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[Dr_Cogent]

Now, first of all, maybe it does work like this and MS just hasn't said anything.

But here is my take.

I think its safe to say that the Retard Pack pisses a fair majority of gamers off, but if the 360 worked like I am about to describe - some of us would be "less pissed".

If I can stream music from my XP machine, I should be able to save my game files on my XP machine as well. Basically, the Xbox 360 should be capable of network storage. If I could store all my saves and music on my remote PC, I would have WAY less of a problem with the Retard Pack. Now, the down to this, is that I would have to have my PC running whenever my Xbox was on - but I do that now anyway (I like having my PC readily available if I want to look something up, quick login to WoW, or whatever).

So MS, want to make me happy? Implement what I just suggested and you will have +1 Retard Pack sales

 

[Ruzbeh]

I clicked this thread thinking you had official info from MS.

+1 Disappointment.

Anyway, it's a bit hard for me to understand that you're willing to go through that much trouble just to save yourself $100. I don't think it's possible because the XDude 360 isn't so versatile as a PC but I guess I could be wrong. But I don't think MS would allow you to do that.

 

[The Abominable Snowman]

I demand HD-DVD and Hard Drive standard for all versions.

 

[Nerevar]

I think the xbox 360 should give me a blowjob and bake me brownies. I'd pay $300 for that.

 

[DarienA]

I think the xbox 360 should give me a blowjob and bake me brownies. I'd pay $300 for that.

...throw in the ability to make chocolate chip cookies and you've got a deal. Warm, soft chocolate chip cookies right out of the oven... mmmmmmm...

 

[FiRez]

I clicked this thread thinking you had official info from MS.

+1 Disappointment.

Anyway, it's a bit hard for me to understand that you're willing to go through that much trouble just to save yourself $100. I don't think it's possible because the XDude 360 isn't so versatile as a PC but I guess I could be wrong. But I don't think MS would allow you to do that.

actually a PC-Xbox connection isn't a problem at all (ask any xbox modder).
obviously you can't access data as fast as a HDD so sadly we can forget about caching game data but you can get 7-10Mega"bytes"per second that is enough to save files and even to use custom soundtracks, play arcade games, save and retrieve DLC game data and some other stuff that I'm sure to forget now.

 

[Wellington]

...throw in the ability to make chocolate chip cookies and you've got a deal. Warm, soft chocolate chip cookies right out of the oven... mmmmmmm...

He was talking about the retard pack. The $400 one makes the cookies.

 

[The Faceless Master]

network storage could easily be able to store save games, but that would mean less $40 memory card sales, and since the HDD is just for save games now, that would kill that too

it would go against everything MS is trying to do now.. make money...

 

[IJoel]

He was talking about the retard pack. The $400 one makes the cookies.

But half cooked cause the oven doesn't know who's baking them cookies and whether it has a BUILT IN timer.

 

[DarienA]

But half cooked cause the oven doesn't know who's baking them cookies and whether it has a BUILT IN timer.

Damn.

 

[Argyle]

Now, first of all, maybe it does work like this and MS just hasn't said anything.

But here is my take.

I think its safe to say that the Retard Pack pisses a fair majority of gamers off, but if the 360 worked like I am about to describe - some of us would be "less pissed".

If I can stream music from my XP machine, I should be able to save my game files on my XP machine as well. Basically, the Xbox 360 should be capable of network storage. If I could store all my saves and music on my remote PC, I would have WAY less of a problem with the Retard Pack. Now, the down to this, is that I would have to have my PC running whenever my Xbox was on - but I do that now anyway (I like having my PC readily available if I want to look something up, quick login to WoW, or whatever).

So MS, want to make me happy? Implement what I just suggested and you will have +1 Retard Pack sales

If they DID do this, I'd be getting the Retard Pack, since I've got plenty of hard drive space on my LAN, and lots of USB mass storage to use as well.

Like I said in another thread - the MS that is redesigning the video port for no other reason than to make Xbox 1 owners buy new cables at twice the price doesn't seem like a company that would let you save to anything that they're not taking a cut of the profits on.

 

[Dr_Cogent]

If they DID do this, I'd be getting the Retard Pack, since I've got plenty of hard drive space on my LAN, and lots of USB mass storage to use as well.

Like I said in another thread - the MS that is redesigning the video port for no other reason than to make Xbox 1 owners buy new cables at twice the price doesn't seem like a company that would let you save to anything that they're not taking a cut of the profits on.

Right, that's why I said thats how their storage should work.

 

[AtomicShroom]

Okay so let's see... Suppose you ditch the 20gb harddrive and want to use your PC's harddrive instead, opting for the Retard Pack. But then, if you want to play your games in HD and play on Xbox Live, that means you'd have to buy the HD Cables and headset separately... let's add it up:

Retard Pack: $300
Headset: $20
HD Cables: $40

Total: $360

Aren't you better off coughing the additional $40 and get: a 20gb harddrive, a wireless controller, an ethernet cable and a media remote?

Either way you look at it, the Retard Pack still remains a Retard Pack.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Okay so let's see... Suppose you ditch the 20gb harddrive and want to use your PC's harddrive instead, opting for the Retard Pack. But then, if you want to play your games in HD and play on Xbox Live, that means you'd have to buy the HD Cables and headset separately... let's add it up:

Retard Pack: $300
Headset: $20
HD Cables: $40

Total: $360

Aren't you better off coughing the additional $40 and get: a 20gb harddrive, a wireless controller, an ethernet cable and a media remote?

Either way you look at it, the Retard Pack still remains a Retard Pack.

well, that's because the headset and av cables are grossly overpriced and the xbox cables don't work with 360, it only seems like a 'deal' because of that...

 

[IJoel]

well, that's because the headset and av cables are grossly overpriced and the xbox cables don't work with 360, it only seems like a 'deal' because of that...

A $20 headset is reasonable. A $40 component cable on the other hand...

 

[teh_pwn]

"Retard Pack" on google gets you gaming-age. haha

 

[AtomicShroom]

well, that's because the headset and av cables are grossly overpriced and the xbox cables don't work with 360, it only seems like a 'deal' because of that...

Indeed it does. I didn't say otherwise. But the way Microsoft set things up, any way you see it, you're really getting screwed if you get a Retard Pack.

The only person who wouldn't get screwed by the Retard Pack (assuming you can use your computer's HD for storage), is a casual player who wouldn't want to play on Live or in HD and didn't care about a wireless controller.

And I don't think that kind of person would be on GAF.

 

[Vennt]

Well, being European I have no interest in HD for obvious reasons, Wireless Controllers sound nice but I can live without them, and if the HDD isn't standard nor required then I'm not sure even *why* I want one on the console yet, and despite owning an Xbox for over a year not a single title has tempted me onto Live yet.

So, given the above, you think this makes me a retard if I chose to get a "Retard Pack" and save myself a fair bit of cash?

I don't think it does, I mean hell, I may well be a retard (I get called one often enough ), but not for choosing the core pack.

 

[DarienA]

And I don't think that kind of person would be on GAF.

Not everyone in the GAF gaming forum is a "hardcore" gamer, hell I tend not to take my PS2 or Xbox online.

 

[----]

Network and usb storage will never happen because MS doesn't want people running game code off of hardware they have no control over. Major Nelson said they can't allow usb storage because USB devices use all different kinds of file structures. I don't know if I buy that. The Xbox 360 would create the folders and file structure itself. 100mbit network connection would definitely be slow compared to a HDD, but 480mbit USB2 connection would be okay.

MS wants to take a tight fisted approach to storage after what happened with the xbox modding this gen. That is why they are using all proprietary memory storage. You cannot replace the HDD in the xbox 360 with an off the shelf HDD, you can only use a HDD manufactured by MS. Same for the memory unit. Modders and hackers may be able to get the USB ports open and running game code off of USB storage, but I think MS will fight that tooth and nail.

 

[ChrisReid]

Okay so let's see... Suppose you ditch the 20gb harddrive and want to use your PC's harddrive instead, opting for the Retard Pack. But then, if you want to play your games in HD and play on Xbox Live, that means you'd have to buy the HD Cables and headset separately... let's add it up:

Retard Pack: $300
Headset: $20
HD Cables: $40

Total: $360

Aren't you better off coughing the additional $40 and get: a 20gb harddrive, a wireless controller, an ethernet cable and a media remote?

Either way you look at it, the Retard Pack still remains a Retard Pack.

Yeah, it's obvious Microsoft worked long and hard to ensure the Retard Pack is only for Retards.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

Network and usb storage will never happen because MS doesn't want people running game code off of hardware they have no control over. Major Nelson said they can't allow usb storage because USB devices use all different kinds of file structures. I don't know if I buy that. The Xbox 360 would create the folders and file structure itself. 100mbit network connection would definitely be slow compared to a HDD, but 480mbit USB2 connection would be okay.

MS wants to take a tight fisted approach to storage after what happened with the xbox modding this gen. That is why they are using all proprietary memory storage. You cannot replace the HDD in the xbox 360 with an off the shelf HDD, you can only use a HDD manufactured by MS. Same for the memory unit. Modders and hackers may be able to get the USB ports open and running game code off of USB storage, but I think MS will fight that tooth and nail.

That sounds like the samba shit I can do with XBMC. I don't think you get game code to travel that fast for game to run smoothly. It'll be like GC shit with the game running thru the network adapter

 

[The Faceless Master]

Network and usb storagge will never happen because MS doesn't want people running game code off of hardware they have no control over. Major Nelson said they can't allow usb storage because USB devices use all different kinds of file structures. I don't know if I buy that. The Xbox 360 would create the folders and file structure itself. 100mbit network connection would definitely be slow compared to a HDD, but 480mbit USB2 connection would be okay.

MS wants to take a tight fisted approach to storage after what happened with the xbox modding this gen. That is why they are using all proprietary memory storage. You cannot replace the HDD in the xbox 360 with an off the shelf HDD, you can only use a HDD manufactured by MS. Same for the memory unit. Modders and hackers may be able to get the USB ports open and running game code off of USB storage, but I think MS will fight that tooth and nail.

that's a moot point really... as soon as someone cracks open the 180, then USB storage will be wide open and available for them to do whatever they want... probably including running games from USB... hell the 180 already has full support for reading music and pictures (and maybe video) from UMS devices so there isn't even much work to be done from that angle, all that needs to be done is some old fashioned cracking... now of course, the initial cracking would be the big hurdle, and i'm sure MS has gone above and beyond what they did this gen to protect their new baby, especially after seeing what slip-ups have done with the PSP... it only takes one weak link to get in, and people out there will be looking for the weakest link from launch, hell, from days before launch, those guys probably get them straight from distributors...

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

that's a moot point really... as soon as someone cracks open the 180, then USB storage will be wide open and available for them to do whatever they want... probably including running games from USB... hell the 180 already has full support for reading music and pictures (and maybe video) from UMS devices so there isn't even much work to be done from that angle, all that needs to be done is some old fashioned cracking... now of course, the initial cracking would be the big hurdle, and i'm sure MS has gone above and beyond what they did this gen to protect their new baby, especially after seeing what slip-ups have done with the PSP... it only takes one weak link to get in, and people out there will be looking for the weakest link from launch, hell, from days before launch, those guys probably get them straight from distributors...

Actually, USB becomes a bottleneck, it can hope to attain the speeds the memory in the 360 480Mbps vs 22.4 GB/s main memory bandwidth, 256 GB/s to eDRAM, 21.6 GB/s FSB

 

[----]

Whats the speed of the Serial ATA drive?

Is it 1,200Mbit/s?


What's the speed of the 64MB memory unit?

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

Whats the speed of the Serial ATA drive?

for that price, at the least it better have 16MB in cache and 7200RPM

 

[sangreal]

for that price, at the least it better have 16MB in cache and 7200RPM

the xbox 360 drive is 5400rpm 2mb cache

(assuming that is what you are talking about. I didn't really read the thread)

 

[Argyle]

Okay so let's see... Suppose you ditch the 20gb harddrive and want to use your PC's harddrive instead, opting for the Retard Pack. But then, if you want to play your games in HD and play on Xbox Live, that means you'd have to buy the HD Cables and headset separately... let's add it up:

Retard Pack: $300
Headset: $20
HD Cables: $40

Total: $360

Aren't you better off coughing the additional $40 and get: a 20gb harddrive, a wireless controller, an ethernet cable and a media remote?

Either way you look at it, the Retard Pack still remains a Retard Pack.

In an ideal world, I would buy the no-longer-so-retarded pack, because I already have a perfectly fine headset for my Xbox, and I have perfectly fine component cables for my Xbox.

But, this is MS we are talking about, so I'd definitely have to buy a new video cable, and possibly would have to buy a new headset.

 

[----]

the xbox 360 drive is 5400rpm 2mb cache

(assuming that is what you are talking about. I didn't really read the thread)

If that's true that's really crappy but I was trying to find out the bandwidth speeds of SATA to see if you could successfully transfer data from a USB device, not looking for the data access speeds.

I can't believe they're charging $100 for 2MB of cache and 5400rpm that can't be right. Just about any USB HDD can do those data access speeds.

 

[sangreal]

If that's true that's really crappy but I was trying to find out the bandwidth speeds to transfer data from a USB device, not looking for the data access speeds.

I can't believe they're charging $100 for 2MB of cache and 5400rpm that can't be right. Just about any USB HDD can do those data access speeds.

Yeah, I know what you meant. I tried to find that info the other day, but it doesn't seem to be available.

Here is the product sheet for the drive, which says its 5400rpm 2mb: http://www.seagate.com/content/docs/pdf/marketing/PO-LD25.pdf

 

[Dr_Cogent]

Okay so let's see... Suppose you ditch the 20gb harddrive and want to use your PC's harddrive instead, opting for the Retard Pack. But then, if you want to play your games in HD and play on Xbox Live, that means you'd have to buy the HD Cables and headset separately... let's add it up:

Retard Pack: $300
Headset: $20
HD Cables: $40

Total: $360

Aren't you better off coughing the additional $40 and get: a 20gb harddrive, a wireless controller, an ethernet cable and a media remote?

Either way you look at it, the Retard Pack still remains a Retard Pack.

I don't give a shit about HD.

Also, isn't the existing headset supposed to work with the 360? If so, don't need that crap either.

 

[The Faceless Master]

Actually, USB becomes a bottleneck, it can hope to attain the speeds the memory in the 360 480Mbps vs 22.4 GB/s main memory bandwidth, 256 GB/s to eDRAM, 21.6 GB/s FSB

what are you talking about?

it only has to be as fast as the dvdrom drive!

12x DVDROM = 132.98Mbps (and thats only at the outside of the disk)

it's already ahead by a country mile

I don't give a shit about HD.

Also, isn't the existing headset supposed to work with the 360? If so, don't need that crap either.

IIRC, it works (as does any headset with that jack), but there's no volume dial...

but hey, that was old info from E3, so who knows now!!!