Complistic
Member
They just need to fire management. Infinite is a good game despite some of the shitty high level influences.
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I believe it's time to disband 343 Industries.
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Walter Matthau
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
lack of content for the game caused everyone to hate it. it's been almost a year and they've barely delievered anything substantial to keep the game going
DaedalusGrim
Banned
Lmao Infinites monetisation is fucking gross
The game is free. Who cares? Don't spend money.
SenjutsuSage
Banned
Disband easily one of the most critically acclaimed and most commercially successful First Party studios they have had in the last decade. That's a move only a genius would make.
Halo Infinite's campaign is easily one of the best in the entire franchise with quite clearly the best gameplay. It's also easily the most ambitious and genuinely interesting a Halo campaign has been from both an overall gameplay design standpoint. It's also one of the very best feeling multiplayer shooters I've played in a long, long time. So it doesn't have as much content as other live service free to play games that have been around for over 2 years, big deal. Halo is a more old school kind of shooter vibe and that obviously works against it in today's games industry, but a battle royale will work wonders for it if they ever actually make one. But enough falling for the bait.
Halo Infinite's campaign is easily one of the best in the entire franchise with quite clearly the best gameplay. It's also easily the most ambitious and genuinely interesting a Halo campaign has been from both an overall gameplay design standpoint. It's also one of the very best feeling multiplayer shooters I've played in a long, long time. So it doesn't have as much content as other live service free to play games that have been around for over 2 years, big deal. Halo is a more old school kind of shooter vibe and that obviously works against it in today's games industry, but a battle royale will work wonders for it if they ever actually make one. But enough falling for the bait.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
What copium? I literally just said that they never made a good Halo. I just think they can.
Apocryphon
Member
Halos 4 and 5 have the lowest metacritic scores in the franchise, MCC was a complete mess for a long time, and Infinite isn't finished, to the point that ODST and Reach have better campaigns. It's understandable that people want more competent studios to take over the series.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
343 would be better suited to something like redfall and personally i think DOOM would be a much better suit for MS's flagship FPS franchise
frankly halo's cool and all but i dunno where it could really go from here, so might as well put it out to pasture
same for gears. Forza can stay though, it's kicking GT's ass currently. All of Microsoft's newer IP showings look far more interesting and exciting than most of the older IP they make anyways
its clear the studios wanna make something newer
frankly halo's cool and all but i dunno where it could really go from here, so might as well put it out to pasture
same for gears. Forza can stay though, it's kicking GT's ass currently. All of Microsoft's newer IP showings look far more interesting and exciting than most of the older IP they make anyways
its clear the studios wanna make something newer
Majormaxxx
Member
What a clown lol. The new halo was very enjoyable. You are an effin baby.
Sir Vilhelm
Member
I love Halo, and I agree with OP. I gave 343 years to make something that was, Halo. They suck, they really do. The studio is everything that is wrong with Netflix, Amazon prime. Shit writing with underlying agendas. I want to love Halo again, 343 just doesn't do it for me.
Just lay halo to rest, the last halo I loved was 4, it was the last one that still felt like halo but fresh like maybe halo really could have another great trilogy (even if its multiplayer competitive elements needed some work) and it gave me alot of hope for the franchise only for 5 to crush it.
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SteadyEvo
Member
The guy that keeps churning out Gears? I’m good. Gimme someone that can create new and original games
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
No, no, no. I don't think 343 can make a good Doom. Leave it to Id. I think 343 can make a good Halo eventually. With enough time. Leave it to cook for 5 something years. And quite frankly Forza has never touched Gran Turismo.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
never said they should work on doom
clarky
Gold Member
And take infinity ward off the biggest selling cash cow of all time?
anothertech
Member
Halo will go to Activision. COD Halo coming 2027.
That said, agreed. We've seen enough.
That said, agreed. We've seen enough.
II_JumPeR_I
Member
In which dimension are they doing MP well??
Did i miss something?
Apocryphon
Member
Mechanically. Infinite has excellent weapon balancing, and map design, good movement, good selection of game modes etc. The grind and lack of content are obviously negatives but it's hard to criticise how the multiplayer is structured and how it feels.
Apocryphon
Member
Of the studios MS could feasibly choose from and in a purely theoretical sense? Yeah. It's a team that could deliver a solid Halo experience.
Could have waited a little while longer before making this thread. Now it’s clear your “is 343i as good as Sony’s best studios” thread last week was a troll job.
Back on topic, nobody’s going to close down a highly talented AAA studio that made one of the best, most highly rated FPS games in recent years. Despite a concerted campaign from trolls.
They’ll tighten up the management and controls at the studio and improve efficiency. Absolutely no way there aren’t repercussions for the rocky state of Infinite’s MP and the delays for the overall package.
Back on topic, nobody’s going to close down a highly talented AAA studio that made one of the best, most highly rated FPS games in recent years. Despite a concerted campaign from trolls.
They’ll tighten up the management and controls at the studio and improve efficiency. Absolutely no way there aren’t repercussions for the rocky state of Infinite’s MP and the delays for the overall package.
ÆMNE22A!C
NO PAIN TRANCE CONTINUE
Indeed..But I'm in the mood.
Halo Infinite is WEIRD
I have a hypothesis why things went how they went but everyone could know by now.
I just woke up an hour ago
My just thought up take (no hyperbole) would've made the game at least 800 times as good.
Ready?
They should've made a Biodome like Halo CE's "Halo" combined with "The Truth and Reconciliation" and "Assault on the Control Room" with MP maps integrated and expanded versions of them.
Boom. Awesome campaign.
Banished are stupid. Their guns are ugly.
Grapple hook fine but shouldn't be a permanent equip (they had to)
Fixed MP.
Ingame currency aquirement for shop
More classic or new maps every (other month)
*sips coffee*
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jezhumphrey75
Banned
sony wish they could put out a fps with gunplay/gameplay as good as halo infinite.........prove me wrong.
Robb
Gold Member
I don’t think there’s any point in disbanding 343. Despite what an absolute train wreck the development of Halo Infinite was they still delivered a great game. A lot of people over there seem to know their stuff.
Imo they probably just need to get their shit together and get better management. Whoever has been running the studio during Halo Infinite has got to go since they turned the development in to a hellscape.
Imo they probably just need to get their shit together and get better management. Whoever has been running the studio during Halo Infinite has got to go since they turned the development in to a hellscape.
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Chukhopops
Member
What happened is some people couldn’t swallow that pill so twice a month they make a long concernpost about it. They even fake concern about stuff that exists in other games since forever like SBMM or battle passes.
Then they use this post to pretend everyone hated it (although it’s always the same 5-10 people) and it shouldn’t have been GOTY (which is kinda true, #2 should have been #1).
If anything the campaign is better now since a few issues were fixed and co-op is launching shortly.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Why disband a whole studio?
They're not that bad. Maybe just pull them off Halo (as others have said, I'd like to see what id can do with the franchise) and let them work on something else.
Maybe give them freedom to create an original IP without the pressure that comes with making a Halo game.
They're not that bad. Maybe just pull them off Halo (as others have said, I'd like to see what id can do with the franchise) and let them work on something else.
Maybe give them freedom to create an original IP without the pressure that comes with making a Halo game.
anthony2690
Member
I believe it's time to expand 343 with more permanent employees.
They are clearly spread too thin, between forge, halo infinite online content, campaign expansion and whatever else they are working on.
I loved infinite and think it is probably the most fun I've had with a halo campaign, I just wish there was a little more variety with the environment.
Multiplayer again, easily the most fun I've had with halo, now my issues are no progression system & VERY slow rollout off content, meaning I play a couple days a week now, just because I still have a lot of fun when I play.
From all the stuff seen from forge so far, it looks mega impressive!
Overall I think halo infinite is incredible, but I also think it could have been so much more, I'm hoping the expansions bring the variety with the environments & I hope they employ enough people to get a steady and constant content output, that will keep people engaged.
They are clearly spread too thin, between forge, halo infinite online content, campaign expansion and whatever else they are working on.
I loved infinite and think it is probably the most fun I've had with a halo campaign, I just wish there was a little more variety with the environment.
Multiplayer again, easily the most fun I've had with halo, now my issues are no progression system & VERY slow rollout off content, meaning I play a couple days a week now, just because I still have a lot of fun when I play.
From all the stuff seen from forge so far, it looks mega impressive!
Overall I think halo infinite is incredible, but I also think it could have been so much more, I'm hoping the expansions bring the variety with the environments & I hope they employ enough people to get a steady and constant content output, that will keep people engaged.
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THE DUCK
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Which ignores the fact that the scores are really high overall and infinite scored really well. Also as much as mcc is panned its a fantastic collection that both looks and plays well.
I say be carefull what you wish for, you'll end up with some abomation with a great story that plays nothing like halo. Let's hand it over to Hideo Kojima so we can enjoy some 3 hour non skipable cut scenes to set the mood. Or yes hand it to ID for some shotguns and dark corridors.
Kikorin
Member
To me they don't need to be disbanded, but need some serious producer/directors and key figures that give a vision to deliver contents in time and high quality. As pointed from someone before, Nintendo proved that even an average studio can deliver awesome games if you put a competent director on top, for sure 343 don't lacks talented people on the technical and creative side, but needs someone that can put everything together in a meaningful way.
NikuNashi
Member
What if the Management is the talent and the problem is the staff, we have no idea who is good and who is bad. They may all be shit.kingfey back from the dead using an old alt created during a previous ban?
Anyway, you don’t close the studio and risk losing the talent. You replace the Managemt and the people who should be directing that talent.
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The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
The worst thing is halo infinite ended up being well received, and there were a shit load who paid it, but they dropped the ball by not releasing content for it.
Like they thought they could get away with a few maps. Has thee even been new content?
Like they thought they could get away with a few maps. Has thee even been new content?
DragonNCM
Member
Just give it to Bethesda...problems solved.
Mister Wolf
Gold Member
It was a mistake trying to overhaul that old game engine. Should have moved on and switched to Unreal. Could have been helped by The Coalition with technical issues. CD Projekt Red realize they made the same mistake and are rectifying it moving forward.
Shut0wen
Banned
Been saying this sincr halo 5 came out, ill give them credit for infinte like the gameplay is 10/10 but it lacks so serious content, campaign is just far cry (with less filler which is good) i do think 343 should have 1 last shot with jason staton being there but he'll probs leave in afew years
Shut0wen
Banned
Cd projekt red didnt give there staff enough time to utilize there engine, huge difference between a gane being made in 5 years compared to 2
Leyasu
Banned
Well shouldn’t the managers also be responsible for hiring and firing? So if everyone else is bad, shouldn’t they also have been gradually replacing the deadwood over the years?
DaedalusGrim
Banned
You don't care that its a worse product because of the way they chose to monetise it? The 95% of players that stopped playing cares.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
I think it's counterproductive to close entire studios like that, and failure leads to experience. Maybe they need to rebuild their engine and work pipeline from the ground up, I don't know. Most of the stories I heard were about old code that causes problems but they can't get rid of it at this point, similar to Bethesda.
Infinite is the best playing Halo in my opinion and there's a lot of parts of it that I like. I barely have complaints about the game honestly aside from the limited scope of the art direction and biomes, which appears to be last minute cuts due to their development issues.
I'm fine with them trying to fix their shit so stuff comes out in a more timely manner. That's my only real issue. What they have put out with Infinite is honestly fantastic, and I liked it.
Infinite is the best playing Halo in my opinion and there's a lot of parts of it that I like. I barely have complaints about the game honestly aside from the limited scope of the art direction and biomes, which appears to be last minute cuts due to their development issues.
I'm fine with them trying to fix their shit so stuff comes out in a more timely manner. That's my only real issue. What they have put out with Infinite is honestly fantastic, and I liked it.
Topher
Identifies as young
I agree. The studio just needs new leadership. Halo Infinite's campaign was a lot of fun, but having to bring in Staten back in to make difficult decisions tells me the studios leadership doesn't know what they are doing. Put Staten in charge of 343.