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"I need a New PC!" 2012 Thread. 22nm+28nm, Tri-Gate, and reading the OP. [Part 1]
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Yes, there are many complaints, but I have 3 OCZ Sandforce SSDs and never had one single issue. If you haven't experience any issues, I wouldn't about it.
Next consoles may not come out with hardware as power as current top end PCs, but their games are highly optimized for their hardware. For example, good luck, try running Crysis 2 with a similar console GPU on the PC. So, even the top end PC today, will probably have problems running X720/PS4 ports, until once again, new PC hardware becomes so powerful it can easy overcome the huge console optimization advantage.
Depends how good the ports are.
'Any Settings' is always vague. You shouldn't have any troubles playing on High and 1080p 60FPS, imo.
You start talking 8xAA, 1440p, bigger textures, maybe you run into 1.5GB VRAM not being enough, etc.
Don't sweat it. You've got a good machine so just wait and see what happens. Overclock that CPU though.
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
Thanks. I ordered a Samsung off of Amazon, should be here Monday so I'll be PC-less all weekend. Hopefully it all works out. Thanks again.
Currently running a Sapphire 5870 that I bought some time ago. So far its fine but I'm thinking that I will probably want to upgrade soon. I don't want to spend 200+ just for an extra +5 frames. Any suggestions on a card that will give me a noticeable boost but not cost over 250?
7850
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I searched the thread and saw that someone asked this a couple months ago, but they didn't get a response so I'll ask again.
Has anyone ordered anything from www.gadgetneeds.net? They have the case I want for $30 less than Newegg.com.
Has anyone ordered anything from www.gadgetneeds.net? They have the case I want for $30 less than Newegg.com.
http://www.resellerratings.com/store/GadgetNeeds_net
Hmm
Did you try adding it to cart? Often shipping will be like $35 on non major sites using FedEx.
Is the case you want not on Amazon?
Guys I'm thinking more and more about watercooling my PC these days...
How much of a headache it is to install it ? What about the prices ?
I'm clueless here, not to mention all the loop/LPDC-HPDC/cable diameter/push-pull fans/insert some-shit-watercooling-thing i'm squeezing through to figure out what to buy
I plan to WC an i5 2500K (OC to 4.6Ghz, cooled by a Noctua NH-U12P) and an Asus 570 GTX DCII.
And because my 600T White case deserves it
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Thanks !
How much of a headache it is to install it ? What about the prices ?
I'm clueless here, not to mention all the loop/LPDC-HPDC/cable diameter/push-pull fans/insert some-shit-watercooling-thing i'm squeezing through to figure out what to buy
I plan to WC an i5 2500K (OC to 4.6Ghz, cooled by a Noctua NH-U12P) and an Asus 570 GTX DCII.
And because my 600T White case deserves it
!Thanks !
derExperte
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But there's a big difference between real cores and Hyperthreading. In the early days some games even ran slower with HT enabled. It's in german but you'll see that the differences between HT/SMT and not are smaller than between 2 and 4 real cores: http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/prozessoren/2012/test-intel-ivy-bridge/17/, http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/prozessoren/2012/test-intel-ivy-bridge/56/ Compare the i3-2120 with the 2500K and then the 2700K.
BolognaSoup
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Does anyone here use one of the Western Digital Green drives? The 2TB drive is $99 on Amazon and I would be using it for storage of games and music mainly. My OS is on a Crucial M4. Or should I go for the WD Black 1TB for $120? How much of a difference in speed will I really see?
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
I added it to cart but the rest of the checkout process didn't even work, so it's clearly not a good reseller.
It's the NZXT H2 and it's $100 on Amazon and $110 at Newegg. I'm hoping it'll be discounted in the next two weeks because I need to build my PC and send off my rebates!
buying a new pc next week
CPU: I7-3820 SANDY BRIDGE 3.3/3.9Ghz
MB: ASUS P9X79 INTEL X79 LGA2011
RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB)DDR3 1600
VIDEO: MSI GEFORCE GTX 670 PM2D2GD5/OC
HDD: WESTERN DIGITAL 1TB GREEN SATA3 64MB
POWER: COOLERMASTER GX SERIES 750W
CASE: Thermaltake V9 Black Edition
DVD-ROM: R-DVD LG GH24NS90 DVD+R 24X SATA BLACK BOX
VENT-CPU: CoolerMaster CPU M/Socket - Hyper 212 EVO
Am I doing something wrong here?
im not from the states, so i cant follow OT products and prices
GTX 680 is 100$ higher than GTX 670 is it worth it? i just wanna play BF3 (ultra) at 60fps
thanks gaf
CPU: I7-3820 SANDY BRIDGE 3.3/3.9Ghz
MB: ASUS P9X79 INTEL X79 LGA2011
RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB)DDR3 1600
VIDEO: MSI GEFORCE GTX 670 PM2D2GD5/OC
HDD: WESTERN DIGITAL 1TB GREEN SATA3 64MB
POWER: COOLERMASTER GX SERIES 750W
CASE: Thermaltake V9 Black Edition
DVD-ROM: R-DVD LG GH24NS90 DVD+R 24X SATA BLACK BOX
VENT-CPU: CoolerMaster CPU M/Socket - Hyper 212 EVO
Am I doing something wrong here?
im not from the states, so i cant follow OT products and prices
GTX 680 is 100$ higher than GTX 670 is it worth it? i just wanna play BF3 (ultra) at 60fps
thanks gaf
BolognaSoup
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If all you want to do is play BF3 at 60fps, you can go with the i5 and 8gb of ram to save money, even the stock Intel cpu fan. The GTX 670 will get you there just fine. It gets me there and I'm using a 2560x1440 display too.
super super overkill
The products in the "excellent" build from the op should be available wherever you are. Go with the 670, not the 680; the performance difference is far less than $100.
Guys need your help here. I'm not sure which connectors I should be plugging my HDD and SDD to.
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth Z77 S1155
HDD: 1TB SATA 6gb/s
SDD: 128gb 830 SATA 6gb/s
connector options on the motherboard are;
Intel Z77 serial ATA 6GB/s connectors (7-pin SATA6G_1/2 [brown]
ASMedia serial ATA 6GB/s connectors (7-pin SATA6G_E1/E2 [grey]
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth Z77 S1155
HDD: 1TB SATA 6gb/s
SDD: 128gb 830 SATA 6gb/s
connector options on the motherboard are;
Intel Z77 serial ATA 6GB/s connectors (7-pin SATA6G_1/2 [brown]
ASMedia serial ATA 6GB/s connectors (7-pin SATA6G_E1/E2 [grey]
Oh wow, thanks for all the input guys, I'm really looking forward to building this. My only critique of my own build would be, is it bad to have an AMD GPU and an intel processor in the same machine? I was curious if there would be compatibility issues? Or if they would work in harmony just fine.
Nope makes no difference.
Aesius
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So I got the 7850, and well...I'm a bit underwhelmed, to be honest. I think I'm being bottlenecked by my CPU, like I was afraid of.
However, I can pickup an AMD Phenom II X4 965 @ Amazon for $99 right now: http://www.amazon.com/AMD-Phenom-3-4Ghz-512KB-4000MHZ/dp/B002SRQ214/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1342222356&sr=8-4&keywords=athlon+phenom
Again, I feel like it's sort of another band-aid solution, even if I overclocked it to 4ghz, and now I'm at $350 for what still might be not so amazing performance.
How much would I be looking at paying if I wanted to go the i5-2500k/3570k route (including new motherboard, and I assume RAM)?
CambriaRising
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Around 350 more, give or take.
Aesius
Member
Do you think it would be worth it, performance wise?
Upgrading to a 2500K is a really nice jump for the long-term. For now, you'd still do pretty well with a Phenom II x4 though.
faceless007
Member
Anyone know of a simple guide to overclocking Ivy Bridge? I have a 3570K on Asus P8Z77-V.
God damn delivery company .... ordered my goods on wednesday for next day delivery and they couldn't deliver on Thursday (Bank Holiday) and they did not get here today!
.... I have to drive and collect them from the depot tomorrow, makes me wonder why the fuck I paid money for next day delivery!
Ordered:
i5-2500k
Gigabyte Z69AP-D3 (Rev B3 - PCI express 3.0 version)
8gig corsair xms DDR3 1600mhz ram
MSI GTX670 OC edition
Western Digital 500gig 64mb sata 3 HDD
OCZ 550W 80 Plus Bronze PSU
Fractal Design Core 3000 Case
LG 24x DVD Burner
Arctic Silver 5
Total cost £750 including delivery.
Already to go, can't wait to get my hands on the stuff ......... pray for me that it all works!
.... I have to drive and collect them from the depot tomorrow, makes me wonder why the fuck I paid money for next day delivery!
Ordered:
i5-2500k
Gigabyte Z69AP-D3 (Rev B3 - PCI express 3.0 version)
8gig corsair xms DDR3 1600mhz ram
MSI GTX670 OC edition
Western Digital 500gig 64mb sata 3 HDD
OCZ 550W 80 Plus Bronze PSU
Fractal Design Core 3000 Case
LG 24x DVD Burner
Arctic Silver 5
Total cost £750 including delivery.
Already to go, can't wait to get my hands on the stuff ......... pray for me that it all works!
PrematureQuiche
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Where did you get this from? I am looking for that processor and have no idea what motherboard to get.
OP is full of information and examples
I'll guarantee you that's related to processor frequency, not cores/threads. That's why the 2500K and 2600K are so close. They're almost the same clock speed. 2500Ks have 'tubo boost' which means they clock up to 3.7 for single threaded performance. i3s do not.
Just to make this clear, I'm not advocating the i3 as an equal processor to the i5. I'm saying the argument "get a 2500K because quad cores will be helpful in the next gen" is a bad one.
In situations where all four threads are used, there is a marginal difference between the two. CoD is a great example, as that engine is single threaded. That's why you see a significant difference.
There is apples to apples performance against a 2500K in the only major n-threaded game. That's literally the best possible data set we can draw from.
OP, use the Sandybridge one. It's the same thing, except A) it runs hotter, and B) you might hit a thermal wall where the temps skyrocket around 4.4-4.6.
If installing something in your computer is measured by level of "headache", I'd avoid it. It's for hobbyists and fans of silence. Requires maintenance, lots of patience, and at least a weekend to set it up. 600Ts also require pretty extensive modding to get a loop set up properly in them.Guys I'm thinking more and more about watercooling my PC these days...
How much of a headache it is to install it ? What about the prices ?
I'm clueless here, not to mention all the loop/LPDC-HPDC/cable diameter/push-pull fans/insert some-shit-watercooling-thing i'm squeezing through to figure out what to buy
I plan to WC an i5 2500K (OC to 4.6Ghz, cooled by a Noctua NH-U12P) and an Asus 570 GTX DCII.
And because my 600T White case deserves it
Thanks !
And you're aiming for a much lower voltage, in the 1.1-1.27 range.
saltinekracka
Member
Got the 27" monitor hooked up. Looks dreamy.
I ran Dirt 3 for about 20 min and noticed gpu temps getting into the low to mid 70s. Is this ok or do I need to bump down the graphic settings? At what temps do I need to be concerned?
I ran Dirt 3 for about 20 min and noticed gpu temps getting into the low to mid 70s. Is this ok or do I need to bump down the graphic settings? At what temps do I need to be concerned?
Got the 27" monitor hooked up. Looks dreamy.
I ran Dirt 3 for about 20 min and noticed gpu temps getting into the low to mid 70s. Is this ok or do I need to bump down the graphic settings? At what temps do I need to be concerned?
That is around where my 670 runs when it's getting pushed hard with the fans on auto. It's fine.
Don't get a WD Green as an OS drive. For storage they are ok. Get a Samsung F3 1TB instead.
Get a 1155 Socket system like the OP build sheets list.
What were you expecting and how big of a performance jump did you get in the games you wanted at what res?
Ivy uses slightly less power normal load and a bit less volts. About 5% faster per clock.
If you OC to 4.2-4.4Ghz Ivy is a bit better, SB can clock a tiny bit higher more reliably, but it's about the same in power and cost.
If you are buying new I'd just go Ivy if you don't intend to go crazy overclocking. Same value and a bit less power draw.
CPU under 65C, GPU under 85C is ok.Got the 27" monitor hooked up. Looks dreamy.
I ran Dirt 3 for about 20 min and noticed gpu temps getting into the low to mid 70s. Is this ok or do I need to bump down the graphic settings? At what temps do I need to be concerned?
saltinekracka
Member
Thanks guys. That's a relief.
Hey again, I posted yesterday that my PC is giving me trouble, the video is crashing like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgTVXzHuSFw&feature=g-upl
Well, the problem seems to be the Steam client, it only happens when browsing the Steam client, when playing a video there, after a while the screen goes black and I have to reset, I've been watching many Youtube videos and everything's fine, bet when I watch a trailer from Steam, shit goes wrong.
Yesterday I removed all AMD from my PC and installed the latest beta Catalyst Drivers, this afternoon when browsing the Steam Store the screen went black for a second and then a message showed up saying "the display drivers failed but were recovered", this happened like 4 times ALWAYS while browsing in the Steam Client, after that the video just crashed like the link I posted.
Any ideas what could it be?
Just so you know I've been playing A LOT of Space Marine on max settings with 8X MSAA and Crysis with High settings also with 8X MSAA and not a single problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgTVXzHuSFw&feature=g-upl
Well, the problem seems to be the Steam client, it only happens when browsing the Steam client, when playing a video there, after a while the screen goes black and I have to reset, I've been watching many Youtube videos and everything's fine, bet when I watch a trailer from Steam, shit goes wrong.
Yesterday I removed all AMD from my PC and installed the latest beta Catalyst Drivers, this afternoon when browsing the Steam Store the screen went black for a second and then a message showed up saying "the display drivers failed but were recovered", this happened like 4 times ALWAYS while browsing in the Steam Client, after that the video just crashed like the link I posted.
Any ideas what could it be?
Just so you know I've been playing A LOT of Space Marine on max settings with 8X MSAA and Crysis with High settings also with 8X MSAA and not a single problem.
As someone who had a Phenom II x4 465 last year and an i7-2600k this year: You won't do well with the Phenom II.
Anything but the absolute newest AMD processors play games like old people fuck.
Buying an AMD cpu primarily for gaming is a joke. Gaming on a Phenom II x4 was more frustrating than it was fun and getting a good Intel cpu is one of the best decisions I've made as far as hardware in the last few years. A few hundred dollars is the difference between 45fps on Medium and 100fps on Maxed. It is somewhat game dependent, every engine is different, on a Phenom II X6 1100T I was able to max out Max Payne 3 around a solid 40-50fps. With the i7 I get more like 80, but I'm not silly enough to say that 50fps isn't playable, but not every game runs as well as Max Payne 3. Especially games that value the CPU over the GPU (such as StarCraft II, Diablo 3, or any similar game).
If you want the CPU primarily for gaming, really the only advantage of the Ivy over the Sandy is being able to brag that you have an Ivy Bridge.
If the most intense thing you do is play games on 1 monitor (probably high 90s % of gamers), then you really don't need any more than a good Sandy Bridge i5. But if you're the type who wants to game while streaming to TwitchTV at 1080p with a webcam on 2 monitors while rendering a video to upload to YouTube, that's when you may want to start looking at the high end i7 SBs or IB.
Mr Touchdown
Member
Hey so I put some PC components on top of this thing. Apparently this mobo is dead. I have all these parts though, can anyone suggest a nice quick replacement I can get over this thing. Needs to support DDR3 g.skill ram, a gtx670 and my i5 2500k.
Thanks a bunch GAF!
That's just about the hottest you would want to get it, but it's Summer time so high temperatures in gaming PCs are normal, happens to everyone. If you can make it to winter time you will get much lower and more manageable temperatures, otherwise you might have to invest in an aftermarket cooler for the GPU, because 80C+ over extended time is a bit much.
that's okay. mine max at around 75 with the default fan profile in evga precision. although I did change it so that 1C = 1% increase in fan speed so now my ftw's max at around 68. downside being of course the system is a little louder but I always wear headphones anyway.
try changing the fan curve if you havent already, it can eally help keep temps down
I get similar temperatures this time of year, with solid cooling. (But not water)
If you're not too fussy on overclocking potential, any Z68 or Z77 based motherboard will perform fine for you. I prefer ASUS boards, MSI and Gigabyte are good too. ASRock have improved a lot lately, as well.
Well I got a PC...parts aren't close to what I wanted.
I ended up with an
i7 3770K
some galaxy 2gb gtx670
8gb of 1.65v ram
mobo is the z77 lk one.
How do I bump the ram to 1600?
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I also have a legit windows 7 key, where can I download the w7 64 bit pro so I can install?
Nevermind found it: http://www.mydigitallife.info/downl...cial-32-bit-and-64-bit-direct-download-links/
I ended up with an
i7 3770K
some galaxy 2gb gtx670
8gb of 1.65v ram
mobo is the z77 lk one.
How do I bump the ram to 1600?
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I also have a legit windows 7 key, where can I download the w7 64 bit pro so I can install?
Nevermind found it: http://www.mydigitallife.info/downl...cial-32-bit-and-64-bit-direct-download-links/
your bios should have a section where you can change ram voltage, timings, speed, etc.
Guess there is a guide in OP?
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