DF Clips Is The High-End PC Experience Really *That* Much Better Than Consoles?
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I mean, for the average gamer I'm sure a console is just fine, but if you're sensitive to low frame rates and blurry images the PC is miles ahead. Not to mention all the ways you can tailor your experience. For example I played FF7 Rebirth on my PS5 recently, and the image quality in performance mode is abysmal while in the open world.
Another thing that I saw mentioned above is accessibility, where PC is miles ahead. I got some minor brain damage from Covid which affects the way my eyes work together which means I'm really sensitive to post processing effects like motion blur, depth of field, chromatic aberration, bloom and vignette. In PC games there are nine times out of ten a way to turn these off, even if it means doing a .ini edit or modding. Just a few examples:
Starfield was unplayable for me due to how they use color filters everywhere. I downloaded a mod that removed the filters and the game was playable.
Hellblade 2 gave me serious eye strain due to all the post processing. Five minutes editing a .ini-file solved it.
Stalker 2 was smeared to shit with blur. I solved it by manually increasing draw distance of high resolution assets through the .ini file.
Kingdom Come 2 had that ugly ass UI on the screen all the time. I downloaded a mod that hides it out of combat.
For me there would be many games that would be unplayable if I played them on the PS5.
But yeah, if you don't care about TAA blur or sometimes playing in 30 fps (bleeergghh) then a console is just fine
It is good that we have options. For me ray tracing is also often a game changer, and ray tracing on consoles is very hit and miss and often requires lowering the rendering resolution to ps3-era levels.
Another thing that I saw mentioned above is accessibility, where PC is miles ahead. I got some minor brain damage from Covid which affects the way my eyes work together which means I'm really sensitive to post processing effects like motion blur, depth of field, chromatic aberration, bloom and vignette. In PC games there are nine times out of ten a way to turn these off, even if it means doing a .ini edit or modding. Just a few examples:
Starfield was unplayable for me due to how they use color filters everywhere. I downloaded a mod that removed the filters and the game was playable.
Hellblade 2 gave me serious eye strain due to all the post processing. Five minutes editing a .ini-file solved it.
Stalker 2 was smeared to shit with blur. I solved it by manually increasing draw distance of high resolution assets through the .ini file.
Kingdom Come 2 had that ugly ass UI on the screen all the time. I downloaded a mod that hides it out of combat.
For me there would be many games that would be unplayable if I played them on the PS5.
But yeah, if you don't care about TAA blur or sometimes playing in 30 fps (bleeergghh) then a console is just fine
It is good that we have options. For me ray tracing is also often a game changer, and ray tracing on consoles is very hit and miss and often requires lowering the rendering resolution to ps3-era levels.
GymWolf
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Hohenheim
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Someone needs to visit the opticians!
neocycle
Member
I have fun playing videogames on my PS5 while your steam backlog keeps growing because you dread fiddling around with settings and wearing clunky headphones so you don't hear your noisy pc.
MikeM
Member
PS5 Pro my man. Rebirth was transformed. Source: I have one and a gaming PC.I mean, for the average gamer I'm sure a console is just fine, but if you're sensitive to low frame rates and blurry images the PC is miles ahead. Not to mention all the ways you can tailor your experience. For example I played FF7 Rebirth on my PS5 recently, and the image quality in performance mode is abysmal while in the open world.
Another thing that I saw mentioned above is accessibility, where PC is miles ahead. I got some minor brain damage from Covid which affects the way my eyes work together which means I'm really sensitive to post processing effects like motion blur, depth of field, chromatic aberration, bloom and vignette. In PC games there are nine times out of ten a way to turn these off, even if it means doing a .ini edit or modding. Just a few examples:
Starfield was unplayable for me due to how they use color filters everywhere. I downloaded a mod that removed the filters and the game was playable.
Hellblade 2 gave me serious eye strain due to all the post processing. Five minutes editing a .ini-file solved it.
Stalker 2 was smeared to shit with blur. I solved it by manually increasing draw distance of high resolution assets through the .ini file.
Kingdom Come 2 had that ugly ass UI on the screen all the time. I downloaded a mod that hides it out of combat.
For me there would be many games that would be unplayable if I played them on the PS5.
But yeah, if you don't care about TAA blur or sometimes playing in 30 fps (bleeergghh) then a console is just fine
PSSR/FSR4 lite is good.
Topher
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I have fun playing videogames on my PS5 while your steam backlog keeps growing because you dread fiddling around with settings and wearing clunky headphones so you don't hear your noisy pc.
Settings are keeping PC gamers from playing games? lol....that's a new one.
Guilty_AI
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But can you install jiggle physics in it?
Guilty_AI
Member
Fixed
MikeM
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
??? Getting a Pro over base PS5 is 100% about just power, while a PC is far from being only about power.
Buggy Loop
Member
I have fun playing videogames on my PS5 while your steam backlog keeps growing because you dread fiddling around with settings and wearing clunky headphones so you don't hear your noisy pc.
Noisy? Too many options in menu?
Sounds like a you problem.
Guilty_AI
Member
You're just envious of the ps5's premium-level color science.Noisy? Too many options in menu?
Sounds like a you problem.
delirium trigger
Member
Pc really is the way to go these days. I'd play a budget 60 series build at 1080p 24 inches over a console. Pc has all the pc oriented stuff and now almost everything from console as well plus mouse and keyboard support.
I love being able to pause a game and get right back to pc stuff if need be.
Consoles are still the way to go for a living room build.
I love being able to pause a game and get right back to pc stuff if need be.
Consoles are still the way to go for a living room build.
DenchDeckard
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I have fun playing videogames on my PS5 while your steam backlog keeps growing because you dread fiddling around with settings and wearing clunky headphones so you don't hear your noisy pc.
This is exactly right. You nailed it. Enjoy your ps5, good sir!
RafterXL
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Literally why would any PC gamer care? If you're an AMD user you already have it, if you're a Nvidia user you don't want it because you have better.What's with the timing of this DF video?PC master race threaten by the upcoming Fsr4 integration to PSSR in Ps5 Pro?
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I would rather game on a PC with a 2080ti or something over a console. It's not just about power. That said, ps5/ps5 pro are fine options too. Capable machines for sure. I just don't care for the console experience anymore.
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dragonyeuw
Member
Personally my PC gaming has always been low-mid range at best. Hell, right now I'm using a Legion Go since my old rig started randomly rebooting and I couldn't self-analyze/fix it, so I passed it to my son to fuck around with who's more a tinkerer than I am. For me the main appeal for PC gaming goes something like this:
Free online play
Emulators
Multiple Storefronts/cheap keys
Near infinite BC/ forward compatibility
Free online play
Emulators
Multiple Storefronts/cheap keys
Near infinite BC/ forward compatibility
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
I thought I've read it all and then comes some dude talking about the secret of the color science. 
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Threaten by something they also have and better???What's with the timing of this DF video?PC master race threaten by the upcoming Fsr4 integration to PSSR in Ps5 Pro?
Buggy Loop
Member
Personally my PC gaming has always been low-mid range at best. Hell, right now I'm using a Legion Go since my old rig started randomly rebooting and I couldn't self-analyze/fix it, so I passed it to my son to fuck around with who's more a tinkerer than I am. For me the main appeal for PC gaming goes something like this:
Free online play
Emulators
Multiple Storefronts/cheap keys
Near infinite BC/ forward compatibility
And then you have the amazing community mods that keep old games still legit the best of the genres even nowadays
27 years Falcon 4.0 updated continuously by modders for modern features, graphic engine overhauls, new planes, new fidelity in cockpits, VR, etc.
21 years later Richard Burns rally still the GOAT of rally by the sim community. Modders have tweaked physics further, triple monitor and VR support, sim rig force feedback, modern wheels granularity for feedback, new tracks, new cars, etc.
It goes without saying also that if SIM genre is your thing, there's really only PC to consider, be it space/flight/race sims.
And without going into the endless list of mods for the bethesda games, the stalker series, freespace 2, etc etc.
To me, buying 3rd party games on consoles is a total waste of money. They have no value in time. No I ain't keeping a dozen consoles attached to TV to keep compatibility. You can install an old ass PC game years later and you'll easily find that either it was updated for free for high resolutions or a mod exists to do it easily. They sell you a patch for "next gen" update on consoles and it's only a selected few. The rest of the games not updated? Tough luck. Even between pro and non pro versions of consoles, its patch dependent. FFS...
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dragonyeuw
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Yeah I've never been into mods per se but yes, another great benefit for PC. And seconded on buying third party games on console, since I got into Steam a decade ago I'd say about 95% of my third party stuff is bought there. There was a brief period when Switch first came out where I bought a handful of smaller third party/indies stuff there like Steam Dig 2, Hollow Knight and a few others, but I pivoted away from that the moment the PC handheld scene took off ( first had a Deck, now on Legion Go).
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I don't understand either. My son is 8 years old and starts the computer and plays portal all by himself. Are these people basic idiots?
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Either something like that or just some troll warrior.
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hououinkyouma00
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Did I say PS5 vs PS5 Pro? I definitely didn't. I just said that choosing console is often a multitude of factors, and it's the same with PC.
Someone choosing a Pro over a regular PS5 yes is about power, but that's not what I said.
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
What you quoted clearly meant buying the Pro over the base PS5 while downplaying pc advantages is funny.
hououinkyouma00
Member
Actually you are very rarely ever worth spending even a microsecond of time responding to, so never mind.
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viveks86
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I had given up on this thread... and missed this little gem. Dammmmnn
Might want to get that checked!
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Buggy Loop
Member
That was a period where a PC ports were actually optimized or at the least, on DX11 which allowed GPU vendors to actually modify the fuckups of devs on a driver level, which DX12 being a to the metal API is giving all this task on devs and they've done a shit job of it. GPU vendors can barely alter the baseline with DX12. I can't even imagine how big the software driver teams were in those days for each vendors.
We've had some of the worst optimized games in modern times with the likes of TLoU part 1 and Monster Hunter wilds where even at 8GB they manage to look worse than a PS3 game with 256MB. In TLoU part 1's case it was a decompression bug and was later fixed but still incredibly bloated. MH Wilds there's really no fucking explanations outside that they're high over there.
Also shame on peoples always picking the worst option in the lower end somehow. Same for 5060 I bet it'll sell like hotcakes. Never understood why. Or AMD releasing 7060 8GB when their whole schtick is high VRAM.
Intel is now a legit contender for console like settings and has the VRAM.
This video proves you really don't need much for base console parity. The CPU is just a 12400F also to begin with.
And got even better with the B series. 10GB for B570 but the better version being B580 at 12GB which is totally fine at the range of entry point. But it came a bit too late imo and 4060 derp card gathered the sales.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Fuck you remind me that console gamers can't switch all that eye cancer off.I mean, for the average gamer I'm sure a console is just fine, but if you're sensitive to low frame rates and blurry images the PC is miles ahead. Not to mention all the ways you can tailor your experience. For example I played FF7 Rebirth on my PS5 recently, and the image quality in performance mode is abysmal while in the open world.
Another thing that I saw mentioned above is accessibility, where PC is miles ahead. I got some minor brain damage from Covid which affects the way my eyes work together which means I'm really sensitive to post processing effects like motion blur, depth of field, chromatic aberration, bloom and vignette. In PC games there are nine times out of ten a way to turn these off, even if it means doing a .ini edit or modding. Just a few examples:
Starfield was unplayable for me due to how they use color filters everywhere. I downloaded a mod that removed the filters and the game was playable.
Hellblade 2 gave me serious eye strain due to all the post processing. Five minutes editing a .ini-file solved it.
Stalker 2 was smeared to shit with blur. I solved it by manually increasing draw distance of high resolution assets through the .ini file.
Kingdom Come 2 had that ugly ass UI on the screen all the time. I downloaded a mod that hides it out of combat.
For me there would be many games that would be unplayable if I played them on the PS5.
But yeah, if you don't care about TAA blur or sometimes playing in 30 fps (bleeergghh) then a console is just fine
cinnamonandgravy
Member
consoles are basically the soundbars of gaming
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
PC gaming has some downsides eg random crashes, shit drivers but on the whole it is a far better experience.
Mods alone mean there is no reason for me to ever go back to consoles.
Mods alone mean there is no reason for me to ever go back to consoles.
I collect VHS tapes
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Pretty much this
Surprised more people aren't talking about mod support on PC vs console
Even when consoles get mod support, like with Skyrim, it's incredibly neutered
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Guilty_AI
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Yeah, playing first person shooters on a console is pure torture. No wonder you see so many people who dislike or outright refuse to play FPSs, likely console players.
ULTIMATEJSUTICE
Neo Member
I enjoy owning my games and with console, I've always got the disk. But if I do enjoy a game I would buy it on PC for better performance. Most multiplayer on console to play with the boyssssss
rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Sometimes??? There are gazillions of games still locked to 30fps or less (and low resolutions).
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Sgt. Pinback
(L3) + (R3) | Spartan rage activated
The way people talk about this like it's a team sport is so bizarre. You know you can own both, right? You know one doesn't have to be THE WORST THING EVER in order for you to enjoy the thing that you DO like? As always, threads like this become trainwrecks of absolute idiocy, and the worst takes imaginable.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Worst thing imo is old games that should run at 60fps on modern consoles but they just don't because the dev never bothered unlocking the framerate. Bloodborne, Kingdom Come, Dragon's Dogma, and many many more.
I mostly play single player and multiplayer strategy games on PC like Starcraft, Warcraft, Red alert, Civilization, Age of empires, Dota, etc. I really feel more comfortable playing rpg, fps, action game, and story base games with console, and that is my personal preference. It just plug and play.
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I spend that amount on something respectful to aging, value and roi cause otherwise it's a waste of money.
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MAX PAYMENT
Member
HDR is more configurable on pc.
I'm not quite sure what you're on about here, but I did notice that the PS5 had a bit more robust picture quality than I saw on the Xbox Series X when playing the same game on both consoles.
Gamer79
Predicts the worst decade for Sony starting 2022
Sony ponies wanted more than a ps5 so they bought the pro. The pro under delivered so now they are praying fsr4 can save Pssr and justify the price of the ps5 pro. in reality the pro is like the pc special needs cousin.
comparing the pro to even a mid range pc:
comparing the pro to even a mid range pc:
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Fess
Member
I also had fun playing on my PS5+Pro last year, in total 9 hours going by the official stats.I have fun playing videogames on my PS5 while your steam backlog keeps growing because you dread fiddling around with settings and wearing clunky headphones so you don't hear your noisy pc.
Meanwhile I had fun playing a couple hundred hours on my PC last year, including Sony's games, at higher settings, with fun mods when available, on the same TV and home theater AVR I use for the consoles, and this PC is more silent than the PS5.
awwr999999
Member
Booting up directly into games is one thing PC can't do and consoles ditched it along with plug-in controllers and memory cards.
On top of the inherent inefficiency of using 30% more system resources to fill out that 65in 16:9 display when our eyes work much closer to 4:3.
Playing a game on PlayStation 2 requires one step - pushing the power button.
In half the time it takes a PS5 to boot you get a nice little audio visual sequence and go directly into your game.