Not really. MP results are drastically different. They're also really hard to get solid benches for, which is why they're avoided for the most part.
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"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 2. Read OP, your 2500K will run Witcher 3. MX100s! 970!
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Can anyone explain to me the major differences between the standard Titan Black and the EVGA versions? EVGA has several versions that are slightly more expensive. One is called "super clocked" and the other is "HydroCopper". I am assuming both of these are overclocked some what but are there any other differences.
Are the performance gains of these versions significant over the stock nvidia cards?
Are the performance gains of these versions significant over the stock nvidia cards?
6GB EVGA GTX Titan Black, 28nm, PCIe 3.0, 7000MHz GDDR5, GPU 941MHz, Boost 980MHz, Cores 2880, DPort/DVI/HDMI
6GB EVGA GTX Titan Black SC, 28nm, PCIe 3.0, 7000MHz GDDR5, GPU 967MHz, Boost 1072MHz, Cores 2880, DPort/DVI/HDMI
6GB EVGA GTX Titan Black Hydro Copper, 7000MHz GDDR5, GPU 1006MHz, Boost 1111MHz, Cores 2880, DP/DVI/HDMI
Hydro Copper requires a custom watercooling loop to plumb into:
Haha I felt so beaten 
Maybe also worth mentioning to anyone considering a Titan Black that Gigabyte have a version which comes with a new 600W version of their windforce cooler for you to fit to the card.
This has the same 1006MHz core, 1111MHz Boost clocks as the Hydro Copper but on air cooling.
Maybe also worth mentioning to anyone considering a Titan Black that Gigabyte have a version which comes with a new 600W version of their windforce cooler for you to fit to the card.
This has the same 1006MHz core, 1111MHz Boost clocks as the Hydro Copper but on air cooling.
You want this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=745783
jfoul
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Can you clarify what you're trying to achieve? When you're using it in the middle of the night, do you want the PC to be using less than full power, or do you mean it's in a low-power state until you need it?
If it's the latter, you should probably look at wake-on-lan. There are free apps for Android or iOS that can wake your PC from a low-power sleep state. You can configure your PC to sleep after a period of your choice through control panel power settings.
Thanks for the explanation guys. Was helpful. I am planning on water cooling so I may go for the Hydro Copper. It is an extra $400 though so not sure if it's worth it.
Why? I am set on nvidia I think because I am planning on getting the recently announced Acer 4K G-Sync monitor. My current plan is to go with 4x SLI Titan Blacks.
Along with i7 4790k 4.0GHz (Devils Canyon) + ASUS MAXIMUS VI EXTREME (Intel Z87 Chipset) for the motherboard. (Chose this because it is compatible with Devil's Canyon and supports 4x SLI).
Why? I am set on nvidia I think because I am planning on getting the recently announced Acer 4K G-Sync monitor. My current plan is to go with 4x SLI Titan Blacks.
Along with i7 4790k 4.0GHz (Devils Canyon) + ASUS MAXIMUS VI EXTREME (Intel Z87 Chipset) for the motherboard. (Chose this because it is compatible with Devil's Canyon and supports 4x SLI).
That Wont Fit In There
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With some help and research of my own, I've come up with this. Are there any parts I should switch out for anything better? I want to make sure I get the perfect list for streaming and playing games with the least problems possible.
http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/
I was also recommended the Processor + Motherboard Combo: i7 4870k + Sabertooth X79 Socket 2011 X79 ATX. (not included in my partpicker list)
My budget is around $1400.00 by the way if that helps for any parts that need to be exchanged with another.
http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/
I was also recommended the Processor + Motherboard Combo: i7 4870k + Sabertooth X79 Socket 2011 X79 ATX. (not included in my partpicker list)
My budget is around $1400.00 by the way if that helps for any parts that need to be exchanged with another.
This is the most overkill thing possible, it's beautiful. If I'm not mistaken you'll want an enthusiast motherboard and CPU because of the PCI-E lane restrictions?
I'm no expert on water cooling, but you're probably going to want a custom waterblock to deal with 4 cards close together like that, the hydro copper would physically not fit?
Something like this:
Because you are paying $450 per card for a 1-5% boost in performance:
Review here: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_geforce_gtx_780_strix_6_gb_graphics_card_review,18.html
Also, you'll probably want to stick to 3 way SLI. 4 way is horribly unoptimized and buggy as shit. It works out okay for benchmarking, but is really terrible for gaming.
To save a bit on the motherboard, check out the ASUS Z97-WS. Alternatively, you could look at just about any X79 motherboard and go with a 4820K. Socket 2011, as far as gaming goes, is pretty much designed for your purposes. It has 42 PCI-E lanes, whereas the consumer socket (1155/1150) only has 16 PCI-E lanes. The motherboards like the ASUS-WS or MVII Extreme use PLX chips to multiply PCI-E lanes. While it gets the job done, it does introduce a smidgen bit of latency that you can avoid by going X79.
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And as per above, if sound is an issue to you, I definitely would suggest looking at the possibility of watercooling that setup. You'll go from a fairly noisy machine to something that is as quiet as a single GPU PC at idle.
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I also don't want you to think I'm naysaying what's going on. I very much approve of overkill PCs. Just want to make sure you are aware of your options out there before diving in on a $5000+ PC.
Sorry smokey, we have to strip your name off the build list now =(
Yeah stubo is right, 4 cards put out a LOT of heat, you can do 4 blowers if you have some external ventilation to push it away from the back of the computer but it will be loud...
Good value? No
Better performance? Probably not
Ridiculously badass? In my view, yes. But only after water and aesthetics are properly done.
EDIT: *thumbs up* for mkenyon's edit 2
EDIT2: Also my PC was $5000+ and thats only with 2 measly 680s. This is like a $10000+ machine if you add water and cable mods.
Next year is going to be fun. I'm planning an epic build for next summer too
]This is the most overkill thing possible, it's beautiful[/B]. If I'm not mistaken you'll want an enthusiast motherboard and CPU because of the PCI-E lane restrictions?
I'm no expert on water cooling, but you're probably going to want a custom waterblock to deal with 4 cards close together like that, the hydro copper would physically not fit?
Something like this:
Overkill is the point here
I want to build the ultimate 4k gaming rig. Perhaps I will just go for the superclocked version then if I decide to go with the Titan Black.I wasn't aware of this. Anymore info available? Will 3-way actually perform better than 4 cards or are you saying that the gains just aren't worth it?
If you are going to do this you need to go with a 2011 board and a 4820k, 4930k, or 4960x. The 2011 platform offers more PCIe lanes and is geared towards setups like these. 4820 is quad core. The other two are 6 core, with the 4960x being $1,000. Only thing different between it and the 4930k is the amount of cache available.
I built a similar rig last weekend. I have a 4k monitor as well so if you have questions about anything feel free to ask.
I would suggest doing just 3 cards, but if you want to do 4 rumble young man rumble! Quad SLI is really not optimized for gaming. Looks good though!
I did some gaming yesterday and got the following:
Smokey said:
Keep in mind that some game engines are not optimized for 2+ SLI. You're getting into a really enthusiast area where game developers know most players will not be at. This is why I said you probably don't want to do Quad-SLI. It's even worse. Metro Last Light for example is terrible with it. When scaling works properly and uses all 3 cards though..it works and is beautiful.
Just to drive home the sheer difference of the physical constraints under which game consoles and PCs operate:
Performance PC case optimized for low noise, no components installed 11.3 kg
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A complete Playstation 4 system 2.8 kg
--- versus ---
High end air cooler 1.3 kg (hunk of metal and fans for the sole purpose of quietly cooling the PC CPU)
Unless you're OK with putting water blocks on the GPUs yourself (it's not difficult, but not for everyone), the hydrocopper is your only choice I think.
I believe mkenyon is suggesting 6GB 780s are better value as the Titan is a halo product and you're basically paying for double-precision capability which is useless for games. I don't want to speak for him though.
zeroeffect
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I thought Devil's Canyon CPUs would feature 6-8 cores?
Yeah there may be miscommunication on my part due to my ignorance about the subject matter.
I just think streaming in bed would be cool and don't want my electricity bill to augment too much. I have no preference about which method to use. I was thinking about a PC in low power state which could begin streaming anytime (is that even possible ?). Now the wake-on-lan thing, does it mean that I will be able to turn on and shut down the PC from an external peripheral ? That would be cool too.
That's maybe why I'm unclear, I know what I want to achieve (insomnia ? stream on !), but I absolutely don't know how to achieve it.
780 6GB has been out of stock for awhile. There's rumors it may not be a thing for much longer. But if they are available that is certainly a very attractive and much cheaper option.
No. That's Haswell-E.
Yeah, it often performs worse than 3-Way.
There's going to be times that it does work, but it's far less frequent than when it doesn't. It's pretty much the domain of benchmarking folks, not for gaming.
Exactly.
As Smokey points out though, they're a tad difficult to get your hands on right now. MSI and ASUS both recently released some, should be showing up soon.
Himynameischris
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So I almost have all of my PC parts and I just noticed I didn't get a heat sink unless the CPU comes with it since I haven't ordered it yet, in any case would I have to buy one and if so are they universal? Anything I should keep an eye out for?
Edit: Nm quick google search answered my question.
Edit: Nm quick google search answered my question.
Ok so I guess I will revise my build for 3 cards instead if the 4th is really not worth it. Still, you don't think I should use the 4790k? Is that just because the available motherboards that are compatible with it are not good for this kind of build?
I see. I currently have a GTX 690 and have run into some games that don't even scale to two GPUs, let alone four. So in the cases where 2+ SLI is not truly supported do you just switch it to only utilize the first two? Is this simple to do, perhaps in nvidia control panel?
Also, what 4k monitor are you currently using? Are you happy with it? I'm planning on waiting for the Acer 4K G-sync model to come out but I'm still curious about what else is available.
The 2011 platform has more PCIe lanes available to use for GPUs. It is aimed at those who plan to have 2+ GPUs. The Z97 boards get around this by including a PLX chip which gives more lanes, but introduces a little bit of lag. For the type of machine you are wanting to build you probably want to go with 2011. Or wait until Haswell-E but who knows when that is coming. You can't go from 3 -> 2 way SLI in NVCP. At least not from what I can see. You can only go from whatever SLI config you have back to 1 card.
I currently have this Samsung 28'' 4k monitor. It gets the job done. The build quality isn't the best, and the stand is non adjustable. There are and will be better solutions such as this Asus 28'' 4k monitor.
So the PCI-E lanes are what transfer data between the CPU and GPUs. The PCI-E controller is physically on the processor.
Socket 1150/1155 stuff only has 16 PCI-E lanes on the processor. The socket 2011 stuff has 42 PCI-E lanes on the processor.
How the motherboards like the Maximus Extreme overcome this obstacle is by using PLX chips, which basically switches on and off certain PCI-E lanes, while buffering the data. This buffer creates a bit of input latency. That will not be an issue on an X79 motherboard with a socket 2011 chip, as you already have 42 to work with.
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More beat than Houston sports.
smh
negative sports juju gon get ya. this is why you can't have nice things like a NBA team. PEDhawks gonna suffer for your sins too
More detail needed. What are you streaming in this scenario? If it's just audio/video files, then yes it's possible and pretty simple.
You wouldn't use wake-on-lan to shutdown the PC, you'd configure the Windows power profile to set the PC to sleep after x minutes/hours of inactivity. Wake-on-lan could be used to turn it on when needed. Wake-on-lan will need to be supported by your PC's network adapter in order to use this method.
maneil99
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use this
http://www.guru3d.com/files_details/display_driver_uninstaller_download.html
Select amd/ati and uninstall, it will boot you into safe mode, wipe out the old drivers and delete to registries
Thanks, good explanation. So using your example of Metro LL, with the 3 card SLI set up you posted, you would just have to deal with the awful performance for those games as a result of using 3 cards instead of just 2?
Richard Huddy ripping Nvidia a new one on PCPer stream
God damn, this is hilarious, he's dared Nvidia to release devs off NDA with a press release/blog post to prove they don't have them on NDA telling them not to work with AMD
Yeah Huddy went ham on that livestream lol!
Good on him, need more transparency on both sides.
No, you can control all of that through the NVIDIA control panel. (Am I crazy here Smokey? I thought I remember that, but the last time I messed around with 3-Way was over a year ago with 670s). Or get a motherboard that lets you turn on and off specific PCI-E slots, like the Rampage IV Extreme Black.
It's not impossible to drop to 2 GPUs. There are a couple of methods I can think of.
1. Disable the 3rd GPU in Windows Device Manager before launching said game.
2. Use Nvidia Inspector to create a profile for the game that forces SLI max GPU count to 2.
I don't know if 2. is possible because I've not tried it myself.
Is there any generally recommended cases?
Gonna be getting a new one next week and so far this:
is the top of my list. Doesn't come with a slot for a disc drive, but, I almost never use mine.
The Razer's version of this looks amazing
The OP has a huge section of recommended cases.Is there any generally recommended cases?
Gonna be getting a new one next week and so far this:
is the top of my list. Doesn't come with a slot for a disc drive, but, I almost never use mine.
The Phanteks Enthoo Pro just came out, and is a bit better than the H440, for less money.
Damn, I thought it was possible to change that in the NVIDIA control panel.
FWIW, in my 6ish months of 3x670s, I don't remember ever having to disable just one of the cards. It was either all three or none, if the game had issues with SLI in general, then I'd just turn it off.
As much as I don't want to, I love that specific color of green. The Razer logo makes it kinda ehhhhhhhh though. It's like proclaiming that your case is going to fall apart in 1-3 years.
Pickles Spill
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This is kind of a strange question, but does anyone know of any full tower cases that come in purple? And if that's not an option, is there someone that can custom paint them?
Budget?
Confusion Illusion
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I think I'm at the end of the line as far as upgrades go. I don't know what else I can do/add to this systemeverything on the list has been checked lol.
Pickles Spill
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I'm very flexible on that. Right now I'm digging for pretty much anything.
Outside of the Rampage IV BE where you can switch the individual lanes off and on, riflen's options are the only ways I can think to go from 3 to 2. I don't see anything in NVCP that'll let you do it.
Gumbie
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I've been looking around the past couple of weeks and the Zotac 780 6gb seem easier to find than the other brands. I have no experience with Zotac and don't know anything about them...so maybe there's a reason they're easier to find.
You can custom order a case from CaseLabs or Little Devil to be powdercoated in your specific color.
Otherwise, you could get a case of your choice, and you'd want to probably get something all aluminum like Lian Li, and have that powdercoated at either a local shop or through an online service like FrozenCPU.
I went through this process with a friend of mine. He ordered the Caselabs SM8 in primer gray. His specific color combo required that the base coat be stripped entirely first. But, the primer gray can have another layer put over it if you don't want a fancy two-tone case.
Before:
After:
We just worked with a local powdercoating service. Check out possible colors at: http://www.prismaticpowders.com/
Abee cases does have a mATX case that is available in Purple, but that's not a full tower.
Also some inspiration for you, Snef's Purple Chimera:
Keep in mind, you're looking at $600ish for everything said and done
The cheapest way (outside of plastidip or spray paint) would be to get a full tower Lian Li and have that done locally. Would probably set you back $400 altogether.
Not really. I mean, the space is tighter, and cable management will definitely be more difficult. You will also need to be careful on ordering specific parts to make sure everything fits. If you follow the guide in the third post, the stuff for the Prodigy should carry over pretty well.
As much as I don't want to, I love that specific color of green. The Razer logo makes it kinda ehhhhhhhh though. It's like proclaiming that your case is going to fall apart in 1-3 years.
you wound me... =/
Yup, I would simply like to stream audio / video files.
That is nice. I don't know if I like the Razer logos though. It does make buying the black version a definite option though.
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