"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 2. Read OP, your 2500K will run Witcher 3. MX100s! 970!

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I have no real preference between AMD or Nvidia, I always used to have Nvidia cards but there was no particular reason for this. Is there a clear difference between the two, and are there any reasons I might want to pick one manufacturer over another?

Generally, in raw performance you'll get a much better value with AMD cards. nVidia has slightly more mature drivers (better day 1 support in some cases) and they have a few nVidia specific features (some type of AA I can't remember the name of, PhysX, and 1 or 2 other things).

Basically, it comes down to how much you value the nVidia specific stuff. If you want that stuff, buy nVidia. If that doesn't matter to you, buy AMD.
 
Nvidia's CUDA cores might also be a consideration for someone using After Effects.

Would still say AMD is all-round better value though.
 
I have no real preference between AMD or Nvidia, I always used to have Nvidia cards but there was no particular reason for this. Is there a clear difference between the two, and are there any reasons I might want to pick one manufacturer over another?



Nvidia's CUDA cores might also be a consideration for someone using After Effects.

Would still say AMD is all-round better value though.

Ah, yes. I forgot you were going to be using this for more than gaming. Your best bet is to probably wait for the 870 or save a little more while waiting and get an 880 if you can.
 
Ah, yes. I forgot you were going to be using this for more than gaming. Your best bet is to probably wait for the 870 or save a little more while waiting and get an 880 if you can.

I was hoping to start getting parts together within the next month or two, but I can wait a little longer - is there any official word on how long it'll be until the 870/880 will be released? I've read a few things online saying they might appear 'in Q4 2014' but nothing too specific.

Also, does it seem remotely realistic to expect to get one of those cards at £300 or less? That's about as far as my budget can stretch including the price of the other components I listed earlier.

Thanks again for your continued help with this!
 
Nvidia's CUDA cores might also be a consideration for someone using After Effects.

Would still say AMD is all-round better value though.

I thought AE was more cpu bound? And the only thing you can't do if you're not on nvidia is some sort of rare Ray tracing technique.
 
I was hoping to start getting parts together within the next month or two, but I can wait a little longer - is there any official word on how long it'll be until the 870/880 will be released? I've read a few things online saying they might appear 'in Q4 2014' but nothing too specific.

Also, does it seem remotely realistic to expect to get one of those cards at £300 or less? That's about as far as my budget can stretch including the price of the other components I listed earlier.

Thanks again for your continued help with this!

I remember reading that they will come out late September / early October, and then probably another few weeks until companies will release the custom cooler versions of the cards.
 
I was hoping to start getting parts together within the next month or two, but I can wait a little longer - is there any official word on how long it'll be until the 870/880 will be released? I've read a few things online saying they might appear 'in Q4 2014' but nothing too specific.

Also, does it seem remotely realistic to expect to get one of those cards at £300 or less? That's about as far as my budget can stretch including the price of the other components I listed earlier.

Thanks again for your continued help with this!

All rumors and speculation at this point, but heavily suggested as late September early October. Edit: beaten

What specific programs are you going to be using? (Sorry if you already answered, didn't see.)
 
All rumors and speculation at this point, but heavily suggested as late September early October. Edit: beaten

What specific programs are you going to be using? (Sorry if you already answered, didn't see.)

Other than Steam (of course) I'll most likely be running the Adobe creative suite (predominantly Photoshop, AfterEffects, and Premiere) and will eventually buy myself a copy of Avid Media Composer 7. I'm a freelance editor and while the vast majority of my work is done in-house with company machines, I figure it'd be a solid investment to get myself a powerful PC so I can do editing in my own time if needs be. I'm also really excited about getting back into AfterEffects as I was a huge fan of the program in ye olde days but haven't had a machine powerful enough to run it properly for some time. Granted there isn't much of a professional use for this right now (I'm currently working for the BBC's natural history unit, which doesn't really call for added explosions and neon motion graphics!) but whatever, AE was always a hobby of mine.

It's worth noting that having a powerful machine when you're a freelancer can also potentially be used to offset the price of the system itself - many production companies in my area either hire kit for editing or hire a suite (which includes kit) at a post-production house, but if you have your own powerful machine and are already being hired as the editor you can offer to provide your own kit for an additional fee. As long as it's up to scratch, your employer saves money because you'll charge a reduced kit rate (compared to a post-house) and you get money for essentially doing nothing.
 
For years I've been using pretty much just a standard keyboard and mouse and haven't used a Gaming mouse, and i'd like to finally get one as long as it's not something too expensive. I've tried searching for things that might be a good choice but i still don't know what i should get. I'm hoping for something that's around £30-40 in price. Anyone got any suggestions? I don't really like the look of the ones in the OP.

The two i've seen so far that seem like they might be good choices and don't have too bad reviews are these:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0083H4NG4/

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00AAQRNQ8/
 
Other than Steam (of course) I'll most likely be running the Adobe creative suite (predominantly Photoshop, AfterEffects, and Premiere) and will eventually buy myself a copy of Avid Media Composer 7. I'm a freelance editor and while the vast majority of my work is done in-house with company machines, I figure it'd be a solid investment to get myself a powerful PC so I can do editing in my own time if needs be. I'm also really excited about getting back into AfterEffects as I was a huge fan of the program in ye olde days but haven't had a machine powerful enough to run it properly for some time. Granted there isn't much of a professional use for this right now (I'm currently working for the BBC's natural history unit, which doesn't really call for added explosions and neon motion graphics!) but whatever, AE was always a hobby of mine.

It's worth noting that having a powerful machine when you're a freelancer can also potentially be used to offset the price of the system itself - many production companies in my area either hire kit for editing or hire a suite (which includes kit) at a post-production house, but if you have your own powerful machine and are already being hired as the editor you can offer to provide your own kit for an additional fee. As long as it's up to scratch, your employer saves money because you'll charge a reduced kit rate (compared to a post-house) and you get money for essentially doing nothing.

I completely understand that last part about kit. My wife is in ad design and I had to spend my gaming rig budget getting her a Macbook Pro so she could be competitive. A lot of firms will look past people who don't bring their own hardware to the table.

But yeah, you''ll probably want Nvidia CUDA cores for Photoshop, After Effects(If you use ray tracing, apparently) and Premiere.
 
For years I've been using pretty much just a standard keyboard and mouse and haven't used a Gaming mouse, and i'd like to finally get one as long as it's not something too expensive. I've tried searching for things that might be a good choice but i still don't know what i should get. I'm hoping for something that's around £30 in price. Anyone got any suggestions? I don't really like the look of the ones in the OP.

The two i've seen so far that seem like they might be good choices and don't have too bad reviews are these:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0083H4NG4/

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00AAQRNQ8/

Are you signed up to Flubit? 'Cause if you are, I'd Flubit this : http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B007N641YA/
 
#idontknowaboutcuda

I thought there was some implementation but if it's just for 3D ray tracing then I dunno. ;~;

In Premiere I think there is a worthwhile difference but in AE I'm not so sure

Edit - From Adobe's website

A common misconception is that After Effects requires CUDA features of one of a specific set of Nvidia GPUs. That is not true. Only the GPU-accelerated ray-traced 3D renderer requires this. The other GPU features work on any GPU that meets certain basic requirements, including AMD and Intel GPUs. See below for details.

http://blogs.adobe.com/aftereffects/2012/05/gpu-cuda-opengl-features-in-after-effects-cs6.html

And forum

https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1237639

This has been talked about many times. Only GPU Ray-traced rendering requires a CUDA compatible NVIDIA card. All other accelleration is available to AE. AE does not rely on the same Open CL acceleration and the Mercury playback engine utilized by Premiere Pro because AE handles pixels and pixel math in a completely different pipeline.

The GPU Ray-traced rendering in AE is slow and only marginally usefully for a very few applications. If you design philosophy and your client base requires these features then add a few dollars to your invoices and get yourself an NVIDIA card. There are other work around's and the inclusion of C4D lite in CC gives you access to much better 3D effects than AE's simple extrusion and bending features.

Although in saying that I'd still feel more comfortable recommending Nvidia as I'm no expert on AE and the performance of CUDA vs OpenGL.

someone pls hlp.
 
Useful words.

It's becoming quite apparent that there are definite advantages in buying an nvidia card for the sort of programs I'll be using - some of these advantages are quite small, but I'd prefer to go with a card that fully supports the software I intend to use.

I completely understand that last part about kit. My wife is in ad design and I had to spend my gaming rig budget getting her a Macbook Pro so she could be competitive. A lot of firms will look past people who don't bring their own hardware to the table.

Oof, that's rough - luckily the places I've worked so far provide their own kit as standard, but I can easily see this being an issue later down the line. Being with a big company like the BBC is one thing, but I'm sure I'll end up doing work for indies at some point where their access to powerful systems will be seriously limited by comparison.
 
It's becoming quite apparent that there are definite advantages in buying an nvidia card for the sort of programs I'll be using - some of these advantages are quite small, but I'd prefer to go with a card that fully supports the software I intend to use.



Oof, that's rough - luckily the places I've worked so far provide their own kit as standard, but I can easily see this being an issue later down the line. Being with a big company like the BBC is one thing, but I'm sure I'll end up doing work for indies at some point where their access to powerful systems will be seriously limited by comparison.

Yeah, I was planning a gaming build and a Kaveri HTPC until I had to buy a $2500+ laptop... I had resolved myself to a marginal upgrade along the AM3+ path until Mkenyon stepped in and saved me.
 
I've heard that PCSX2 relies mostly on CPU (and to a lesser extent GPU), any reason for recommending the bumps to PSU and Mobo over CPU? Since I don't have a wealth of knowledge on PC's I don't know what the increase to power-supply and motherboards accomplish.
The i7 is the same as i5 for emulation if you OC. If you won't then get the i7 since it has a higher clock speed.

PSU to BP550.
 
Some of the photos you guys post make me jealous... my PC is fairly decent but my cable management is fucking dreadful. Some really clean looking pics in this thread.
 
Ok gonna be building a PC very soon I'm stuck if to build one or actually jut buy a pre-built the pre-builds i've been looking at seem the same price as buillding one myself the pre-build is:

Case : Zalman Z3+ Black Tower Case
Power Supply : Aerocool VP Pro 850 Watt Branded PSU
Motherboard : Gigabyte Z97M-DS3H (supports new 5th Gen Intel CPU later this year)
CPU : Intel I7 4th Gen 4790 Quad Core 3.6Ghz (turbo 4.0Ghz) CPU
Hard Drive : 1tb Sata Hard Drive
Memory : 8gb DDR3 1600mhz Corsair Vengeance Memory
Graphics Card : Onboard Intergrated HD 4600 (DVI / VGA)
Optical Drive : 24x Dual Layer DVD Writer
Connections : 6 x USB 2.0 / 2 x USB 3.0 / LAN / Sound
price is basically £480 yes UK pounds. ( budget to without g/card ) ideally would like cheaper.

oh yea not bothered about o/c just yet ill change mobo and so on next year for that and only want 1 g/card.

graphics card gonna buy at a slightly later point I don't want to skimp on it was thinking eiva a 290 none X or a 780 none ti... which is best thinking 290 myself. So is there a build it yourself better than this I cant seem to get it better with pc part picker I find it kinda pointlless if it isnt showing any postage and so on.
Any advice would be greatly apreciated.
 
Ok gonna be building a PC very soon I'm stuck if to build one or actually jut buy a pre-built the pre-builds i've been looking at seem the same price as buillding one myself the pre-build is:

Case : Zalman Z3+ Black Tower Case
Power Supply : Aerocool VP Pro 850 Watt Branded PSU
Motherboard : Gigabyte Z97M-DS3H (supports new 5th Gen Intel CPU later this year)
CPU : Intel I7 4th Gen 4790 Quad Core 3.6Ghz (turbo 4.0Ghz) CPU
Hard Drive : 1tb Sata Hard Drive
Memory : 8gb DDR3 1600mhz Corsair Vengeance Memory
Graphics Card : Onboard Intergrated HD 4600 (DVI / VGA)
Optical Drive : 24x Dual Layer DVD Writer
Connections : 6 x USB 2.0 / 2 x USB 3.0 / LAN / Sound
price is basically £480 yes UK pounds. ( budget to without g/card ) ideally would like cheaper.

oh yea not bothered about o/c just yet ill change mobo and so on next year for that and only want 1 g/card.

graphics card gonna buy at a slightly later point I don't want to skimp on it was thinking eiva a 290 none X or a 780 none ti... which is best thinking 290 myself. So is there a build it yourself better than this I cant seem to get it better with pc part picker I find it kinda pointlless if it isnt showing any postage and so on.
Any advice would be greatly apreciated.

Pretty awful PSU. Not a great all round build.

For ~£500 incl. delivery

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£160.00 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£22.63 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£79.78 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 Low Profile Red 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£59.99 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£51.99 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£39.98 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (£30.17 @ Ebuyer)
Other: be quiet! Pure Power L8 630W BN182 Modular 80+ Bronze 12cm Quiet Fan Braided Cables SLi/Xfire Silent (£56.14)
Total: £500.68
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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That PSU gives you enough power for any single GPU plus OCing room.
 
What's a good solution for some background lighting behind my screen? I was looking at some LED strips, but I have no idea what's on the market.

I though I saw something from Antec, but are there any other brands that offer this for a reasonable price?


I want this in white.
 
Pretty awful PSU. Not a great all round build.

For ~£500 incl. delivery

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£160.00 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£22.63 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£79.78 @ Ebuyer)
Memory: Patriot Viper 3 Low Profile Red 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£59.99 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£51.99 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£39.98 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (£30.17 @ Ebuyer)
Other: be quiet! Pure Power L8 630W BN182 Modular 80+ Bronze 12cm Quiet Fan Braided Cables SLi/Xfire Silent (£56.14)
Total: £500.68
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-08-20 21:53 BST+0100

That PSU gives you enough power for any single GPU plus OCing room.

yea the psu I read about it and didn't seem great, is this case ok for a card the size of a gtx 780 or 290? and is a i5 enough for up coming games i like strategy went for the i7 as strategy games are more cpu bound. Eiva you have convinced me to build my own I think how do you get it to show taxes and shipping is included?
 
To add to kharma above, I'd highly suggest being bothered about OC'ing. It's going to help a lot in a lot of games, it's inexpensive, and it's really really easy.

@rafbanaan

I know there are some cheaper options, but I picked up a kit at my local hardware store (Lowes, in this case).

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It allows multiple colors and has room for expansion.
 
yea the psu I read about it and didn't seem great, is this case ok for a card the size of a gtx 780 or 290? and is a i5 enough for up coming games i like strategy went for the i7 as strategy games are more cpu bound. Eiv you have convinced me to build my own I think how do you get it to show taxes and shipping is included?

Tax is included in the UK, and most sites outside of Aria and OCUK offer free delivery. Scan and CCL charge for some.

Case is fine for any single GPU.

i5 is still fine, and it's an overclockable one. I'd rather have it than a locked i7 any day.
 
Tax is included in the UK, and most sites outside of Aria and OCUK offer free delivery. Scan and CCL charge for some.

Case is fine for any single GPU.

i5 is still fine, and it's an overclockable one. I'd rather have it than a locked i7 any day.


ah ok suppose doesnt matter if I intend to get rid of it in a year or 2 (the cpu). Is the case cooling ok I worry parts may over heat anyway thank you for your time and advice im pretty sure imma go with this or very close to it.
 
ah ok suppose doesnt matter if I intend to get rid of it in a year or 2 (the cpu). Is the case cooling ok I worry parts may over heat anyway thank you for your time and advice im pretty sure imma go with this or very close to it.

That CPU will last you longer than a year or two. There'll likely be no need to change it.
 
Could anyone help me with an issue I'm having?
I decided I want to play some games on my TV so I changed my PC input to DVI cable and used HDMI to my TV. The problem is when the HDMI is plugged in the DVI and HDMI inputs on the monitor go black. My TV has picture from my computer but my monitor doesn't show anything.
 
Yo for mice I just wanna say the Logitech G502 Proteus Core (geez what a cheesy name), is flippin amazing. I came from a G9x to a G602 to this guy, using the G440 hard mousepad. Super happy with it!
 
Could anyone help me with an issue I'm having?
I decided I want to play some games on my TV so I changed my PC input to DVI cable and used HDMI to my TV. The problem is when the HDMI is plugged in the DVI and HDMI inputs on the monitor go black. My TV has picture from my computer but my monitor doesn't show anything.

It could be sending a resolution your TV doesn't support. Is your regular monitor 16:10?
 
Can someone tell me how much of a difference it is if i buy a GTX 680 with 4gb instead of 2gb?
Depends on what types of games you play and if you're only running a single monitor versus a multimonitor setup. Generally speaking 2GB will be fine for most games as only a select few games will use more than that at 1080p. Heavily modded Skyrim is one example of a game that will use a lot of video memory, and I think games like Metro LL and Crysis can too.

If the cost isn't much more it'd be better to get the 4GB because more VRAM can only be a good thing and more games in the future will use more of it.
 
Yo for mice I just wanna say the Logitech G502 Proteus Core (geez what a cheesy name), is flippin amazing. I came from a G9x to a G602 to this guy, using the G440 hard mousepad. Super happy with it!
I've definitely handled it a couple of times at Frys/Best Buy, and have come close to buying it. It's a tad too heavy for my liking, but that comfort and grip is fucking amazing.

I think I will definitely be trying out the G402 when it comes out.
 
I want to make some upgrades to my PC, but I don't want to change out my i5 760 2.8ghz CPU, which will be a bottleneck, I know. I considered overclocking it, but realized my current motherboard, an EVGA p55v, has no overclocking capabilities. I would like to know if it is possible to get a new motherboard with OC capability that still supports my CPU. If not I'll consider replacing both before making any other upgrades.
 
I want to make some upgrades to my PC, but I don't want to change out my i5 760 2.8ghz CPU, which will be a bottleneck, I know. I considered overclocking it, but realized my current motherboard, an EVGA p55v, has no overclocking capabilities. I would like to know if it is possible to get a new motherboard with OC capability that still supports my CPU.
Used market will have some floating around.
 
Used market will have some floating around.

That's the answer I was afraid of, but I'll consider it. I can wait on the upgrades anyway.

My main item was a GTX 770, which I know is considerably more powerful than my current HD 5770. Should I still make the upgrade with the intention of replacing the CPU and mobo later?
 
Got all my components shipped in, finally. Looking to start building this weekend. I've been using W7 up until this point, have people been switching to Windows 8 for 8.1 or are a lot still sticking with 7? Would like to hear your thoughts.
 
That's the answer I was afraid of, but I'll consider it. I can wait on the upgrades anyway.

My main item was a GTX 770, which I know is considerably more powerful than my current HD 5770. Should I still make the upgrade with the intention of replacing the CPU and mobo later?

Yea, changing the CPU/MB will have no effect on the GPU that can or cannot be used
 
So it's almost only for emulation then? No other gaming?

Yeah, I guess it's a bit silly to spend so much on a PC to do so little with it, but it's mostly meant as a replacement for my PlayStation 2 and Wii.

The i7 is the same as i5 for emulation if you OC. If you won't then get the i7 since it has a higher clock speed.

PSU to BP550.

Ah, got'cha, thanks for all the recommendations!
 
So on power supplies, it seems that 850w is the sweet spot for a dual card setup and 650w is the same for a single GPU. What would be the pros to going with a 750 over a 650 for a single GPU then? Any at all?
 
My trusty 6970 is going out on me. It would suddenly lose video and it became apparent when I would play games or HD video, it would lose video even faster.

I'm not looking for anything that much more powerful for a replacement, just a card that can replace it okay for real cheap for now, since I'm on quite a budget for now. I wasn't planning on buying a better more expensive card anytime soon as it handled my current gaming needs at 1080p pretty fine.

Would a 580GTX 1.5GB for $110 be a good replacement?
 
Grab one of the 200$ 770s that are in the bst thread
So on power supplies, it seems that 850w is the sweet spot for a dual card setup and 650w is the same for a single GPU. What would be the pros to going with a 750 over a 650 for a single GPU then? Any at all?
None

unless that particular psu has a mode that turns the fan off at under 50% power
 
Thanks to those in this thread for helping me out over the past week. Finalized my build and ordered everything tonight. Probably could have gotten a better deal on several components, but I needed to get everything ordered ASAP, as I need to build early next week. (I need a beefy new machine for work.)

Came to about $1300. I'll post some pics and the specs once I build it.
 
To add to kharma above, I'd highly suggest being bothered about OC'ing. It's going to help a lot in a lot of games, it's inexpensive, and it's really really easy.

@rafbanaan

I know there are some cheaper options, but I picked up a kit at my local hardware store (Lowes, in this case).



It allows multiple colors and has room for expansion.
This is beautiful. The monitor height looks higher than most how do you like that?
 
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