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"I need a New PC!" 2012 Thread. 22nm+28nm, Tri-Gate, and reading the OP. [Part 1]
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Some recent pick ups:
1x ($219.99) G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL10Q-32GBZL $219.99
1 x ($159.99) ASUS P8Z77-M PRO LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard $159.99
1 x ($99.95) Sennheiser HD 280 PRO Professional DJ Styled Headphone $99.95
2 x ($24.99) Rosewill RX-DU300 2.5" & 3.5" USB 3.0 Hard Drive Docking $49.98
1 x ($-2.99) DISCOUNT FOR PREFERRED ACCOUNT$-2.99
1 x ($-43.00) DISCOUNT FOR PROMOTION CODE$-43.0
I had a P8P67-M PRO with 2500k, got the Z77 for the USB3, eventual Ivy Bridge upgrade, and it has a TPM header as well. When I get the Ivy Bridge chip later this year I'll upgrade my media center pc with the P8P67-M PRO, 2500k, and 16GB DDR3... the memory and board now sit collecting dust. At 32GB now in my main system (VMware work).
Also USB3 is the truth, got tired of slow USB transfers.
1x ($219.99) G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL10Q-32GBZL $219.99
1 x ($159.99) ASUS P8Z77-M PRO LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard $159.99
1 x ($99.95) Sennheiser HD 280 PRO Professional DJ Styled Headphone $99.95
2 x ($24.99) Rosewill RX-DU300 2.5" & 3.5" USB 3.0 Hard Drive Docking $49.98
1 x ($-2.99) DISCOUNT FOR PREFERRED ACCOUNT$-2.99
1 x ($-43.00) DISCOUNT FOR PROMOTION CODE$-43.0
I had a P8P67-M PRO with 2500k, got the Z77 for the USB3, eventual Ivy Bridge upgrade, and it has a TPM header as well. When I get the Ivy Bridge chip later this year I'll upgrade my media center pc with the P8P67-M PRO, 2500k, and 16GB DDR3... the memory and board now sit collecting dust. At 32GB now in my main system (VMware work).
Also USB3 is the truth, got tired of slow USB transfers.
TouchMyBox
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Does this mean that I can't make you jelly anymore?
Would someone up to speed on pc prices be so kind as to take a look at this guy:
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Produc...g=en-US&Sp=C&hierPath=84*56671*78518*&topnav=
Is this a good deal? I would look for something in the i-5 range, but there seems to be a substantial downgrade(i5-2320, integrated graphics and slower ram) for the 600$ model. I'm not against building my own system, but at a glance that doesn't really look like a cheaper route.
Primary use(besides the obvious) will be a lot of work in Visual Studio and other compilers/development tools. Gaming is not a concern, but it would be a shame if I couldn't run current stuff at the lower settings. The most important part is that whatever I decide to buy, it will have to last for at least 5 years.
http://www.costco.com/Browse/Produc...g=en-US&Sp=C&hierPath=84*56671*78518*&topnav=
Is this a good deal? I would look for something in the i-5 range, but there seems to be a substantial downgrade(i5-2320, integrated graphics and slower ram) for the 600$ model. I'm not against building my own system, but at a glance that doesn't really look like a cheaper route.
Primary use(besides the obvious) will be a lot of work in Visual Studio and other compilers/development tools. Gaming is not a concern, but it would be a shame if I couldn't run current stuff at the lower settings. The most important part is that whatever I decide to buy, it will have to last for at least 5 years.
Just a quick question: how much difference in game performance does the CPU alone really make?
For really high-end games like Crysis 2 or The Witcher, what difference would it actually make if I kept the same graphics card (an HD6850), but switched from a Q6600 system to an i5 or i7 system?
For really high-end games like Crysis 2 or The Witcher, what difference would it actually make if I kept the same graphics card (an HD6850), but switched from a Q6600 system to an i5 or i7 system?
Well you silly make me jelly with that video.
Only a 470 here... but it plays Max Payne so so well. Thinking I can hold out until GK110 in Q4, assuming a consumer board is out.I picked up an OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W for my build and the 12V 6-pin and 8-pin CPU leads are too short to do proper cable management with a bottom-mounted power supply.
Can anyone recommend a place to order a good cheap set of extension cables for this?
Can anyone recommend a place to order a good cheap set of extension cables for this?
Not gonna lie, I'm a little proud of myself. After not building anything in over 5 years, it turned out pretty well, especially with the cable management.
The only issue I have is the CPU fan. I can't place it on the other side because of the ram and it's right in front of the back fan.
The back fan is blowing air in while the CPU fan is blowing air out. It's a Cooler Master 212 EVO and I was wondering if it would be possible for the CPU fan to NOT be completely covering the heatsink and stick out a little bit.
Diomedes
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Motherboard I've been waiting to go on sale has gone on sale, how much work am I in for upgrading MB? Built last year, but chose MB poorly, hoping to rectify it.
Would I need to backup/wipe/restore any drives?
Have an OEM copy of Win7, am I screwed and need to buy a new copy?
Is this a good idea?
Would I need to backup/wipe/restore any drives?
Have an OEM copy of Win7, am I screwed and need to buy a new copy?
Is this a good idea?
Hey gaf, I have a friend from the states who asked me to help him buy a gaming desktop. He don't know how to assemble the parts so it should be pre-built.
-Assembled
-$1000-$1300
-With OS
-Can play most games @ mid to high settings @ decent fps.
-Ships to within the US
Thanks.
-Assembled
-$1000-$1300
-With OS
-Can play most games @ mid to high settings @ decent fps.
-Ships to within the US
Thanks.
The back is an exhaust. Have no idea what I was thinking there.
Would it be detrimental to the PC to leave the fan as is? I tried putting it on the other side with it sticking out about a half inch as well and it didn't seem right. So it would be okay?
That kind of price jump is usually dictated by a specific need. By that, I mean surround 120hz/large format displays, insane HDD arrays, or amazing render performance. Anything outside of that is plenty well served by a $1500 budget.
Yup.
OP. If still unsure, use the OP while you are selecting the parts for the computer.
Always always always reformat between major hardware changes.
Nope.
I have no idea what your current situation is, so maybe?
What you aren't seeing is that pre-builts cut prices in all the wrong places. The OP builds give you a good foundation with the motherboard and PSU to do incremental upgrades. These dell/HP/whatever systems have horrible proprietary motherboards and PSUs I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole.
If by chance you are located in the Pac NW, I offer my services to GAFers for free. Tips in Whiskey are appreciated.
That being said, I'd crawl over the newegg, NCIX, and Tiger Direct deals if you're looking for a straight box computer that you can go home and plug in. If you want one of the middle ground type systems, where its all good non-proprietary parts but assembled by a company that gives you a warranty, there are some good links in the OP. Takes a bit more effort to get the price to where you want it to be, but well worth it in the end.
I'm going to do some google-fu on visual studio hardware usage to give you a better idea of where you want to put your money.
You can get an SSD/HDD as your primary and keep the HDD as a secondary. Just disable booting from the HDD in the bios.
I took apart my external drive and put it in my case today with my SSD and it is by far the loudest thing in there when its seeking (when the 670 isn't blowing) :/
You can just pull off the RAM "heatsink". There's some latches you can clip, and then it just peels right off. It doesn't do anything, it's entirely aesthetic.
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Okay, back to TTG.
You want an i7 or even a 6/8 core AMD like the FX8150. Visual Basic is n-threaded, which means it can use however many threads your processor has. 2600K/3770K i7s have 8, 8150s have 8, 3930Ks have 12. Bulldozer (8150) does surprisingly well in n-threaded applications, and the 1090T/1100T (Phenom IIs) do as well, if you want to go the super budget route.
The computer you selected hits this, but man, you can get so much more. Just by getting a cheap cooler (Hyper 212+ as outlined in the OP) and a decent motherboard, you can get a 25-30% linear increase in CPU performance. That's not anything to scoff at when you're talking about lots of heavy CPU tasks.
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Okay, back to TTG.
You want an i7 or even a 6/8 core AMD like the FX8150. Visual Basic is n-threaded, which means it can use however many threads your processor has. 2600K/3770K i7s have 8, 8150s have 8, 3930Ks have 12. Bulldozer (8150) does surprisingly well in n-threaded applications, and the 1090T/1100T (Phenom IIs) do as well, if you want to go the super budget route.
The computer you selected hits this, but man, you can get so much more. Just by getting a cheap cooler (Hyper 212+ as outlined in the OP) and a decent motherboard, you can get a 25-30% linear increase in CPU performance. That's not anything to scoff at when you're talking about lots of heavy CPU tasks.
Wolf Akela
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GAF, will an H61 motherboard even boot up using an Ivy Bridge? Or do I need to slap a Sandy Bridge first to get it to boot so I can update the BIOS to support Ivy?
Pulled the trigger:
Intel Core i5-3570K
GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD3H
EVGA GTX 570 SC
2x4GB Crucial Ballistix DDR3 1600
128GB Vertex4
OCZ 550W ZS PSU
Considered the Vertex4 for awhile...decided since it's going to be a boot drive with some games on it catastrophic failure is not that worrisome. It's also their first drive using Marvell silicon with their own firmware so it has a good chance of being an improvement reliability wise. Gonna use my current HDD for data.
Did it all on Newegg save for the RAM, which I picked up for $38 at Fry's!
Intel Core i5-3570K
GIGABYTE GA-Z77X-UD3H
EVGA GTX 570 SC
2x4GB Crucial Ballistix DDR3 1600
128GB Vertex4
OCZ 550W ZS PSU
Considered the Vertex4 for awhile...decided since it's going to be a boot drive with some games on it catastrophic failure is not that worrisome. It's also their first drive using Marvell silicon with their own firmware so it has a good chance of being an improvement reliability wise. Gonna use my current HDD for data.
Did it all on Newegg save for the RAM, which I picked up for $38 at Fry's!
its not using marvell silison, its using their own. They bought indilix and the vertex 4 is their first ssd with an in-house developed contoller.
Nope, it's actually a Marvell controller with Indilinx firmware. They play with the clocks on some of them but other than that, it's Marvell's part with their code. They've got a pretty good handle on reliability in most cases so I thought that was encouraging.
Hawk269
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Received my Case Labs Magnum TH10 case today...My God it's is HUGE! The care of packaging they did was simply amazing as well. The case looks incredbile and so many damn options. I love the removable Mother board tray that comes with it's own feet so if you wanted to run it like a test bed you could, then slide it back into the case. It is very modular and comes with some cool accessories to customize it.
I am currently adding my case fans to the case, mother board is installed and in a few minutes will start adding the Radiator's for he Water Cooling set up. Will post pics when I get a chance.
I am currently adding my case fans to the case, mother board is installed and in a few minutes will start adding the Radiator's for he Water Cooling set up. Will post pics when I get a chance.
Hawk269
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lmao. Yeah, I did it. I took a few pictures already, took a pic of all the parts etc. Will take a few more as I am building it. Right now, finishing up the fans and fan filters and about to install the hdd's and SSd the to HDD cage.
Hawk269
Member
Congrats! It feels good to get a boot up on the first try. I am a little nervous as I am doing my first water-cooling rig, but I think it will turn out fine (crossing fingers).
Ghost will be on shelves in July. I'd imagine it will be right at the $90-100 price point. Looking to be quite the case.
What company is this case by? Oh wait it says in the URL, Bitfenix.
Your latter half is a smart man.
Bitfenix is really winning me over. It's like Lian Li but not stupid expensive, and with some standardized features like radiator support.
Shinobi XL, Ghost, and Prodigy are amazing cases. Outlaw is equally amazing for the price. Feels like you're building in a $100 case that you can find for as low as $37.
- Your Current Specs: i5 3.2gh dual core / 8gb ram / Gigabyte H55 usb3 / Geforce GTX460 / 850Watt Corsair PSU
- Budget: $500 to $1000
- Main Use: Gaming(5), Emulation (PS2/Wii)(5), Video Editing(1), HD Streaming(5), 3D work(1), General Usage (Word, Web, 1080p playback)(5). Rate importance on a 1-5 scale. (5 Being highest)
- Monitor Resolution: Buying a new monitor 1080p
- List SPECIFIC games that you MUST be able to play: WOW, Diablo 3, Half Life when it comes out.
- Looking to reuse any parts?: Nope this is a from scratch build.
- When will you build?: Within a month or however long it takes for the parts to ship.
- Will you be overclocking?: No.
Hey guys wondering if you can review the parts I've picked out and either point out incompatibilities or changes. The computer I'm using right now is my sisters and I built it about a year ago without any problems. Now I want to build one for myself.
GIGABYTE GA-Z77-D3H LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128543
CORSAIR Professional Series Gold AX650 650W ATX12V v2.31 / EPSV12 v2.92 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC High ...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139035
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 ...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072
G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-16GBXL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231486
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
Asus VH238H Black 23" Full HD HDMI LED Backlight LCD Monitor w/Speakers
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236117
ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986
Thanks for the detailed advice. I'll start by looking over the sites you mentioned and go from there. I'm not in any way against building my own pc, it's just a matter of budget and how buying a new OS factors in(believe it or not, I'm still running XP over here).
Unfortunately, I'm in SoCal, but thanks for the offer! I'm sure I'll be seeking your advice again if I decide on one of the OP's or tech report's builds.
Witchfinder General
punched Wheelchair Mike
E3 being so awful and with my second 360 that's died I've decided to get back into PC gaming. The PC will be used in a comfy couch setting purely for games. I want it to run the best looking games at max settings comfortably for the next couple of years as well as be able to handle wii/PS2 emulation. I'm not interested in building it myself so I'd rather buy a pre-built unit from a reputable PC store. My budget is around the $2,000-2,500 AUD range. As it'll be plugged into my HDTV and surround set-up I don't need to budget for a monitor or speakers.
I've looked around and found a few set ups. What does GAF think?
http://www.jw.com.au/jw-i7-3770-gaming-tower-p-10474 (changed the SSD to 120gb, video card to 2 x 2GB AMD Radeon 7850)
Or
http://www.scorptec.com.au/system/166
Are either a good bet? Any other suggestions within Australia?
Cheers.
I've looked around and found a few set ups. What does GAF think?
http://www.jw.com.au/jw-i7-3770-gaming-tower-p-10474 (changed the SSD to 120gb, video card to 2 x 2GB AMD Radeon 7850)
Or
http://www.scorptec.com.au/system/166
Are either a good bet? Any other suggestions within Australia?
Cheers.
I would like to know what the specs of the one you got are. Looking at their page a maxed out one would be leaning towards the batshit crazy side of things.
specialguy
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Where can you find a good bitfenix mid tower case for $37?
Ya, the contest just said it was an "Aurora Package", but when I asked the guy in charge of it, he said to go to the website and max everything. Also comes with a 24" ultrasharp, steelseries kb/mouse, headset, etc. They were advertising $6500 in prizes, and the other stuff couldn't have been worth more than $1000 (a few joysticks, headsets, etc). Alienware provided all the hardware for their booth which had at least 100 machines in it.
So ya, fingers crossed, as that machine's specs would be freaking ridiculous.
Any reason you don't want to have an SSD instead?
Check mobo website and CPU Compatibility list. Some newer revisions might support Ivy out of box, but it depends on what BIOS you have.
I'd imagine most do not support IB out of the box.
Graphics?
PSU is overkill, could spend $80 there, but the AX650 should last you a looooooong while. Good unit.
HD Streaming = Streaming from your computer. Both this and Emulation really favor overclocking. Very simple to do a light OC and you have all the parts needed. Getting an 3570K for that would be good as they run lower power and seem to do better on stock voltage.
I usually am ok with Tech Report builds, but mine are obviously better
Post the specs / model / whatever.
Don't like either of those.
JW motherboard? No thanks. OCZ SSD's? Also pass.
Both come with default SLi 560's? Nope. The first one doesn't even have a single card option. At least the second one offers a 580 as an option even if that is outdated from the 670/7950.
I'd ask one of the AU overclocking websites for information on prebuilts over there.
http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-aurora-r3/fs
Sorry on my iPad and I can't get copy/paste working well. Just max everything. I know the machine would be ridiculous. Just was curious about alienware's dependability, liquid cooling performance, etc.
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