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[ArtHands]

I'll never understand why this is the case with consoles. Imagine spending hundreds on an upgrade and having to be subjected to the dev's patching the game or not.

Hell I'm still waiting for that Bloodborne pro patch for my ps4.

Many current gen AAA games are not going to get a Pro patch at the end of the day too, due to various reasons like cost or the developer moving on to new projects etc

 

[kevboard]

I will probably use the Geforce experience as my front end. (normally you can scan your pc and it will put all installed games,) The other sweet thing is some game it will optimize them for you with a click of a button.

the fuck? don't do that... what?

GeForce Experience, or GeForce App as the new replacement is called, is mainly to update drivers easily or to adjust driver settings.
the "optimised" settings it gives you are usually absolutely shit and nonsensical.

it also doesn't work as a frontend to anything. it lists your games, sure, but often not all of them and also you will still have to launch the respective launcher you got it from anyway.

if anything something like GoG Galaxy 2.0 is a program that can somewhat ok-ish help you keeping track of your collection.

 

[ArtHands]

Yes, the new GeForce App is simply an app to update your graphics card driver easily. It's a 4 clicks affair for me. 2 clicks to launch it, 1 click to choose 'Driver' and 1 more to update.

 

[Gamer79]

Yes, the new GeForce App is simply an app to update your graphics card driver easily. It's a 4 clicks affair for me. 2 clicks to launch it, 1 click to choose 'Driver' and 1 more to update.

Ah, ok.

Any good 3rd party front ends to keep track of my collection on the computer?

 

[Chiggs]

I'm new to the pc world after being a life long console gamer. (mid 40's)

You're too old to enjoy it, unfortunately.

 

[Guilty_AI]

You're too old to enjoy it, unfortunately.

i know people on their 60s who enjoy it

 

[BlackTron]

The austere PC gamer doesn’t exist.

The guy who preaches about the affordability of PC gaming spends hundreds upon hundreds of dollars every year on games + PC upgrades.

Dave Ramsey is a console gamer.

Studies have shown it.

 

[//DEVIL//]

You're too old to enjoy it, unfortunately.

Man, I like you but that was a stupid comment. too old to enjoy PC or console gaming? wtf is that?

I am in my 40s almost with all the responsibilities of a family on my shoulders, a full-time job and I own a place in the capital of Canada, I still enjoy games and probably play more than you do...

I love building PCs more than anything too. i have built 2 PCs this year for my own :/

 

[Ceadeus]

Let's overanalyze how to save dozens of dollars... Just buy less if you don't have the budget for the hobby.

 

[Chiggs]

i know people on their 60s who enjoy it

man i like you but that was a stupid comment. too old to enjoy PC or console gaming ? wtf is that ?

i am in mid 40s almost with all responsibility of a family on my shoulder, full time and own a place in the capital of Canada and I still enjoy games and probably play more than you do...

I love building PCs more than anything too. i have built 2 PCs this year for my own :/

Now there's a backfire of a comment.

I'm in my mid-40s, too. Jooooking, guys,

 

[BlackTron]

If you're worried about things like a controller being included in the box and the hassle of having to find a separate one, PCs benefits were invisible to you anyway.

Most people in that boat would just use a console, but a select few will use a console while insisting they avoid PC because it's a bad choice and they're too smart for that.

Heh.

 

[Breezze83]

Well... on consoles you can buy physical games (PS5 and switch), sell or trade them If you want. These games will become much more valuable than your digital library.

The same situation applies to your pc parts, wich will mantain 0 value over time. Consoles will always have a market.

 

[Aces High]

Console is much better for hardware. It's actually day and night difference.

I paid $400 for my PS5 digital and the visual fidelity and performance it delivers at this price point is crazy, even after all these years. Cerny IQ200 system.

PC is much better for Software. We're talking 25% cheaper games if you buy regular on Steam and 50-75% cheaper if you use VPN and key sellers.

Also you don't need to pay the mangy online gaming fee.

Best value is probably GeForce Now if your internet connection can handle it and if your favorite game is supported.

Highest tier GeForce Now is $2 more expensive than PS+ Premium and gives you high-end $2000+ PC performance.

At 120Hz and under good conditions, Geforce Now has less input lag than a PS5 game at 30Hz fidelity mode.

 

[Bojji]

Well... on consoles you can buy physical games (PS5 and switch), sell or trade them If you want. These games will become much more valuable than your digital library.

The same situation applies to your pc parts, wich will mantain 0 value over time. Consoles will always have a market.

It's true and main reason why I have PS5, but... PS6 will probably launch with optional disc drive. Many games will also not receive physical versions, this is me predicting future based on Pro and some recent game releases.

Console is much better for hardware. It's actually day and night difference.

I paid $400 for my PS5 digital and the visual fidelity and performance it delivers at this price point is crazy, even after all these years. Cerny IQ200 system.

PC is much better for Software. We're talking 25% cheaper games if you buy regular on Steam and 50-75% cheaper if you use VPN and key sellers.

Also you don't need to pay the mangy online gaming fee.

Best value is probably GeForce Now if your internet connection can handle it and if your favorite game is supported.

Highest tier GeForce Now is $2 more expensive than PS+ Premium and gives you high-end $2000+ PC performance.

At 120Hz and under good conditions, Geforce Now has less input lag than a PS5 game at 30Hz fidelity mode.

It was true for PS5/XSX in 2020, but with Pro it's not true at all.

 

[Aces High]

It was true for PS5/XSX in 2020, but with Pro it's not true at all.

Pro makes the baseline PS5 shine even more:

4 years later, $700 price point, and you need a magnifying glass to see the difference.

 

[timothet]

Many current gen AAA games are not going to get a Pro patch at the end of the day too, due to various reasons like cost or the developer moving on to new projects etc

It's on Sony to incentivise developers to come back and do Pro patch for their games as it's in Sony's interest to get as big Pro library as possible.
Non-pro versions will run on the pro either way, so developers won't dedicate money and resources unless it benefits them in some significant way too.
IMO Sony should offer some sort of fee discount or something.

 

[Fess]

* for some

Some people .. and I am guilty of this myself upgrade our gaming pcs way too often. I paid $900 for a gpu alone a year ago and will probably upgrade in another year.

Yeah same here.

Then again enthusiast console gamers can be there day 1 for PSVR2, Portal, Pro and have all other consoles too and OLED variations etc to not miss out on exclusives or features.

And paying for online gaming adds up over time as well.

Would be fun if anyone would dare to bring out all the numbers.
Enthusiast console gamer cost
Vs
Enthusiast PC gamer cost

I’ve spent $3500 on PC hardware this year.
$1300 on console hardware.



Edited
Quick draft of the hardware costs during 2017-2024. Going with 2017 to bring the Switch into the equation and mid gen updates for all platforms.

Console: $4500
(That’s Xbox One X, Switch, PS5, Xbox Series X, Switch OLED, PS5 Pro w disc drive, extra USB storage for XB1X, SSD for PS5, storage card for Series X, 3 extra controllers and 3 joycons.)

PC: $12400
(That’s a full system upgrade, a new 4090 desktop build and one extra for the living room with a 4080S, a screen upgrade, Steam Deck, Steam Deck OLED, backup hdd)

Local currency and inflation boost the cost here compared to US prices but the differences are shown. Nearly 3x more for PC enthusiast gaming compared to console enthusiast gaming - for me.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Now there's a backfire of a comment.

I'm in my mid-40s, too. Jooooking, guys,

You: *says utterly stupid thing*
Others: "this thing you said is stupid"
You: "c'mon guys i'm just jooooooooooooooooooking, what a backfire am'i'right?"

 

[meech]

Its still possible to sell console games, impossible on pc.

 

[SenkiDala]

I've also seen pretty crazy deals for builds with 4060s at around 650€ and yeah at that price it's crazy good value. And I agree with OP we will remember 2024 as the year when PC gaming became cheaper than console gaming.

Why I still chose console as my platform of choice is physical gaming. Being able to sell your games is very important for me. And I don't see this ever happening through digital gaming. Lending your games yes but selling...

But anyway, digital gaming is becoming the preferred way to purchase game and there's nothing I can do about it.

Also the PS5 Pro is all I hate, expensive as fuck, all digital (yeah there's a rare disc player than you can attach), and for the first time I felt like "well, at 950€ (price in EU) I'd rather get a PC"... Sure maybe PSSR is cool but with a PC you also get 100% of the Xbox library on day one and all the things that a PC can do (emulation and all).

I feel out of this world sometimes, when I say this people tell me "but it was same for PS4 Pro", well not at all... When the PS4 Pro came out, the PS4 slim was at 299€ and then the Pro was at 399€. And it wasn't considered as cheap AT ALL, it was considered as "ok'ish"... But in 2024 à 950€ console is "hey that's not a bad price" what ?

At that time a good gaming PC was around 900/1200€ (could be a lot more, like now with people getting 4090s, but could also be less, all depends on what you wanna play), and today you have what I call a really good PC at 1200 (with a 7900XT or a 4070 super for exemple) and seeing a build with a 4060 (that's pretty good) at 650€... It just overkills the PS5 Pro.

So we went from a 399€ console (PS4 Pro) compared to an approximate 1000/1200 counter part, in an era where physical gaming on console was king, to a gen when the Pro console is at 950€ compared to a... Well still 1000 PC or a pretty decent alternative with that RTX 4060 builds for 650... in an era where digital is becoming (became?) king, and where all Xbox games are day one on PC and/or PC Gamepass ? Well.

I expect more and more people converting to PC in the coming years. Sure on the long term cloud will be king (or at least the most popular for mass market), but until then, for the core gamers, we need "local gaming", for still many years to come.

 

[Thebonehead]

Its still possible to sell console games, impossible on pc.

Almost Impossible - You could sell your whole steam library for instance in the E.U. as per the ruling below.

https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/application/pdf/2012-07/cp120094en.pdf

Made me think back to the original Xbox One DRM - The always on part killed them.

But the bit where they were setting it up so you could sell or swap your digital content - That was a good consumer move that got buried.

 

[A2una1]

It depends entirely on your individual situation wheather PC gaming or console gaming is cheaper. That being said, I think among the "enthusiasts" here on this forum, generally PC gaming can be assumed to be cheaper in most cases as we tend to buy a lot of games. The more games you buy and the less frequently you upgrade your hardware, the "cheaper" PC gaming becomes in relation to console gaming (again, making a lot of assumptions here: you subscribe to PS plus for example, or buy games day one for 80 a pop etc.). The open platform aspect is and remains the true reason people should consider PC gaming. Not because it might come cheaper.

On the contrary. Especially the enthusiasts replace parts in their PC far offen then they need to. PC gaming is only cheaper if you don't keep updating constantly.

 

[timothet]

I've also seen pretty crazy deals for builds with 4060s at around 650€ and yeah at that price it's crazy good value. And I agree with OP we will remember 2024 as the year when PC gaming became cheaper than console gaming.

Why I still chose console as my platform of choice is physical gaming. Being able to sell your games is very important for me. And I don't see this ever happening through digital gaming. Lending your games yes but selling...

But anyway, digital gaming is becoming the preferred way to purchase game and there's nothing I can do about it.

Also the PS5 Pro is all I hate, expensive as fuck, all digital (yeah there's a rare disc player than you can attach), and for the first time I felt like "well, at 950€ (price in EU) I'd rather get a PC"... Sure maybe PSSR is cool but with a PC you also get 100% of the Xbox library on day one and all the things that a PC can do (emulation and all).

I feel out of this world sometimes, when I say this people tell me "but it was same for PS4 Pro", well not at all... When the PS4 Pro came out, the PS4 slim was at 299€ and then the Pro was at 399€. And it wasn't considered as cheap AT ALL, it was considered as "ok'ish"... But in 2024 à 950€ console is "hey that's not a bad price" what ?

At that time a good gaming PC was around 900/1200€ (could be a lot more, like now with people getting 4090s, but could also be less, all depends on what you wanna play), and today you have what I call a really good PC at 1200 (with a 7900XT or a 4070 super for exemple) and seeing a build with a 4060 (that's pretty good) at 650€... It just overkills the PS5 Pro.

So we went from a 399€ console (PS4 Pro) compared to an approximate 1000/1200 counter part, in an era where physical gaming on console was king, to a gen when the Pro console is at 950€ compared to a... Well still 1000 PC or a pretty decent alternative with that RTX 4060 builds for 650... in an era where digital is becoming (became?) king, and where all Xbox games are day one on PC and/or PC Gamepass ? Well.

I expect more and more people converting to PC in the coming years. Sure on the long term cloud will be king (or at least the most popular for mass market), but until then, for the core gamers, we need "local gaming", for still many years to come.

Exactly. And all of that completely ignores the need for a monthly subscription to PS Plus to access online multiplayer, which adds another $400–$600 over the course of a generation.
The math just doesn’t add up anymore, and more and more people will come to that conclusion as time goes on.

 

[RoboCain]

I have a PS5DE, a XSX, and a 5700X3D/RTX3090 PC.

The day I bought the Steam Deck, I realized there is no point on buying games on consoles anymore. 1 purchase allows you to play on the desk, on the TV and portable, and in most cases, with automatic cross-saves.

 

[Esca]

OP didn't forget legit 3rd party key sites if you haven't used them, they often end up having better deals than in steam and they give you a key to redeem the game in steam. Fanatical and greenmangaming are the big two.

 

[cireza]

I'm new to the pc world after being a life long console gamer. (mid 40's)

Yes the initial cost is high if you want a decent rig (mine will be around $1100 all in but I figure a console times X years of ps + will be close to the same.) I have even seen crazy black friday deals like pre-builts with a 4060 in them for $700. This thread isn't about the hardware though it's about the software.

So I did my research before I started getting my game collection up and decided I was not going to stick to one store front. I will have a 4070 so will probably use the Geforce experience as my front end. (normally you can scan your pc and it will put all installed games,) The other sweet thing is some game it will optimize them for you with a click of a button. I have used gg.deals and store fronts like GOG and shopping sales when I can. I was shocked to discover how much I have acquired for so little cost. Keep in mind that new games on the PS5/Xbox are starting at $69.99 but they love the upsell special editions for $99.99. My god is PC gaming so much cheaper than I thought possible. These aren't games I lose access too if I stop paying a subscription fee. These are games that I "digitally own." I will Provide the Library I have acquired of a span less than 2 weeks and reveal the shocking cost of it all.

Cyberpunk 2077+ the Phantom Liberty DLC
BioShock Remastered
Balatro
Sea of Stars
Kararte Survivor
Doom Eternal
Hi-Fi Rush
Sunset Overdrive
3D Mark (it's $30 now but got it for $5)
Disco Elysium
Alchemest Adventure
Conarium
Dome Keeper
The Final Station
God's Trigger
The Outer Worlds
Teardown
Moonscars
House of golf 2
Death's Door
Super Meat Boy

I was going over my paypal account and I thought fuck me man, I must of spent a fortune buying these games. Yes many are Indie but almost all are highly regarded. I was expecting to calcuate some crazy number but was shocked when I caluclated it:

I got all of the above games and again not tied to a subscription service for: $125.20

I always thought Pc gaming was for rich elitist but am quickly learning that in the long run it is cheaper. My apologies!

I prefer giving the larger part of the money I invest to games creators rather than hardware creators. By getting 50 games for 100$, you are not helping developers. It might sound ugly for a lot of people, but buying a game 60$ new is how you can support developers you really care about, not by waiting for 5$ deals. Of course, this probably means that you have not invested 1000+ $ in your hardware and have some money left...

You don't have to buy all your games new, but buying a few ones every year will help you getting more games you like in the future.

 

[lakitu1982]

Man, I like you but that was a stupid comment. too old to enjoy PC or console gaming? wtf is that?

I am in my 40s almost with all the responsibilities of a family on my shoulders, a full-time job and I own a place in the capital of Canada, I still enjoy games and probably play more than you do...

I love building PCs more than anything too. i have built 2 PCs this year for my own :/

that reminds me, I need to pick up my brothers Autism meds. Thank you for the reminder.

 

[LRKD]

The best part is not being a cuck and paying to play online, the worst part is no physical.

 

[Fess]

I prefer giving the larger part of the money I invest to games creators rather than hardware creators. By getting 50 games for 100$, you are not helping developers. It might sound ugly for a lot of people, but buying a game 60$ new is how you can support developers you really care about, not by waiting for 5$ deals.

Good for you I guess. I use all the deals I find, without shame. Free Epic games, prepayment deals on Gamepass and PS+ with free monthly games being claimed, Steam sales, cheap physical console games, etc.

I do vote with my wallet, or heart, on rare occasion though, like buying the Ultimate Edition of Stalker 2. But that’s extremely rare.

 

[Stitch]

Its still possible to sell console games, impossible on pc.

I can get like 8 or more games in a bundle for like 12 bucks, why would I give a crap about selling them lmao
If I farm their steam cards I can actually also get some money back.

 

[Chiggs]

You: *says utterly stupid thing*
Others: "this thing you said is stupid"
You: "c'mon guys i'm just jooooooooooooooooooking, what a backfire am'i'right?"

Having a bad day there, buddy?

Hope it improves for you.

 

[rsouzadk]

It has been like this for a very long time my man.

Welcome to the family.

 

[Pop]

Yeah all you had to do was look at Nintendo first party titles

Full price years and years after release

 

[Seomel]

Heres how I udually deal with cost of games. On pc - pirate when possible, especially old games, abandonware etc. Then if some new game i wanna play has denuvo, ill buy it on ps5 and sell after beating for minimal loss.
I still buy steam games and ps5 games digitally ocasionally, but mostly old deep discounted ones

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Heres how I udually deal with cost of games. On pc - pirate when possible, especially old games, abandonware etc. Then if some new game i wanna play has denuvo, ill buy it on ps5 and sell after beating for minimal loss.
I still buy steam games and ps5 games digitally ocasionally, but mostly old deep discounted ones

 

[ArtHands]

Its still possible to sell console games, impossible on pc.

You have game pass on PC if we’re talking about temporary ownership.

Also numerous PC games are spare change price.

 

[ArtHands]

It's on Sony to incentivise developers to come back and do Pro patch for their games as it's in Sony's interest to get as big Pro library as possible.
Non-pro versions will run on the pro either way, so developers won't dedicate money and resources unless it benefits them in some significant way too.
IMO Sony should offer some sort of fee discount or something.

The developer does require incentives to push out a Pro patch. Otherwise they have other better things they can push for more sales like porting their games to other platforms, DLCs etc

 

[Gamer79]

Lol, I pay zero dollars because I buy and sold used games, no one can beat that.

How do you sell digital games?

 

[Seomel]

Just saying how it is

 

[EDMIX]

That's not true at all. There are literal subreddits that track historical lows for games across different platforms. The difference between steam and other stores like xbl and psn is like sub 5% when tracking historical lows. You can keep telling yourself that to feel better about wasting money.

Agreed.

One of the biggest differences is, console games can be bought used on disk all year round that have physical versions...

They don't have to fucking wait for sales ONLY to get some discount or something, I do this all the time, go on Ebay, Amazon, Gamestop and compare prices and stack up on a fuck ton of used games, I don't need to wait for a um "Sale" buy a store to do that, on top of that I'm able to sell my games to make me a portion of my money back

Annnnnnnnnnnd we still fucking get sales on PSN.

I own both a gaming PC (several gaming PCs that I built) and I own consoles, waiting for a fucking discount by 1 store isn't a fucking bargain and I think people who slob over Steam sales seem to lack some brain cells when it comes to actual cost savings

Dark Souls 3, not only can you get the game cheaper else where, for fuck sakes...you are paying MORE MONEY ON STEAM FOR LESS CONTENT!

Its not even the GOTY version, so folks out here are hype for sale, to play more money, oh yea...for the base version of the game.

 

[PSbigfan]

How do you sell digital games?

I just making funny from op, I'm console gamer.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

Heres how I udually deal with cost of games. On pc - pirate when possible, especially old games, abandonware etc. Then if some new game i wanna play has denuvo, ill buy it on ps5 and sell after beating for minimal loss.
I still buy steam games and ps5 games digitally ocasionally, but mostly old deep discounted ones

Oh fuck off

 

[ResilientBanana]

PC gaming is awesome! But there are issues with it that's not exactly as common on console. I googled "driver issue PC gaming reddit" for the last week and got a plethora of examples of random drivers causing issues. Searching the same for PS5 gave mostly PC related issues and some PS5 software issues. I have basically zero tolerance for my games not starting and having to research the problem on forums instead of just having fun.

google

Edit: One guy even had his cat causing PC issues.

Grasping at straws, eh?

This won’t happen on PC

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[MMaRsu]

Oh fuck off

It doesnt equal a lost sale.

 

[Seomel]

Oh fuck off

Someone has to come out and say it how it is. Most of time you get better expeirnece by not being dependandt on shitty launchers, online only and drm like denuvo degrading performance. I bought stalker 2 which port is great, albeit bit buggy and precious was dragons dogma 2 for pc which was unoptimized af

 

[meech]

I can get like 8 or more games in a bundle for like 12 bucks, why would I give a crap about selling them lmao
If I farm their steam cards I can actually also get some money back.

You dont get a new game for 12 bucks. I can buy a new one, play it, and if it doesnt have replay value, easily resell it for like 10 Euros less. Not possible on Pc.

 

[rofif]

Agreed.

One of the biggest differences is, console games can be bought used on disk all year round that have physical versions...

They don't have to fucking wait for sales ONLY to get some discount or something, I do this all the time, go on Ebay, Amazon, Gamestop and compare prices and stack up on a fuck ton of used games, I don't need to wait for a um "Sale" buy a store to do that, on top of that I'm able to sell my games to make me a portion of my money back

Annnnnnnnnnnd we still fucking get sales on PSN.

I own both a gaming PC (several gaming PCs that I built) and I own consoles, waiting for a fucking discount by 1 store isn't a fucking bargain and I think people who slob over Steam sales seem to lack some brain cells when it comes to actual cost savings

Dark Souls 3, not only can you get the game cheaper else where, for fuck sakes...you are paying MORE MONEY ON STEAM FOR LESS CONTENT!

Its not even the GOTY version, so folks out here are hype for sale, to play more money, oh yea...for the base version of the game.

I've got DS trilogy package (beautiful boxes) for 39 euro few years ago brand new. It's a full out package with all the dlcs.
I also have these game son steam too btw

 

[rodrigolfp]

Console is much better for hardware. It's actually day and night difference.

I paid $400 for my PS5 digital and the visual fidelity and performance it delivers at this price point is crazy

For every single game back to Pong???

Its still possible to sell console games, impossible on pc.

You lose the access to those games.

 

[12Goblins]

Consoles and Apple products is a suckers game for people that don't know what they are doing. Not hating, people have different priorities

 

[cinnamonandgravy]

Now there's a backfire of a comment.

I'm in my mid-40s, too. Jooooking, guys,

no, let the purge begin.

consoles are basically the walkers of video game hardware.