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"I need a New PC!" 2012 Thread. 22nm+28nm, Tri-Gate, and reading the OP. [Part 1]
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Oh yes. I haven't heard of one that wasn't able to hit 1125MHz/1575Mhz (core/mem) on stock volts.
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DCII is locked volts? I hadn't heard that before. Just got mine in the mail this morning.
yeah, but what I mean is that the you're like "ohhhh might as well wait for 8xx, that's 10 months away" etc :b
there's no going back once you get into the upgrading game
Sweet. I won't know if I've picked up the voltage-locked revision until next month when I can actually begin using it. It's the only buy that I've been having wobbles on, and it's been playing on my mind that the restriction might have somewhat neutered the card (in terms of general £-to-oomph potential across other card options). I'll be perfectly happy if I'm able to bump it up to those numbers on stock volts though.
EDIT: oh bugger, ha.
It's a thing, but it's patchy, as in 'some are, some aren't'. Only some revisions of the card. It's definitely confirmed on at least one large factory run though. Google 'voltage locked 7970' and then start clicking.
So, just to be clear.. the general method for making blazing fast PC's now is to use a SSD for OS and programs, then large HDD for media storage etc?
Just curious as I am planning my new PC upgrade now.
Also, dual monitors worthwhile for those that have them? I've only ever had this 19" widescreen solo monitor so I think the extra real-estate could be fun.
PS - Whats with the dropbox obsession everyone has? Is it that useful?
Just curious as I am planning my new PC upgrade now.
Also, dual monitors worthwhile for those that have them? I've only ever had this 19" widescreen solo monitor so I think the extra real-estate could be fun.
PS - Whats with the dropbox obsession everyone has? Is it that useful?
God damn, that is fantastic. Great part choices, AMD Fusion is so perfectly suited for that.so GAF, i have an HTPC now
config:
AMD A8-3870
Asrock A75M-ITX
Kingstone 8GB DDR3 1600
Samsung 830 64 GB
Antec ISK300-150
Win7 64
next step will be to add a bluray burner, a dual tuner TV card and a 500/750GB hdd.
Careful on adding too many devices. With just the proc alone, you're at 100W. Make sure you vet the power consumption of each thing you add. You don't want to be continuously drawing 90-100% of that PSU, it'll cause a premature death.
1) Yep.
2) I can't do without them, but it's totally a convenience. There's no gaming benefit, but I love being able to have HWMonitor, Mumble, and Chrome open on my second monitor while gaming. Doing big research projects or referencing things is a lot easier too.
3) It's cloud based storage, and it is indeed awesome.
Manp
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PSU is probably next in line to get replaced. atm i'm not sure if i'll be going for a pico or just mod in a 250-300W 1U PSU (already eyed some that would fit), we'll see.
i'm quite happy with it right now. still a lot to do on the sw side, probably going to do it next week since i won't have to go to work.
had to mod the ODD&HDD tray a bit to make the big shuriken 2 fit in there. nothing a good ol' Dremel couldn''t handle
RibbedHero
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Not much to separate them. The Gigabyte is the quieter one too.
Get whichever is cheaper.
pfft my 670 is faster
I would feel uncomfortable buying a 2GB card with a 1440p monitor. Seems like a bad idea.
Plus, we all know you are paid by the manufacturers to receive their crazy LN2 Binned cards that achieve impossible clocks so you get more of them to sell. Or something. Cause, yeah.
It'll also choke and die playing Skyrim with high res texture pack at 1440p.
Plus, we all know you are paid by the manufacturers to receive their crazy LN2 Binned cards that achieve impossible clocks so you get more of them to sell. Or something. Cause, yeah.
It's ok Dennis plays games at like 12fps, he doesn't mind.
And Intel gives me their bum CPUs
Can you imagine how much more I would shill if my CPUs were good clockers? SheeeeitIt is.
for such a small amount of storage you could get something like the western digital studio II. Two drives in a single enclosure that you can set up as raid 1 for redundancy. So eg if it's a 2TB drive it has 2x1TB drives and the OS will see it as a 1TB drive. Anything you write to it will be duplicated on both drives. If one drive fails you can swap it out for a new one.
When I went larger than 1-2TB I went for an unRaid server
I'm really leaning towards the green team though... I've grown too accustomed to nvidia drivers and fiddling with them.
I see... I'm a sucker for twin frozr ;(
Big call outs.
I've managed with 1 gb at 1440p thus far and I can count on one hand where I've been vram bottlenecked... also I would never do something as silly as playing skyrim to begin with :I
It's fact.
Sutton Dagger
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I was wondering about something, if you use the downscaling method (1440p downscaled to 1080p), does it still use more VRAM than 1080p native?
The gpu is still rendering the game at 1440p so it uses the same amount of vram as if the display/gpu wasn't downsampling the final image.
also... I caved and ordered the gigabyte 670.
You're always so fucking lucky with golden chips/cards :I... "ooh look at me and my 1.2v 5.0ghz SB"
The GB is super nice, you won't regret it unless you hate the blue PCB.
My 2600K I bought used so I knew it did 4.3Ghz on 1.3V. I haven't pushed it farther yet.
Then skip the 670 if you want to be irrational
Why you gotta break my heart.
My case ain't seethrough, could be a pink pcb for I could care ;I
Lies... damn dirty lies.
The 670 is a fantastic card, it's just that 2gb of vram is already somewhat limiting in some games at 1440p, so I can't say it's a safe bet for next gen.
This.
It's not about what's out right now, but what might be coming out in the next couple of years. If you were at 1080P, would give you the thumbs up no question. But since you're at 1440p.....
Actually...I just downsample, I sold off my dell 2711 and am on a 1080 monitor, just that I run all my games at 1440 so I have the "luxury" of actually being able to run games at 1080 without it looking like shit like it does on an actual 2560x1440 monitor.
Why not grow a pair and just get two?
*evil cackle*
I will.... in time ;( when I grow balls/money.
I think my 4870x2 is dying. Im not sure what to do about it. Every so often, maybe once a week, my system hard crashes showing hints of visual corruption. On a reboot from that the system starts up with some slight glitches in the windows loading screen and then halts again. 2nd bootup is usually fine. I have had the system crash when either playing a game or watching a flash video. One time when playing witcher 2 the display reset and i got an amd error saying the device driver failed but successfully recovered. Sometimes when the crash happens, i notice the red lights on my 4870x2 flash. I have read this could be a power related issue. I have a corsair 750tx which should be more than enough for a 4870x2. Its about 4 years old now.
Any ideas what could be going on? Nothing really out of the ordinary has happened to my machine when this started about a month ago. I have run memtest on my ram and have done prime95 on my cpu for a bit. No issues there. My 4870x2 temp is running around 42c at idle which is low.
Any ideas what could be going on? Nothing really out of the ordinary has happened to my machine when this started about a month ago. I have run memtest on my ram and have done prime95 on my cpu for a bit. No issues there. My 4870x2 temp is running around 42c at idle which is low.
When some of the crashes occurred watching flash video gpu use was liek 4% and only a degree of temp higher. Ive also done checks and under load it seems to be hitting 55-70 range which isnt bad.
No idea if it's in anyway related, but about a year ago my 4870 based rig started crashing and then eventually refusing to post. I also noticed the flashing lights on the 4870, but couldn't make sense of any pattern.
After removing all of the pc's components one by one and still being unable to post, I fixed it temporarily by resetting the bios via the MB jumper. The same problem happened a day later and was resolved the same way. I eventually figured out that the bios backup battery had run out of juice and the bios settings were getting screwed up. I replaced it and haven't had a problem since.
First time I've ever touched any MB bios battery to resolve an issue and would never have connected the solution to the issue I was seeing.
Troubleshooting (If one does not work, move on to next one)
1) Make sure your case is nice and clean, including the PSU.
2) Clean the videocard.
3) Reinstall drivers. Windows Add/Remove Catalyst, delete everything in C:\AMD -> restart into safe mode and run CCleaner/DriverSweeper to clean everything else up -> restart, download latest, and install.
4) Pull off heatsink and reseat, using new thermal paste.
5) Reformat.
6) Try different videocard.
7) Try different PSU.
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Above sounds interesting as well. I'd put that as 5), moving the rest down.
1) Make sure your case is nice and clean, including the PSU.
2) Clean the videocard.
3) Reinstall drivers. Windows Add/Remove Catalyst, delete everything in C:\AMD -> restart into safe mode and run CCleaner/DriverSweeper to clean everything else up -> restart, download latest, and install.
4) Pull off heatsink and reseat, using new thermal paste.
5) Reformat.
6) Try different videocard.
7) Try different PSU.
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Above sounds interesting as well. I'd put that as 5), moving the rest down.
Would these parts be good if I were to build a PC that ran games at 60 FPS at lower settings?
Intel Core i3-2100
]8 GB of RAM
ATI Radeon HD 6850
Intel Core i3-2100
]8 GB of RAM
ATI Radeon HD 6850
I doubt it would be a bios issue. I have my cpu OC'd and so every time the pc starts up it shows what speed im running. If my bios was losing the battery i imagine my OC settings would keep getting lost. Plus the issue seems tied to doing something that causes load on my gpu.
I just cant figure out how to test if its a power supply issue or a video card issue. People have said this could happen if the card isnt getting enough power. I dont OC my gpu so i dont know. I dont want to invest money on one or the other if i dont know. I also dont have spares laying around.
I pretty much have everything on that list covered except for the driver/reformat thing. Driver might be an issue, but ive never had it hard lock my system with visual corruption like this.
eh, I have SLI 670's (I know it doesn't double the vram) and have yet to find a game that has faltered on me at 1440
And just in case i do have a major issue and cant ask this question again since my pc doesnt have a motherboard with video, what are some cards that are cheap (100$ area) that would be considered better across all benchmarks than a 4870x2? The card still performs amazingly well for a lot of games so i dont want to grab a 1gb card and realize the x2 actually outperformed it.
Im not big on pc hardware which is why im asking this question. I generally only know about the stuff during the times im looking to buy a pc.
Im not big on pc hardware which is why im asking this question. I generally only know about the stuff during the times im looking to buy a pc.
Question PC Gaf,
I tried google, but still was a little lost. How do you install a ssd as the primary drive (for the os, a few games, etc) and install a secondary hdd for everything else (music, videos, etc). Is there a easy step by step way to do so? So far I've read that you install the ssd first with the OS, then plug up the HDD second and reformat it? does it sound on track or wrong? Just trying to prepare myself for tomorrow, thanks!
I tried google, but still was a little lost. How do you install a ssd as the primary drive (for the os, a few games, etc) and install a secondary hdd for everything else (music, videos, etc). Is there a easy step by step way to do so? So far I've read that you install the ssd first with the OS, then plug up the HDD second and reformat it? does it sound on track or wrong? Just trying to prepare myself for tomorrow, thanks!
There aren't any really. If it does end up being borked, PM me. We'll get you sorted out.
After looking around newegg a bit, im not really sure i believe that there 'aren't any really'.
Wolf Akela
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They'd be good for running most games at higher if not highest settings.
Check it.
You'd want a 460 or 6870 at the least, both of which go a bit above $100.
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But yeah, with lower settings you should be able to hit 60FPS in most games.
You'd want a 460 or 6870 at the least, both of which go a bit above $100.
That's right on. Install OS on the SSD. Go into Storage/Drive Manager and then add your unformatted HDD as a new volume.
Some games you won't be able to hit 60FPS with that CPU, which is a fault of the games more than anything. Starcraft 2 and some UE3 titles would be the big culprits.
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But yeah, with lower settings you should be able to hit 60FPS in most games.
I_D
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Can anybody comment on Windows 7's compatibility with old games? I'm preparing to build a console-ish computer to run emulators and old PC games, but I'm worried about Win7.
Games specifically include things like MDK, Morrowind, System Shock, No One Lives Forever, GTA games, and other various pre-Half Life 2 games.
Am I being old-fashioned, or is building a cheap WinXP system actually a good idea for older games?
The hardware I'm looking at (i3, 550TI, 2x1gb RAM) would work under XP's memory constraints, is cheap as hell, would rock all my old games (I'm coming from 800x600 on low settings, at the moment), and can run just about any modern game I care about other than BF3 (which I've played to death anyway).
Thoughts?
Games specifically include things like MDK, Morrowind, System Shock, No One Lives Forever, GTA games, and other various pre-Half Life 2 games.
Am I being old-fashioned, or is building a cheap WinXP system actually a good idea for older games?
The hardware I'm looking at (i3, 550TI, 2x1gb RAM) would work under XP's memory constraints, is cheap as hell, would rock all my old games (I'm coming from 800x600 on low settings, at the moment), and can run just about any modern game I care about other than BF3 (which I've played to death anyway).
Thoughts?
Whilst it doesn't answer your main question the 6850 is a better card than the 550Ti for the same money, and I'd probably try to go for 4GB RAM if you can as a minimum.
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