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"I need a New PC!" 2012 Thread. 22nm+28nm, Tri-Gate, and reading the OP. [Part 1]

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_Isaac

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You want to put your most use programs, like internet browser, on the SSD. The more space your SSD has the more you can put on it. Generally, it's a good idea to leave about 10-15% of the space free so your SSD can do it's garbage collection routine.

Ah okay. Thank you.
 

Jackben

bitch I'm taking calls.
In the same line of questioning as the above:

I am using a 60GB OCZ Agility SSD for my OS and a 500GB WD Blue drive as my main storage. Do I need to create a partition on the hdd drive in order to use it to store bulk data there? I was thinking I'd put a bunch of games and music and pictures on this drive so the SSD could be freed up for only my browser etc. Are there special settings I need to enable to have programs read data from the hdd?

Also there any other functions I can move over to the regular spindel hdd to help save space on my SSD? Someone told me to move certain folders like My Documents / Videos / Music etc over to the other drive but I don't understand how that is done. I tried to earlier and it kept just throwing a link to my hdd onto my SSD.

Sorry if the above is confusing, been trying to set this up all night. Finding the software part much more difficult than the hardware!
 

mkenyon

Banned
Undecided post here. I'm trying to decide whether or not its worth it to buy an entirely new computer since my mobo can't handle Ivy bridge.

Current system specs;
i7-920, 6gigs, 5850ATI

If I buy a new system;
I7-3930x, 32gigs, 680GTX (if I can find it).

If I laterally upgrade;
i7-920, 8 gigs, 560TI.

Budget isn't the issue, its just whether the per dollar value of the new system is worth the relatively low amount of money for the lateral upgrade.

Important note: I run games on a TV monitor with a native resolution of 1080p that cannot go higher even if I gypsy HDMI.

8gigs? You have triple channel RAM. Also, 3930K is Sandybridge-E, not Ivy. Finally, your 920 overclocked to 3.8-4.2 (fairly easy even on a good air cooler) will not bottleneck anything. It's still a really really capable processor. If you're having trouble clocking well, you might look into better memory for easier BCLK increases. You can upgrade if you need every ounce of performance possible, but it doesn't make a lot of sense if you have a budget.
In the same line of questioning as the above:

I am using a 60GB OCZ Agility SSD for my OS and a 500GB WD Blue drive as my main storage. Do I need to create a partition on the hdd drive in order to use it to store bulk data there? I was thinking I'd put a bunch of games and music and pictures on this drive so the SSD could be freed up for only my browser etc. Are there special settings I need to enable to have programs read data from the hdd?

Also there any other functions I can move over to the regular spindel hdd to help save space on my SSD? Someone told me to move certain folders like My Documents / Videos / Music etc over to the other drive but I don't understand how that is done. I tried to earlier and it kept just throwing a link to my hdd onto my SSD.

Sorry if the above is confusing, been trying to set this up all night. Finding the software part much more difficult than the hardware!
Windows disk management -> create partition -> profit
 

Jackben

bitch I'm taking calls.
Case: BitFenix Shinobi Window ATX Mid Tower Case
CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
Motherboard: Biostar TZ77XE3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair XMS3 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
Hard Drive: OCZ Agility 60GB SSD
Video Card: Asus Radeon HD 6870 1GB Video Card
Power Supply: Antec 550W ATX12V Power Supply

Is a windows experience score of 7.7 decent for the above set up? Haven't overclocked yet.
 

NoRéN

Member
Hazaro, I'm about to pull the trigger on your recommended Antec 450w.

However, newegg just recommended this at me:
Cooler Master 500w

Similar in price and newegg says this one has 5 peripheral connections. However, amazon says only 3.

Better off sticking with your recommendation? Or is the cooler master a good deal?
 

Hazaro

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NoRéN;38592842 said:
Hazaro, I'm about to pull the trigger on your recommended Antec 450w.

However, newegg just recommended this at me:
Cooler Master 500w

Similar in price and newegg says this one has 5 peripheral connections. However, amazon says only 3.

Better off sticking with your recommendation? Or is the cooler master a good deal?
VP450. Both PSUs are overratted, but the Antec is the better unit of the two. I also like it's power layout:
SATA SATA
Molex Molex
Molex SATA

If you need more, buy some splitters.
 

J0dy77

Member
Last question from me before I pull the trigger.

Which processor will give me more gaming bang for my buck:

i3 2120 or Amd fx-4100? Or would I be better off going for the AMD FX-8120 for the extra $50. Would it provide that big of a performance jump?
 
The i3 will be more consistent and not require an overclock. I would get the Phenom II x4 960t if going AMD though. Same price as the 4100, will do 4Ghz easily and it's a true quad.

You can also get away with a much cheaper board with the i3.
 

Danj

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Heck, my R3 with its 2 stock fans and the Macho's fan cranked up to their maximum RPM are inaudible from more than a couple feet away.

The R3 is apparently being phased out though, it isn't available on newegg anymore.

What would you recommend instead? Also, needs to be something that doesn't have vents on the top, unfortunately my parents have a cat which likes to sit on top of the server.

As far as CPU is concerned do I really need an i7? I wasn't planning on doing anything particularly strenuous on it, probably just have the host OS as Linux with a type 2 virtual machine on top of it (i.e. not a hypervisor as there will be a piece of hardware which needs to be usable by the host system) running Windows as a guest OS. I'm not going to be mining bitcoins or anything like that.
 

kharma45

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The i3 will be more consistent and not require an overclock. I would get the Phenom II x4 960t if going AMD though. Same price as the 4100, will do 4Ghz easily and it's a true quad.

You can also get away with a much cheaper board with the i3.

Plus you've the option if you wanted to go for an i5 or i7 later down the line.

I agree though get a Phenom II over the 4100.
 

MrBig

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What would you recommend instead? Also, needs to be something that doesn't have vents on the top, unfortunately my parents have a cat which likes to sit on top of the server.

As far as CPU is concerned do I really need an i7? I wasn't planning on doing anything particularly strenuous on it, probably just have the host OS as Linux with a type 2 virtual machine on top of it (i.e. not a hypervisor as there will be a piece of hardware which needs to be usable by the host system) running Windows as a guest OS. I'm not going to be mining bitcoins or anything like that.

There's the Antec p280 (idk if you can block the top vents on this one) and the Corsair 550D. Fractal unveiled some new cases at computex this week, they may also have an R4 up, then.

The i7 will help in running VMs but it's not essential. Look it up and see if it's worth the extra $100.
 

J0dy77

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The i3 will be more consistent and not require an overclock. I would get the Phenom II x4 960t if going AMD though. Same price as the 4100, will do 4Ghz easily and it's a true quad.

You can also get away with a much cheaper board with the i3.

Plus you've the option if you wanted to go for an i5 or i7 later down the line.

I agree though get a Phenom II over the 4100.

Thanks for the replies. Think I'm going to get the i3, I've always been an AMD guy but was disapointed with my last build. I'm going to go with the $80 asus board, keep things cheap. Maybe pickup an i5 or i7 down the line.

Thanks again.
 
I'm getting my list of parts together and I will post it later, but in the meantime, I'd like to ask you guys what are your opinions on a good couch surfing solution for a kewyboard/mouse?

I don't care as much for actual gaming, but I was looking into just getting a X360 controller with a chat pad (not even sure if it has mouse functionality in windows).

Is there a good wireless keyboard with track pad or gaming pad that would allow me to use the computer from a distance?
 

mkenyon

Banned
What would you recommend instead? Also, needs to be something that doesn't have vents on the top, unfortunately my parents have a cat which likes to sit on top of the server.

As far as CPU is concerned do I really need an i7? I wasn't planning on doing anything particularly strenuous on it, probably just have the host OS as Linux with a type 2 virtual machine on top of it (i.e. not a hypervisor as there will be a piece of hardware which needs to be usable by the host system) running Windows as a guest OS. I'm not going to be mining bitcoins or anything like that.

bitfenix_ghost_tpu.jpg


Ghost will be on shelves in July. I'd imagine it will be right at the $90-100 price point. Looking to be quite the case.

I'm getting my list of parts together and I will post it later, but in the meantime, I'd like to ask you guys what are your opinions on a good couch surfing solution for a kewyboard/mouse?

I don't care as much for actual gaming, but I was looking into just getting a X360 controller with a chat pad (not even sure if it has mouse functionality in windows).

Is there a good wireless keyboard with track pad or gaming pad that would allow me to use the computer from a distance?
Lenovo handheld

lenovominiwirelesskeyboardn5901_2_640.jpg


Logitech Dinovo Mini

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I'm getting my list of parts together and I will post it later, but in the meantime, I'd like to ask you guys what are your opinions on a good couch surfing solution for a kewyboard/mouse?

I don't care as much for actual gaming, but I was looking into just getting a X360 controller with a chat pad (not even sure if it has mouse functionality in windows).

Is there a good wireless keyboard with track pad or gaming pad that would allow me to use the computer from a distance?

Without a mouse and keyboard you are almost eliminating your ability to play PC exclusives and many multiplatform games actually work better with mouse and keyboard. Best bet is a Controller + wireless mouse and keyboard setup.
 

Those look great! I'll look into them.

Horsemama1956 said:
Without a mouse and keyboard you are almost eliminating your ability to play PC exclusives and many multiplatform games actually work better with mouse and keyboard. Best bet is a Controller + wireless mouse and keyboard setup.

Along with those Lenovo/Logitech thingies I'll probably go his route (a gaming controller)
 
Help me GAF, you're my only hope.

I posted about this before but the problem persists. Ever since the cable company brought me a new modem (this one) I havent been able to have my PC and Roku connected at the same time.


My connections goes coax cable > cable modem > ethernet from cable modem to a switch > 2 lines out from the switch.

Every configuration I have tried (through switch or directly to cable modem) works but only 1 at a time. I power everything down then hook it back up and only the first device I connect to works. I've looked around and I dont see anything with the modem that I need to do as it doesnt appear to have any option to forward ports.

Went through the user guide pdf here and didnt see anything. But then again I'm shit when it comes to networking. Anybody have any ideas?
 

Ledsen

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Those look great! I'll look into them.



Along with those Lenovo/Logitech thingies I'll probably go his route (a gaming controller)

Honestly I'd say go with a normal sized wireless keyboard. Think about it: is the size REALLY that big of a problem? A tiny keyboard is significantly less comfortable than a full-size one. If you want a smaller one just get one without a numpad.
 

LordAlu

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Help me GAF, you're my only hope.

I posted about this before but the problem persists. Ever since the cable company brought me a new modem (this one) I havent been able to have my PC and Roku connected at the same time.


My connections goes coax cable > cable modem > ethernet from cable modem to a switch > 2 lines out from the switch.

Every configuration I have tried (through switch or directly to cable modem) works but only 1 at a time. I power everything down then hook it back up and only the first device I connect to works. I've looked around and I dont see anything with the modem that I need to do as it doesnt appear to have any option to forward ports.

Went through the user guide pdf here and didnt see anything. But then again I'm shit when it comes to networking. Anybody have any ideas?
Do you have a different switch you can try?
 

Shambles

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Help me GAF, you're my only hope.

I posted about this before but the problem persists. Ever since the cable company brought me a new modem (this one) I havent been able to have my PC and Roku connected at the same time.


My connections goes coax cable > cable modem > ethernet from cable modem to a switch > 2 lines out from the switch.

Every configuration I have tried (through switch or directly to cable modem) works but only 1 at a time. I power everything down then hook it back up and only the first device I connect to works. I've looked around and I dont see anything with the modem that I need to do as it doesnt appear to have any option to forward ports.

Went through the user guide pdf here and didnt see anything. But then again I'm shit when it comes to networking. Anybody have any ideas?

Sounds like they might be fighting to use the same IP address. See if you can manually assign IPs to MAC addresses on the modem/router. I've never had much faith in cable modems with built in routers.
 
Do you have a different switch you can try?

No I dont, but the switch was fine before I got the new cable modem. And every port on the switch works fine.


Sounds like they might be fighting to use the same IP address. See if you can manually assign IPs to MAC addresses on the modem/router. I've never had much faith in cable modems with built in routers.


This is what I was thinking, but it is just a modem with 1 ethernet connection going out. It's not a router
 

Shambles

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No I dont, but the switch was fine before I got the new cable modem. And every port on the switch works fine.





This is what I was thinking, but it is just a modem with 1 ethernet connection going out. It's not a router

As far as I know a modem is not capable of assigning multiple IPs. Unless someone corrects me you'll need a router for your setup to work. If your setup worked with your old modem I'm guessing your old modem was a modem/router hybrid. Even if it wasn't it sounds like at this point you're just stuck with a modem that will only act as a modem.
 
As far as I know a modem is not capable of assigning multiple IPs. Unless someone corrects me you'll need a router for your setup to work. If your setup worked with your old modem I'm guessing your old modem was a modem/router hybrid. Even if it wasn't it sounds like at this point you're just stuck with a modem that will only act as a modem.

Here is the old one. It didn't have a built in router either. Maybe it had some kind of internal feature for assigning multiple IP's?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Scientific-Atlanta-Webstar-DPX2203C-2-0-eMTA-Modem-VOIP-/270571256740
 

LordAlu

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Here is the old one. It didn't have a built in router either. Maybe it had some kind of internal feature for assigning multiple IP's?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Scientific-Atlanta-Webstar-DPX2203C-2-0-eMTA-Modem-VOIP-/270571256740
Yeah, judging from some GoogleFu, it looks like you'll need an actual router. It's likely that your new modem will only allow one IP through (hence why only one device at a time works). A standard switch won't help as you're still trying to get each IP through. You'll need a router now as that will be the singe IP for the modem and it will sort out all your other connections through it.
 
Don't know how Diablo will run on that. At the very least, you could get a power supply and try it out to see how it works. That one that you have will not be sufficient.

Otherwise, the "standard" build should get what you're aiming for.
*EDIT #2*
Some case porn from computex:


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That last one may have to become mine.

is this a BTX case?
 
When i'm finally upgrading my PC (mainly due to ram/CPU)... I have everything but the asus Maximus V formula. So, no motherboard=nothing. It was supposed to launch on May and there's not even a release date. annoyed because I want that mobo. :(
 

LordAlu

Member
Thanks for the help guys.



It's this switch. And I have no idea what you just said :D


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833156270
Switches only have single ethernet ports on the back. They allow multiple IP's to talk to one another, but also look like multiple IP's to your Internet Provider (which they usually don't like) and generally look like this on the back:


A router has ethernet ports like a switch, but are separated into inputs and a WAN port. The router acts as a single IP which is what your Internet Provider sees (and will be happy with), and all your devices connect to it with their own internal IP's. The WAN port is used for the connection to your internet; in your case it would go to your cable modem:

Unfortunately it doesn't look like your new cable modem likes multiple IP's, so you'll most likely need to get a router. If you know anyone with a spare they don't use it would be ideal to test it first just to make sure.
 
Looking to upgrade my PC and I need some help.

Your Current Specs: AMD Athlon(tm) II X3 425 Processor / 2x2GB DDR3 / ASUS M4N78 PRO Motherboard / Club 3D GTS250 GPU / MS-Tech 750W ATX PSU
Budget: 500 Euros tops/The Netherlands
Main Use: Will be used for heavy gaming
Monitor Resolution: 1680x1050
List SPECIFIC games that you MUST be able to play: Metro 2033, Far Cry 2, The Witcher 2, STALKER (Future proof for at least 3 years)
Looking to reuse any parts?: Reusing everything besides RAM, CPU and GPU
When will you build?: Can wait a month or so
Will you be overclocking?: No

So I'm in the market for a new CPU and GPU. I'm already looking at a Corsair 8 GB DDR3-1600 Kit 2x4GB at 50 Euros. That leaves 450 euros for a new GPU and CPU. Now I've been looking into this and a i5-2500K seems to be a desirable CPU, and unless there are cheaper options available I'll pick one up at around 200 euros. On a GPU I'm completely clueless though. What's the most bang for your buck at around 200 euros?
 

knitoe

Member
Thanks for the help guys.



It's this switch. And I have no idea what you just said :D


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833156270

You need a router.

In simple terms, your service provider only provides one external IP address. You need a router to give you internal virtual IP address so many devices can get online.

For example, simplify, let's say your service provider gives you the IP address 1.1.1.1:

With a SWITCH, the first device that connects to the switch will get the 1.1.1.1 address. No other devices will be able to connect since the one only IP has been taken.

With a ROUTER, the router gets the external 1.1.1.1 address, but it also provides virtual internal addresses to whatever connects to it. So connected device1 gets 2.1.1.100, device2 2.1.1.1001, device3 2.1.1.1002 and so on.
 

mkenyon

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is this a BTX case?
Reverse ATX, so yes/no. BTX is slightly different, but people refer to reverse ATX as BTX anyway.
Did they drop the idea of 90° rotating? I kinda love it in my RV03
Yep. My guess was that it made the cases unnecessarily large, as well as made non-reference cards run a bit hot. The latter is much more important now with how popular they are.
When i'm finally upgrading my PC (mainly due to ram/CPU)... I have everything but the asus Maximus V formula. So, no motherboard=nothing. It was supposed to launch on May and there's not even a release date. annoyed because I want that mobo. :(
Getting into LN2 or watercooling? If not, you're really throwing your money away.

Looking to upgrade my PC and I need some help.

Your Current Specs: AMD Athlon(tm) II X3 425 Processor / 2x2GB DDR3 / ASUS M4N78 PRO Motherboard / Club 3D GTS250 GPU / MS-Tech 750W ATX PSU
Budget: 500 Euros tops/The Netherlands
Main Use: Will be used for heavy gaming
Monitor Resolution: 1680x1050
List SPECIFIC games that you MUST be able to play: Metro 2033, Far Cry 2, The Witcher 2, STALKER (Future proof for at least 3 years)
Looking to reuse any parts?: Reusing everything besides RAM, CPU and GPU
When will you build?: Can wait a month or so
Will you be overclocking?: No

So I'm in the market for a new CPU and GPU. I'm already looking at a Corsair 8 GB DDR3-1600 Kit 2x4GB at 50 Euros. That leaves 450 euros for a new GPU and CPU. Now I've been looking into this and a i5-2500K seems to be a desirable CPU, and unless there are cheaper options available I'll pick one up at around 200 euros. On a GPU I'm completely clueless though. What's the most bang for your buck at around 200 euros?
Dont forget that you'll need a new motherboard.

Not knowing how prices translate to the Netherlands, probably a 6870 or 560Ti.
 
Yep. My guess was that it made the cases unnecessarily large, as well as made non-reference cards run a bit hot. The latter is much more important now with how popular they are.
What? first time I read something like this!? My new 680GTX is not shipped yet though I thought the rotation helps getting the warm air out faster? You don't want to tell me it's ironically the opposite?
 

mkenyon

Banned
What? first time I read something like this!? My new 680GTX is not shipped yet though I thought the rotation helps getting the warm air out faster? You don't want to tell me it's ironically the opposite?
Check out the conversation that I had with Smokey on the prior page.
 
I think I have narrowed down my computer problems to either a dying PSU or a Motherboard, is there anyway I can tell for sure. I leaning towards the PSU, it would explain the random shut offs and blue screens which are more common when the computer is under load, the power supply also has a faulty cable which doesn't work. Anyone have any suggestions on how I should go forward?
 

Hazaro

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I think I have narrowed down my computer problems to either a dying PSU or a Motherboard, is there anyway I can tell for sure. I leaning towards the PSU, it would explain the random shut offs and blue screens which are more common when the computer is under load, the power supply also has a faulty cable which doesn't work. Anyone have any suggestions on how I should go forward?
Swap the PSU because it's cheaper and easier.
Replacing a mobo sucks.
 
I think I have narrowed down my computer problems to either a dying PSU or a Motherboard, is there anyway I can tell for sure. I leaning towards the PSU, it would explain the random shut offs and blue screens which are more common when the computer is under load, the power supply also has a faulty cable which doesn't work. Anyone have any suggestions on how I should go forward?


If you can get another PSU to try out that would be good (maybe from a friend, neighbour).
 
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