Tracking was perfect the first couple days (putting controllers in controllers etc. Now it's kind of fucked. Anyone else seeing this? The base stations say they have an update if I go into the firmware update page but won't update via bluetooth. I think bluetooth is just messed up in general. Tried to update manually (manual update is a nightmare) but they aren't automatically updating like the instructions say they will. All of my issues seemed to start when I installed the HTC software to pair my phone. Probably should just uninstall all of that and turn off bluetooth.
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I've been having issues with the tracking too, seems to be totally random. Maybe Bluetooth is the culprit as I've had it enabled as well, haven't tried turning it off yet.
At first I thought it was the reflections from my TV and/or windows, so I put a cover over the TV and pulled all the curtains down - this seemed to fix everything at first, but today my tracking messed up again and I haven't touched anything since. Was able to fix it by recalibrating, but it's annoying having to keep doing that.
They should turn off almost immediately after exiting Steam VR. But you need Bluetooth enabled - with it off they will not auto shut down.
Now they have a free shipping option? That's pretty annoying since the only choice was $30 until a few days ago.
I'd take that $30 option. The only I had was 75.
Second time I've heard of frame rate problems with a 3570k - job simulator seems to push it too. You'd think it would be fine, especially if overclocked. But maybe it's time to start putting the pennies away toward an upgrade. Annoying because the motherboard is a dead end so it means a CPU/motherboard/ram swap
Wonder if swapping in a 3770k would help?
I'm also wondering if there is a good way to reduce the things running in the background when I'm going to use VR. Can I just make a second user and turn all that off, or is it more involved? Like disabling my plex server, teamviewer and various other background tasks.
DOT DASH DOT
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I can't even bring myself to go on Steam and look, just be taunting myself.
Sorry, I wanted to join but I was busy. I did try Altspace earlier though and it was pretty crazy. If you do another I will try to join.
DOT DASH DOT
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I do hope it's ok with a 3770K especially as mine is 4.6ghz, I flatlined on the Steam test at 11 so it must be.
wanderingprostheyltite what did you score on the test?
Not for a veeerrry long time.
cyberheater
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Companies have already demonstrated VR streaming tech. It won't be that long.
DOT DASH DOT
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Is there any good benchmark sites showing how high levels of MSAA affects frame rate in VR?
Yeah, and if these sell really well that'll incentivize putting more funding into R&D for that tech.
Bboy AJ
My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
What's that wire for, anyway? I don't see why it couldn't be wireless, unless it's something really special.
The extreme amounts of data transferred back-and-forth combined with the sensitivity of dropping some data and/or a slight lag spike (nausea city) makes it difficult to accomplish. It all has to be done within a few milliseconds and it has be totally reliable.
2160x1200x90 is a lot of pixels to send over wireless.
I think there are several big choices to be taken for second/third gen headsets
- wireless. Very important but means extra weight for batteries and may limit resolution because of bandwidth required. Also needs latency mitigation - could be possible to put some local processing on board for motion prediction and asynchronous timewarp to help mask latency but that adds more cost and weight. Possibly foveated rendering plus onboard compositing could help reduce bandwidth requirements too
- resolution. 4K per eye would be nice but that impacts both the ability to go wireless and we don't have GPUs to drive that. GPUs are due a nice performance bump in the next couple of years with smaller processes and architecture changes. That, plus decent VR SLI, plus foveated rendering may bridge that performance gap.
So ideally we'd have on our shopping list
- 4K per eye
- better lenses for reduced glare
- eye tracking for foveated rendering
- wireless
- onboard processing to handle timewarp and foveated compositing
Combined with an SLI 2017 14nm GPU
There are not so many devices that are able to properly and flawless stream HD 3d video content wireless in house (not even talking about their prices). Add on top the necessity of having a stable 90 fps and the amount of data needed to be transmitted for tracking purposes and you will see why a good consumer wireless HMD is not going to be here that soon.
I thought yesterday that the automatic sleep mode on the lighthouses wasn't working since the kept on running, but clearly there's just a bit of hysteresis thresholding built in - they do turn off after some minutes.
Anyway, I hate myself for not plugging in the controllers to recharge yesterday. Someone need to sell a spiffy controller charging cradle.
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As per the above, do give it a few minutes after turning off SteamVR (and of course you have to enable Bluetooth in the settings).
Anyway, I hate myself for not plugging in the controllers to recharge yesterday. Someone need to sell a spiffy controller charging cradle.
Heh.
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Interesting you'd post that right now, I didn't see your post before I wrote mine
As per the above, do give it a few minutes after turning off SteamVR (and of course you have to enable Bluetooth in the settings).
I thought yesterday that the automatic sleep mode on the lighthouses wasn't working since the kept on running, but clearly there's just a bit of hysteresis thresholding built in - they do turn off after some minutes.
Anyway, I hate myself for not plugging in the controllers to recharge yesterday. Someone need to sell a spiffy controller charging cradle.
Heh.
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Interesting you'd post that right now, I didn't see your post before I wrote mine
As per the above, do give it a few minutes after turning off SteamVR (and of course you have to enable Bluetooth in the settings).
I just tried it again and it worked at first try. The second I hit quit in SteamVR they went into standby mode. I'm glad I didn't spend several hours last night troubleshooting it because it seems like quite a lot of features in SteamVR are coming in hot in true Valve sense.
Are there cad files for the vive controllers? Maybe you could use the 3D models they use for games to get the shape for the bottom part, then stick a male micro USB port in there and wire it to a couple of metal prongs on the bottom so you can put it in a charging dock. Maybe convert a ps move charging dock which I assume is set up to provide 2x 5v
Yes. Not having to worry about leaving some arbitrary cone while exploring VR is fantastic. Sure, you are still limited by room boundaries, but a room floor to ceiling in 360° is still incomparably more satisfying compared to a cone which always immediately reminds you (by way of wonky or lost tracking) not to look into the wrong direction while performing the wrong movement.
Together with tracked motion controllers (which also have amazing build quality by the way) it's a game-changer. As in, it literally changes the way we experience games.
Can't you charge the controllers while playing, through the headset usb port?
Bboy AJ
My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
Man, sounds like a pita to set up. I don't even know where I'll put my light houses. My walls are marble tiling and floor to ceiling glass. Maybe I'll get a stand but damn that's ugly af. I don't want it invading my area. Hmm.
I can understand the setup taking a while, but they're pretty discreet boxes. You could probably wrap them in white vinyl (except the front) to help them blend in, and route wires behind the wall
Your room does sound like it might be challenging though - lots of reflections
Your room does sound like it might be challenging though - lots of reflections
Bboy AJ
My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
Do they need to be plugged into anything but a power outlet?
No. The only requirement other than that is that they have an unobstructed line of sight of each other.
flashburn2012
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Damn, do you live in a palace or something?
You don't even want to go there.
flashburn2012
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Why, is there a green carpet?
Guardian Monkey
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Cool thanks for the info. I looked it up after you told me about this and was able to find the instructions.
Well, this will sound stupid, but the battery isn't running out, right?
Nah, just charged them.
Guardian Monkey
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You have gone into the steam vr setting menu and resynced them?
Where...?
Guardian Monkey
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one minute let me look. I did it yesterday
Yeah, this worked for me when I first set up the Vive and one of the controllers didn't want to get green no matter where it was.
Guardian Monkey
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Ok you know the steam vr box that shows the headset, controllers and base stations hit the down arrow by steam vr. select devices. select pair controllers
OK, gonna try now
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Does the headset have selectable refresh rate modes or is that all done on stream vrs side automatically? I have heard people changing mirroring off or something. I just was wondering.
Windlands needs better controls. There is a great game under the bad controls that is being overlooked. It feels like the devs have completely ignored how controlling games with a steam controller works and its it's actually to the detriment of the game.
First up, normal locomotion is a mess. The game uses the left touchpad to move, which is uncomfortable but even more so because they use it like an iphone screen - just touching the pad results in movement. This is terrible! They need the "require click" option that steam controllers have to turn the left touchpad into a d-pad. Preferably, they should also employ some sort of teleportation mechanic too.
Second, they need to use the haptics in someway. The game is entirely devoid of haptic feedback. Haptic feedback on the steam controller is what makes the left pad give weight to both analog and requires click dpads. Right now I have no tactile feedback while moving, and that makes things so much harder.
Thirdly, using the shoulder buttons to jump feels awful, doubly so when both track pad buttons are unused. Why am I being forced to use the hard to reach shoulder buttons to jump when my right thumb is naturally resting on a huge, unused button (the right touchpad)? It makes no sense.
Windlands has an amazing swinging mechanic, but its bogged down in some terrible normal controls. I hope this game gets a patch because I can see a ton of people getting turned off by the crappy controls.
First up, normal locomotion is a mess. The game uses the left touchpad to move, which is uncomfortable but even more so because they use it like an iphone screen - just touching the pad results in movement. This is terrible! They need the "require click" option that steam controllers have to turn the left touchpad into a d-pad. Preferably, they should also employ some sort of teleportation mechanic too.
Second, they need to use the haptics in someway. The game is entirely devoid of haptic feedback. Haptic feedback on the steam controller is what makes the left pad give weight to both analog and requires click dpads. Right now I have no tactile feedback while moving, and that makes things so much harder.
Thirdly, using the shoulder buttons to jump feels awful, doubly so when both track pad buttons are unused. Why am I being forced to use the hard to reach shoulder buttons to jump when my right thumb is naturally resting on a huge, unused button (the right touchpad)? It makes no sense.
Windlands has an amazing swinging mechanic, but its bogged down in some terrible normal controls. I hope this game gets a patch because I can see a ton of people getting turned off by the crappy controls.
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