Probably none. Frys has had some in the past, but not that were playing games at 120 FPS on them.
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"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 2. Read OP, your 2500K will run Witcher 3. MX100s! 970!
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Chance Hale
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Not going competitive (you mean MOBAs right?). Variety of mostly single-player experiences. Right now I'm just getting into PC gaming on a serious level, have some older stuff on my Steam (UT3, Serious Sam 3, Titan Quest, Torchlight, Just Cause 2, X3 series).
When looking at my console stuff right now: Mass Effect Trilogy, Final Fantasy, Skyrim, Dragon's Dogma. Going to get Kingdoms of Amalur, Watch_Dogs (free with the GPU as far as I know) and the Witcher series when the build comes in.
I just want a generally better experience than console gaming, mostly single-player stuff, not a lot of indies. I want things to run at 1200p, 60 FPS without being limited by console hardware/software choices.
AdawgDaFAB
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Any tips you'd recommend for someone who hasn't flipped PC parts before? A friend is looking to sell his card he got last year ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202025 ) and upgrade now, but neither of us have done any online selling and don't know anyone local to sell to.
We figure, if we can flip his GPU annually for an upgrade it would come out to around the same price as waiting 4-5 years before getting a new one and being left with an extra GPU paperweight.
Similar boat as you with my 570gtx. I got a used non-reference 280x of ebay for under $170 shipped. Look into that if you want a upgrade to hold you over a year.
If you're going to wait to have a gaming PC, why not wait to build the rest of it?
The NF-F12 I assume is for the heatsink? Looks good otherwise.
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Oh, also have a look at Powerline Adapters instead of WiFi.
Bummer.Unfortunately I am closer to the deep south
There's definitely a divisive line between people who enjoy super high res monitors that are probably IPS/VA or some other format. Then there's the folks that really enjoy the high refresh rate monitors. The difference seems to come down to either playing lots of competitive games and action games versus RPGs and enjoying super high still image quality to take screenshots of and share on GAF.
Sorry Durante, I can't help it.
The mobile link is broken on desktop, but sell on GAF B/S/T, Hardforum, or Overclock.net. Also, always buy ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte, or EVGA. Those are the only ones where the warranty transfers to new owners, so it's a lot easier to part with them.
The reason why I asked is that the unlocked pentium basically runs Source/UE3/CoD/MMOs as well as the i7 because you can overclock the crap out of it.
The parts you have are pretty good choices. I really push for everyone to get an unlocked i5 at the least because it helps tons with maintaining a good frame rate in general, but it's not a must.
Not much to do here other than get a new videocard honestly. Overclock your 2500K. Get a Crucial MX100. Then pick out a new monitor.
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Thanks for looking into this. I might be a little biased on the overclocking, heaving heard some negative input from my friends. Then again, I should take the time in thinking over a purchase like this - I did when choosing the motherboard as it's not really geared towards gaming yet is exactly what I am (or maybe was, in case of not overclocking) looking for.
I'll let it rest for the night and see what I can change in terms of budget and overclocking, read some articles on the web on the subject. I'll be back sooner than later though since I just want to pull the trigger, but I don't want to be uninformed about my choices.
OK guys, I could really use some guidance here.
I like the idea of building my own PC, but I've never done it before, my attention to detail isn't fantastic with patience-demanding tasks, and I'm intimidated by the many, many things that can go wrong during the build and after. I'm OK with buying a pre-built PC or using a site where you pick your stuff and they build it for you.
That said, I'm looking for a gaming PC to use when my Oculus arrives next month. I'm also intrigued at the idea of using it to pilot a drone with the Oculus, though I do have a 4-year-old laptop that might be able to handle that, so what you recommend doesn't have to be a laptop. I'm in awe of the gorgeous screens in the PC screenshot thread, but I have no idea if playing at such amazing-looking settings is even possible, or if folks just pause, apply magic, and take a screenshot. I'm sure I won't end up playing many games because I don't play tons of games any more, but I like the idea of being able to if I want to.
Your Current Specs: Old-ass laptop. Looking for a new system. Most bang for my buck. Probably a desktop, unless there's a powerful and affordable laptop out there.
Budget: $1,500, United States
Main Use: 5 Gaming, 5 Emulation, 4Video Editing, 2 Streaming games in HD, 1 3D/Model work, 3 General Usage (media playback).
Monitor Resolution: I'll be using a 70-inch, 3D 1080p Sharp TV (it can display 4k content, but isn't 4k). I'd like to have something that can possible handle 4k when I make the plunge in a year or two. If it handle it, maybe something that can be easily upgraded to do so.
List SPECIFIC games or applications that you MUST be able to run well: I'd love to have something that can run games all purty like in the PC screenshots thread. Those Skyrim mods look amazing and I'm guessing people will do some sweet stuff with GTA V. 30fps is fine for me. I don't play FPS much.
Looking to reuse any parts?: I'm happy with my keyboard, mouse, and speakers.
When will you build?: Whenever you tell me to. If I really should wait until whenever because there are awesome new cpu's or graphics cards coming out in the fall, then I will wait.
Will you be overclocking?: I'm scared of overclocking because I don't understand it and it makes me sad when things break. But if you can convince me I should, then I will.
Thanks in advance for the help. I know I sound like a giant n00b/pussy with this post, but that's basically what I am when it comes to gaming computers -- I've always been a console guy.
I like the idea of building my own PC, but I've never done it before, my attention to detail isn't fantastic with patience-demanding tasks, and I'm intimidated by the many, many things that can go wrong during the build and after. I'm OK with buying a pre-built PC or using a site where you pick your stuff and they build it for you.
That said, I'm looking for a gaming PC to use when my Oculus arrives next month. I'm also intrigued at the idea of using it to pilot a drone with the Oculus, though I do have a 4-year-old laptop that might be able to handle that, so what you recommend doesn't have to be a laptop. I'm in awe of the gorgeous screens in the PC screenshot thread, but I have no idea if playing at such amazing-looking settings is even possible, or if folks just pause, apply magic, and take a screenshot. I'm sure I won't end up playing many games because I don't play tons of games any more, but I like the idea of being able to if I want to.
Your Current Specs: Old-ass laptop. Looking for a new system. Most bang for my buck. Probably a desktop, unless there's a powerful and affordable laptop out there.
Budget: $1,500, United States
Main Use: 5 Gaming, 5 Emulation, 4Video Editing, 2 Streaming games in HD, 1 3D/Model work, 3 General Usage (media playback).
Monitor Resolution: I'll be using a 70-inch, 3D 1080p Sharp TV (it can display 4k content, but isn't 4k). I'd like to have something that can possible handle 4k when I make the plunge in a year or two. If it handle it, maybe something that can be easily upgraded to do so.
List SPECIFIC games or applications that you MUST be able to run well: I'd love to have something that can run games all purty like in the PC screenshots thread. Those Skyrim mods look amazing and I'm guessing people will do some sweet stuff with GTA V. 30fps is fine for me. I don't play FPS much.
Looking to reuse any parts?: I'm happy with my keyboard, mouse, and speakers.
When will you build?: Whenever you tell me to. If I really should wait until whenever because there are awesome new cpu's or graphics cards coming out in the fall, then I will wait.
Will you be overclocking?: I'm scared of overclocking because I don't understand it and it makes me sad when things break. But if you can convince me I should, then I will.
Thanks in advance for the help. I know I sound like a giant n00b/pussy with this post, but that's basically what I am when it comes to gaming computers -- I've always been a console guy.
AdawgDaFAB
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Thanks for the advice. I edited the link in my previous post, his current card is a SAPPHIRE 100354OC-2L Radeon HD 7870 2GB.
What would be a good way to gauge a price when selling?
Where in the US are you? There's GAFers around the country that have offered to help build. I'm in the Pac NW, Haz is in LA.
Take a look at used prices on those at Overclock.net and Hardforum. That'll give you a good baseline.
I figured it might be tough with a old card. I was just trying to go as cheap as I could since I'm going to be using it or practice.
Ill have to find out what kind of card it is
Prophet Steve
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So yesterday I had a few posts about the fan on my CPU cooler, and my friend offered me an old one of his to see how much of a difference it makes.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=116241590&postcount=418
After putting new cooling paste on and adding that new fan, temperatures are a whole lot better and I am able to overclock better. The fan is a bit loud though. It is the one that came with the Corsair H60, a CF12S25M12AP, but that doesn't say much.
So I got a Arctic Cooling F12 recommended in this thread. Someone knows whether it is going to make a difference in sound, and maybe also performance? Or should I look at more expensive fans?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=116241590&postcount=418
After putting new cooling paste on and adding that new fan, temperatures are a whole lot better and I am able to overclock better. The fan is a bit loud though. It is the one that came with the Corsair H60, a CF12S25M12AP, but that doesn't say much.
So I got a Arctic Cooling F12 recommended in this thread. Someone knows whether it is going to make a difference in sound, and maybe also performance? Or should I look at more expensive fans?
maneil99
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Should be better but I'm not positive it will fit, if not get a Corsair SP120 Quiet or Performance, either way it's not that loud
You should be able to control the speed of that fan through BIOS. Just set the max speed to something like 1200-1500 RPM.
Prophet Steve
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It needs to fit on a Mugen Scythe 2 in case it wasn't clear. I don't know what dimensions I should look at.
Yeah, have set it to 75% now (only have the option to do that or 50%) and it is a bit better. Temperatures are high, but my room is pretty hot atm, so I don't know how much I would benefit with a different fan. Right now it is about 42 celsius idle and about 70 when stress testing with my voltage set to 1.280 with which I get 4.2 Ghz.
Should look into settings for overclocking a bit more, but at least this is better than it was before.
AnAngryPillock
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Well it turns out that I didn't get a bad chip, and I just had to mess with some of the memory settings to get a stable 4.4 OC at 1.25v. With that being said I've been thinking of going to a Haswell-E platform once it releases (which should hopefully be soon), so I'll be selling my 4770k. If anyone on here is interested let me know.
What's your actual budget? I know you state you paid £400 last time and you anticipate going over, but is there a limit to what you want to spend on a new system? We could end up recommending something way more than what you'd be able to afford
£600 limit.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor (£181.97 @ Dabs)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£25.28 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97 PRO3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£86.59 @ Overclockers.co.uk)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£59.98 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£73.98 @ Ebuyer)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 270X 2GB Dual-X Video Card (£129.00 @ Amazon UK)
Case: NZXT Source 210 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case (£38.65 @ Scan.co.uk)
Other: Windows 8.1 Pro (£10.00)
Total: £605.45
I've chosen to put a good chunk of your budget into the CPU since you listed emulation as a 5.
I'm sure other posters would shift a few pounds around to different aspects of the build, it should be interesting to compare
Edit: Regarding the non-nvidia GPU selection, the 270X vastly out-performs the 750Ti which is what you'd be looking at around that price point.
I need some help, GAF. First of all, I thought we had a general Tech Support GAF thread, but I can't seem to find it by searching. I figure this thread is the next best place to ask without opening my own thread.
So I just built a new HTPC, with the idea of also having it play some Steam games. Here's the build:
Motherboard: ASRock Mini ITX Motherboard FM2A88X-ITX+
Processor: AMD Quad-Core A8-Series APU A8-6600K with Radeon HD 8570D
RAM: Corsair 16GB XMS3 (2x 8GB) DDR3 SDRAM 1600MHz
And I think that's probably what's the most relevant. I could post the case and such, but it's not really pertinent to the issue.
So this is my first build. I've bought pre-built machines and replaced parts in the past, but I've never built an actual machine before. I went with integrated graphics because it really only needs to play video and the occasional game, so I did not put in a dedicated graphics card. (I may down the road.)
So here's the problem (finally): I have no sound. I have the computer hooked to my TV via HDMI cable, but Windows 7 says there is no audio device installed. I've double and triple checked the drivers for the chipset, processor, graphics, everything I can think of, but it says there's no audio device.
Did I miss a connection on the motherboard? Everything is powered, and I can't help but think there would be an issue getting video out through the HDMI if there was an issue with the integrated GPU.
Any ideas?
So I just built a new HTPC, with the idea of also having it play some Steam games. Here's the build:
Motherboard: ASRock Mini ITX Motherboard FM2A88X-ITX+
Processor: AMD Quad-Core A8-Series APU A8-6600K with Radeon HD 8570D
RAM: Corsair 16GB XMS3 (2x 8GB) DDR3 SDRAM 1600MHz
And I think that's probably what's the most relevant. I could post the case and such, but it's not really pertinent to the issue.
So this is my first build. I've bought pre-built machines and replaced parts in the past, but I've never built an actual machine before. I went with integrated graphics because it really only needs to play video and the occasional game, so I did not put in a dedicated graphics card. (I may down the road.)
So here's the problem (finally): I have no sound. I have the computer hooked to my TV via HDMI cable, but Windows 7 says there is no audio device installed. I've double and triple checked the drivers for the chipset, processor, graphics, everything I can think of, but it says there's no audio device.
Did I miss a connection on the motherboard? Everything is powered, and I can't help but think there would be an issue getting video out through the HDMI if there was an issue with the integrated GPU.
Any ideas?
I take it you've installed AMD Catalyst as well?
Yes.
I'd check the BIOS and make sure sound is enabled. I'm not familiar with the motherboard but that's the first place I'd look.
You are awesome. That was exactly the problem. Why would that be disabled by default? It makes no sense to me.
Thanks!
Frostinferno
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So I see a lot of talk about the MX100 SSD but I'm curious as to what its benefits are exactly compared to the Samsung 840 EVO. Is there any significant functional difference between them? The 120GB range drives are only $5 apart in price and I'm just wondering what I should go with.
Good to know I'm good to go
Sorry for not answering, I forgot to clarify: I can't wait since I need it for university too (and I want it already) so I thought the 4670k would last at least 5 years, Plus It's my first gaming PC so the iGPU will be enough to catch up with a lot of games and emulation.
And yep the NF-F12 is for the Heatsink.
I didn't even know Powerline adapters existed, they sound great I'll have a look at them thanks
That obvious, eh?
Got it off Dabs.ie and my PSU is is a Corsair 650W (can't remember the exact model right now)
I'm not buying things from dabs anymore if I can help it.
Bought a 780 from them a month or two ago and it wasn't even sealed! They were okay to RMA it but the fact that it even reached me in that condition worried me. No thanks. Scan & amazon to the rescue.
Only drug I take these days is Max graphics.
appaws
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Don't worry about it. We were all noobs once. It's all actually pretty easy, including overclocking. But you don't have to worry about that right away, just buy parts that keep that door open for a bit down the road, a Z97 board and a "K" series processor, and a decent CPU cooler.
With a $1500 budget, you should be able to look to one of the builds in the OP and go from there, no problem. There are also videos there that cover the actual act of building broken down step by step.
appaws
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Maybe post "looking for" in the B/S/T thread at overclock.net. Some of those guys there probably have stacks of old blocks gathering dust.
CrazyIvan1978
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Does anyone have any experience with XFX branded video cards? Not sure exactly why but all XFX cards are pretty significantly cheaper than other brands with same GPUs...
You should really look at the 250GB versions. If the prices are almost the same, from reviews I have read, I would go with a Samsung EVO since it offers better performance.
The MX100 has power loss protection, which I'd consider a nice thing to have. Whichever brand you go with, I would really try to grab a 250GB or larger model; they are significantly faster than the smaller SSDs instead of just having more capacity.
Chance Hale
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IQ is really important to me so I just worry about being able to play games at the settings I'd want while still retaining 120 FPS or close to it to be able to use lightboost.
At the same time 4K would be great but it has a similar issue of having to have the power to be able to use it. Of course with both types the monitor would be an investment of sorts and down the line when I've upgraded such things will be less of a worry. The main thing I really want though is gsync as stuttering is awful and being able to run at framerates other than 30, 60, or 120 would help alleviate some of the power issues.
Anyone here have one of those LG Ultrawide models? The linus review really made it look pretty great so I suppose that's another option although gsync isn't ever going to come to one of those.
DrBaalzamon
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So, is there any reason I should increase the voltage on my CPU if my OC doesnt need it? I basically went into my uefi/bios, set my ratio to 42 (4.2ghz) rebooted, and its been stable throughout my stress tests. That way I have the benefit of it going up to my OC speed when needed and the CPU downclocking and reducing elect usage when not needed. Thoughts?
Thanks!
Thanks!
No, keep the voltage as low as possible without crashing.
There's horror stories of the giant tower coolers cracking PCB, but it might be one of those Internet Tall Stories that gets talked about but never happened.
I probably wouldn't feel comfortable strapping something like a giant Noctua/Scythe/Thermalright cooler to a motherboard with a super thin PCB, like a lot of ASRock's stuff. But that's just me, and there's probably less than .00001% chance of something going wrong.
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DrBaalzamon
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Ah ok great! How do people keep their OC going usually? They just keep their voltage constant on an OC? My ASUS board has an adaptive setting that I havent touched but it seems interesting. When you OC you just set a voltage to stay locked that high then set the ratio?
Thanks, sir. I don't really know how fast the computer gaming world moves so I didn't know if the builds in the OP were out of date or not. I still feel like there's too much that I can screw up, or stuff that might drive me nuts. I see all the folks in here with weird compatibility issues other issues that require lots of time and effort to troubleshoot. I know myself, and I will get frustrated when things don't work and I worry about the endless cycle of "tweak this, but this breaks, so tweak this, but..." that can happen if you don't know what your'e doing.
The reason why you see a lot of those posts in here is because people don't post for help when everything is working fine
If you by chance live in SoCal or the Pac NW, you have some GAFers that will help you build everything. If you're pretty set on not doing it yourself, that's totally fine. If a few hundred or so dollars is worth your piece of mind, then that's that.
Basically just try to find parts that are similar to what is in the OP for your given budget at whatever online builder you end up choosing. There aren't a lot of recommendations for those in here given the DIY nature of the thread. I have a lot of respect for Maingear and the work they do there, but they're probably a bit more expensive than another random place that would end up being less expensive. You may even have a local computer store that will do assembly for you for a fee, which is also a good avenue. Having local support can be huge.
I do a set constant voltage as it gives me less issues and requires less time to setup. I'm not really interested in keeping my processors for 10+ years, so slightly reducing the lifespan isn't really a concern.
Frostinferno
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Thanks guys, guess I'll be going with a 250GB then (EVO, unless someone chimes in with some major benefit to the MX100).
I could name about 35 benefits. They're all $1.
I love you, will try this in a bit.
I think this is my GPU max stable (Air, ref) in Valley. 290 power draw and noise on reference is absolute insanity by the way.
R9 290: 1135 Core / 1500 Mem. +50mV +25%PL
When VRM1 hits about 70C and Core is about 80C I start seeing artifacts (snow).
Valley seems to be more demanding than the 3DMarks by a fair bit, at least for my GTX 670 benching FWIW.
Full system draw: 370W load stock to 470W load OC. Idle is 150W.
R9 290: 1135 Core / 1500 Mem. +50mV +25%PL
When VRM1 hits about 70C and Core is about 80C I start seeing artifacts (snow).
Valley seems to be more demanding than the 3DMarks by a fair bit, at least for my GTX 670 benching FWIW.
Full system draw: 370W load stock to 470W load OC. Idle is 150W.
Objectively Bad Opinion
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I think this is my GPU max stable (Air, ref) in Valley. 290 power draw and noise on reference is absolute insanity by the way.
370W load stock to 470W load OC.
Full system power draw?
DrBaalzamon
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Perfect, thanks mkenyon!
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