Yeah, I'm in the same camp. Big on sports as a kid and in high school and never thought twice about using "fucking faggot" or whatever as a pejorative. Changed my tune when one of my good friends got hospitalized by some assholes because they thought (rightfully so, as it turned out) he was gay. Seeing a D&D buddy laid up just for being who he is - not hurting anybody - changed my perspective 180 degrees in an instant. Did my best from that day forward to keep from slipping.
I lit up one of my graduate students...
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shinobi602
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I'm assuming this was for Valentines (and was in a joking manner).
Seems kind of excessive to 'light him up', IMO.
Seems kind of excessive to 'light him up', IMO.
ElectricBlanketFire
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Am I taking crazy pills? We need to explain why "No Homo" is offensive now?
It's associated negatively in the manner that the term is used, and in the "joke" as well.
By having to clarify that you're not gay when doing/saying something, you're implying that you are uncomfortable being seen as gay and that it is a negative thing.
RobotMafia
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You need to tell your friends that when you do something nice for them it doesnt mean you want to fuck them?
oneils
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I give heart shaped boxes of chocolates to my grandmother. What exactly, in your mind, does this imply?
EightBitNate
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Serious question here;
Would it have been different if a poster on GAF said "No homo"? Do we hold the internet to do a different set of standards?
Would it have been different if a poster on GAF said "No homo"? Do we hold the internet to do a different set of standards?
How saying "no homo" is a way to say that homosexuality is negative?
Sounds like he passed out a bunch of individual chocolates. It's immature, impolite, and just generally stupid to attach that message in a school setting where it wouldn't be out of place to share some treats with your peers for no reason in particular.
Yeah, this. The phrase "no homo" isn't anti-gay.
Heck, I'd have confiscated the chocolates just to eat them. Bet they're delicious. EDIT: Dammit bjb. Lol.
Arsenic Yellow
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What? Do you really have to state your sexuality? You do something nice for someone, you have to make it a point you dont want to fuck them? I'm sorry, but you're question in this situation is pretty ridiculous.
The actual phrase is an analog to "No homo" in a sense that is harmless and part of that many people consider witty banter. Its not the kind of thing it will hurt or offend 99% of the people that hear it, but it should not be said for the sake of those that might....also because its fucking tacky when you think of the potential connotations. It is extremely ignorant, I dont think my student or Bish's was being hateful, but they should have known better when they decided to go beyond their small circle of friends to say it.
oneils
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It implies that you are afraid of being mistaken for gay. What exactly would the consequence be if someone mistook you for being gay? Would those consequence be negative in nature?
How hard would it be for you to actually correct someone after they mistook you for being gay instead of pre-empting the mistake?
Ravensmash
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Serious question, is it inherently wrong being uncomfortable to be identified by a sexuality you are not? I'm pretty sure that's not exclusive to heterosexual individuals.
The term I agree with somewhat, but to say that's it is always used in a derogatory manner is a stretch. It's immature and ignorant possibly, but I don't think it's homophobic as such.
Arsenic Yellow
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because it is implying that being gay is a bad thing. It's basically saying "here are these chocolates, but don't worry, I'm not gay."
As someone who's been on the receiving end of an unwelcome kiss from a member of the same sex, I suppose that'd be an uncomfortable consequence for being mistaken for being gay at a party held by a gay roommate. Dude was drunk, but still.
In any case, the phrase I feel can be pretty damaging if the connotation is mistaken, which I expect a lot of teens do, listening to it used in rap and whatnot. So really, I'd kill the thing entirely.
There's nothing wrong with this. I'd rather appear heterosexual than homosexual, considering I am the former.
EDIT: Although the word you used—"afraid"—has negative connotation and implies fear. Which would be weird in real life.
I think a person comes off as a snickering middle school kid if they reinforce that they're not gay in situations where there's either no ambiguity or sexuality wasn't even a consideration until they brought it up for the sole purpose of reminding everyone that they're straight.
Some of you should really think about this from the perspective of a gay person.
If people were going around using a phrase that made sure people knew they weren't gay (as if that would be SUCH a horrible thing if someone even thought they might be gay), would that not make you very uncomfortable?
Just imagine being gay and a person is so uncomfortable with the idea of being gay themselves that they need to clarify to others that they are in fact not gay.
It would kind of hurt your feelings, no?
If people were going around using a phrase that made sure people knew they weren't gay (as if that would be SUCH a horrible thing if someone even thought they might be gay), would that not make you very uncomfortable?
Just imagine being gay and a person is so uncomfortable with the idea of being gay themselves that they need to clarify to others that they are in fact not gay.
It would kind of hurt your feelings, no?
oneils
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Well, there is a difference between preference and fear. Sure, I'd prefer that people understood that I was heterosexual. But I'm not so afraid of people thinking the opposite that I walk around reminding people.
edit: saw your edit. Yeah, I used the word fear.
No, it only implies that i want to avoid awkward situation in the case the one that received the gift have feelings for the one that sent it
regardless of your vision of homosexuality having to reject someone that you do not like is an awkward situation
Winterfang
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I don't think is implying that being gay is a bad, it's implying that this special little detail is strictly platonic.
RedNalgene
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Passing stuff like that out in class is completely innapropriate. It's so easy to offend someone and even if Bish wasn't personally offended by it id bet he could get in trouble if a student WAS offended and he didn't do anything about it.
Arsenic Yellow
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You explained this a lot better than my "Chocolate I'm not gay quote". Thank you for being so eloquent
oneils
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Is it really necessary, though? That is the part that I don't get. I've never come across a situation where I felt it was necessary to remind someone of my heterosexuality. Even when gay men flirt with me. Its pretty obvious that they know I am not interested and that I am not gay. So I just say I'm not interested.
It's definitely not wrong to be uncomfortable. In fact I myself am super uncomfortable when girls hit on me.
But there's quite a difference between being uncomfortable and having to verbally reassure others that you are in fact not gay, occasionally in situations where it's probably not even implied (like the one in the OP).
Looks like those little Dove ones, and they are really good... Some people left me a handful of them when I went to collect a portable projector I had set up for them at work earlier in the day.
You got it backwards. Samuel L. Jackson is the one who puts on a Bishoptl mask everytime he leaves the house.
Arozay
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A very special episode of Bish's classroom.
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