Self_Destructive
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here´s with a 780:
What's with 'Uber Mode' and 'Quiet Mode' being essentially the same and lower in some cases? I would figure the clock increase would raise framerates a bit more than that.
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What's with 'Uber Mode' and 'Quiet Mode' being essentially the same and lower in some cases? I would figure the clock increase would raise framerates a bit more than that.
cyen
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From what i could gather on the overclock.net thread it seems its a mode for overclocking, a higher power limit and agressive fan profile for overclock. The clocks stays the same.
Self_Destructive
Member
Ah gotcha. It doesn't make sense using it in graphs though if you're going to keep the clocks the same
I wonder why they didn't OC it?
cyen
Member
Ah gotcha. It doesn't make sense using it in graphs though if you're going to keep the clocks the same
It seems that they are leaked slides, nothing official but they seem legit, im curious about the OC potencial myself, if the comparison with the 780 is true and if 290X have a good OC potencial we could be getting higher than titan performance levels, and since titan is voltage locked and assuming that the 290x isn´t it could be the fastest single GPU in the market after OC (until we see 780TI in action).
Still waiting for oficial reviews to make my decision, currently suffering with the intel 4600.
Edit: New slides
For comparison:
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
Glad my PSU holds up. Also realised my MBO is PCIe 2.0, not 3.0. Though I've heard the 3.0 gains at this point are largely negligible unless you're running SLI.
cyen
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yeah, pcie 2.0 still have some life on it, as you said 3.0 not worth unless you plan to SLI high end cards,
No single card really gains much from PCIe 3.
Sanctuary
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Hmm, my current four year old system hasn't really given me any issues aside from needing to reseat my graphics card after getting continual BSOD about two years ago. But I've had one issue that was driving me nuts for the longest time, and I finally just gave up. It's been harmless (AFAIK) to the system in general, and more of an academic issue in case it ends up happening again with my new system.
Sometimes when I've turned on the PC, it will shut down before hitting the post screen, boot up normally after 2-3 seconds and then it's business as usual without any other issues until I power it off at the end of the night. If it happened frequently, it might be easy to diagnose, but it doesn't. It's so completely random and it could happen a few days in a row, or not at all for up to six months.
At first I thought it might be the PSU, but to actually test that, I'd have to replace it for up to a few months, and I've never actually had the system randomly power off after it actually reaches the post screen. I thought maybe it was something in the BIOS, or the CMOS battery was dying, but that wasn't it. If it matters, I've had the system connected to a UPS since I first built it due to the lines around here seeming to freak out in the winter if a single snowflake even glances at them. I also had the issue while the system was both OC and at the default settings, so it's not an OC issue.
Sometimes when I've turned on the PC, it will shut down before hitting the post screen, boot up normally after 2-3 seconds and then it's business as usual without any other issues until I power it off at the end of the night. If it happened frequently, it might be easy to diagnose, but it doesn't. It's so completely random and it could happen a few days in a row, or not at all for up to six months.
At first I thought it might be the PSU, but to actually test that, I'd have to replace it for up to a few months, and I've never actually had the system randomly power off after it actually reaches the post screen. I thought maybe it was something in the BIOS, or the CMOS battery was dying, but that wasn't it. If it matters, I've had the system connected to a UPS since I first built it due to the lines around here seeming to freak out in the winter if a single snowflake even glances at them. I also had the issue while the system was both OC and at the default settings, so it's not an OC issue.
opticalmace
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Had to RMA my near-5-year-old WD 640GB Black drive last week. I guess they don't sell those anymore, 'cause they sent me a 750GB drive back.
kittoo
Cretinously credulous
Hmm. R290x is going to create some very interesting possibilities. I am very confused between R280x, GTX 770, GTX 780 and now R290x will be added to the list. On one hand 280x and 770 present a very good price to performance ratio, I want to future-proof my system so I also look at 780 and 290x. The price and performance of 290x are going to be really important for me. If its decently priced and performs well, I can see myself going over to the red team for the first time!
We are going to have official reveal on Wednesday, right?
We are going to have official reveal on Wednesday, right?
CreepingFear
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See to me, I don't like to even consider the 770 and 280x since they are rebranded old tech. I suppose if you have something ancient or your gpu fried, they are good deals.
I loathe typing on my current phone since the screen is inaccurate, slow, and I have to select and rotate the screen to get to the bottom of quotes. We'll see if that changes when I get a new one.
Plug your keyboard into a USB 2.0 port
Looks good, I'd swap Snipers for ARES sticks though since they are low profile.So Gaf, the time has finally come. My HDD is dying in this POS Dell, so I figured I would go ahead and build myself some thing decent. I haven't built my own PC since the turn of the century, so comments are welcome and encouraged.
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz
MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-Z87X-D3H
Case: Fractal Design Define R4
HDD: Seagate NAS HDD ST2000VN000 2TB
SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 128GB
GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB
PSU: Corsair HX750 750W
RAM: G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB (2 x 4GB)
Am I forgetting anything? Any incompatibilities I should be worried about? Airflow in the case OK?
Thanks in advance.
PSU wattage is fine
I'd go single 290X
Get a 1TB or 2TB drive. That 750GB is old platter tech and slower. Get an SSD.
PSU is more than enough.
Why did you upgrade? I've got a 670 and even a 770 or 780 aren't enticing enough for me to upgrade imo. Only problem I ran into was BF4 Beta using just about exactly 2GB of vRAM and I had to lower a setting.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
It's not ideal on my phone since it's only a 3.8" screen but the Windows Phone keyboard is so good it's not too much of a chore. In saying that I want to go big again soon, new Nexus could be a good shout I feel as the Lumia 1520 is just a bit too big.
Don't worry, you're not alone.
My previous card was a GTX 670 (FTW) as well. Only reason I sold it was the noise. I'll hardly notice any improvement, although I will OC the GTX 770 a little bit.
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
I kept telling myself to wait for the 800 series, but I dunno. I feel the next upgrade I do won't just be a GPU, it will be a system overhaul, so I might have to hold off jumping right on the 800 bandwagon for a little bit. Not that we know when they'll hit, but yeah. Getting a proper new GPU overhaul, alongside the next crop of CPUs (finally ditching the dual core), will cost me. So if I can hold out with a 4GB 770 that would do me well.
Does anybody know if the Microcenter CPU+Mobo deal is only compatible with certain mobos? I want to do 4670k + Z87 Gryphon but the website only lists certain mobos.
For reference:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.48 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus GRYPHON Z87 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($164.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston Predator Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($58.61 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card ($316.13 @ Newegg)
Case: BitFenix Phenom M Midnight Black MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($109.58 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $1031.77
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-19 19:05 EDT-0400)
This is what I have planned out, but it could definitely change once AMD announces the price of the 290x/290 ($600<= please).
For reference:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.48 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus GRYPHON Z87 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($164.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston Predator Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($58.61 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card ($316.13 @ Newegg)
Case: BitFenix Phenom M Midnight Black MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($109.58 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $1031.77
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-19 19:05 EDT-0400)
This is what I have planned out, but it could definitely change once AMD announces the price of the 290x/290 ($600<= please).
I got money to blow. I'm getting it in. Letting these bills fall all over your skin · I got money to blow, oh, I got money to blow.
Does anybody know if the Microcenter CPU+Mobo deal is only compatible with certain mobos? I want to do 4670k + Z87 Gryphon but the website only lists certain mobos.
For reference:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks
CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($227.48 @ Outlet PC)
Motherboard: Asus GRYPHON Z87 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($164.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Kingston Predator Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($58.61 @ NCIX US)
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Asus Radeon R9 280X 3GB Video Card ($316.13 @ Newegg)
Case: BitFenix Phenom M Midnight Black MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($109.58 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V Power Supply ($54.99 @ Microcenter)
Total: $1031.77
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-10-19 19:05 EDT-0400)
This is what I have planned out, but it could definitely change once AMD announces the price of the 290x/290 ($600<= please).
Don't get a Corsair CX PSU, swap it for this whilst it's still on offer, ends very very soon http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
There is no stock of that RAM, cheapest available is this at $72 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
No stock of that 280X either, there is of this Gigabyte http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125475 or for $20 you can just get a 7970 plus the Never Settle bundle which is what I'd do - Sapphire 7970 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202008 and MSI 7970 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127732
Bundle wise I can't be of much help, I would presume it's just what they're listing.
Tech GAF - a quick question, and I hope Im posting in the right thread.
Theres about a £30 price difference between my new laptop having an I3 Dual Core 4100M and an I5 Dual Core 4200M. It will be running a Nvidia GT750M- DDR5 GFX Card in either case on 8GB of RAM (again in either case)
What kind of tangible difference (if any) will there be in the running of games / emulators / applications between the I3 and I5 in these cases and ultimately is it worth me putting down the extra cash for the processor bump?
Thanks in advance.
Theres about a £30 price difference between my new laptop having an I3 Dual Core 4100M and an I5 Dual Core 4200M. It will be running a Nvidia GT750M- DDR5 GFX Card in either case on 8GB of RAM (again in either case)
What kind of tangible difference (if any) will there be in the running of games / emulators / applications between the I3 and I5 in these cases and ultimately is it worth me putting down the extra cash for the processor bump?
Thanks in advance.
Are there any options for Australians to buy overseas to avoid the more expensive prices we have here? I imagine a lot of the US retailers don't do overseas shipping, and if they do the postage would be so expensive that it wouldn't be worth it.
I'm now looking at this card http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=67&products_id=23160
Can anyone recommend it?
Would going from a 660 2GB to a 780 (TI depending if it delivers ) Be a worthwhile enough upgrade ?
opticalmace
Member
It's a big upgrade, but what's your current system? What resolution is your monitor?
Case : chieftec coolermaster.
Processor: I7 3770 (non k version) AT 3.4 Ghz
Motherboard : P8Z77-V LX2
16 GB RAM
PSU: 550 w
Windows 7
1080 P monitor
planning to do downsampling.
Yes. Or a R9 290 (not the X). I'd go for the R9 290, it'll probably OC like crazy and offer about 2x the performance you're getting now.
That would pretty much be the use case that would require a 780
AMD's offer is enticing but ive been so used to with the functions nvidia gives (NV inspector and experience ) that i don't feel like switching to them.
yeah only thing i am worried about is if want to give it a small overklock (GPU lightboost 2.0) )would my current PSU be enough ?
Also is my non k 3770 not going to cause a bottle neck for such a card ?
Really? I did the same thing and my min FPS increased greatly
SneakyStephan
Banned
Come on man you could have a 400 watt psu and it would be fine all the same.
Also isn't gtx 670 to 770 a tiny upgrade, like 15 percent?
Sanctuary
Member
That's really what I wanted to do too. I was actually going to wait to do a full system build whenever they ended up announcing the new cards, but reading this thread and then the announcement of the Ti, it's like fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!
Plus, there's a bunch of games that I actually want to play at higher settings now as opposed to March, April, May or whatever.
Windom Earle
Member
When I bought my 680 last year I switched my 530W PSU to a 750 for some wiggle room in the future. Nvidia recommends 600W for the 770 so you are on the low end but it should be ok.
CPU wise you could run into some bottlenecks but it depends on the game of course.
What do you have now and how much do you want to spend?
I have a 6950 with 1gb ram. I'd rather spend around $300-$350, but I will go to $400 if it's really worth it.
That is in Australian dollars btw.
GTX 760 if you absolutely cannot wait, but that's not a large enough jump in my opinion, maybe hold out for Maxwell. That's still a potent card.
Best bang for the buck is a 7970 or 280X (they're basically the same card) Try and find one of those for $350, but go to $400 if you can.
You could go with a 7950 I guess, but you'd see a bigger jump with the 7970.
Azzurri
Member
This is just to replace my 580 that I sold in my old rig. I have my GTX 780 for my new rig.
760 is very close in performance to a 580...
The only benefit I guess would be it uses less power and should be quieter.Does something like this have your approval? http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=67&products_id=23160
Very solid choice.
Azzurri
Member
760 is very close in performance to a 580...
How about the 7950 3gb?
Same problem. Only slightly faster than the 580
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7950-overclock-crossfire-benchmark,3123-5.html
And in some cases - slower
Windows 7 home premium is $79 right now on newegg, should I jump on it now even though the build probably won't happen for another month at least? I haven't been paying attention at how low it goes on sale.
JediMasterMatt
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Well, the new PC is up and running and I'm now able to formalize my thoughts:
WHAT THE FUCK WAS INTEL THINKING WITH THE TIM ON HASWELL!
My 4770k was hitting 100c on small FFTs on stock settings!!
Needless to say, I had to delid the damn thing.
Immediate drop of over 25c.... at 4.5ghz!
Worst design choice ever Intel. Go back to solder please.
WHAT THE FUCK WAS INTEL THINKING WITH THE TIM ON HASWELL!
My 4770k was hitting 100c on small FFTs on stock settings!!
Needless to say, I had to delid the damn thing.
Immediate drop of over 25c.... at 4.5ghz!
Worst design choice ever Intel. Go back to solder please.
kittoo
Cretinously credulous
Haan? I am sorry I didn't understand it as I am not very technical. Can you please explain? What does TIM, delid and solder mean?
I have just ordered the CPU so now you have me worried.
SneakyStephan
Banned
4770 and 4770k are the same cpu, only difference is one arbitrarily has overclocking disabled, and the other one costs more.
They all get hot because there is really poor heat transfer from the die (surface of the cpu chip) to the heat spreader (the metal plate that your heatsink from your cooler connects to) , intel used bad thermal paste to connect them...
I believe you can make it consumer less power (and thereby run a bit cooler) by disabling hyper threading, but if you do that you might as well just buy a 4670k (that one is the same cpu but without hyperthreading enabled)
All the haswell cpus (the 4000 series i5 and i7 like the i7 4770k) get needlessly hot, despite consuming less power than sandy bridge (the 2000 series like the i5 2500k) did in 2011. Because of the bad thermal paste.
Some people delid them (remove the heatspreader manually using a hammer or a razor blade, then remove the bad paste and reapply their own) so that the cooling will work properly and efficiently and they can run at lower (quieter) fan speeds while getting lower temperatures.
Ivy bridge had this same issue, but intel don't care because amd doesn't have a cpu in this performance bracket, no competition = fuck you stupid consumer tardsheep, you'll buy it anyhow.
Your 4770k won't break or anything, it'll just run hotter and your fanspeed will be a lot higher (and noisier) because of it.
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