"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 2. Read OP, your 2500K will run Witcher 3. MX100s! 970!

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mkenyon said:
Gotcha, I didn't realize this was possible. Having speakers on in voice chat in our server is a bannable offense, so I've never really looked into it :P
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Yes its definalty annoying if you can hear somebody elses game down your end, but even with my crappy 360 mic it doesnt pick up my speakers, although i have set a relatively high threshold for sound detection in teamspeak, and its just me an a few friends in our teamspeak so they cant ban me anways lol.
 
So I installed a SSD drive into my PC, cloned my C: partition to it and formatted my old C: partition.

Now I want to combine my F: partition with my old C: partition(now E:). Those partitions are from the same drive.

But I cant do this because the only way to do this is to combine E: with F:, and not the other way around, because you only can combine partitions from left to right(who made it that way?!) The problem is that all of my files/games are on the F: partition. I hope this picture helps explain it a little:
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Can I just copy/clone the files and games from F: to E:, and then combine these partitions? I hope you understand what I want to achieve here.
 
MrBigBoy said:
So I installed a SSD drive into my PC, cloned my C: partition to it and formatted my old C: partition.

Now I want to combine my F: partition with my old C: partition(now E:). Those partitions are from the same drive.

But I cant do this because the only way to do this is to combine E: with F:, and not the other way around, because you only can combine partitions from left to right(who made it that way?!) The problem is that all of my files/games are on the F: partition. I hope this picture helps explain it a little:
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Can I just copy/clone the files and games from F: to E:, and then combine these partitions? I hope you understand what I want to achieve here.
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Its a very bad idea to clone a HDD windows OS to an SSD, as Windows does some changes when it detects an SSD as the boot drive, such as disabling defragmentation and im sure a host of other things.

On the subject of merging the 2 partitions, your best bet is just to backup the F partition, format F, and then extend the E partition.
 
Hi PC Gaffers, I just finish building my first rig ever (and that was interesting and exhausting, thanks manufacturers for your non useful manual...) and I succeed to launch the BIOS last night, I was so happy.

Cable management is fucking hard in the Node 304 but most of things looks ok.

The only things missing are SSD and GPU.

1) The SSD is a legacy from my Medion laptop which passed away few months ago, Windows 7 is into it. If I connect it to the MB (Asus H97I Plus) what will happen?

2) I spend so many time looking for the GPU, my wallet want the R9 280 form Asus with DCU2T design (but GCN 1.1 so no freesync) for 200€ but my blood want a GTX 770 from MSI with reference card design for 250€, Gaffers I don't know what I have to do...

My Rig
CPU : Intel i5-4460
Cooler : Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
MB : Asus H97I Plus
GPU : None
RAM : 2 x 4go Kingston Hyper X Genesis
PSU : Cooler Master V550s 80+ Gold
Storage : Legacy SSD (Kingston V300 128go) + Legacy HDD Seasonic 500go 5400tpm
Case : Node 304

Thanks and sorry for my English (French based :p)
 
Nikokuno said:
Hi PS Gaffers, I just finish building my first rif ever (and that was interesting and exhausting, thanks manufacturers for your non useful manual...) and I succeed to launch the BIOS last night, I was so happy.

Cable management is fucking hard in the Node 304 but most of things looks ok.

The only things missing are SSD and GPU.

1) The SSD is a legacy from my Medion laptop which passed away few months ago, Windows 7 is into it. If I connect it to the MB (Asus H97I Plus) what will happen?

2) I spend so many time looking for the GPU, my wallet want the R9 280 form Asus with DCU2T design (but GCN 1.1 so no freesync) for 200€ but my blood want a GTX 770 from MSI with reference card design for 250€, Gaffers I don't know what I have to do...

My Rig
CPU : Intel i5-4460
Cooler : Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
MB : Asus H97I Plus
GPU : None
RAM : 2 x 4go Kingston Hyper X Genesis
PSU : Cooler Master V550s 80+ Gold
Storage : Legacy SSD (Kingston V300 128go) + Legacy HDD Seasonic 500go 5400tpm
Case : Node 304

Thanks and sorry for my English (French based :p)
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Regarding the SSD, It may boot, but it probably won't. If possible, try booting into recovery mode to see if Windows can automatically update the registry. If not, you'll need to format and reinstall.

If you need to save anything that's on it, create an Ubuntu boot disc or flash drive and run from disc/flash drive instead of installing. Move anything you need to save to an external.
 
eBay Huckster said:
- Get the 4790K over the 4770K, you're already getting a Z97 board anyway.
- Consider an R9 280X or R9 290 over the GTX 770 - NVIDIA's kind of a bad value proposition at that level

(I'll leave everything else to someone else because I'm feeling lazy, plus the rest of that actually looks good to me... except for maybe the PSU :P)
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What different PSU would you recommend?

I have also been advised to spend more on the GPU so perhaps looking at a 780 level or its equivalent
 
You're overspending big on the PSU, motherboard, and heatsink when you could get a better videocard by getting more appropriate parts.

What alternative GPU would you recommend ?

I went for the PSU and cooler to try and mitigate future purchases if I was to get additional GPUs say six to twelve months down the line.

I ma not averse to increasing the spend by £150
 
So after alot of agonizing, swearing, hair pulling and general rage (plus a replacement RMA board) my PC is built, bar graphics card, which ill pick up later in the year when prices come down on release of its successor.

I do have one major problem however. the wire attached to my power button is broken (this was the source of all my woes as I didn't realize). I had to move the reset switch cable to the power, which works fine, most of the time.

Can I buy a replacement or at the very least, can i buy the JPEL (not sure if that is the proper name) connectors separately and solder fresh wires to the buttons? (the buttons themselves seem fine, and still a a small bit of metal extending from them.

My case is a Sliverstone GD-08

It was bought second hand so I cant RMA it.
 
ThoughtsOfSpeaking said:
So after alot of agonizing, swearing, hair pulling and general rage (plus a replacement RMA board) my PC is built, bar graphics card, which ill pick up later in the year when prices come down on release of its successor.

I do have one major problem however. the wire attached to my power button is broken (this was the source of all my woes as I didn't realize). I had to move the reset switch cable to the power, which works fine, most of the time.

Can I buy a replacement or at the very least, can i buy the JPEL (not sure if that is the proper name) connectors separately and solder fresh wires to the buttons? (the buttons themselves seem fine, and still a a small bit of metal extending from them.

My case is a Sliverstone GD-08

It was bought second hand so I cant RMA it.
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I'd contact silverstone to just order a whole new harness. It can't be super expensive.

That's my way of saiyng, "I don't know, but this is what I would do because of my limited wiring knowledge".
 
MrNCFC said:
What different PSU would you recommend?

I have also been advised to spend more on the GPU so perhaps looking at a 780 level or its equivalent
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PSU is fine, but im not sure if it fits well in the Node 304 with full size GPU. The modular connectors may get in the way. The ideal PSU is the Seasonic G series (550/650W) for this case. Larger PSUs can be made to fit by removing the PSU bracket on the opposite side of the GPU (where the mains extension is attached). The PSU can then be secured by velcro or unsecured if the PC is never going to be in transit.
 
Refreshment.01 said:
When added costs of motherboard? And two cores? MAybe single threadded performance but for a game optimised for multiple ones?

Seems weird to me.
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It's real fast. Fast cores are still worth more in more cases.

Also gives you a real upgrade path to i7 when you need it.
 
So I'm looking to get a new GPU for Batman and The Witcher early next year. I'm currently running a launch 680 with 2GBs of VRAM, which I know is still good but I want to be able to crank everything up without even thinking about it from now until 2019, and the VRAM is starting to be a problem (or at least will be soon). Normally I would just jump to the 880 without second thoughts, but it keep hearing whispers that the 880 is going to be a mid-range card or something? What does that mean in this context?
 
Hazaro said:
It's real fast. Fast cores are still worth more in more cases.

Also gives you a real upgrade path to i7 when you need it.
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Im thinking in the here an now. Along the line i would want to upgrade to whatever follows AMD or Intel post i5/i7 etc. As a matter of fact i was happy with a 3 core phenom before and a AMD 5870 before the system failed.

Also was thinking in paring the combo with a gtx 660 (gygabyte one is around 170).

Any further suggestions? Mainly for gaming build for as cheap as possible.

Btw, what would be your Intel alternative? Link me to the board and processor.

PS: Kind in a hurry here since the price might raise quickly, so is sort of an opportunity XD
 
Refreshment.01 said:
When added costs of motherboard? And two cores? MAybe single threadded performance but for a game optimised for multiple ones?

Seems weird to me.
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Nope, not weird. The 6300 is terrible, terrible. Anything from Intel is better....you should go for the Pentium without question.
 
A Z97 board in the OP.

What comes after this gen won't matter for budget since the speed bumps are miniscule. The fact that an OC'd 2500K which is like 5 years old is 80% as good is shameful.

If you need to upgrade grab later just grab a chip from this gen.
 
Refreshment.01 said:
Im thinking in the here an now. Along the line i would want to upgrade to whatever follows AMD or Intel post i5/i7 etc. As a matter of fact i was happy with a 3 core phenom before and a AMD 5870 before the system failed.

Also was thinking in paring the combo with a gtx 660 (gygabyte one is around 170).

Any further suggestions? Mainly for gaming build for as cheap as possible.

Btw, what would be your Intel alternative? Link me to the board and processor.

PS: Kind in a hurry here since the price might raise quickly, so is sort of an opportunity XD
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In this case, the FPS average and our frame-time-focused 99th percentile metric agree: the dual-core Pentium at 4.8GHz handles our Crysis 3 test scenario pretty nicely overall, jockeying for position versus the FX-8350 and the Core i5-2500K.

What's intriguing is how the overclocked Pentium manages this feat. Crysis 3 clearly takes advantage of four or more hardware threads when they're available; look at how poorly the Pentium fares at stock speeds compared to the Athlon X4 and friends. Still, the G3258 more than makes up the deficit at 4.8GHz, thanks to good, old-fashioned per-core performance. Suddenly, it's in the mix with much higher-end CPUs.
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The benefits of the G3258's killer per-thread performance are best illustrated by our "badness" metric, which looks at the time spent working on frames above a series of thresholds. The more time spent working on frames that take longer than, say, 33 milliseconds (or two display refresh intervals at 60Hz) to produce, the slower the game is likely to feel.
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And here's how you do that build:

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As Haz pointed out, this gives you the benefit of upgrading to a serious gaming processor down the line by just dropping it in. With the FX6300, you're stuck on a dead socket that has no processor that is capable of competing with processors 4 years old, let alone the current Haswell stuff.
 
I'm really tempted to grab the Intel Haswell-E 8 core with some DDR4 and hope that just lasts me forever

Is this a dumb idea? Costs quite a lot
 
Bare with me a little bit more and be patient please.

You are convincing me with the intel build but listen. Haven't had a good luck overclocking so getting this thing to 4.8 GHZ would be out of the question and i will be using my spare 212+ to cool the thing. This place here is hot.

What would be the next intel processor in terms of bang for the buck? Also is the 660 GTX a good choice for a build in this range and to game at 1920x1200 or 1080p?

Btw, when i said i was considereing whatever AMD/Intel has next for as serious upgrade i know that the motherboard ill buy now won't work.

Also, is the pentium anniversary enough to move most games if i could manage a decent overclock?

Again a ton of thanks for suggestions.
 
Refreshment.01 said:
Bare with me a little bit more and be patient please.

You are convincing me with the intel build but listen. Haven't had a good luck overclocking so getting this thing to 4.8 GHZ would be out of the question and i will be using my spare 212+ to cool the thing. This place here is hot.

What would be the next intel processor in terms of bang for the buck? Also is the 660 GTX a good choice for a build in this range and to game at 1920x1200 or 1080p?

Btw, when i said i was considereing whatever AMD/Intel has next for as serious upgrade i know that the motherboard ill buy now won't work.

Also, is the pentium anniversary enough to move most games if i could manage a decent overclock?

Again a ton of thanks for suggestions.
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OCing now is easy, and the Pentium has a fairly good record for clocks fwiw. 4.4GHz is probably the worst you'll hit. A Hyper 212 will have no issues cooling it, it's only a 53w part.

660 is an OK card, better options around now. All depends on what it's costing.

The motherboard you buy now with Intel has another CPU line coming in 2015. It won't be replaced until 2016
 
kharma45 said:
OCing now is easy, and the Pentium has a fairly good record for clocks fwiw. 4.4GHz is probably the worst you'll hit. A Hyper 212 will have no issues cooling it, it's only a 53w part.

660 is an OK card, better options around now. All depends on what it's costing.

The motherboard you buy now with Intel has another CPU line coming in 2015. It won't be replaced until 2016
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Im eying the mkenyon build suggested above, with that 100 Asus board

What are the better cards than the 660 gtx?

Also eying this cheap ssd:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007ZW2LY4/?tag=neogaf0e-20

i know is not top of the line im just looking for an improvement over a mechanical drive that is cheap and above 128 GB.
 
Zeyphersan said:
Okay sure, by forever I meant running everything at max with no concessions for 5+ years
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The only way to ensure future proofing with a given budget is to buy sensibly, and upgrade every two years or so with parts that make sense.

We might have a radical shift in the way games use processors that make an 8 core Haswell-E part perform poorly by comparison.

If the rumors are true, the low clock speed will certainly make it a worse performer in any last gen engine compared with even the $70 pentium anniversary edition. Unless it's able to OC to the 4.5GHz range.
 
kharma45 said:
What were you budgeting for the GPU?
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Since the cheapest gtx 660 i was seen in amazon was a gigabyte brand at 170 us that's it, i guess. Also the target resolution is mostly 1080p.

Also what would be the processor that follows the g3258 as best value? HAven't been very lucky when scoring good prices on processors when trying to upgrade with the same motherboard XD
 
Refreshment.01 said:
Since the cheapest gtx 660 i was seen in amazon was a gigabyte brand at 170 us that's it, i guess. Also the target resolution is mostly 1080p.

Also what would be the processor that follows the g3258 as best value? HAven't been very lucky when scoring good prices on processors when trying to upgrade with the motherboard XD
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For me the 4670K is the next best value, as the Pentium can outperform locked i3s and i5s in games where you're using 1-2 threads with it's overclocking headroom.

GPU I'd grab a 270 for a fair bit less

R9 270 for $155 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
 
It's a $150 gap between good value intel processors. The Pentium Anniversary is an incredible chip. Will go into the record books along side the Celeron 300, Q6600 and 2500k
 
kharma45 said:
For me the 4670K is the next best value, as the Pentium can outperform locked i3s and i5s in games where you're using 1-2 threads with it's overclocking headroom.

GPU I'd grab a 270 for a fair bit less

R9 270 for $155 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
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Trying to go nvidia this time around, what would be the equivalent?

Also i read the last paragraph of anadtech review, seems the 2 cores might be a limiting factor for games. Up to the hear and now, can this processor do a decent job running games? MAybe not 60 smoothly but enough to not bottleneck the 170 or so card i will paired with.
kennah said:
It's a $150 gap between good value intel processors. The Pentium Anniversary is an incredible chip. Will go into the record books along side the Celeron 300, Q6600 and 2500k
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After a quick check that what i realize. That's the main reason i was eying the fx 6300, at least for applications with multiple threads it seems above what many dual cores achieve in a similar price range.
 
Refreshment.01 said:
Trying to go nvidia this time around, what would be the equivalent?

Also i read the last paragraph of anadtech review, seems the 2 cores might be a limiting factor for games. Up to the hear and now, can this processor do a decent job running games? MAybe not 60 smoothly but enough to not bottleneck the 170 or so card i will paired with.
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The article points out that Crysis 3 is capable of using multiple cores, but despite this, the high instructions per clock (IPC) still allows it to perform better than the 8 core 8350.

Yes, it will be a limiting factor in the future, but at that point, you can swap in an appropriate i5 or i7.

It's basically a way to get a solid PC up and running with giving yourself a great upgrade path.
 
mkenyon said:
I'd contact silverstone to just order a whole new harness. It can't be super expensive.

That's my way of saiyng, "I don't know, but this is what I would do because of my limited wiring knowledge".
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Yeah, taking a look, the whole harness is held together by 2 screws. I imagine the whole thing wouldn't be too costly to replace.
 
I currently have an i7 2600k stock, 16gb ram and a Asus 6870. I think It's time for a new video card and I might go with nvidia for the use of CUDA rendering ( in blender ). My budget is $300 CAD. Best options? It being nvidia isn't 100% necessary, but I wouldn't mind going to the green side, unless I can be convinced otherwise.

My monitor's resolution is 2560x1440 and I don't care to pump my graphics to the highest at all times. I'm curious if there is anything in the near future worth waiting for so I don't waste my cash - thanks!
 
GTX 800 series launching sometime from September-November. I'd wait for that. If you don't want to, then the 760 is a pretty good buy.
 
ConvenientBox said:
I currently have an i7 2600k stock, 16gb ram and a Asus 6870. I think It's time for a new video card and I might go with nvidia for the use of CUDA rendering ( in blender ). My budget is $300 CAD. Best options? It being nvidia isn't 100% necessary, but I wouldn't mind going to the green side, unless I can be convinced otherwise.

My monitor's resolution is 2560x1440 and I don't care to pump my graphics to the highest at all times. I'm curious if there is anything in the near future worth waiting for so I don't waste my cash - thanks!
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A 760 or used 680/670. Where in Canada are you? If you have a memory express near you they sometimes have decent deals in their clearance section. Or wait for the 800 series "soon"
 
Refreshment.01 said:
Trying to go nvidia this time around, what would be the equivalent?

Also i read the last paragraph of anadtech review, seems the 2 cores might be a limiting factor for games. Up to the hear and now, can this processor do a decent job running games? MAybe not 60 smoothly but enough to not bottleneck the 170 or so card i will paired with.

After a quick check that what i realize. That's the main reason i was eying the fx 6300, at least for applications with multiple threads it seems above what many dual cores achieve in a similar price range.
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Dual core comparisions you are seeing are likely not taking the Annoversry Pentoum into consideration. The chip is only a month old and incredible. Don't get an fx.
Edit. Sorry. Double post.
 
Okay forget my old plan.

I have an i5-3570k OC'd to 4.3Ghz, and can probably get higher when I put some watercooling in there. Is there any indication that this will become a bottleneck anytime soon, assuming I stay current with my graphics card?
 
So with all the high-demanding games coming out soon - should I start focusing on research on how to overclock my i5 3.3ghz and GTX680?
Never done it cause I heard it could be...dangerous?
 
st1llx said:
So with all the high-demanding games coming out soon - should I start focusing on research on how to overclock my i5 3.3ghz and GTX680?
Never done it cause I heard it could be...dangerous?
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Depends on the exact chip and motherboard you have. It used to be dangerous. Not so mch now (if you research properly)
 
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