Johnny2Bags
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voady said:
I would personally go with the 5850 and the I5 2500k without a doubt...
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I would personally go with the 5850 and the I5 2500k without a doubt...
Johnny2Bags
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5850s both stock and with a mild overclock still outperform 6850s and certainly 460s in most of my games...
And the i5 is the processor that I should have waited for (sandy bridge)
And the i5 is the processor that I should have waited for (sandy bridge)
Johnny2Bags
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5850s use significantly less power than 460s and I'm running two in Crossfire at the moment with no heat problems.
Johnny2Bags said:
Pretty much the same power consumption.
As for noise:
That's missing the GTX 460, but it's pretty equivalent to the 6850. The 5850 is actually really damned quiet...much better cooler than the 6850. Of course, if you get the Asus or Gigabyte version of the 6850, those are extremely quiet.
Telosfortelos
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Regarding the 5850 vs 460 debate, you might also consider a 5870 for $170 after rebate right now, 190 before rebate.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150476&cm_re=5870-_-14-150-476-_-Product
That's a great price for the card, and well within that sub-$200 sweet spot.
Barring that, the 5850 should normally out perform a 460, but if you're going with a 460, I'd probably go for the 1gb models unless you just get a really great deal on 768mb card.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150476&cm_re=5870-_-14-150-476-_-Product
That's a great price for the card, and well within that sub-$200 sweet spot.
Barring that, the 5850 should normally out perform a 460, but if you're going with a 460, I'd probably go for the 1gb models unless you just get a really great deal on 768mb card.
metareferential
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Guys, what's the most efficient and simple way to keep my rig cool and quiet? I have a gtx480, and while temperatures are not a problem since the stock fans do their jobs, it can get pretty loud.
I normally don't mind since I'm either using speakers or headphones, but if there's a simple upgrade I can make to make it quieter, maybe without resorting to change the case, I'll do it.
Anything you recommend?
I normally don't mind since I'm either using speakers or headphones, but if there's a simple upgrade I can make to make it quieter, maybe without resorting to change the case, I'll do it.
Anything you recommend?
The Omega Man
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it's a 700W ModXStream-proscogoth said:
voady said:
here's some benchmarks between the video cards ...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3809/nvidias-geforce-gtx-460-the-200-king/6
and i'd go with the i5 cpu without a doubt.
Johnny2Bags
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TheExodu5 said:
Yeah I have the Gigabyte version of the card as well as the Asus Direct CU top I believe...
I'm surprised by that wattage comparison, Maybe it's idle wattage that I'm thinking of where AMD comes out above Nvidia by a fairly large margin? Either way I honestly have no regrets with my video card purchases... the 5850 has been impressive for me, and like many I bought the first card at a premium price, and then upgraded to crossfire when I got a new position/raise at my job.
With the new 11.4 preview drivers giving such a huge benefit to ATI cards, I'm honestly more than satisfied... I do run into the occasional game that doesn't support crossfire, but so far no hitch's.. I can even overclock both cards through afterburner or CCC with no hiccups.
Johnny2Bags
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metareferential said:
My newest issue of Maximum PC has a "quiet" build, where they install thin soundproof PC material on the inside of the case and take measurements of the results before and after I believe.. Granted they chose parts with silent performance in mind, but it's still an option I'd imagine.
OK! So, I asked yesterday whether running my i5 with only air cooling at 4.2 ghz was going to kill the thing, even with an idle CPU temp of 36C, and never going over the 60s even at full load. Someone asked for a screen cap of cpu z, so here it is:
Anything here I should be concerned about? I'd like to run at this speed all the time, but not if I'm going to start killing components. Thanks!
Anything here I should be concerned about? I'd like to run at this speed all the time, but not if I'm going to start killing components. Thanks!
TOAO_Cyrus
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Cheech said:
Edit woops didn't notice that was a 760, not sure how that overclocks.
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Cheech said:OK! So, I asked yesterday whether running my i5 with only air cooling at 4.2 ghz was going to kill the thing, even with an idle CPU temp of 36C, and never going over the 60s even at full load. Someone asked for a screen cap of cpu z, so here it is:
Anything here I should be concerned about? I'd like to run at this speed all the time, but not if I'm going to start killing components. Thanks!
Well, your vcore is really high. You'll definitely shorten the life of the CPU running that voltage 24/7, and quite frankly depending on the motherboard you could other board issues before your CPU sees EOL from it. Intel spec doesn't recommend anything over 1.4, and though you can go higher than that I probably wouldn't unless you have enthusiast grade motherboard at the very least. I would consider maybe coming down to like 4 Ghz and start dropping the Vcore and see how low you can get it while keeping it stable. Personally I don't even go to 4ghz on my i5-750 for 24/7 purposes, but I don't do any video encoding or anything regularly to justify it except gaming which doesn't consume enough of my time for me to consider it really.
scogoth said:
Thanks to you and others for the advice. It's dead solid stable at 4.2, but I'll back that vcore down a touch and see what's what. I'm using an Asrock board (P55 Deluxe 3?), which lets me tune basically anything I want in the BIOS, and a quick cmos wipe button for when I mess up. It really is a great board. I've used Asus boards for most of my computer builds, but the Asrock has impressed me. I'm building a pair of Sandy Bridge builds for friends within the next week, and went Asrock for both of them. Hope the price/performance is as good as my older board.
Hawk269
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Can I get Gaf's opinion and insight into Raid for HDD's?
I bought 2 of the Samsung Spinpoint 1TB HDD's and a friend said I should put them in a Raid configuration. Think is, I am not too sure what it is and would it be beneficial for me. I did Google it and read up so I have a better understanding, but just wondering if I can get some input, do any of you gamers have a Raid configuration?
I bought 2 of the Samsung Spinpoint 1TB HDD's and a friend said I should put them in a Raid configuration. Think is, I am not too sure what it is and would it be beneficial for me. I did Google it and read up so I have a better understanding, but just wondering if I can get some input, do any of you gamers have a Raid configuration?
Hawk269 said:
Raid 0 - 2 drives act as one, better speeds but if one drive fails all data lost
Raid 1 - Drive 1 is mirrored on drive 2, half the space but data backed up
Raid 5 - Drives are combined and parity data stored on one drive, multiple drives linked as one and data is safe but no speed advantage.
Then you can start mixing like raid 0+1, speed and data back up but requires at least 4 drives.
Really in the consumer space its not worth it. You really want speed get a an ssd, want to go crazy, get 2 ssds and setup a raid 0.
Hazaro said:
I will provide moral support.
Hawk269
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Hazaro said:
Haz or whoever. I was able to get the Spinpoints for 55 bucks each. With the other money I spent, right now SSD is out of the question.
So I will be putting together the rig tomorrow, when I ply them in and the system goes to post do I set up the raid via the bios first or do I install Windows and then do the raid set up? Sorry if this is noobish, but I just learned of raid this morning.
RAID 0 is stupid, IMO. You are doubling your (already relatively high) chances of data loss...yeah, better performance...but if that's what you're after, go SSD as Hazaro said. Otherwise, RAID 1 FTW.
Use the built-in "Intel Rapid Storage Technology" that's in P67 boards. Check your manual - but you typically just press cntrl-I or something like that to get into the BIOS for the RAID and set it up. Your manual will tell you what to do...it's cake.
Hawk269 said:
Use the built-in "Intel Rapid Storage Technology" that's in P67 boards. Check your manual - but you typically just press cntrl-I or something like that to get into the BIOS for the RAID and set it up. Your manual will tell you what to do...it's cake.
Hawk269 said:
Don't worry about it too much. Just take it slow and follow the manual. If that's not clear - Google. If that's not clear, post here.
Also, you will get varying opinions. Doesn't mean I'm right or other dude is right...just decide what is important for you.
RAID 0 = performance (one drive dies, you are toast - but 2 drives acting as one for performance)
RAID 1 = redundancy (one drive dies, other drive is live/real-time backup - no data loss, no downtime)
scogoth said:
I have no problem with that. I am just Mr. Conservative. lol...My main reason for RAID 1 is I am paranoid about Win7 and their damn activation BS. It's sad. But you do get read performance benefits. 2 drives with the same copy of data. It's just the writes that suffer.
Hawk269
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Thanks for the replies folks, I need to decide what to do now.
Another question now....
I had my GF order the Ram for me, told her what to get which is the GSkill that most recommend, but she never ordered it. Which is kind of good since i was not sure about what wanted.
What is the best RAM to get right now, unless it is the Gskill everyone talks about? I am looking for 2 sticks of 4gb each. I am willing to spend a little more for better ram for the system.
Again, much appreciation for all the input.
Another question now....
I had my GF order the Ram for me, told her what to get which is the GSkill that most recommend, but she never ordered it. Which is kind of good since i was not sure about what wanted.
What is the best RAM to get right now, unless it is the Gskill everyone talks about? I am looking for 2 sticks of 4gb each. I am willing to spend a little more for better ram for the system.
Again, much appreciation for all the input.
sk3tch said:
Your not doubling your chance of data loss, the chance of loosing a drive is the same with 2 or 4, or 1, drives can die. This is what backup's are for.
SSD is faster but also cost ~$1.75 per GB vs ~$.06 per GB for a traditional HD.
At that price I can get 4 1tb drive, run them in raid 10 and still have plenty of money and space left over while having a constant backup.
akmcbroom said:
Right, but RAID 0 has no room for error. One drive dies and you have a higher chance of data loss than if you were in RAID 1. Assuming people actually backup their data..then yeah...go nuts with RAID 0, I guess...but if your RAID 0 array goes boom you are not going to be able to recover very quickly while you wait for RMA or buy a new drive and wait for it to arrive (or pay out the ass for local).
Enjoy running RAID 10 on a consumer-class built-in RAID.
black_vegeta
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4 HDD's w/Raid 0+1
*rubs chin with great interest*
I just bought 2 from the Newegg Spinpoint sale. I'll be buying the 2 more.
<3 this thread. Buckets full of information.
*rubs chin with great interest*
I just bought 2 from the Newegg Spinpoint sale. I'll be buying the 2 more.
<3 this thread. Buckets full of information.
sk3tch said:Right, but RAID 0 has no room for error. One drive dies and you have a higher chance of data loss than if you were in RAID 1. Assuming people actually backup their data..then yeah...go nuts with RAID 0, I guess...but if your RAID 0 array goes boom you are not going to be able to recover very quickly while you wait for RMA or buy a new drive and wait for it to arrive (or pay out the ass for local).
Enjoy running RAID 10 on a consumer-class built-in RAID.
I see your point, if I were running raid, I usually buy 3 drives, not including my backup, so I have an extra and don't have to wait.
have you had RAID 10 problems on consumer mobo's? I've only run it on server hardwaresk3tch said:
Agreed, you will always see better results with a decent RAID card.
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