Now now, it's nothing to do with what anyone else pays for their card. You're naturally going to feel like you should've waited if superior hardware comes out for a lower price. Everyone wants the best value for their money!
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"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 2. Read OP, your 2500K will run Witcher 3. MX100s! 970!
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I hope you learned your lesson. Stop going to Tom's.So, after months of waiting for news on Maxwell -- official specs, firm release date, anything -- I finally caved and ordered two 780 Ti cards on Sunday night.
Almost threw up when I woke up this morning and saw this at Tom's:
I gathered myself and clicked through to find that their "report" is just a sh*tty forum rumor sourced from a single post. They also mention a recent rumor that the 880 will ship with a 256-bit interface (likely) and 8GB of VRAM (lol).
Yeaaaaaaa. F*ck you, GTX 880...you tardy, almost definitely underwhelming, mid-range bastard. And, jesus, f*ck Tom's Hardware for their egregious mis-use of "Report". SMH.
TechReport, PCPer, and Guru3D are more than enough to catch everything going on.
Nickerbocker98
Banned
I am looking into these parts to build my first desktop and I was wondering if some fellow GAF members would help this console peasant see if this rig will help me achieve my goals:
CPU: Intel i7 4790K
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z97X-UD3H
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3-1600
Storage: Two Crucial MX100 SSDs (one 256GB, the other 512GB)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Superclocked ACX
Power Supply: Antec Basiq 500W ATX
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case
Main Use: 5. Gaming, Video Editing, Streaming in HD, and General Usage.
I would like to play my games at 1080p. I probably will buy a new monitor for it, but I can hook it up to my TV through HDMI. I would ideally like to upgrade the video card at some point in the future.
I would like to run the Adobe Production products (Premiere Pro, After Effects, and Photoshop) smoothly without any trouble. For the sake of seeing how this will do in terms of game performance, I will say Crysis 3 and The Witcher 2.
I maybe getting these parts based on my own budget and time. No getting all of these at once unless money comes flying out of my patootie, which seems unlikely.
How long would this rig last before I would have to consider seriously upgrading parts? Any other advice? Help would be greatly appreciated.
CPU: Intel i7 4790K
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z97X-UD3H
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2x8GB) DDR3-1600
Storage: Two Crucial MX100 SSDs (one 256GB, the other 512GB)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 770 2GB Superclocked ACX
Power Supply: Antec Basiq 500W ATX
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case
Main Use: 5. Gaming, Video Editing, Streaming in HD, and General Usage.
I would like to play my games at 1080p. I probably will buy a new monitor for it, but I can hook it up to my TV through HDMI. I would ideally like to upgrade the video card at some point in the future.
I would like to run the Adobe Production products (Premiere Pro, After Effects, and Photoshop) smoothly without any trouble. For the sake of seeing how this will do in terms of game performance, I will say Crysis 3 and The Witcher 2.
I maybe getting these parts based on my own budget and time. No getting all of these at once unless money comes flying out of my patootie, which seems unlikely.
How long would this rig last before I would have to consider seriously upgrading parts? Any other advice? Help would be greatly appreciated.
What a cool article. Definitely goes a long way in showing that the concern about SSD's lifespan is a thing of the past. 700TB is a ton of data. Probably more than even an above average consumer (installing and uninstalling games, lots of patches, etc) would use over the course of 10 years.
First off, that's not really a thing here on GAF. It used to be bannable awhile back, and still frowned upon. We're all one community playing games <3
Looks solid. I'd probably try and find a way to squeeze in a better PSU though. I'd also push for an aftermarket heatsink.
jfoul
Member
Today I received the Gigabyte R9 290X OC I bought from Amazon Warehouse Deals for $330. The retail box showed up in very good condition, almost like new.
Opened up the box and nothing seems to be missing.
I installed the 290X after removing my Nvidia driver/software and running CClean. It posted with video, and booted into Windows 8.1 on the first try. Installation of the Catalyst Control Center went smoothly, with no video/audio issues after restart.
Bonus picture of the old/filler card, and some relics from the past.
So far, I've ran through about 20 games on my Steam Library ranging from small indie to demanding AAA. I ran into a small issue with Tomb Raider while switching graphic settings to Ultra. The game black screened and rebooted my desktop. I went back into the game afterwards and played for 10 minutes, and everything was fine.
A used non-ref R9 290X for $330 is an amazing price, even as used. With Amazon's awesome return policy I have one month to put this card through torture to make sure it's stable. I also think the Gigabyte 3 year warranty goes by serial/manufacture date, but I need to call them for confirmation.
Amazon still has these through Warehouse Deals for $$330.97 and I fully recommend it... for now.
Opened up the box and nothing seems to be missing.
I installed the 290X after removing my Nvidia driver/software and running CClean. It posted with video, and booted into Windows 8.1 on the first try. Installation of the Catalyst Control Center went smoothly, with no video/audio issues after restart.
Bonus picture of the old/filler card, and some relics from the past.
So far, I've ran through about 20 games on my Steam Library ranging from small indie to demanding AAA. I ran into a small issue with Tomb Raider while switching graphic settings to Ultra. The game black screened and rebooted my desktop. I went back into the game afterwards and played for 10 minutes, and everything was fine.
A used non-ref R9 290X for $330 is an amazing price, even as used. With Amazon's awesome return policy I have one month to put this card through torture to make sure it's stable. I also think the Gigabyte 3 year warranty goes by serial/manufacture date, but I need to call them for confirmation.
Amazon still has these through Warehouse Deals for $$330.97 and I fully recommend it... for now.
Nickerbocker98
Banned
Extremely sorry! I think I should have read the thread better, I thought this was thing for this thread.
I think it's fine if you say it about yourself, just not as an attack on others. The 'PC Master Race' thing got no-no'd a while back though.I just meant the "console peasant" thing, not the rest
Nickerbocker98
Banned
I just meant the "console peasant" thing, not the rest
Oh, I meant it in jest, of course.
MMBosstones86
Member
The others here know way more, but I think 500W might be pushing it for that card.
It'll be fine, but I'd feel more comfortable with a reputable 550W.
eBay Huckster
Member
So, after months of waiting for news on Maxwell -- official specs, firm release date, anything -- I finally caved and ordered two 780 Ti cards on Sunday night.
Almost threw up when I woke up this morning and saw this at Tom's:
I gathered myself and clicked through to find that their "report" is just a sh*tty forum rumor sourced from a single post. They also mention a recent rumor that the 880 will ship with a 256-bit interface (likely) and 8GB of VRAM (lol).
Yeaaaaaaa. F*ck you, GTX 880...you tardy, almost definitely underwhelming, mid-range bastard. And, jesus, f*ck Tom's Hardware for their egregious mis-use of "Report". SMH.
Sorry but I lold at this post
Yup.
Only thing to keep in mind is that the GB definitely runs a bit louder than the Sapphire. But the GB will be easier to resell due to transferable warranty.
Objectively Bad Opinion
Member
They released some bios updates which correct the loudness a bit. I think. I don't have the card, but I read that somewhere.
If you are aware it is fine. As long as you don't give it max volts and run FURMark and CPU load it at the same time it shouldn't go much past 440W system load, so <400W typical max. (P95 and FURMARK on my 4.5Ghz i7 and OC'd 670 drew <400W)
Would I suggest a 550w or 600B instead? Sure.
Nickerbocker98
Banned
OK, I think I will up the PSU a little bit. Any recommended brands?
maneil99
Member
880 rumors are flying, seems like it will be Q3-Q4, 8gb Vram, 28nm. Likely faster then a 780 Ti for $499~. Don't see it being slower then a 780Ti as there is only a 15% difference between the 780 ->Ti so releasing a new card that's only 10-15% vs last gen would be unprecedented. I'll hold onto my $ for the flagship however.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151121Maybe a little overkill...
Cheap: 600B, CX600
I like: BP550 because I'm an old man and hate change
Others to consider: Modular HIVE units (550W / 650W)
Honestly the Plat unit will probably pay for itself in electricity over it's lifetime so you might as well go with it
Hook me up with your dealer you on are on powerful shit my friend.
adamantypants
Member
Wait for the 880ti it is then, and holy hell at those rumored specs/price. I wonder how much that will be.
InFamousRaiden
Banned
Today I received the Gigabyte R9 290X OC I bought from Amazon Warehouse Deals for $330. The retail box showed up in very good condition, almost like new.
Opened up the box and nothing seems to be missing.
I installed the 290X after removing my Nvidia driver/software and running CClean. It posted with video, and booted into Windows 8.1 on the first try. Installation of the Catalyst Control Center went smoothly, with no video/audio issues after restart.
So far, I've ran through about 20 games on my Steam Library ranging from small indie to demanding AAA. I ran into a small issue with Tomb Raider while switching graphic settings to Ultra. The game black screened and rebooted my desktop. I went back into the game afterwards and played for 10 minutes, and everything was fine.
A used non-ref R9 290X for $330 is an amazing price, even as used. With Amazon's awesome return policy I have one month to put this card through torture to make sure it's stable. I also think the Gigabyte 3 year warranty goes by serial/manufacture date, but I need to call them for confirmation.
Amazon still has these through Warehouse Deals for $$330.97 and I fully recommend it... for now.
I had a faulty r9 290x it would black screen within minutes of heavy investive games Battlefield 4 and The Witcher 2 on Ultra.
If you have another ... test the crap out on Ultra.
Yeah, there's a number of initial 290s and 290x's with Black Screen of Death reports. Could be one of those cards, but if you deal with GB instead of Amazon, they'll send you a fresh new one.
You'll likely be holding out for the 980, which should be the Maxwell equivalent of the 780.
It's Nvidia. They would not release a card with 8GB of VRAM for $500.
jfoul
Member
I know the Tri-X and Vapor-X are pretty quiet. Under heavy load, the GB has been really quiet so far.
maneil99
Member
I don't see it for 699$, maybe they go for $600 but I think the final resting place for the 880 will be $499 after AMD's release. It will defiantly be 8gb though
jfoul
Member
I'm going to pretend I didn't read the rumors today, and just be happy with my recent 290X purchase.
systematic
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This review suggests that the WAN-LAN throughput on your router is 218Mbps - the CPU can't handle anything faster.
I would assume that other services on your router such as QoS, NAT, WiFi and uPNP also use CPU resources and as a result lead to a reduced speed.
You could try disabling as many services as possible on your router and enabling DMZ to see if that's the cause of your issue.
Thursday War
Banned
Looking to get advice on a build I might be getting soon. Also would like to know if i could lower the price of the build without affecting performance.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($54.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: Kingston Fury Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($239.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Thermaltake Commander MS/I Snow Edition (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ Micro Center)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $645.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Your Current Specs: n/a
Budget: 600-650/USA
Main Use: Gaming - 5
Emulation - 2
Video Editing - 1
Streaming games in HD - 1
3D/Model work - 3, a little photoshop here and there
General Usage - 5
Monitor Resolution: What resolution will you be playing your games at? 1080p or higher preferably Are you going to upgrade later? Maybe Are you buying a new monitor? Maybe
List SPECIFIC games or applications that you MUST be able to run well: Battlefield 4, GTA V, some other games must run at 60+ fps
When will you build?: Not sure. Sometime this or next month, no deadline.
Will you be overclocking?: No.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD FX-6300 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus M5A78L-M/USB3 Micro ATX AM3+ Motherboard ($54.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: Kingston Fury Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($239.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Thermaltake Commander MS/I Snow Edition (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($34.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($64.99 @ Micro Center)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NSB0 DVD/CD Writer ($15.98 @ OutletPC)
Total: $645.90
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Your Current Specs: n/a
Budget: 600-650/USA
Main Use: Gaming - 5
Emulation - 2
Video Editing - 1
Streaming games in HD - 1
3D/Model work - 3, a little photoshop here and there
General Usage - 5
Monitor Resolution: What resolution will you be playing your games at? 1080p or higher preferably Are you going to upgrade later? Maybe Are you buying a new monitor? Maybe
List SPECIFIC games or applications that you MUST be able to run well: Battlefield 4, GTA V, some other games must run at 60+ fps
When will you build?: Not sure. Sometime this or next month, no deadline.
Will you be overclocking?: No.
Excuse me for this second try, but is no one willing to take a minute to help me understand how I should set up my power saving options in order to have the PC always on, not at full capacity but still able to stream ?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=116971712&postcount=983
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=116971712&postcount=983
Useful stuff! Thanks very much indeed.
Idle wattage is very low on PCs (11W on GPU) and by default your CPU will downclock and undervolt.
If you mean extra stuff like HDDs spin down after 20 minutes (in power options), or actual sleep mode and wake on LAN / PXE then I dunno.
AMD isn't a good option for gaming.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i3-4130 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor ($112.50 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Biostar Hi-Fi B85S3+ Ver. 6.x Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($64.00 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston Fury Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB DirectCU II Video Card ($216.60 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($44.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec Basiq Plus 550W 80+ Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($67.98 @ Best Buy)
Total: $631.03
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-17 16:26 EDT-0400
and if you'd consider overclocking
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($74.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 76.8 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($19.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($94.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Kingston Fury Red Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($69.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($54.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 760 2GB DirectCU II Video Card ($216.60 @ Newegg)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($44.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Rosewill Hive 650W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $646.51
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-06-17 16:24 EDT-0400
and you could upgrade down the line to an i5 or i7 and have the OCing option with your Z97 board with this. The Pentium will outperform AMD stuff in a lot of CPU heavy games, especially when OC'd.
Well, I'm not really tech savvy. Consequently I have used my PC "traditionally" for many years. Need it ? Turn it on. Don't need it anymore ? Shut down. Then for many years I have not bothered to shut it down every time it wasn't needed. This little speech to tell you how much power management is an alien setting to me.
But times change and now that I have a tablet I could see me streaming to it in bed.
Then at the same time, the PC is turned on long enough as it is, I would like to know what power management settings I should adopt in order for it to be usable in the middle of the night without being on full power.
I have read about away mode, but then again, I don't know what I'm doing.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2613...nter_pcs_power_management_with_away_mode.html
I'd actually avoid the Pentium given the penchant for GTA V and BF4. Though we don't have any numbers with it OC'd in BF4, how its predecessor fared would have me worried a bit. The i3 with a 4690K or 4790K down the line would probably be a better bet.
Match in a Z97 board instead then from the Pentium build for that?
The thing to keep in mind about the 4690K and 4790K is that even if you don't OC, you're running at 4.2 GHz. I don't think it's the necessary upgrade that it has been in the past, given the relatively low clock speeds of the previous K chips.
Not with the 4690K you're not, it turbos to 3.9.
Tom's hardware just released this review for the G3258, does this alleviate some of the fears people had about it ?
I'm looking to upgrade from my ASUS HD 7870 2GB to a SAPPHIRE R9 290 4GB OC. However, I noticed that SAPPHIRE recommends that you have a 750 watt PSU to run the card safely. Mine is only 630 watts. Would this work or should I definitely upgrade? Details: I have 8 GB of RAM and an FX 8320 CPU.
The card in question: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202103&cm_re=r9_290-_-14-202-103-_-Product
The card in question: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202103&cm_re=r9_290-_-14-202-103-_-Product
Objectively Bad Opinion
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Richard Huddy ripping Nvidia a new one on PCPer stream
God damn, this is hilarious, he's dared Nvidia to release devs off NDA with a press release/blog post to prove they don't have them on NDA telling them not to work with AMD
Thursday War
Banned
oh wow. that's awesome.
$600. Consider it the Nvidia tax.
Also Mkenyon despises Tom Hardware SP referencing them won't help. Just saying!
If you are not happy and have money sure why not..
Wait for Maxwell 20nm IMO
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