes?

Microsoft wants everyone on Windows 10. You can satisfy one of the following requirements, and you will get Win10 for free, right?

1) Pirated Win7
2) Pirated Win8
3) Own legitimate copy of Win7
4) Own legitimate copy of Win8

If so, then no one needs to actually buy Win10, as long as you don't miss out on the free upgrade period.

Microsoft has long supported updating of pirated copies of Windows. I wouldn't say this is "sanctioning" piracy. Rather, they recognize that they can't really stop pirates from getting illegal copies of the OS, and doing things like preventing pirated copies from getting updates creates a danger for legitimate customers because those systems running pirated copies may be more likely to be hacked and put in botnets.

These days, they just focus on making sure that people using system running pirated versions of Windows know they are pirated - and this will continue through to W10. If you upgrade from a pirated W7/W8, your W10 will work, but will continue to report that it is "not genuine".
 
I have that app on my taskbar to upgrade, but when I click on it I just get a blank window that pops up. Anyone else having this issue?
 

3phemeral

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Anyone with Wacom-enabled laptop/tablet pc and uses their machine for art/illustration: Does this affect pen function? I have a T902 running Win8.1 and it has it's own sets of quirks that I've worked around where it's tolerable to use a pen, but I don't want to risk messing that up with Win10.
 

GavinGT

Banned
What will I actually have to do on July 29? Will I just use Windows Update, or will there be some sort of pop-up for me to click?
 

Hip Hop

Member
I just bought an SSD and a 1TB in preparation for this.


Currently, I have my computer on a 300gb and 200gb hardrives.

Can I move my OS to my 128gb during this installation?

I don't wish to use my current hard drives any longer, which is why I bought 1TB as well to replace those.
 

FyreWulff

Member
Most importantly, will it delete the 20gb winssx directory currently stealing a big chunk of my SSD? If not, then no way I'm upgrading. Happy to reinstall my apps to get that space back.

the Wndows SXS folder is actually not 20GB. Windows just reports it like that because it's full of hardlinks which are pointing to the same file, and Windows will report each hardlink as the full size of the file it's pointing to, in addition to the source file itself.

However, if you're on Windows 7 they added a tool in later Windows updates to clean out the SXS directory since Service Packs usually reboot it, but Windows 7 only ever got one Service Pack so this cleanup was never triggered by the OS.
 
the Wndows SXS folder is actually not 20GB. Windows just reports it like that because it's full of hardlinks which are pointing to the same file, and Windows will report each hardlink as the full size of the file it's pointing to, in addition to the source file itself

Maybe not, but it's left my drive virtually empty so it might as well actually be that size.
 

AlexMogil

Member
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This is really clever.
 

M3d10n

Member
Anyone with Wacom-enabled laptop/tablet pc and uses their machine for art/illustration: Does this affect pen function? I have a T902 running Win8.1 and it has it's own sets of quirks that I've worked around where it's tolerable to use a pen, but I don't want to risk messing that up with Win10.

You can always download the Technical Preview ISO and run it in VMWare to see if it works beforehand.
 

Two Words

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When MS says that Windows 10 is a free upgrade for theorist year, does that mean if younger the upgrade within the first year that you upgrade for free or that the free upgrade only lasts a year?
 

Aureon

Please do not let me serve on a jury. I am actually a crazy person.
Nope. I have several developer tools installed and they all worked after update, even stuff like TortoiseSVN and TortoiseGIT, python, chocolatey and etc.

Good to know, i'm really hoping my scripts survive the pass.
I don't think they'd break Visual Studio, at least : )


Edit: VMWare breaks.
 
Posted in another thread but not answered.
Do we know what will happen with people already using the preview? Will I have to reinstall Win7 just to get the reservation pop up? I only installed the preview yesterday lol
 

Donos

Member
Looking forward to it. Still not clear if it's possible to directly install W10 after reformating everything or if i have to go fresh W7 than upgrade to W10 again.

The technical university i studied was part of a partnership programm (MSDNA) so we got W7 for free from the beginning. Since they had 4 different versions listed (german 32bit/64 bit and english 32/64) i and my gf got 4 keys each which are all goodfor 64bit W7 Professional. Still have 1 unused key left (for new PC i'm going to build sometimes).
Since i'm not a fan of W8 and stayed on W7 i'm curious about W10.
 

Azih

Member
I have a few tablet like devices that have really really low amounts of free space. I think would have to jump through more hoops to upgrade them because of that right?
 

FyreWulff

Member
When MS says that Windows 10 is a free upgrade for theorist year, does that mean if younger the upgrade within the first year that you upgrade for free or that the free upgrade only lasts a year?

Once you obtain the upgrade, you have Windows 10 permanently. The upgrade window says this
 
So am I reading this right that you can upgrade from Vista to 10 and not lose your personal documents, etc?

Pretty much. For personal documents it's been that way since XP at least, but you will also keep (most) installed programs as well.

That being said, always back up your personal documents, even if you are not planning any upgrades.
 

Zomba13

Member
I noticed the icon on my taskbar and I've now "reserved" my windows 10.

So upgrade would just upgrade it and keep it all the same just on Windows 10? So no messing with documents or game installs etc? Do we know about compatibility with old programs? Like will my games all work the same? Or will it more likely that some will work fine but some might have issues and need patches from the devs?
 
I noticed the icon on my taskbar and I've now "reserved" my windows 10.

So upgrade would just upgrade it and keep it all the same just on Windows 10? So no messing with documents or game installs etc? Do we know about compatibility with old programs? Like will my games all work the same? Or will it more likely that some will work fine but some might have issues and need patches from the devs?

Everything will be the same.

Old programs will almost all work fine likely, some very old games might need to be run in compatibility mode or something.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
I have (presumably) an OEM win8 key as my PC was prebuilt. But I'd like to upgrade my motherboard. If I reserve, or install Windows 10 first, will that give me a key I can reuse on the new motherboard?
 
I have (presumably) an OEM win8 key as my PC was prebuilt. But I'd like to upgrade my motherboard. If I reserve, or install Windows 10 first, will that give me a key I can reuse on the new motherboard?

We don't know yet, but I don't think Win 8 has OEM keys anymore and you should just be able to reuse that one with a new motherboard. I'd make sure of that first though.
 
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