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I accept Gays as people now
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Gek54 said:
I know a lot of gay people like that, unfortunately. It makes dating very hard
A lot of gay guys do just want to screw around, seemingly. I don't know if it's because they're young or what. I've read somewhere, though, that men in general are just programmed to put their dongs into as many places as possible. Monogamy isn't a natural state for men (women are programmed toward that, but not men). So perhaps that's just what happens when you put a bunch of men together who want to be with men - who cares about feelings, eh? It's all just fun...=/
Unfortunately (?) I have a strong monogamistic streak and am only interested in more traditional dating. But in raising the bar a bit, it cuts down on my "choices" a whole lot, from an already small pool. It's tough, and I can see why many might take a "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" stance.
Ned Flanders
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Effeminate, lispy gays drive me crazy!! It's like, does meatpumping a guy up the cornhole give you a speech impediment or..? I mean I bang chicks on the daily (ok thats bullshit, but anyway..) and I don't grab my balls and talk in a deep voice about football all the time. I just never understood the correlation.
One of my old roomates used to watch Springer every fucking day, and one of my favorite episodes featured a fat gay bearded hillbilly in overalls (seriously I couldn't make this up if I tried) having a faceoff with a prison-bitch-flaming gay guy. Cletus was spouting a doctrine of "you can be gay, but be a man", to which Joelonda responded with a multitude of finger snaps and neck swivels. In true Springer fashion the whole thing dissolved into a full-scale brawl, leaving all involved parties wild-eyed and dissheveled. It was epic television, but more importantly it showed how wide a spectrum of "gayness" existed. That hillbilly earned my respect when he spoke that day, but lost it immediately upon getting his ass whooped by Tommy Davidson in hotpants. Ah the memories...
One of my old roomates used to watch Springer every fucking day, and one of my favorite episodes featured a fat gay bearded hillbilly in overalls (seriously I couldn't make this up if I tried) having a faceoff with a prison-bitch-flaming gay guy. Cletus was spouting a doctrine of "you can be gay, but be a man", to which Joelonda responded with a multitude of finger snaps and neck swivels. In true Springer fashion the whole thing dissolved into a full-scale brawl, leaving all involved parties wild-eyed and dissheveled. It was epic television, but more importantly it showed how wide a spectrum of "gayness" existed. That hillbilly earned my respect when he spoke that day, but lost it immediately upon getting his ass whooped by Tommy Davidson in hotpants. Ah the memories...
gofreak said:I know a lot of gay people like that, unfortunately. It makes dating very hard
A lot of gay guys do just want to screw around, seemingly. I don't know if it's because they're young or what. I've read somewhere, though, that men in general are just programmed to put their dongs into as many places as possible. Monogamy isn't a natural state for men (women are programmed toward that, but not men). So perhaps that's just what happens when you put a bunch of men together who want to be with men - who cares about feelings, eh? It's all just fun...=/
Unfortunately (?) I have a strong monogamistic streak and am only interested in more traditional dating. But in raising the bar a bit, it cuts down on my "choices" a whole lot, from an already small pool. It's tough, and I can see why many might take a "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" stance.
So what you're saying is that being gay is every man's fantasy (casual sex, lots of sex, every day sex, sex, sex,sex). And why exactly should I dislike gays? Because they're doing what nature programmed men to do? The way I see is it's just women that slow us straight men down.
Oh and btw, fuck morality. Sex is not something anyone should be ashamed of having. I hate all these hypocrites who think that sex is morally bad but buying guns, supporting war, hunting defenseless animals etc etc etc is morally good.Ned Flanders said:
I don't know where it comes from, but I wouldn't judge it too quickly. If it's annoying, fair enough, but realise that they probably can't help it. I don't have it, but I've known one or two others since childhood who've always had it.
It's possibly useful to seperate sexual orientation from gender identity. Perhaps some of the more effiminate gay men out there tend to identify slightly more with the feminine (surprisingly enough!
). Gender identity is probably about as controllable as sexual orientation.Che said:So what you're saying is that being gay is every man's fantasy (casual sex, lots of sex, every day sex, sex, sex,sex). And why exactly should I dislike gays? Because they're doing what nature programmed men to do? The way I see is it's just women that slow us straight men down.
Well first off, as a gay man, I'm not saying you should dislike gay men. I'm just lamenting my current environment and the difficulties of finding someone to "go steady with" or even eventually "settle down with"
Sex isn't something to be ashamed of at all, but I know there can be a whole lot more to a relationship. I've been genuinely in love once before, and after that it's hard to settle for anything less =/gofreak said:I don't know where it comes from, but I wouldn't judge it too quickly. If it's annoying, fair enough, but realise that they probably can't help it. I don't have it, but I've known one or two others since childhood who've always had it.
It's possibly useful to seperate sexual orientation from gender identity. Perhaps some of the more effiminate gay men out there tend to identify slightly more with the feminine (surprisingly enough!
Well first off, as a gay man, I'm not saying you should dislike gay men. I'm just lamenting my current environment and the difficulties of finding someone to "go steady with" or even eventually "settle down with"
I was actually adressing to Gek54 through your reply. Yeah relashionships are also essential, but this demonization of sex and consequently gays is pissing me off.
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IMO, the reason straight men in general dislike flamboyant, sexually blunt gay men is because it reminds them of how pig-ish and obnoxious men can be when it comes to sex. These guys go completely unchecked, not hindered by any kind of mating rules.
How many Lohan threads have we seen where guys openly and graphically splooge over her pics compared to the opposite happening. Of course the ratio of male to female is off, but I still can't see many girls openly admitting to creaming over the latest Timberlake layout. There aren't any Fap threads started by a female ever in the history of GAF.
Whether straight or gay, men just tend to be more vocal about these kinds of things.
How many Lohan threads have we seen where guys openly and graphically splooge over her pics compared to the opposite happening. Of course the ratio of male to female is off, but I still can't see many girls openly admitting to creaming over the latest Timberlake layout. There aren't any Fap threads started by a female ever in the history of GAF.
Whether straight or gay, men just tend to be more vocal about these kinds of things.
What I believe is that the general image people have of the gay population is that of the stereotipical gay character. The fact is there are A LOT of gay people that go absolutely unnoticed and for personal experience i can say heterosexual people CANNOT realize are homosexual. That is why I try and believe more 'normal' gay people should try and help build a more clear and positive image of what being gay is about just by expressing their sexual preference and at the same time 'showing' heterosexuals that you can be gay and go trough life with moral and ethical values.
I for one also dislike the generally percieved gay scene myself and even think it usually develops in a harmful way to relate to people in most cases (groups of friends where everybody was in bed with everybody else, where you find there is an ongoing trama of sexual as well as emotional tension between the people involved and such), but this is also the case with heterosexual people also IMO. As far as the 'flamy' gay stereotype, it is just a subconcious way to get the attention of other potential partners that makes the individual act in an overly ovbious way.
Me being a gay guy I must say that what is more disturbing of all in the gay sence and something I always made a case in avoiding is being disrespectfull to other people in expressing my sexuality. The truth is that homosexuality is not well percieved in our society, and that some people find it offensive and disturbing, and it is important to understand that. I would NEVER hit or look at in an offensive way to a straight guy or a person that I know isn't homosexual. I am very discrete in expressing my affection to my love interests in public (i.e. I wouldnt kiss a guy on the street) and such, just because I realize some people might be disturbed by it.
I for one also dislike the generally percieved gay scene myself and even think it usually develops in a harmful way to relate to people in most cases (groups of friends where everybody was in bed with everybody else, where you find there is an ongoing trama of sexual as well as emotional tension between the people involved and such), but this is also the case with heterosexual people also IMO. As far as the 'flamy' gay stereotype, it is just a subconcious way to get the attention of other potential partners that makes the individual act in an overly ovbious way.
Me being a gay guy I must say that what is more disturbing of all in the gay sence and something I always made a case in avoiding is being disrespectfull to other people in expressing my sexuality. The truth is that homosexuality is not well percieved in our society, and that some people find it offensive and disturbing, and it is important to understand that. I would NEVER hit or look at in an offensive way to a straight guy or a person that I know isn't homosexual. I am very discrete in expressing my affection to my love interests in public (i.e. I wouldnt kiss a guy on the street) and such, just because I realize some people might be disturbed by it.
Che said:So what you're saying is that being gay is every man's fantasy (casual sex, lots of sex, every day sex, sex, sex,sex). And why exactly should I dislike gays? Because they're doing what nature programmed men to do? The way I see is it's just women that slow us straight men down.
No I disprove of their actions as I would if a heterosexual man was abusing drugs and sleeping around unportected when he has a girlfriend. Yes there are some heterosexual men that I know that share the same traits but they are VERY far and few inbetween. I am comfortable with my sexuality and I have no problem with men having sex with other men. Seing two guys makeout doesnt phase me. But from what I have seen, more times then most both men in a couple are sleeping around on each other. One was a prostitute keeping his boyfriend was in the dark. One has AIDS and has the 'F the world I dont care who I give it to' attitude the others just talk about being checked the others dont even want to think about it. Almost all of them are heavy alcholics and drug users. Many just use and abuse friendships, never owning upto any personal responsibility.
As I said before I am not trying to label this as a stereotype and I am fully aware this could be a disporpotionate sample but it is my experience. One of my best friends is gay and he is very level headed and most of the GAFers here seem this way as well. I never said if your are gay you are moraly wrong, only that now when I meet someone who is gay, flags will go up do to MY experience. I am usually one to give benefit of the doubt but the more times I am dissapointed the more that doubt gets deminished.
I may live in west texas but I dont own a gun and I dissaprove of killing animals for enjoyment.
I dont buy the whole thing that people are born gay, most of those I know who are gay say its a preference. It doesnt bother me that it could be considered unatural. Hermaphordites are another story.
You'd find that a lot of gay men also dislike the "stereotypical" gay man. MANY personal ads specifically(and sometimes rudely) state "NO FEMS!". Speaking personally, i'm attracted to men, specifically men with "manly" qualities. So feminine guys(or masculine women) don't do it for me.
Anyway, is it so hard to view people as a spectrum, and not points. There are so many varying degrees of "masculine" or "feminine". You have your super tomboy straight women and your pretty and dainty lipstick lesbians...you have your "light on his toes" straight interior designers and your rugged gay car mechanic. Polarized thinking needs to stop.
Oh, and why do you qualify the fact that a particular gay man's "gayness" is very pronounced(flamming) as him trying to "shove it down your throat"(to be blunt)? Sure it's obnoxious as all hell, but that's a personality flaw that has nothing to do with his sexual orientation. You get that in all flavors...the loud attention whore chicks, the loud overcompensating for being short chicks/dudes, the loud sloping forehead, knuckle dragging chest beating alpha males, etc. And really, even though I don't act like that personally, and find it to be a turn off(sexually), I have a very good friend who leans towards the fem side, but he still acts like a male. He doesn't cross-dress, he doesn't do the metrosexual thing, and he's not overly "detectable". I still respect those who are out and out proudly(not obnoxiously) because THEY are the ones that are paving the road towards equality(read: sanity), and I always find it insulting when i read or hear people say they should "keep it to themselves". Why should anyone have to repress apart of themselves just because of someone else's selective morality/acceptance scale? Are you even aware of all of the ways you express your sexuality throughout the day? The stares, the turns, the glances, the flirting, the gossip, the way you dress, the way you speak, etc. Try repressing all of that all the time and see how "human" you feel.
In closing, i'd say that if someone announces that they are gay, instead of viewing it as "OMG, why are they telling me they're gay, they're totally forcing their lifestyle on me", view it as them just telling you they're not straight...there isn't an equavalent to telling someone you are straight because being straight is the assumed status.
Oh, and megarolleyes at gay=promiscuous. To be blunt(and this was touched upon a bit already), (slutty) gays aren't sluts because they're gay....they're sluts because they're (slutty) men.. A dog is a dog, no matter who he fucks.
Anyway, is it so hard to view people as a spectrum, and not points. There are so many varying degrees of "masculine" or "feminine". You have your super tomboy straight women and your pretty and dainty lipstick lesbians...you have your "light on his toes" straight interior designers and your rugged gay car mechanic. Polarized thinking needs to stop.
Oh, and why do you qualify the fact that a particular gay man's "gayness" is very pronounced(flamming) as him trying to "shove it down your throat"(to be blunt)? Sure it's obnoxious as all hell, but that's a personality flaw that has nothing to do with his sexual orientation. You get that in all flavors...the loud attention whore chicks, the loud overcompensating for being short chicks/dudes, the loud sloping forehead, knuckle dragging chest beating alpha males, etc. And really, even though I don't act like that personally, and find it to be a turn off(sexually), I have a very good friend who leans towards the fem side, but he still acts like a male. He doesn't cross-dress, he doesn't do the metrosexual thing, and he's not overly "detectable". I still respect those who are out and out proudly(not obnoxiously) because THEY are the ones that are paving the road towards equality(read: sanity), and I always find it insulting when i read or hear people say they should "keep it to themselves". Why should anyone have to repress apart of themselves just because of someone else's selective morality/acceptance scale? Are you even aware of all of the ways you express your sexuality throughout the day? The stares, the turns, the glances, the flirting, the gossip, the way you dress, the way you speak, etc. Try repressing all of that all the time and see how "human" you feel.
In closing, i'd say that if someone announces that they are gay, instead of viewing it as "OMG, why are they telling me they're gay, they're totally forcing their lifestyle on me", view it as them just telling you they're not straight...there isn't an equavalent to telling someone you are straight because being straight is the assumed status.
Oh, and megarolleyes at gay=promiscuous. To be blunt(and this was touched upon a bit already), (slutty) gays aren't sluts because they're gay....they're sluts because they're (slutty) men.
. A dog is a dog, no matter who he fucks.SSGMUN10000
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So what you guys are saying is that some of the stereotypes are true about gays being hoes, backstabbers, and AIDS infested? I still cant watch 2 guys make out but I can watch 2 lesbos.
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