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"I need a New PC!" 2013 Part 2. Haswell = #IntelnoTIM, but free online. READ THE OP.
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Sectorseven
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The guide in the first post says for 16gb of ram get 4x4gb sticks.
Is there any reason why you shouldn't simply get 2x8gb instead?
Is there any reason why you shouldn't simply get 2x8gb instead?
Jibbajabbawockky
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Not sure this is the best thread to ask, but after getting my Samsung 840 EVO, Steam Mover doesn't seem to want to work.
I got the SSD for gaming's sake for Shogun 2 since the load times can be crazy. So I install Steam to my SSD, which is my boot drive and set Steam to recognize the games installed on my WD hard drive. Open up Steam Mover and it seems to do it's thing with Shogun 2 fine. I go into Steam to click on the Shogun 2 icon and it acts like its going to open up, but nothing happens. What is going on?
I guess I could just redownload Shogun 2 but considering its 20+ GB that'll take a while.
I got the SSD for gaming's sake for Shogun 2 since the load times can be crazy. So I install Steam to my SSD, which is my boot drive and set Steam to recognize the games installed on my WD hard drive. Open up Steam Mover and it seems to do it's thing with Shogun 2 fine. I go into Steam to click on the Shogun 2 icon and it acts like its going to open up, but nothing happens. What is going on?
I guess I could just redownload Shogun 2 but considering its 20+ GB that'll take a while.
maneil99
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Feel like im doing something wrong. 3570k 4.6ghz @ 1.216v stable 16 hour blend (+0.075v) . Decided to go lower and tried 0.060v. Was stable overnight no wheas and in crysis 3. Doing a 24 hour test. After degrading my previous chip i try to stay away from prime but with vcores like this im feeling like im missing something
Do a file Steam integrity check on Shogun 2.
maneil99
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If you want to last you a long time why not shell out the extra dough
statham
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tight on budget,have a newborn, just want something that will last a few years in the 60fps range, don't need a killer cpu. I think the 6350 will be okay for me.
The_Hitcher89
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Is the higher speed of the one I was supposed to buy not enough of an improvement to justify the return costs and slightly higher price?
The difference is 1866Mhz for the right one, and 1600 for the one I got
Also, the right one has 9-10-9 for Latency (whatever that means) and the one I've got has 9-9-9
As well as that, it is seemingly 5 times lighter (can;t imagin that makes a difference though) :O
Both have lifetime warranties though, so that's good
DeejayKnight
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This is a fantastic thread, and I'll definitely be coming back. I already have an idea of what parts I want to get for my next build, but this is a great comparison thread.
Conflict NZ
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I've been running two GTX 670s in SLI for a while now, one an ASUS, the other an EVGA. I recently pulled the evga out to put in another PC for a while and I noticed that games I used to have frameskip in (Skyrim with ENB & High res texture mods) are no longer frameskipping and the Asus card is running 10 degrees cooler on idle and 20 on load. Is there a reason for this? A bug between two different manufacturers or is it an SLI Bug?
I have the Asus in my 350D, happy with it. Although I've seen some really cool sniper builds in the 350.
Picture
http://i.imgur.com/ZTJVMmc.jpg
Dammit, looks like my motherboard, the Asus M4A77TD doesn't support PCI Express 3.0, which the GTX 760 uses. No hope of me running this card short of buying a new mobo? 
Dammit, looks like my motherboard, the Asus M4A77TD doesn't support PCI Express 3.0, which the GTX 760 uses. No hope of me running this card short of buying a new mobo?
PCIE versions are backwards compatible.
:'D Thank you!
You are within your right to not post pics. It also isn't a necessity to do so to obtain help. Not sure where you are getting that from. People probably don't believe you either. That is their right too. So with that said it should just be dropped and we can move on.
I'm looking for a keyboard that illuminates, but isn't a cheap piece of shit or breakign the wallet. Trying to stick to under $100, preferably sub $60 because anything above that for a keyboard is ridiculous in my opinion. I haven't used any of these fancy mechanical keyboards or anything so unless they are "can't live without" I shall pass.
Just my 2cents, I have always just used a keyboard, the one I have now works great and responds fantastic and I got it for $15, but I play usually at night now so I am trying not to disturb the family while they sleep when I have a few gaming sessions after my night classes.
Just my 2cents, I have always just used a keyboard, the one I have now works great and responds fantastic and I got it for $15, but I play usually at night now so I am trying not to disturb the family while they sleep when I have a few gaming sessions after my night classes.
Agreed.
maneil99
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G110
maneil99
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Gene V. Its better the most atx boards. Went from a ud3h atx to it. Sound is awesome,looks great, bios is better then the gb and built in tools like asus fan controls are good
I personally have a Microsoft sidewinder X4. Not exactly high tech but its illuminated and has done the job for me.
MidgarBlowedUp
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I took the $274 plunge and picked up the 4GB Zotac 760 from superbiiz.
Not that this is worth a grain of salt but, game-debate.com lists these CPU's as recommended matches for the 760:
- AMD Opteron 6134
- AMD Phenom II X6 1605T
- AMD Phenom II X6 1075T
- Intel Core i7-860 Quad 2.80GHz
- AMD Phenom II X6 1065T
The 1065T performs about 20-25% better in some multi-threaded tasks, so I would expect if you overclock the 965BE to 3.8 or 4.0 it should just about match the 1065T. In other words, even at stock, or just a small bump to 3.6, the 760 should do just fine, even if it does bottle neck a small amount.
that's my reasoning anyway.
I didn't doubt you until the ridiculous over-defensiveness started, honestly.
RukusProvider
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Looks like the GALAXYs GeForce GTX 780 Hall of Fame Edition card is much better than a Titan. What am I missing? 3 vs 6 gb VRAM means nothing to me seeing that i will upgrade the GPU by the time it's even relevant.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/08/14/galaxy_geforce_gtx_780_hof_edition_review#.UhmwHMu9KK
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/08/14/galaxy_geforce_gtx_780_hof_edition_review#.UhmwHMu9KK
maneil99
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Thats gotta be the worst review ive read. They didnt realise ALL 780s can increase there vcore. Ugh just terrible. Anyways if you want to overclock flash your bios.
cripterion
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I've been thinking of upgrading my pc lately just don't know if it's worth it.
My current rig : Fractal Design R3/Asus P8Z77-V/Corsair AX750/Intel Core i5 3570K @4.3ghz OC-Coolmaster Hyper EVO 212/16GB DDR3 Corsair Vengeance/Asus GTX670 DCII 2GB SLI/Crucial M4 128GB, Samsung 830 256GB, Seagate Barracuda 2TB, WD Caviar Blue 1TB, WD Caviar Green 2TB/LG BD-R x12
And I'm thinking of taking my video cards and my hard drives to put this in an Corsair Carbide 500R or Air 540 (hard to find lately in France)/MSI Z87-GD65/Intel Core i5 4670K/Corsair h100i/8GB DD3 Corsair Vengeance @2133mhz
Should I patiently wait for the Broadwell and new Nvidia cards that will be released at that time? Of course I've got a buying itch but new consoles coming out too in November and finally got the Xbone preordered yesterday.
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My current rig : Fractal Design R3/Asus P8Z77-V/Corsair AX750/Intel Core i5 3570K @4.3ghz OC-Coolmaster Hyper EVO 212/16GB DDR3 Corsair Vengeance/Asus GTX670 DCII 2GB SLI/Crucial M4 128GB, Samsung 830 256GB, Seagate Barracuda 2TB, WD Caviar Blue 1TB, WD Caviar Green 2TB/LG BD-R x12
And I'm thinking of taking my video cards and my hard drives to put this in an Corsair Carbide 500R or Air 540 (hard to find lately in France)/MSI Z87-GD65/Intel Core i5 4670K/Corsair h100i/8GB DD3 Corsair Vengeance @2133mhz
Should I patiently wait for the Broadwell and new Nvidia cards that will be released at that time? Of course I've got a buying itch but new consoles coming out too in November and finally got the Xbone preordered yesterday.
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Honey Bunny
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Here's my build. It's my first time doing this so any and all help is appreciated, there may be something I've overlooked (thanks for the help so far!)
Motherboard: Asus Z87-C ATX LGA1150
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz
GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 760 2GB
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600
SSD: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5"
HDD: WD Caviar Green 1TB 3.5" 5400RPM
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
PSU: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V
Case: Fractal Design Arc Midi R2
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0"
I've cut back a few things back from where they were originally due to price. If you see any parts you think I should exchange for a better, cheaper alternative - do tell. In particular, is there a better 24" monitor for less? I'm buying in Switzerland so some things are more/less expensive or occasionally just not available.
Motherboard: Asus Z87-C ATX LGA1150
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz
GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 760 2GB
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600
SSD: Samsung 840 Series 250GB 2.5"
HDD: WD Caviar Green 1TB 3.5" 5400RPM
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
PSU: Corsair Builder 600W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V
Case: Fractal Design Arc Midi R2
Monitor: Asus VS248H-P 24.0"
I've cut back a few things back from where they were originally due to price. If you see any parts you think I should exchange for a better, cheaper alternative - do tell. In particular, is there a better 24" monitor for less? I'm buying in Switzerland so some things are more/less expensive or occasionally just not available.
I just got tired of being berated for a bunch of useless pics over and over. After enough of it, I put an end to it, and was told I had a "attitude". I wonder why?
But anyway, issue over, moving on. I need more pink LED fans, that Shinbi XL has me thinking....
maneil99
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You'd be better off skipping haswell. You'll be licky to hit 4.2
maneil99
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2x8 unless you have a quad channel mb. Less chances of bad ram sticks too
Thanks.
Unless you're mainly going for emulation I'd personally go with the i5-3570k and a Z77 motherboard as there's not much of a performance difference and the Ivy Bridge chips will overclock better.
I'd probably also swap out the power supply for something like the Seasonic M12II 520 Bronze or the XFX P1-550S, and if there isn't much of a price difference where you are I'd maybe change the SSD to the EVO version (Samsung 840 EVO 250GB) but it's certainly not a necessity!
Otherwise looks nice! I take it you've already got a Windows license and keyboard/mouse/speakers?
Edit: I've based all these on Amazon.de since they usually deliver to Switzerland
Alright guys, so I posted in here a few weeks back when I was thinking of buying a PC after more than 10 years of console-only gaming. The thing is my time is very limited right now (writing up my PhD thesis). But I still want to do it so I would appreciate recommendations.
This computer will be used for two things: gaming and development of image processing/machine learning algorithms. The latter means that I need at the very least 16GB of RAM and at least a 4-core CPU.
My current plan would be to go for the "Excellent - Best Overall" build from the OP with the i7 3770K, 16GB of RAM. For the graphic card, because I make extensive use of CUDA, a NVidia GPU is required. How is the jump in performance between a GTX 770 2GB and a GTX770 4GB? Is it worth it to go all in with a GTX 780?
My other questions relate to how I should buy the parts. I am fairly confident I would be able to put the thing together myself. I live in London. Is my best bet Amazon? Or are specialist retailers usually cheaper?
As you can see I am still very open to suggestions. Thought I would post as I would like to make this happen relatively quickly.
This computer will be used for two things: gaming and development of image processing/machine learning algorithms. The latter means that I need at the very least 16GB of RAM and at least a 4-core CPU.
My current plan would be to go for the "Excellent - Best Overall" build from the OP with the i7 3770K, 16GB of RAM. For the graphic card, because I make extensive use of CUDA, a NVidia GPU is required. How is the jump in performance between a GTX 770 2GB and a GTX770 4GB? Is it worth it to go all in with a GTX 780?
My other questions relate to how I should buy the parts. I am fairly confident I would be able to put the thing together myself. I live in London. Is my best bet Amazon? Or are specialist retailers usually cheaper?
As you can see I am still very open to suggestions. Thought I would post as I would like to make this happen relatively quickly.
2GB vs 4GB in the UK I will say not worth it since price difference is like £60-£70 and most games won't take advantage of it, so waste of money at that.
As for 770 vs 780. Really depends how much performance you want. The 770 is an excellent card, but the 780 is just that much better, but it does cost £200 more. Really depends if you want more. The 770 is more than adequate at 1080p in pretty much every game.
I buy most parts from Amazon because they are so easy to deal with if anything goes wrong. Some things may not be available there, then I go to scan.co.uk. OP has a list of website for the UK too, but I usually stick with those two.
maneil99
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Go 780, 25-35% faster. If its gonna last you 3+ years whats 249/36?
The extra VRAM of the 4GB version really isn't going to make a difference in gaming and won't in CUDA unless the algorithms and image frames you're using take up some ridiculous amount of memory. The 3GB 780 would be the choice to go for due to the extra cores if you have the money, but the 2GB 770 would certainly be adequate.
Parts wise you can mix and match from various places around the UK to save money as most of the time specialists will be cheaper, although buying from just one place is easier. PCPartPicker shows a price of around <£1500 for the system from various merchants:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£250.12 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£22.85 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: MSI Z77 MPOWER ATX LGA1155 Motherboard (£160.79 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LP 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£100.59 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk (£79.99 @ Aria PC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive (£75.96 @ Dabs)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 780 3GB Video Card (£499.99 @ Dabs)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case (£77.00 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: SeaSonic M12II 650W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (£83.58 @ Scan.co.uk)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) (£103.19 @ Aria PC)
Total: £1454.06
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-25 12:25 BST+0100)
Note: Windows 7 Professional is in there because I chose 2x 8GB RAM to leave room to expand later if you happen to need to since Home Premium has a 16GB limit. You could just go to 4x 4GB sticks and Home Premium if you don't think you'll ever do that to save some money.
If you're planning on using CUDA, you'd be better off with a 780 if you have the money to burn. It's pretty much overkill for gaming, but it uses GK110 (same die as Titan and their Teslas) which doesn't have most of its computing stripped off unlike GK104 (770, 680 and so on). In some cases the 680/770 performs even worse than a 580 in compute.
I'm interested in delidding my 3570k because ive been getting pretty high temps (about 80c at 4.3ghz).
After delidding, do you just put new thermal paste on the die, and then put the heatsink back on abd put thermal paste on that again?
Is there anyone in north NJ that did the delidding before?
After delidding, do you just put new thermal paste on the die, and then put the heatsink back on abd put thermal paste on that again?
Is there anyone in north NJ that did the delidding before?
maneil99
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What cooler and vcore are you at
Windows 8 doesn't have that RAM limit you could go it and save £30 http://www.cclonline.com/product/93...07/?siteID=8BacdVP0GFs-G6xugHN23MjztJOwq.rxqw
GSkill RAM saves another tenner http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0079TBHGG/
It's overkill but you can get a 730w Be Quiet! PSU for less cash http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B005JRGVCK/
Also that mobo, for £55 more than this http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B007TIYX3Q/ I don't think it's worth it.
Caviar Green's such too, I'd rather have to WD Blue's than one of those even if it costs more.
The_Hitcher89
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Is there a thread for help when things go wrong btw? If not, I'm afraid I'll be shitting this one up when I get around to building
maneil99
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Yup. This thread lolIs there a thread for help when things go wrong btw? If not, I'm afraid I'll be shitting this one up when I get around to building
If you're on Win 8 there is the refresh option.
Good catches, I forgot Windows 8's limit is 128GB for the standard version! I prefer Green's for storage myself, although if the storage drive was less than 2TB I'd go for the Blue as well.
Not seen much on Be Quiet! power supplies, how are they compared to the usual SeaSonic/Corsair/XFX ones?
maneil99
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Whag does that exactly do
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