If somebody cant justify spending ONE dollar, then they probably have more pressing things to do than play video games. Lets not pretend this is a real argument.
Humble Bundle Weekly: Team 17 (lots of Worms) - Now impossible to share keys
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Yeah, how dare poor people want to enjoy their time.
You've managed to come off as a giant cunt by being the one to suggest people support charity. Congratulations, that's an accomplishment.
cicero
Member
Actually, it IS different because my purchases are apparently still tied to a specific Steam account now. How is THAT not different? I still could have BTA and given either code away or used them. The whole reason they switched to individual keys was because people RESPONDED and complained about it. So now they basically negate that beneficial move to tie individual activation codes to a specific account, not allowing you to activate them if you already own the game? How precious of them. This is potentially even more restrictive than having 1 Key.
Again though, this is a Bundle that was created with a specific Anti-DRM mentality, and now they are pushing their own specific DRM approach to their bundles. Why offer the same type of restrictions and reasoning used by companies pushing specific pro-DRM solutions?
Yeah, unless I'm mistaken and one of them hasn't been just steam (or origin for the one bundle) keys. The only exception was a few weeks ago the Neighbors from Hell game did not have a steam key because it was still in the greenlight process for steam. My guess is that a lot of companies wanted to work with humble bundles but the process of removing DRM or creating a linux/mac version was just not worth the time and money to do, so rather than sully the DRM free humble bundle, the weekly bundle was born.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
This is what happens if you try to redeem a game you already have...
First corporations were people. Now Steam accounts?
I don't think it was an abuse of the system to give your keys to others. If I already own a game and I buy another copy that comes with the bundle, should I just leave it there? I own it. I should be free to do with it what I please.
I think it has more to do with people selling keys rather than giving them away
BasilZero
Member
Oh lol, dont give them ideas D:
They don't know either with the gift option, unless that option also changed today.
The idea that this is bad because some people cant afford to spend one dollar is not an argument. Thats my point.
Not sure the insults are necessary man. I didnt realize some people were treating this that seriously....
TouchMyBox
Member
Sounds good to me.
The loss of the keys will affect future purchases to be sure as often I would be the one to purchase a bundle and share it amongst friends, usually those in the military who couldn't do so themselves at the time, and they simply pay me back.
It was quite handy, it got more bundles sold, and more games got played. Now? I'm not going to waste my money for one specific title and have others put on an account I'll never install. It's a personal mindset issue I know, but I don't like having clutter or the idea of games I'll never play.
It was quite handy, it got more bundles sold, and more games got played. Now? I'm not going to waste my money for one specific title and have others put on an account I'll never install. It's a personal mindset issue I know, but I don't like having clutter or the idea of games I'll never play.
Why should they be able to stop someone from selling something they own?
Rawket Lawnchair
Member
New system sucks.
You dont have to add any of the games to your library if you dont want.
You shouldnt, but when you are selling something at a discounted price for charity only see people taking advantage of this by reselling to people at full price based on their ignorance, then you should be ale to do something about it from that point forward
cicero
Member
Right. Despite there having been numerous comments in the Steam or Giveaway threads by people on aging computers or who might have no money who have asked for help or responded to gifts with thanks, suddenly this no longer is a legitimate reason, but only mere pretense.
I love the gall of your unfounded condescending assumptions. Apparently those legitimate reasons don't count and are mere pretense. Apparently my personal gift of multiple spare codes for games I already owned to someone I knew who was having their home repossessed didn't count. People speak of ENTITLEMENT thinking while dismissing the potential legitimate issues and situations of others as not being relevant or real... Bravo!
They shouldn't punish everyone because of the actions of some, and regardless of any of that, if you paid for a product you should be able to do with it what you want.
WAR recon zero
Banned
i'm confused. did they remove the gift option? why is people bitching?
cicero
Member
No. It has been around for at least a couple of months now.
Incidentally, this should raise the BTA for every week now since people aren't going to be buying multiple 1 dollar keys to share
Theres no BTA anymore, lately it has been the shitty 6 dollar limit.
Stubborn, ridiculous nonsense. We're talking about a dollar here. A candy bar. A 4 pack of chicken nuggets. The change under the couch cushions.
Its nice to be able to gift this to people in absolute poverty that cant afford this, but looking at the bigger picture and how great these humble bundle offers are still, I think its insane to complain.
Because when people buy a bundle that includes extras of things that they own already (or extras that they just don't want), they don't like being told that they can't give the extras away.
The price is not the issue its the principle.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
You have spent a lot more effort reminding people their complaints are ridiculous than any of the individual people who are complaining did to complain to begin with.
cicero
Member
Exactly. I had thought that this was the specific mindset of the DRM-Free Humble Bundle to begin with. Now we get what basically amounts to specific DRM by having them tie the Humble Bundle accounts/purchases to specific Steam accounts. Why not have a required Humble Client too? Or at the least, make sure the DRM-Free versions of games have specific activation limits tied to a specific computer, you know, to cut down on people illegitimately sharing games.
It used to be when you paid less than dollar (in the good old days)
I understand that and it's not really the issue here, just a minor complaint. The greater issue to me is still a personally dislike of buying games I will never pay, it is simply a waste to me mind even if it is all digital.
The greater issue still lies in the fact 90% of all bundle purchases I have done were part of a group of which we split the individual titles. Easily changing a title from "I would like it, but really not going to go out of my way to buy it" to "I'll buy it because my friends want the other games and that makes it worth the effort".
The important ones do anyway. Heaps of people still playing Armageddon.
The principle? We're talking about dirt cheap games with proceeds going to charity. I dont think there's a lot of room to complain.
Is there an an ideal ratio I should be aiming for?
I'll stop. I just cant believe people cant just suck it up and appreciate what theyre doing for us still.
IcyRhythms
Member
Are they just basically...idk...finished with sharing keys and DRM free versions?
cicero
Member
Again. You complain about entitlement thinking while condescendingly pretending that the issue isn't a real one. It is real, and I find your curt dismissal of it quite stubbornly illogical. They are a site with an initial hard focus on DRM-Free gaming that is now apparently requiring accounts/purchases to be tied to Steam accounts to deal with people selling codes. This is a pro-DRM focused "solution" to a problem from people who rejected such "solutions" previously and designed their bundle products specifically against those "solutions".
You are the only one being stubborn and ridiculous here.
eot
Banned
I think that this is how they are trying to stop resales of their games
Yeah, they can't have people using their charity bundles to engage in acts of charity.
It actually made several of us buy full Bundles to do giveaways ourselves as an act of giving back in thanks, while others started paying attention to bundles in the first place and purchased those later on.
Doug Heffernan
Member
Good.
This will stop the sleazy code resellers.
This will stop the sleazy code resellers.
Freeza Under The Shower
Member
looking at the sheer amount of people trying to profit from what is basically charity (for rich people, let's not play rhetorical games about 'being poor' here), I can understand this being done.
cicero
Member
You only include charity to give some kind of moral weight to your purchase. I give nothing to charity in Humble Bundles because I personally have always felt that if I am going to give to charity, I am going to specifically make the effort to give to charity, not as some kind of bonus to a game purchase which is my real intent. I also want to give to specific charities that have a boots on the ground effect with my money, and not charities that I personally find wasteful or ineffective, like the American Red Cross, or that focus on giving in specific ways I would rather have go towards emergency relief.
The "principle" being mentioned though is concerning CONTROL OF WHAT WE PURCHASE. They are using DRM to tie purchases to specific accounts as an apparent solution to people supposedly abusing the system. Why pretend it is anything other than a complete reversal of an anti-DRM focus? It is one thing to sell products that still have DRM attached at the end point on Steam, and quite another to tangle their customers up in DRM on their own end as well.
I appreciated them more when their actions didn't violate their own supposed pro-consumer focus. I appreciated them more when they weren't tying my purchases to a specific Steam account. The idea that everyone should remain silent and loyal while they engage in what amounts to hypocrisy in an effort to "solve" a problem in a pro-DRM fashion is pathetic. I support and demand pro-consumer solutions because it benefits us all. I don't sit around requiring silence in response while defending hypocrisy and restrictions on how I can use the products I actually buy because the products still have some value.
Lord British
Member
Honestly, I love it. It includes all the original levels as unlockables (with the original music) and the new stages slot in perfectly. 48 levels in all, with hidden secrets to find. It's really good.