I recently went up to 344.11 since I thought the crashing was due to my older drivers. I used MSI Afterburner* and bumped down core clock and memory clock by -100 and just finished playing Shadow of Mordor for 4 hours without a single crash. Plus playing Archeage earlier I didn't have any crashes. So I'm guessing that fixed it for now.
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"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 2. Read OP, your 2500K will run Witcher 3. MX100s! 970!
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I recently went up to 344.11 since I thought the crashing was due to my older drivers. I used MSI Afterburner* and bumped down core clock and memory clock by -100 and just finished playing Shadow of Mordor for 4 hours without a single crash. Plus playing Archeage earlier I didn't have any crashes. So I'm guessing that fixed it for now.
No it doesn't decrease the long term reliability. What it risks is a motherboard turning into a brick when the bios flash fails due to Wibdows crapping out. Always flash the bios outside of windows.
What instructions did you follow? I read the Tweaktown thing where it had several steps of booting in default values to make super sure nothing goes wrong.
Anyone else trying to OC a 4670k?
I think I've got a crap chip as the best I can do is 4.4ghz at 1.30 volts. Luckily I now have excellent cooling and temps sit in the 65-70 centigrade range.
I'm thinking about trying to get to 4.5ghz but I guess that will require going up to 1.32 volts or so and that seems to be the point where most people feel it's dangerous.
I think I've got a crap chip as the best I can do is 4.4ghz at 1.30 volts. Luckily I now have excellent cooling and temps sit in the 65-70 centigrade range.
I'm thinking about trying to get to 4.5ghz but I guess that will require going up to 1.32 volts or so and that seems to be the point where most people feel it's dangerous.
All I did was download the most recent drivers, copied a file (can't remember the file type only that it was the largest file, someone more knowledgeable than me will probably know) to a formatted usb drive, rebooted with the drive plugged in, pressed the "end" key upon start-up and it took me directly to the update part.
I think there's even a really basic youtube video, that explains all that (don't have the link as I'm on mobile)
What's low profile RAM, and how does it benefit? Thanks
neurosisxeno
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He means RAM with lower profile heat spreaders. Heat spreaders do next to nothing for RAM, other than add looks. With the placement of RAM slots on most modern mobos if you have any larger than stock heatsink attached it's going to rest on the goofy ass heat spreaders and short your entire motherboard and CPU.
4.4 is still good. The gains beyond that aren't massive.
Low profile RAM goes well with some after market CPU air coolers, because the RAM slots are always close to the CPU socket and large/wide coolers can obscure and make it a pain to install and remove RAM, and may actually prevent the use of some RAM sticks if they have oversized heatspreaders that won't fit under wide CPU air coolers.
My understanding is that RAM heatspreaders/heatsinks are largely pointless unless you're overclocking the memory, it's mostly for aesthetics.
Aretak
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I'd just get a 970, personally. SLI and Crossfire are more trouble than they're worth. You shouldn't have any problem selling your 770 either. I put a 280X up for £150 BIN last week and it sold within an hour, and 770s usually command more of a premium than those.
brain_stew
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Don't SLI 2GB cards and certainly don't buy a 780 Ti. The 970 is a better card and is cheaper new than the 780 Ti is second hand.
So what would be an example of low profile RAM? These are my options:
8-64GB Crucial DDR4 2133Mhz 1x8GB 2x8GB 3x8GB 4x8GB
4-32GB Kingston Hyper-X Predator Quad-DDR4 2400Mhz X.M.P 1x4GB 2x4GB 4x4GB 8x4GB
And then repeated just with 2666Mhz X.M.P and 3000Mhz X.M.P
They're my only options, which is the best to go for with my setup?
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LeGourmand
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I put my EVGA 770 on sale last night, at an higher price than I tough I could get and I already have an interested buyer...
I haven't even check what 970 I want to upgrade to, any model that are better then others?
I haven't even check what 970 I want to upgrade to, any model that are better then others?
My 970 is kinda loud.
The fans are only set to 28% too!
Do you see any problems with this guys? I've used Zotac's own overclocking program (but not set any clocks) and it also says the Die Size is unkown.
Just a little worried, I've sent an e-mail to Zotac to RMA the card due to coil whine but this is something new to me.
Edit: 1371 RPM!?? Christ.
The fans are only set to 28% too!
Do you see any problems with this guys? I've used Zotac's own overclocking program (but not set any clocks) and it also says the Die Size is unkown.
Just a little worried, I've sent an e-mail to Zotac to RMA the card due to coil whine but this is something new to me.
Edit: 1371 RPM!?? Christ.
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ZombieFred
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Hey guys is it worth getting a PCI 3.0 Motherboard and the latest CPU now or wait a little longer if I want to do a new PC build? My aim is to have my 2xGTX970s to be enough for 1080p gaming to last the next 5-6 years at ultra 60 fps.
Felix Lighter
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I may have identified the true culprit of my BSODs after waking up from sleep. Fingers crossed but it appears to be a piece of software that came with the motherboard that made it easy to reboot the machine into the bios when fast boot was enabled. I'm back to an offset voltage. It's seems good so far.
I also disabled fast boot. It was disappointing on this MB anyway. I built 3 machines over the last year before this one. 2 Ivybridge and 1 Haswell and they all boot within 10 seconds but this PC takes closer to 20 seconds with Fast Boot enabled. I have a feeling the it DDR4 related because there is an option to put the memory itself in a fast boot mode, which I tried but it caused the machine to crash while loading windows. 20 seconds in a practical sense, is more than fast enough but I've seen quite a bit better on lesser drives.
My Gigabyte GTX 970 fans are reportedly running at over 1500 rpm right now at idle. Temps are 21C and 25C. Case fans are far louder than the cards though.
I also disabled fast boot. It was disappointing on this MB anyway. I built 3 machines over the last year before this one. 2 Ivybridge and 1 Haswell and they all boot within 10 seconds but this PC takes closer to 20 seconds with Fast Boot enabled. I have a feeling the it DDR4 related because there is an option to put the memory itself in a fast boot mode, which I tried but it caused the machine to crash while loading windows. 20 seconds in a practical sense, is more than fast enough but I've seen quite a bit better on lesser drives.
My Gigabyte GTX 970 fans are reportedly running at over 1500 rpm right now at idle. Temps are 21C and 25C. Case fans are far louder than the cards though.
Understandable and I do use an FT02 which has three 180mm fans however I can hear the GPU's fans 'pulsing', as in they seem to get faster and then slower for next to no reason at all.
Frustrating really, this card is fantastic but I've had problems with my PC since I put it in my case.
A big example is when I turn my subwoofer off it makes one of my monitors flicker.
... I don't even.
Edit: The subwoofer could be dodgy wiring in my house... And the fans could be a driver issue, but I think I'm going to RMA it anyway just so they can be sure it's me being paranoid.
can you just post a link to the store you're using? the Crucial sounds right but it'd be nice to see it.
edit: oh, and for monitors: the ASUS VG248QE is a nice 144Hz monitor but it's 24". you'll have a hard time finding any premium/enthusiast monitors smaller than that i'm afraid. the Bravia will be great though, so if you don't want a dedicated monitor that's understandable.
brain_stew
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I never said it benchmarked higher, I said it's a better card and it absolutely is.
The extra 1GB VRAM is worth more in the long term than a couple extra FPS here and now.
Better DX12 support and a far lower power draw round out the package. It's simply a better product.
The 290x occasionally beats out the 970 as well but even at £50 less it still looks like a crappy buy. There's more to choosing a GPU than a simple FPS vs. price comparison.
dang, is the 290X really selling for cheaper? everywhere i've looked it's still way more, but I'm in the US.
DylanTackoor
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Don't get the PNY one whatever you do. Hear the Gigabyte 970 is the best if you aren't looking for a blower style fan.
It doesn't seem like the extra vram matters too much when looking at the benchmarks.
Guess this is news to you but all Nvidia DX11 cards will support DX12.
brain_stew
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No, but my point is even if it was ~$50 cheaper than the 970 it still wouldn't come recommended despite beating it in select benchmarks.
Outdoor Miner
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http://www.ncixus.com/products/inde...R929WF3-4GD&manufacture=Gigabyte&promoid=1413
R9 290 WIndforce w/ the 3 games bundle for $269 shipped. God damn that is tempting.
R9 290 WIndforce w/ the 3 games bundle for $269 shipped. God damn that is tempting.
brain_stew
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Extra VRAM only matters when a game uses it but we already have examples of this and they're only going to increase. Having enough VRAM is a cut and dry thing, if you're short then you'll get intolerable stuttering. You either have enough or you don't and if you want decent longevity from your GPU then you better make sure you have at least 4GB VRAM.
All DX12 support isn't created equal. Kepler cards don't even officially support full feature level 11.1 yet Maxwell has full feature level 11.3 support at a minimum.
oh, i gotcha. for the record, i agree with what you're saying, but given my budget, if i could get a 780/Ti or 290/X for less than three hundred, i'd do it. big step up from my 750 Ti regardless and i'm likely to stick with my PS4 for most new releases for awhile still.
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well, shit.
So I was playing Europa Universalis 4 last night and again this morning, and noticed it seemed to be running a bit slower than normal. Then this morning I'm also scrolling through the high res PC screenshot thread, and the page is hitching a bit as I scroll. And I'm thinking "jeez, I know they're high res but I thought my computer could scroll through them!" I end up checking what programs are running. Turns out I'd left Prime95 running for almost 24 hours. Woops.
tl;dr version: the 4790k is a beastly chip and EU4 is playable with Prime95 running in the background.
tl;dr version: the 4790k is a beastly chip and EU4 is playable with Prime95 running in the background.
I see, problem is that they're not an option for me on the build I've made on that site, I can either get the 6 quad-core as recommended or change it to a 4 core and possibly these will be presented to me as an option, but if I stick with my current build is there a problem with it, it will kill the system faster?
Sure, it's this one https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/custom-computers-and-laptops/, thanks for the recommendation!
Question about G-sync monitors.
I'm very interested in getting one, problem is that I'm not sure I want to make the lead into higher then 120 FPS. Seems like you would need a ton of horsepower regardless of resolution. Are the benefits of these monitors still fairly good at 60 FPS?
I'm very interested in getting one, problem is that I'm not sure I want to make the lead into higher then 120 FPS. Seems like you would need a ton of horsepower regardless of resolution. Are the benefits of these monitors still fairly good at 60 FPS?
Prophet Steve
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Wait I don't get it. So you are planning on one that supports higher than 60hz?
You can sit somewhere between 60 FPS and 120 FPS with GSync, that is the great part.
Even with a 120/144hz monitor, you don't need to keep that high framerate for it to be a better experience than a 60hz monitor (and even less so with G-Sync, which is part of the point of it). As long as you keep ~90FPS or more (easier than you might think, especially with non-AAA games), you'll be fine.
zeroeffect
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Will we be seeing any 900 series GPUs with 6GB VRAM anytime soon?
No, because they have a 256-bit memory bus. The next step up would be 8GB VRAM.
Hm... Might have to rethink the whole thing. It's not that my setups can't keep high FPS like that. I just don't really want them to. Noise and temps are really important to me.
Well, I should clarify a bit. With G-Sync, you really don't even need to hit FPS that high. Even 40+ is probably fine with G-Sync (I don't use it so i can't really say for sure). Honestly though, I wouldn't worry about noise and temps as long as you build right. Just avoid noisy fans and you'll be fine.
zeroeffect
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It's making me a bit nervous because most games are starting to have insane recommended specs. It seems like in just a year the recommended specs have seen a massive jump...more than usual. Evil Within recommends all that 4GB VRAM, SoM needs 6GB VRAM with the HD pack on ultra at 1080p and Dead Rising 3 can't even run at 1080p well on anything. Not sure if it's poor optimizations for these games or GPUs are not making a big enough jump they're expected. If I'm dropping 2k on a PC then I should be able to run almost any game at 1080p ultra at 60fps for at least 2 years.
Jimnymebob
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I'm completely useless when it comes to computer/Windows related technical jargon, so excuse me if I miss out any relevant info, but my Mum has a really basic Vista PC, and we're wondering if there's any way to upgrade it to make it better for gaming.
It's a Zoostorm 45CMX VB Series M2, with:
Processor: Intel Celeron CPU E1400 @ 2.00GHz 2.00GHz
Memory (RAM): 2.00GB
System type: 32-bit
I'm also pretty sure it doesn't have a graphics card built in.
It can run some things alright, like Max Payne, the original Splinter Cell, although Pandora Tomorrow only loads the intro and Chaos Theory doesn't even come on, and Far Cry, but a lot of games run at an unplayable frame rate if they even run at all; Enter the Matrix, Deus Ex Invisible War, and S.T.A.L.K.E.R Shadow of Chernobyl being three examples off the top of my head. She doesn't want high specs at all, i.e. she's perfectly happy to play things with all the settings at minimum and at 30FPS if it means her games will actually play, and we don't want to spend a lot on it (under £100 definitely). She'll also probably be playing more older games for the most part, so stuff from say 2001-2007, although newer ones are a possibility.
So, as I said, I apologise if this is the wrong place for this, or if I've missed out any important info, but if anyone has any suggestions then it'd be much appreciated.
It's a Zoostorm 45CMX VB Series M2, with:
Processor: Intel Celeron CPU E1400 @ 2.00GHz 2.00GHz
Memory (RAM): 2.00GB
System type: 32-bit
I'm also pretty sure it doesn't have a graphics card built in.
It can run some things alright, like Max Payne, the original Splinter Cell, although Pandora Tomorrow only loads the intro and Chaos Theory doesn't even come on, and Far Cry, but a lot of games run at an unplayable frame rate if they even run at all; Enter the Matrix, Deus Ex Invisible War, and S.T.A.L.K.E.R Shadow of Chernobyl being three examples off the top of my head. She doesn't want high specs at all, i.e. she's perfectly happy to play things with all the settings at minimum and at 30FPS if it means her games will actually play, and we don't want to spend a lot on it (under £100 definitely). She'll also probably be playing more older games for the most part, so stuff from say 2001-2007, although newer ones are a possibility.
So, as I said, I apologise if this is the wrong place for this, or if I've missed out any important info, but if anyone has any suggestions then it'd be much appreciated.
G-Sync is not about high fps. Its greatest benefits are to be had when the game's frame rate fluctuates between 40 and 90fps, in my opinion.
If you have the horsepower to run a game at 120fps, you should probably use ULMB mode and Vsync instead of G-Sync mode.
xBladeM6x
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I've got a nice, and stable overclock on my 980, however I feel as though I could do better if I fucked about with the voltage, however I have never done it before. Any advice when it comes to voltage adjustments?
Here's my current overclock. (Max Boost Clock 1452 which it defaults to when the boost clocks kicks in anyways)
Here's my current overclock. (Max Boost Clock 1452 which it defaults to when the boost clocks kicks in anyways)
brain_stew
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The whole point of Gsync is so that frame rates between ~35-120fps all feel smooth, in fact the biggest benefit of Gsync comes between 40-60fps. A Gsync monitor means that a lower end GPU is required for a smooth experience, not the other way around.
There's nothing stopping you from capping the frame rate in your games either and with Gsync it will feel smooth with any arbitrary cap above 30fps.
brain_stew
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If you can wait a few weeks then it's probably worth seeing what the GTX 960 has to offer.
I find it hard to recommend any GPU with 2GB of VRAM at this point though.
Prophet Steve
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You won't be able to. You'll need to live with the fact that there are developers who will optimize their games like shit. Will include features that are optimized like shit. Or that they will include features for very high end PCs.
The trick is to realize you don't need to max every game. Shadows of Mordor runs good except for the ultra texture. Evil Within will likely also run perfectly fine, even on PCs with less than 4GB VRAM, just not an "optimal experience" (so not everything ultra I guess).
The higher demand of VRAM is because the consoles now offer much more VRAM, more than many graphics cards. The rest of the specs haven't gone up all that much.
Would a 2 fan CM 212 EVO be alright for an i7 4790K or would it require something more since it already has a boost clock of 4.4GHz? Or should I just go for the i5 4690K instead (don't plan on doing any rendering or anything)?
If anyone here owns an Eizo Foris FG2421 120Hz monitor I'd appreciate some semi-detailed impressions if you have the time. I've got a day until this ebay auction on it ends and I'd like to get as much information as I can.
If anyone here owns an Eizo Foris FG2421 120Hz monitor I'd appreciate some semi-detailed impressions if you have the time. I've got a day until this ebay auction on it ends and I'd like to get as much information as I can.
xBladeM6x
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I wish most people realized this. Also, how much VRAM is in something like the PS4?
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