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Hurricane Katrina Thread: Any LA Gaffers?
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TheKingsCrown
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This situation is incredibly...incredibly frustrating.
The Chosen One
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Usually it's a slight exaggeration when they say a city has been wiped off the map. However looking at the footage of Waveland, that's no exaggeration. The town is literally off the face of the earth as if an A-Bomb went off.
What's ironic is that terrorist couldn't hope to even do 2% of the amount of damage and devastation that Hurricane Katrina did. Kind of puts things in perspective.
Btw, where does Phoenix live since he's able to house all those refugees?
What's ironic is that terrorist couldn't hope to even do 2% of the amount of damage and devastation that Hurricane Katrina did. Kind of puts things in perspective.
Btw, where does Phoenix live since he's able to house all those refugees?
Tommie Hu$tle
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The Chosen One said:
Atlanta
TheKingsCrown
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I am still having a very very hard time understanding where the resources of the most powerful nation in the world are in response to this disaster.
Razoric said:
saying "suburban white kids" wasn't meant to be a race implication, but rather a simplified way of identifying a class of people who happen to be predominantly white and live in the suburbs. I could have said "kids from middle and upper middle class families who grow up in the suburbs with little exposure to dangerous real life situations", but I figured by saying "suburban white kids" the point would get across much faster.
I'm sorry the usage confused you.
Tommie Hu$tle
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TheKingsCrown said:
The most powerful nation can't make a 7 mile bridge in 2 days. Nor can the most powerful nation in the world clear the debris in the Gulf of Mexico to float in, nor does the most powerful nation in the world have a mass teleporter.
Now then explain to the class how you can travel in a cities (remember the destruction spans 3 states ) with no roads or airports?
TheKingsCrown
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Explain to me why the most powerful nation in the world can create jets that travel faster than the speed of sound, yet the most powerful nation in the world can't use those jets to drop large amounts of food around the superdome and/or other giant refugee facilities in the New Orleans area so that people aren't dying or tortured. Why can't the most powerful nation in the world drop food on the roofs of people which they can't currently evacuate? Or water? Or just drop food and water everywhere so that people have at least a chance, rather than a condemnation...no, a time obligation to die. Explain to me that...since at this point I could probably pilot a plane that could drop a piece of food to one person, or to a family of f'ing people that MIGHT be saved by my actions. Is that not enough to take the action first place? Do not statistics tell us that with food, people have a better chance of surviving than without it? Should we not attack this area with resources in the hope that one, or 10, or 100, or 500 people might survive? It is so incredibly frustrating.
How hard is it to understand that the region's infrastructure is severly fucked. Federal resources have been mobilized, but it's gonna take time. It's not like they can mobilize convoys into the heart of this disaster in a matter of hours. Honestly, some of you guys are really dense. Just look at the video regarding Wayland, Miss. It does show a National Guard convoy trying to make it's way in and it looks like they are having a lot of difficulties doing so.TheKingsCrown said:
TheKingsCrown
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What the hell are you talking about? NO matter what, it is still better than no food whatsoever. And you think those people would do that? You think that if we kept constant supplies, that the psychological state of those people would not change and they would not offer food to those who needed it? The reason that situation is happening is because EVERYONE is in survival mode. They don't know if they will live. If we guarantee that they will live, we guarantee that lives will be saved by our actions.
I'm sick to death of the fucking scum that's still left in New Orleans, and the many who are here with me in Baton Rouge that make Louisiana look so bad.
First off, I hate NO the city, I always have, it's always been a human circus, it's disgusting and a farm for crime and trash.
We try to help these mutherfuckers, and now we have litterally houdreds upon houndreds of stolen cars off the lots in NO, with thugs looting here in BR now.
They are looting stores, homes, drivers anything they can, why ? I guess they feel they have nothing left to lose.
Dont feel sorry for the useless fucks who are physically able tpo leave NO last week, they had 2 full days to leave, and ordered to leave, but didn't.
The sick and elderly I feel sorry for, I really do, but the 20-40 years old malesthat stayed were planning on looting, it's not an accident. It's typical NO scumfucks.
Our piece of shit governor is a dumbass delcaring that ALL looting must stop now!!
Fuck her, allow the police to help distribute food inside the city to those who need it, but fend off the real looters.
The ones stopping the rescue missions because they are stupid enough to shoot at police, ambulances, rescue helicopters and such when caught or identified later from video should be tried for some type of negligant homicide for thier contributions to fucking up the rescue efforts leaving many to drown inside thier attic.
And the scum that blame and shout at the rescuers for not helping them, are absolute fucking STUPID!!!!!!
They were ordered to leave, they had 3 days to do so, but were to dumb to go, there were city buses and such escorting those out who wanted to get to the dome.
I dont blame the poilce for not stopping and helping those wading in knee deep water, when further in the city there are sick and eldrly who need help now, and simply had no choice.
Leave it to the trash in NO to take the actions and place blame on thier ignorance, and ill fated plans, the gov helped them as much as they could at every possible turn.
In fact even the media told the outright truth about just how strong they expected this storm to be without creating a panic, yet they still stayed.
First off, I hate NO the city, I always have, it's always been a human circus, it's disgusting and a farm for crime and trash.
We try to help these mutherfuckers, and now we have litterally houdreds upon houndreds of stolen cars off the lots in NO, with thugs looting here in BR now.
They are looting stores, homes, drivers anything they can, why ? I guess they feel they have nothing left to lose.
Dont feel sorry for the useless fucks who are physically able tpo leave NO last week, they had 2 full days to leave, and ordered to leave, but didn't.
The sick and elderly I feel sorry for, I really do, but the 20-40 years old malesthat stayed were planning on looting, it's not an accident. It's typical NO scumfucks.
Our piece of shit governor is a dumbass delcaring that ALL looting must stop now!!
Fuck her, allow the police to help distribute food inside the city to those who need it, but fend off the real looters.
The ones stopping the rescue missions because they are stupid enough to shoot at police, ambulances, rescue helicopters and such when caught or identified later from video should be tried for some type of negligant homicide for thier contributions to fucking up the rescue efforts leaving many to drown inside thier attic.
And the scum that blame and shout at the rescuers for not helping them, are absolute fucking STUPID!!!!!!
They were ordered to leave, they had 3 days to do so, but were to dumb to go, there were city buses and such escorting those out who wanted to get to the dome.
I dont blame the poilce for not stopping and helping those wading in knee deep water, when further in the city there are sick and eldrly who need help now, and simply had no choice.
Leave it to the trash in NO to take the actions and place blame on thier ignorance, and ill fated plans, the gov helped them as much as they could at every possible turn.
In fact even the media told the outright truth about just how strong they expected this storm to be without creating a panic, yet they still stayed.
Theyre saying people in the superdome have absolutely no food or water left. I dont fucking understand this. Im reasonable, but its been a few days- I simply dont understand why these airdrops arent happening. Are there not the resources? Im sure there are. Theres no reason why there has not been several tons of food delivered there from air by now. Logistics? Im sure theres ways. How long does it take to get a couple chinook helicopters there?
And what the hell is this about sniper fire?
And what the hell is this about sniper fire?
WedgeX said:
wouldn't that be better than no food supply at all?
people are dying of thirst on the side of the road, surrounded by water that they can't drink. old people are starting to die now as well. it is thursday and conditions have not improved AT ALL. it is starting to get crazy.
edit//the news people should be able to pan around these populated areas and see national guard troops assembled... the new orleans residents can wade through the city, but our guard troops can't? if nessecary, they should be walking in on foot or paratrooping in.. the excuse of everything being difficult to access became stale and fake, sometime yesterday.
TheKingsCrown
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This situation in New Orleans is DIFFERENT from Wayland. New Orleans is still there, it is just sunk. I wouldn't give a shit if there weren't people there. But there ARE poor people there, people still stuck on roofs and in attics. And it is for this reason...it is for the worth that one saved life will bring, that we must rain resources upon this area, that we must rain efforts upon this area. I defy anyone to argue that one life being saved is not worth the pennies in our pockets, the emptying of our bank accounts. This truth is what should theoretically run the world in these situations, but it simply doesn't. Essentially, what truly concerns me here is the speed at which the U.S. government has constructed its rescue resources. It is very very concerning.
TheKingsCrown said:
Food and supplys have been nonstop, so what are you talking about ?
For the most part the people that stayed behind that aren't handicapped or elderly/sick were planning on the town being empty to loot all they wanted.
Or do you thing the most powerfull nation in the world should airdrop TV's, DVD players, Nike shoes and Tshirts to make them happy as well ?
Tommie Hu$tle
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TheKingsCrown said:
And who is going to manage the orderly handing out of said resources? What do you think would happen if they dropped 200,000 bottles of Aquafina on the superdome without a dispersal plan. Remember the vast majority of authorities don't have radio communications at this point.
TheKingsCrown said:
You may have missed the whole looters are shooting at helicopters thing. Unless you want it to get real Fallujah real fast they can either kill the looters and save the people or save the people and risk the helicopter going down. What do you do?
TheKingsCrown said:
I agree it's frustrating but, you are looking at a total infrastructure failure. The first bit of aid is showing up now. Unfortunately it is too late for many especially the sick and elderly but, this is what we got.
Raoul Duke said:
If only you weren't joking.
What makes you think they haven't done anything? Like I said before, it's gonna take time. I don't care how much money you throw at the problem. It isn't gonna make it any easier to get into heart of the disaster area when the region's infrastructure is obliterated. Hard to get to places when there are no roads.quin said:
Laguna X said:
Damn right, dude I live here in Baton rouge, and there are food supplys and shelters for these people all over this town.
the hurrican didn't just sink NO, it destroyed almost all roadside trees, and there's debris everywhere.
Choppers cant come in now for fear of sniping, the looters with guns are litterally halting all help at the moment, that's why the military is on the way in.
'Right now, I'm sitting at this airstrip in Baton Rouge waiting for a helicopter that is coming to evacuate infants. But they are indefinitely delayed because they think it is too dangerous to go in there and land a helicopter and bring these infants to Houston.
Indefinitely delayed? Till when? Till they capture all the looters/armed people? Fucking ridiculous. They're that scared for their own asses? Of course theres risk involved, but they should do the damn job, not condemn hundreds/thousands of people because of these risks.
Indefinitely delayed? Till when? Till they capture all the looters/armed people? Fucking ridiculous. They're that scared for their own asses? Of course theres risk involved, but they should do the damn job, not condemn hundreds/thousands of people because of these risks.
Laguna X said:
the new orleans residents are managing just fine walking around the city up to their hips in sewage/water. The national guard is part of the army.. taking risks is their job. parachutes, helicopter drops, boats and simply walking in all seem better than waiting for a perfect solution. if people start shooting at them?? well getting shot at is part of their job description.
it seems like the current relief effort is handcuffed by an over reliance on doctrine.. they aren't thinking outside the box, or if they are, they aren't doing it fast enough.
i'm trying not to be overly critical, because obviously too many of the initial response was purley rescue types... i guess they didn't anticipate needing an armed response. but it's pretty obvious that when a major metropolitan area gets demiloshed that things will go south pretty quickly. It's the job of the people in the think tanks to realize things like this and set up their plans with these things in mind.
dskillzhtown
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These snipers are just amazing to me. WTF are they thinking? Why attack a medical convoy? I know that it is probably just a handful of people doing this shit, but they are really fucking it up for the masses. If anyone can make me understand why anyone would think that is a good idea, please do.
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ToxicAdam said:
Fortunately, if there is anything fortunate about it, those towns are relatively small and many of those people know they have to get out. I've got 2 Bay St. Louis residents living with me now but I know of 2 for certain who stayed - relatives that unless something miraculous happened may be dead now.
VisionaryQuest0
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dskillzhtown said:
Well you see, the reason for all of this is uh...well...uh...
yeah I got nothing.
Lord Error
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Where does SSX live exactly in relation to this affected region? He's not from New Orleans, right?
DJ Sl4m said:
Non-stop? If you say so.
There is absolutely nobody in control. There is no National Guard, no police, no information to be had.
The convention center is next to the Mississippi River. Many people who are sleeping there feel that a boat is going to come and get them. Or they think a bus is going to come. But no buses have come. No boats have come. They think water is going come. No water has come. And they have no food.
As we drove by, people screamed out to us -- "Do you have water? Do you have food? Do you have any information for us?"
We had none of those.
Probably the most disturbing thing is that people at the convention center are starting to pass away and there is simply nothing to do with their bodies. There is nowhere to put them. There is no one who can do anything with them. This is making everybody very, very upset.
Reported today.
VisionaryQuest0
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Yeah, 250,000 people decided to stick around just to loot. {rollseyes}
Krowley said:
That's very easy to say, unless you've lived through a hurricane that creates such wild damage.
Walking around stagnent, posinous, water filled with dead poeple, toxic chemical leaks, a shark or 2, lots of gators is certainly not managing fine.
Keep in mind that calling up troops was approved already, but it's not a superfast process when all the local troops are scattered all over south US trying to avoid what just happened. Then there's the whole shortage of troops with the Iraq conflict going on.
The first out to help were all local, Bush gave the go ahead for whatever rescorces were needed before Katrina hit land, but the roads in were either all blocked with trees and powerlines, or long bridges that were utterly destroyed going into and out of the city.
keep in mind it's a sunken city and the superdome justso happens to be in the middle in a spot that's secluded on almost all sides from dry land to drive to.
About the only way there is by air, and if they bring introops by air, how affective will that be ?
massive drops in ereas that scatter all over a torn sunken city wont be much help unless the troops stick closer together.
Boats are going to be needed, lots of boats capable of hauling plenty of troops in at a time to secure the shooters for the air to be safe for the rescurers and supplydrops again.
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
Slurpy said:
IMO, the most disturbing thing is the snipers who are creating a war zone-like enviroment that is surely slowing down any relief efforts. That just makes no sense. I know you read about the people trying to evacuate the hospital, but had to tturn around because of the people shooting at the ambulances. So when those people die, you can't blame no anyone but these snipers. Why should these people have to dodge bullets? This is not Iraq, this is America and Americans are stopping people from getting relief. It's pathetic. It's pathetic that the army is going to have to come in and use battle skills to get help to people.
The Chosen One
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dskillzhtown said:
Well remember that they had to empty the prisons. So it's likely that these deranged convicts are causing these problems and not ordinary citizens. These guys have been locked up for years and there's little to no police enforcement, so I'm not surprised to hear that some of them are taking advantage of the situation.
Just wish we had more National Guard available and deployed...
Slurpy said:
Put the radio on any channel and you can hear about all the places to drop food, or send money and supplys.
I just left the JE Jacobs building on Essen lane and the entire first floor was covered and being sorted withh all kinds of supplies, and youknow it's not the only place.
wow 1 article from an isolated location that the thugs have hostage, you want me to finish this conversation with dozens of links to places used as shelters and places where they are gathering food and suppies for them ?
I know people are dying, I'm certaily not denying it, those snipers and looters with nothing but hate should be shot dead on site, and this would solve a huge part of the problem untill the troops are on site.
Laguna X said:
I'm not talking about the money, I'm talking about the readiness. Instead of getting better day by day it is getting worse everyday. It seems to me there is mass confusion throughout all of the agencys down there.
There was a report in Colorado here that showed that the money given by the government wasn't being used. It was just sitting there gathering dust. Of the money being used some of it was for gym sets for firehouses?!
Its sad to see that we have almost learned nothing from previous disasters
The Chosen One said:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/09/01/D8CBKA2G3.html
Idiots are ALREADY sceaming "POLICE STATE!" with that many National Guard being deployed. Hell, with the chaos there; they need the Army but again that would create such a shitstorm no one wants to deal with it.
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