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"I need a New PC!" 2012 Thread. 22nm+28nm, Tri-Gate, and reading the OP. [Part 1]
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Great! Thank you so much!
Unfortunately I can't help you with your question, but I am curious as to which cpu cooler you are using. I have the same chip and was getting mid-60's (via realtemp) at 4.2ghz with 1.175 v. That's with a hyper 212+. I haven't tried upping the voltage yet because I have a feeling that I'm going to fly past the temps you're getting.
Wolf Akela
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Antecs are good but specify which Antec that is.
GPU manufacturers overrate the minimum wattage since a lot of people buy crappy PSUs that can't even delivery half the wattage it claims. A system with a 6850 on full gaming load only eats ~300w.
dear neogaf, i need a new pc.
Your Current Specs: hp pavilion laptop x2 2.2ghz zm-82/4650m
Budget: $1000~ canada
Main Use: Gaming (5), Emulation (PS2/Wii)(3), HD Streaming(5), General Usage (5)
Monitor Resolution: 1080p, no plans to upgrade, have monitor.
List SPECIFIC games that you MUST be able to play: starcraft 2 w/ streaming. i wont die if i cant play other games [skyrim/bf3/whatever] on ultra, but i'm enough of a graphics horse to want high/1080p/40-60fps/AA optional.
Looking to reuse any parts? n/a.
When will you build?: 1-3 months. sooner if there's a newegg promotion through GESL, later if not.
Will you be overclocking?: probably.
i greatly dislike large frame drops in my starcraft and i'd like to have the ability to stream some games, so i would say starcraft on high and/or ultra with a 720p stream going out would be the 'this is what i want' baseline.
ps2 emulation would be a nice bonus, but i wouldn't call it a deal breaker.
other than starcraft the computer would be my entry into pc gaming, so while there arent many minimum benchmarks i can name, id like to keep options open for other games without needing to turn around and upgrade again next year if i fall in love with steam.
note: there's a lot of 'i dont knows!' for me when it comes to computer hardware, so im leery of picking from the reccommended builds list because, well, i dont know what i need or what things cost. i say $1000~ but i dont know if thats a lot for what i need or cutting it close. so yeah, i need informed opinions. -.-
Your Current Specs: hp pavilion laptop x2 2.2ghz zm-82/4650m
Budget: $1000~ canada
Main Use: Gaming (5), Emulation (PS2/Wii)(3), HD Streaming(5), General Usage (5)
Monitor Resolution: 1080p, no plans to upgrade, have monitor.
List SPECIFIC games that you MUST be able to play: starcraft 2 w/ streaming. i wont die if i cant play other games [skyrim/bf3/whatever] on ultra, but i'm enough of a graphics horse to want high/1080p/40-60fps/AA optional.
Looking to reuse any parts? n/a.
When will you build?: 1-3 months. sooner if there's a newegg promotion through GESL, later if not.
Will you be overclocking?: probably.
i greatly dislike large frame drops in my starcraft and i'd like to have the ability to stream some games, so i would say starcraft on high and/or ultra with a 720p stream going out would be the 'this is what i want' baseline.
ps2 emulation would be a nice bonus, but i wouldn't call it a deal breaker.
other than starcraft the computer would be my entry into pc gaming, so while there arent many minimum benchmarks i can name, id like to keep options open for other games without needing to turn around and upgrade again next year if i fall in love with steam.
note: there's a lot of 'i dont knows!' for me when it comes to computer hardware, so im leery of picking from the reccommended builds list because, well, i dont know what i need or what things cost. i say $1000~ but i dont know if thats a lot for what i need or cutting it close. so yeah, i need informed opinions. -.-
I'm in Japan and they don't seem to sell the ANTEC VP450.
They do have the ANTEC EA 450 though. It's quite pricier but will it fit the bill?
Or do any of these look/sound familiar that might equally fit the bill?
They do have the ANTEC EA 450 though. It's quite pricier but will it fit the bill?
Or do any of these look/sound familiar that might equally fit the bill?
Anyone ever heard of or order stuff from gadgetneeds.net? They're selling a Fractal R3 for $87.99, and while that's great and everything, seems to be just a bit cheaper than where everywhere else is selling it.
Edit - Seems slightly impossible to even progress through the checkout anyway, so it's probably for the better. I'm waiting for Newegg to slap free shipping on one of the cases.
Edit - Seems slightly impossible to even progress through the checkout anyway, so it's probably for the better. I'm waiting for Newegg to slap free shipping on one of the cases.
BackwardsSuggestions
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Turns out there was no thermal paste on my processor. Asked my friend and his exact reaction was "Oh yeah...Forgot to check that" Guess he didn't spread it enough or whatever.
So my CPU fan is busted and my PC no longer boots and gives me a CPU overheat warning and shuts down. If I completely remove the fan, it boots but blue screens after about 10 seconds.
Taken it to work with me and my other, less stupid friend will have a look at it tomorrow.
So my CPU fan is busted and my PC no longer boots and gives me a CPU overheat warning and shuts down. If I completely remove the fan, it boots but blue screens after about 10 seconds.
Taken it to work with me and my other, less stupid friend will have a look at it tomorrow.
Do you have to apply thermal paste to all processors you buy? Even if you don't plan on OC'ing? No processor comes with it already applied?
Your CPU cooler will usually come with some thermal paste substance already applied. You can also remove that and apply your own, as the already applied stuff usually isn't as good.
Looking real good. Slick case!
Vigilant Walrus
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Does anyone run Windows 8 beta? Are the requirements harsher than Win7`?
I am really scared that Win8 will be another Vista fiasco... I have never tried a metro device, but I heard a lot of bad things as far as desktop PCs goes. I've been told they have developed a system primarily designed for touch, and not mouse!
I am really scared that Win8 will be another Vista fiasco... I have never tried a metro device, but I heard a lot of bad things as far as desktop PCs goes. I've been told they have developed a system primarily designed for touch, and not mouse!
A lot of games run like crap in it. I don't really see why you'd want to run it as your main OS right now. It's buggy and, yeah, the Metro interface looks like a crap desktop environment. So its biggest selling point is actually a liability for serious desktop users.
Windom Earle
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A friend told me 64GB is not enough for an SSD. Should I really go for 128?
If you're just putting the OS and a few apps on there, 64GB is fine. If you want to put a game or two on there, especially an MMO, then go 128GB.
Windom Earle
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Cheers, will do.
The benefits:
- If a stick craps out and you have to send a pair back, you still have a functioning computer.
- Possibly cheaper.
Drawbacks:
- It can be more difficult to get RAM overclocked to extreme levels. You're only as fast as your weakest link.
- You're using 4 sockets. If you decide you want even more RAM in the future, it means you'd probably have to toss 2 sticks into the trash (or ebay).
Most people aren't running 30" monitors. I think most people have known that the 7970 has a stronger memory system and that on 25x16 and multi-monitor setups the Kepler chips start to feel it. Also if you look at frame latency the Radeons are FAR worse than the GeForces. Average FPS just tell half the story. And it's not just performance dragging down the 7000 series. They'd be a lot better regarded if AMD hadn't decided to price gouge the crap out of customers. If the 7970 came out at $400 you'd see a lot more people have respect for them.
The DC2 MSRP is $400, the TOP is $420. Retailers are just gouging us before they even show up. I'll be waiting until I can grab one for $400.
Thanks. I think I'm gonna go 4x4. I probably won't be upgrading for at least a year or so.
First of all, Vista wasn't that bad. A lot of the benefits that people saw in Windows 7 actually existed in Windows Vista as it was the first Microsoft OS to make Windows more modular. People did not give Vista a chance because of tech perception (whatever the hell that is.) To me, it's not surprising that people continue to spew the hate machine when they don't know certain built-in Windows functions. I still see people on these boards recommending memtest86 and backup tools when Windows already has them built-in.
Windows 8 is great. Running it as an upgrade from my Windows 7 installation, and I don't have any issues at all. PC users tend to be the most conservative when it comes to changes.
The kernel is even lighter than Windows 7's, so the requirements are less stringent. Uses less RAM as well.
I can use a keyboard and mouse just fine on it. Metro serves as a replacement to the useless Windows Gadgets that existed for Windows Vista and 7 and a fancy Start menu launcher.
As for games, I've only tried Sonic Generations and Starcraft 2, and both work flawlessly.
mkenyon, you are my hero.
Rearranged my H60 rad last night... now it is set up as:
<-Fan|Rad|Fan<- on my 600t exhaust.
CPU temps never got above low 40s in Diablo.
That, combined with putting the mesh side on instead of the plastic, lowered my SLI temps significantly. One card stayed in the 60s while the other never went above the 70s in Diablo.
Before, these were both in the 80s.
Thanks again for your help and suggestions. Still going to try to order some of those BitFenix Pro 200s to replace the stocks with, as well.
Rearranged my H60 rad last night... now it is set up as:
<-Fan|Rad|Fan<- on my 600t exhaust.
CPU temps never got above low 40s in Diablo.
That, combined with putting the mesh side on instead of the plastic, lowered my SLI temps significantly. One card stayed in the 60s while the other never went above the 70s in Diablo.
Before, these were both in the 80s.
Thanks again for your help and suggestions. Still going to try to order some of those BitFenix Pro 200s to replace the stocks with, as well.
I need a new computer but im not opposed to buying a pre-made one. If I go that route, what should should I be looking for as far as a setup that I can upgrade in the future? Any specific mobo, CPU, GPU I should watch out for? Basically all I wanna do is play Diablo and Starcraft and not have my computer come to a screeching halt.
I'm in the exact same boat. Playing Diablo 3 on low settings at under 30FPS on my 3 year old MBP was depressing.
Don't discount looking at the 670, almost as good as the 680 but a fair bit less cash.
DenogginizerOS
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I may need to give up my Samsung XL2370 monitor. I have a GTX 560 Ti. What is the best monitor in the 24-27" range nowadays? Is it the Dell U2412M?
I would but I'm already coughing up a fair amount of money. At this point id rather just get exactly the card i want even if it means i gotta wait a few.
DenogginizerOS
BenjaminBirdie's Thomas Jefferson
Check out Velocity Micro.
Edvardelis
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Vista was a brand new architecture. So when you combine new hardware with new drivers that companies had zero experience with developing and the fact that minimum PC requirements were a jump up from Windows XP... it's no surprise the whole thing was a mess. Once the driver situation stabilized and computer hardware caught up Vista was fine.
Windows 7 uses the same architecture as Vista and thus didn't have any growing pains at all.
Well, if you don't really mind pre-made, maybe you should go to this thread:
Alienware X51 thread of 2.56TFLOPS comfy couch gaming at 180W in a console size box
OP. Pick out a price.
SC2 likes really speedy cores, so a 2500K OC'd to 4.5Ghz is a good bet.
*INTERNET FIVE*
Tarin02543
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I'm running on a Win7 upgrade from Vista for a few weeks and I just cannot believe how much smoother my system is, from games to email.
Best 100 euros I've spent on upgrades so far.
Best 100 euros I've spent on upgrades so far.
Fair enough then, I just don't think the £/$100 price difference is enough to warrant this much of a gain performance wise but at the end of the day it's your money
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/598?vs=555
That thing is so damn cool, but I wouldn't buy one right now until it gets updated with Ivy Bridge and Kepler. After that happens though I'm suggesting that one of my console exclusive friends pick it up. Trying to get him to register for a steam account so I can just start buying him games come the next sale
Fair enough then, I just don't think the £/$100 price difference is enough to warrant this much of a gain performance wise but at the end of the day it's your money
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/598?vs=555
Thats a good point. I do eventually plan on getting a second one so i guess I'm just a bit fussy. The other thing is that newegg doesn't have either one of them, so thats a bummer.
If you're planning to go SLI think of it as 100 bucks towards a new card
Just something to consider anyway It's time! First time building my own PC, wish me luck.
Good luck! How exciting! have fun doing it
If you're planning to go SLI think of it as 100 bucks towards a new card
I have both on alert so whichever one gets there first is the one i'll end up grabbing.
That thing is so damn cool, but I wouldn't buy one right now until it gets updated with Ivy Bridge and Kepler. After that happens though I'm suggesting that one of my console exclusive friends pick it up. Trying to get him to register for a steam account so I can just start buying him games come the next sale
I reaaaaally tought about getting one, looks super cool, if it carried a 7850 and i5 2500K I woulnd't even think about it.
JetBlackPanda
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ok.. well the wife has given me the go ahead to build a new computer..I haven't built a gaming rig in over 10 years but I know I can still do it.
my budget is about $1k max and I need a monitor and an OS.
HELP!! is my best bet to just build a computer based off the guide in the OP???
thanks GAF!
Edit:
How does this look? I know its all stuff in the OP.
am I missing anything? better deals?? etc.. etc..
my budget is about $1k max and I need a monitor and an OS.
HELP!! is my best bet to just build a computer based off the guide in the OP???
thanks GAF!
Edit:
How does this look? I know its all stuff in the OP.
am I missing anything? better deals?? etc.. etc..
UltimateIke
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I'm using the Hyper 212 EVO, and the ambient temperature is around 72°F (~22°C). The core temperatures have yet to go over 75°C (with RealTemp) while running Prime95. However, my 2500k is at least 10°C cooler at the same clock with a 212+. Ivy Bridge's temperatures are whack.
I think I have 4.5GHz stable around 1.23/1.24V; however, that seems high to me for Ivy Bridge. Anyone with a (semi-)professional opinion?
chaosblade
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What would the HDD of choice be for a media drive? The drive I'm using now has been kind of finicky lately, and checking up on the SMART information, it's basically telling me I need to replace it.
Was thinking an F4, but apparently those have already been handed off to Seagate. With all that involves, I'm hesitant and looking at other options. Doesn't need to be particularly fast, or even big for that matter. Probably wouldn't want to go less than 640GB, but that's what I'm using now and it's not full.
Was thinking an F4, but apparently those have already been handed off to Seagate. With all that involves, I'm hesitant and looking at other options. Doesn't need to be particularly fast, or even big for that matter. Probably wouldn't want to go less than 640GB, but that's what I'm using now and it's not full.
maks
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It's time! First time building my own PC, wish me luck.
I got Maximus V Gene, i2600k, Corsair Vengeance, and Gigabyte 760. Loving it! Good luck!
UltimateIke
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I bought one of the "Seagate" F3s, and it looks identical to my Samsung F3 and scores the same when benchmarked. I've been using the Samsung F3 heavily for 8 months for media and games and it has never given me any issues.
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