Yeah, I believe the Vertex series is the one with the terrible reviews.
However, if they can afford it, they should get the 840 Pro.
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Yeah, I believe the Vertex series is the one with the terrible reviews.
However, if they can afford it, they should get the 840 Pro.
Then that's a no brainer. It's just too bad they just missed out on the sale. The 840 Pro was $120 on amazon and $120 w/ AC3 on Newegg.
NoRéN;45757956 said:
I play a lot of pc games ... my 250gb HDD is good enough for me..i have a spare 500gb hdd sitting in the closet ..i got it on a killer sale so i bought it a few days ago..but i just built a new system about a week ago and do not feel like having to reinstall windows,etc...so i am just going to keep using the 250gb like i did with my older system i just replaced which also has a 250gb hdd in it... some people like to install all their games at once... i cant do that because it seems i never finish any games that way..so i install up to 5 or 10 games at the very most at a time....play those until i beat them...uninstall them and move on to the next bunch of games.
If i ever need more space..i'll just add the 500gb as a secondary drive in my current setup...but i usually never use more than what my 250gb hdd provides
Sounds like me. I was just worried I couldn't reinstall games or something. Thanks for the reply.
theytookourjobz
Junior Member
What new start menu?
It hasn't gotten a start menu. When you press the windows button you go to the "metro" interface (I will never stop calling it metro) where you can launch apps and write to search for things. You have tabletlike metro apps and desktop is kinda like its own app, by pressing win+tab you can cycle through metro apps or you can go to the top left corner, pull the mouse down (you'll see a small window up there) and see all active metro apps.
I actually kinda like it, I'm finally reading my mail because it's right there in MS' own mail app and searching for stuff is pretty easy (go to files or press win+f to search for all files). Some stuff are a little strange like you have to pull out the charms menu (top right corner, pull down) and go to power to shut the computer down or put it to sleep.
Call me shallow, but I like that there is finally a Windows that doesn't look like an updated Win95.
Yes, you need an active DisplayPort adapter IIRC. The limitation is something to do with the way that the video is output over DVI vs. DP, the ATI cards only have 2 transmitters that can output over DVI/HDMI at once. My understanding is that native DP uses different hardware to output video and if you use a passive DP adapter it kicks the DP into using the same transmitting hardware as the normal DVI/HDMI ports (which means you have the same problem) whereas the active adapter converts the native DP signal into DVI so you can still use two other DVI/HDMI ports at the same time.
So after some heavy researching, I think this is going to be my final build. But I'd like you guys to give it a quick look, so I can be sure that I won't be making some huge mistakes
I have to mention that I do a lot of video editing, motion graphics in After Effects and I'm slowly picking up on my 3D skills. I run a small video production company, so this PC will be mostly used for that; but I'd like it to be able to run BF3 smoothly, just for those slow work days!
CPU: Intel® Core i7-3930K 3.2GHZ FC-LGA4, "Sandy Bridge E" (539,-)
Cooler: Noctua NH-DH14 (86,90)
Motherboard: ASUS P9X79 FW, RAID, Gb-LAN, Sound, ATX (220,-)
GPU: GIGABYTE GV-R7950WF3-3GD (289,-)
PSU: Corsair TX650M (97,90)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Arctic White (94,90)
SSD: Crucial M4 512GB (379,-)
HDD: WD 1TB Black (86,90)
RAM: Corsair 16 GB DDR3-1600 Vengeance Low Profile Quad-kit (81,90)
Optical Drive: LG Blu-Ray BH10LS38 (74,90)
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit UK (109,90)
(Dutch prices)
Total damage: 2060,90. But because it will be a company PC, I can deduct that taxes. So the total price will be close to 1700,-.
So, anybody any advise?
I don't have any advice for you, but I am looking to build a very similar PC for myself in the next week or so (for programming/game development)...so I am also curious to hear what other people think.
I'm still trying to figure out what the best case/PSU would be (quiet and stability are important to me), also trying to decide if I want a single large HDD or if I want to RAID some drives together. I think I'm only going to need 1TB of space on the physical HDD...
Infinite Justice
Member
The metro stuff.
Its pretty much a new fancy start menu to me.
I use the "instant search while typing" version of the searching (although thats just for programs/apps and windows settings)
Actually the bolded are mainly the things i do in metro (email mostly, search occasionally) otherwise its just old school desktop all the way.
theytookourjobz
Junior Member
Yeah, I was just being an ass. I bought a W8 laptop and had to return it because I disliked it so much. I needs my damn start menu.
Got Mr. Noisy's case in!
Woohoo!
My little brother's current set up. His case(Don't know the name/brand) is pretty terrible. USB's in the front slip when getting plugged into, have to push the video card down in the back so the hdmi port isn't covered, just a lot of small issues that are annoying to deal with.
Made him do some of the work.
Basically done. Could do some zipties to make it look nicer but ehh.
New setup.
There was only one issue, which was that he only has 2 fan ports on his mobo and no molex adapters so we only have 3 plugged in currently. Going to get a few adapters to get the others working. Even without them though, the case was a breeze to set up. Love that the drives are put in sideways with the inputs on the backside of the case to reduce messy cables. Really fun to build with my bro. Only thing I had trouble with was trying to line up the cables on the back side of the case and refitting the door on, but eventually I got it organized and its snug.
MooseKnuckles
Banned
So after some heavy researching, I think this is going to be my final build. But I'd like you guys to give it a quick look, so I can be sure that I won't be making some huge mistakes
I have to mention that I do a lot of video editing, motion graphics in After Effects and I'm slowly picking up on my 3D skills. I run a small video production company, so this PC will be mostly used for that; but I'd like it to be able to run BF3 smoothly, just for those slow work days!
CPU: Intel® Core i7-3930K 3.2GHZ FC-LGA4, "Sandy Bridge E" (539,-)
Cooler: Noctua NH-DH14 (86,90)
Motherboard: ASUS P9X79 FW, RAID, Gb-LAN, Sound, ATX (220,-)
GPU: GIGABYTE GV-R7950WF3-3GD (289,-)
PSU: Corsair TX650M (97,90)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Arctic White (94,90)
SSD: Crucial M4 512GB (379,-)
HDD: WD 1TB Black (86,90)
RAM: Corsair 16 GB DDR3-1600 Vengeance Low Profile Quad-kit (81,90)
Optical Drive: LG Blu-Ray BH10LS38 (74,90)
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit UK (109,90)
(Dutch prices)
Total damage: 2060,90. But because it will be a company PC, I can deduct that taxes. So the total price will be close to 1700,-.
So, anybody any advise?
I'm actually in the process of putting together a similar build for CS6/Avid. You'll probably want to go with an nvidia gpu for cuda hardware acceleration in after effects, it's a feature that is only possible on nvidia cards. The list of supported cards is quite low, but from my understanding there is a simple text file "hack" that you can enter to get after effects to recognize basically any nvidia gpu and then allow acceleration.
Jzero
Member
Now all that he needs to do is clean that dust !
That surprised me, I thought all CS6 software supported OpenCL now but it seems After Effects is like the only one that doesn't.
It's more expensive than these but the Corsair 400r is really nice too.
The CM 690 II comes in black but finding it at that money is hard.
I'd go Gigabyte out of those two. 550w is plenty for a single GPU.
There are like a million third party start menus, ninite has one and it can also be mapped to the start button.
Ok, I'm completely new to PC Gaming and i'm planning to build my own machine (or upgrading my current setup) with help from a friend. Hopefully you can give me some tips and/or recommendations.
Your Current Specs: 2,4GHz Triple-Core AMD / 4GB RAM / 64bit Vista / Geforce G210
Budget: 700-1300 all inc.; EU
Main Use: Gaming (5), Emulation (3), Video Editing+Recording (3) General Usage (5) (Word, Web, 1080p playback)
Monitor Resolution: Current Resolution 1920x1080; new one possible if necessary
List SPECIFIC games that you MUST be able to play: Nothing special, but new releases should run on highest/high settings for the next 2-3 years;
Looking to reuse any parts?: 1TB SATA HDD, Optical drive (don't think a BR drive is really necessary?)
When will you build?: i havent set myself a specific timeframe
Will you be overclocking?: Absolutely no clue about overclocking atm, guess thats a maybe
Wishes:SSD is a must, Sound isn't that important, because i usually play with a headset. 3D would be nice, but i guess pretty expensive.
I really appreciate every advice, tip, link or build. I tried to read the OP and the last pages, but its to much information for a beginner. It's hard to "get" the basics imo.
Your Current Specs: 2,4GHz Triple-Core AMD / 4GB RAM / 64bit Vista / Geforce G210
Budget: 700-1300 all inc.; EU
Main Use: Gaming (5), Emulation (3), Video Editing+Recording (3) General Usage (5) (Word, Web, 1080p playback)
Monitor Resolution: Current Resolution 1920x1080; new one possible if necessary
List SPECIFIC games that you MUST be able to play: Nothing special, but new releases should run on highest/high settings for the next 2-3 years;
Looking to reuse any parts?: 1TB SATA HDD, Optical drive (don't think a BR drive is really necessary?)
When will you build?: i havent set myself a specific timeframe
Will you be overclocking?: Absolutely no clue about overclocking atm, guess thats a maybe
Wishes:SSD is a must, Sound isn't that important, because i usually play with a headset. 3D would be nice, but i guess pretty expensive.
I really appreciate every advice, tip, link or build. I tried to read the OP and the last pages, but its to much information for a beginner. It's hard to "get" the basics imo.
Ok, I'm completely new to PC Gaming and i'm planning to build my own machine (or upgrading my current setup) with help from a friend. Hopefully you can give me some tips and/or recommendations.
Your Current Specs: 2,4GHz Triple-Core AMD / 4GB RAM / 64bit Vista / Geforce G210
Budget: 700-1300 all inc.; EU
Main Use: Gaming (5), Emulation (3), Video Editing+Recording (3) General Usage (5) (Word, Web, 1080p playback)
Monitor Resolution: Current Resolution 1920x1080; new one possible if necessary
List SPECIFIC games that you MUST be able to play: Nothing special, but new releases should run on highest/high settings for the next 2-3 years;
Looking to reuse any parts?: 1TB SATA HDD, Optical drive (don't think a BR drive is really necessary?)
When will you build?: i havent set myself a specific timeframe
Will you be overclocking?: Absolutely no clue about overclocking atm, guess thats a maybe
Wishes:SSD is a must, Sound isn't that important, because i usually play with a headset. 3D would be nice, but i guess pretty expensive.
I really appreciate every advice, tip, link or build. I tried to read the OP and the last pages, but its to much information for a beginner. It's hard to "get" the basics imo.
3570K paired with a Cooler Master Hyper 212, a Z77 mobo from the OP, a 7950 (either Gigabyte, MSI, ASUS or Sapphire) or a 660Ti if you must have Nvidia, XFX Core 550w PSU and 8GB of the Samsung 1.35v 30nm RAM.
That's the internals I'd go for myself, what program will you be using for video editing?
Tears For Fears
Banned
Get a 600w psu and a GTX670. ALTERNATIVELY, you could get a fx8350 down the road since your mb is am3+, but that's not needed right now.
DrForester
Kills Photobucket
Thoughts?
Any potential bottlenecks? Considering doing 2 670 or 660 instead of the 1 680. Would combining the two be better? i7 still isn't really worth it for gaming, correct?
Any potential bottlenecks? Considering doing 2 670 or 660 instead of the 1 680. Would combining the two be better? i7 still isn't really worth it for gaming, correct?
Thoughts?
Any potential bottlenecks? Considering doing 2 670 or 660 instead of the 1 680. Would combining the two be better? i7 still isn't really worth it for gaming, correct?
What resolution are you gaming at that you need a 4GB card? Go for a single 670 over the 680, the performance difference is minimal for what the price is http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/598?vs=555
i5 is a good buy for gaming yeah. If you're just gaming drop the RAM to 8GB and get this stuff http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147096
What about the Blu-ray drive too, going to use it enough to justify bothering to get it? What's your PSU/case situation like? Also I'd change your cooler too, Hyper 212 will be more than adequate at a lot less money.
Atm i dont use a specific editing software. Its more for fun, so its not a really important factor. Do you recommend an AMD card over a Nvidia? Any special reason for that?
If i havent forgotten something, price would be under 1000 inc. case and SSD which would be amazing. How good would BF3 for example run on this build?
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Well, my Dell Ultrasharp apparently kicked the bucket and is out of warranty.
I want another IPS to replace it, but monitors are pretty far from my strong suit. Not sure I want to gamble on one of those Korean IPS panels (what's the hassle is like if you get dead pixels? etc.), but I'm considering it.
What are some other options? I'd like something with good response time if possible, I never had a problem with my Dell and it's an eIPS I think? I was looking at the U2312HM since it's a bit cheaper than the 21.5 inch at the moment and is basically the newest version of what I have now. Don't know anything about any other brands so if anyone has suggestions I'm all for it.
I want another IPS to replace it, but monitors are pretty far from my strong suit. Not sure I want to gamble on one of those Korean IPS panels (what's the hassle is like if you get dead pixels? etc.), but I'm considering it.
What are some other options? I'd like something with good response time if possible, I never had a problem with my Dell and it's an eIPS I think? I was looking at the U2312HM since it's a bit cheaper than the 21.5 inch at the moment and is basically the newest version of what I have now. Don't know anything about any other brands so if anyone has suggestions I'm all for it.
If you manually set the CPU Voltage when overclocking, is the voltage still supposed to reduce itself when not under load? It used to drop to .9ish and the CPU to 1.6 when everything was idle, but it's never going below 1.21, even though the CPU reduced itself to 1.6 like before
What do you guys think of this monitor?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005BZNDS0/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Amazon is price matching the Newegg sale on it and I have about 75 bucks worth of amazon cards. I'd be upgrading from my 22" 1680x1050 monitor. Primary use gaming. I currently have an Asus monitor so I figure it would be similar just higher resolution.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005BZNDS0/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Amazon is price matching the Newegg sale on it and I have about 75 bucks worth of amazon cards. I'd be upgrading from my 22" 1680x1050 monitor. Primary use gaming. I currently have an Asus monitor so I figure it would be similar just higher resolution.
AMD offers better value at the minute for the price you pay, but the 670 is still a very good card in it's own right, I just prefer the better value offered by thee 7950 and 7970, although it may be pushing it a bit for your budget to fit one in and that is why I offered up the 660Ti as an alternative.
The reason I asked about software for video editing is that your GPU can effect it quite a bit, for instance Sony Vegas Pro works very well with AMD cards whereas the Windows version of Adobe Premiere Pro CS6 still does not support OpenCL for rendering videos.
What country are you in? I'll try to throw something together for you. Might be helpful to throw me a few links for online retailers in your country for PC components.
Friend may be buying an IPS monitor for a new build. Won't be for gaming, but will be used for moderate Photoshop image editing. Would it be safe to use an average video card or does the increased resolution demand a better video card?
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Glad I'm not the only one looking for an IPS right now. Just in terms of output onboard video would be fine, but depending on the PS work he does GPU acceleration (which can speed up certain workloads) might be a consideration. Since you mentioned "moderate" PS work it's probably not worth spending money on an expensive video card for it.
Insane Metal
Member
HELP ME GAF!
I'm in a really bad budget situation, but I want to upgrade my rig so badly. I was thinking about getting an i5 3570k and a motherboard. Then a friend told me he was selling his rig, and he offered it to me for half the price of the i5 + mobo. It's a QX 9770 Extreme, mobo and 8GB of 1600Mhz DDR3. Is it worth? I know that processor is a beast for OC...
Oh, my current rig is a Phenom II X4 945 with 4GB of 800Mhz DDR2... :|
I'm in a really bad budget situation, but I want to upgrade my rig so badly. I was thinking about getting an i5 3570k and a motherboard. Then a friend told me he was selling his rig, and he offered it to me for half the price of the i5 + mobo. It's a QX 9770 Extreme, mobo and 8GB of 1600Mhz DDR3. Is it worth? I know that processor is a beast for OC...
Oh, my current rig is a Phenom II X4 945 with 4GB of 800Mhz DDR2... :|
Maybe i will wait one or two months and invest in a better card, i dont want to safe money on the wrong parts and than have to buy new ones in a year.
Other question should i "upgrade" to Windows 7 (or 8)?
I'm from Austria. some retailers i know ditech.at, mercateo.at and amazon.de, but they are all in german. Really appreciate your effort, thx a lot.
It's really not worth putting money into a 3 generation old CPU and mobo. Stick it out and save your money until you can by something new. Just oc your 945 as much as you can to keep you going a little longer.
If money is tight part why not just buy a good cooler and OC the shit out of your Phenom and upgrade when money is less of an issue?
The 9770 is still a good gaming CPU but you'll miss out on stuff like PCIe 3, USB 3 and SATA 3.
Yeah you should, both are good OS but for gaming 7 has the edge as it has less compatibility issues at present, especially with older stuff.
If you're waiting a month or two btw there'll be a new range of GPUs on the way from AMD and Nvidia all being well.
MisterNoisy
Member
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I hope I've managed to get by with my limited 3 months of German lol this comes out at 1078,62
Just a rough build but it gives you an idea of what you can get for around 1000
Edit - Forgot the SSD, another 90 http://www.amazon.de/dp/B004W2JKZI/
Changes can be made obviously depending on how much you feel like spending. If you're in education check to see if you can get Windows for free.
Shopping around of course brings better prices but I just used Amazon for it all as it was handy.
That means prices for "older" GPUs should go down, right?
Ok, enough for today but thx again for your help
. Hopefully i will have time tomorrow to compare prices on different sites and check some alternatives. I would love to make some kind of checklist for the next days with christmas sales everywhere and christmas money still available .Edit:
Already have a 1TB HDD and you're right i should get Windows for free = 150€ safed - SSD = 60€. Maybe invest the 60€ in a better GPU? e.g. http://www.amazon.de/dp/B0074VVTPI/
That means prices for "older" GPUs should go down, right?
Ok, enough for today but thx again for your help
In theory yes, and they usually do.
If you get a chance I've a quick build posted above your last post as an idea of what you can do with ~1000.
Well that's handy enough then if you don't need an HDD or Windows, SSD fits easily in
Yeah you could invest in a better GPU (or case too) like a 7970 if you wanted, or there is Nvidia's 670 too which is their pick of the range. Make sure to check out other retailers, especially for the AMD cards as buying a 7900 series one gets you three free games but Amazon in Europe don't take part in it http://blogs.amd.com/play/this-holiday-never-settle/
Hopefully what I've shown you will get you pointing in the right direction.
Are you gaming only or what will you be using it for?
OK, this is what I'm starting to look at right now for my work PC:
I pretty much have to order from Amazon or Newegg as I live in Hawaii (and have Amazon Prime and ShopRunner for free shipping, shipping is pretty brutal). I might skip out on the 7970 and just use the 6950 I have (I remember doing some mod to make it perform like a 6970?), then downgrade my old PC to a 4850. Again, this PC is going to be used for software development, so I am prioritizing a beefy CPU and fast disk I/O...thoughts?
I pretty much have to order from Amazon or Newegg as I live in Hawaii (and have Amazon Prime and ShopRunner for free shipping, shipping is pretty brutal). I might skip out on the 7970 and just use the 6950 I have (I remember doing some mod to make it perform like a 6970?), then downgrade my old PC to a 4850. Again, this PC is going to be used for software development, so I am prioritizing a beefy CPU and fast disk I/O...thoughts?
More or less gaming only, just wondering if at that price the HT will make the i7 more futureproof?
Depends on what you're doing.
Hard to call, few games at the minute make much use of HT at all.
You'll get PCI-e 3.0 with the 3570K and whilst it doesn't really matter now it could down the line as GPUs improve.
I actually don't know which I'd go for, there isn't a clear favourite in my books which I'm sure doesn't help you much
I can see the arguments for both sides.WD Blacks are really loud FYI, not a 2TB? Not a lot of other options for a good drive, but just letting you know .So after some heavy researching, I think this is going to be my final build. But I'd like you guys to give it a quick look, so I can be sure that I won't be making some huge mistakes
I have to mention that I do a lot of video editing, motion graphics in After Effects and I'm slowly picking up on my 3D skills. I run a small video production company, so this PC will be mostly used for that; but I'd like it to be able to run BF3 smoothly, just for those slow work days!
CPU: Intel® Core i7-3930K 3.2GHZ FC-LGA4, "Sandy Bridge E" (539,-)
Cooler: Noctua NH-DH14 (86,90)
Motherboard: ASUS P9X79 FW, RAID, Gb-LAN, Sound, ATX (220,-)
GPU: GIGABYTE GV-R7950WF3-3GD (289,-)
PSU: Corsair TX650M (97,90)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 Arctic White (94,90)
SSD: Crucial M4 512GB (379,-)
HDD: WD 1TB Black (86,90)
RAM: Corsair 16 GB DDR3-1600 Vengeance Low Profile Quad-kit (81,90)
Optical Drive: LG Blu-Ray BH10LS38 (74,90)
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-Bit UK (109,90)
(Dutch prices)
Total damage: 2060,90. But because it will be a company PC, I can deduct that taxes. So the total price will be close to 1700,-.
So, anybody any advise?
Get an HX,AX,or X PSU from Corsair/Seasonic instead for PSU.
$$$$. Apart from that it allows new pins to go to different places to control different things and have more bandwidth and standard features and connect stuff. Basically it limits what you can do. Take the AM3 CPUs in AM2+ sockets, they performed much much worse and many were not specified to take those 125W chips, many boards capped at 95W CPU draw.
840 Pro is a great drive. Should be fine.
Go with the Excellent build and upgrade the PSU, CPU to 3770K, and GPU to a 7950 or GTX670. Leave you with some room for upgrades into the next gen of cards.Ok, I'm completely new to PC Gaming and i'm planning to build my own machine (or upgrading my current setup) with help from a friend. Hopefully you can give me some tips and/or recommendations.
Your Current Specs: 2,4GHz Triple-Core AMD / 4GB RAM / 64bit Vista / Geforce G210
Budget: 700-1300 all inc.; EU
Main Use: Gaming (5), Emulation (3), Video Editing+Recording (3) General Usage (5) (Word, Web, 1080p playback)
Monitor Resolution: Current Resolution 1920x1080; new one possible if necessary
List SPECIFIC games that you MUST be able to play: Nothing special, but new releases should run on highest/high settings for the next 2-3 years;
Looking to reuse any parts?: 1TB SATA HDD, Optical drive (don't think a BR drive is really necessary?)
When will you build?: i havent set myself a specific timeframe
Will you be overclocking?: Absolutely no clue about overclocking atm, guess thats a maybe
Wishes:SSD is a must, Sound isn't that important, because i usually play with a headset. 3D would be nice, but i guess pretty expensive.
I really appreciate every advice, tip, link or build. I tried to read the OP and the last pages, but its to much information for a beginner. It's hard to "get" the basics imo.
Thoughts?
Any potential bottlenecks? Considering doing 2 670 or 660 instead of the 1 680. Would combining the two be better? i7 still isn't really worth it for gaming, correct?
Yes, there is C1E, SpeedStep, C3, C6 states that the CPU will throttle itself down to. Normal and should be fine (As Intel says anyway).
120Hz!
2700K imo.
The only thing I'd ask you is how well nVidia is supported vs. AMD in your software development. Most often it is nvidia tmk.
Also, get this PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151088&Tpk=x650
For once I'd go for the i7. Ivy loses its advantage when overclocked and HT will make it more futureproof.
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
120Hz!
I'd be interested, but I don't even know if there are any 120Hz IPS monitors available, let alone in a price range I could justify. And between 120Hz and IPS I'd rather have IPS at the moment, but maybe I'm biased since my calibrated Ultrasharp was the best looking monitor I'd ever used, and I've never used a 120Hz monitor.
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