"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 2. Read OP, your 2500K will run Witcher 3. MX100s! 970!

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So, I will start by saying that I started this post by talking about the downsides, and how the $800 pricetag didn't justify it. I clicked the link and saw that they're selling it for $300.

$300.

These were $800 not 6 months ago. I'm not sure what to say.

The PC-V7 used to sell for $500. Now I see it is $225.

Wow.

If you go to LD's website they're still around that range. I'm not sure what's going on at Frozen PC.
 
Whatever the reason, those are really hard to say no to at the respective prices. The PC-V8 is HUGE though. Keep that in mind. They fit HTPX motherboards like the SR2:

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As long as that doesn't bug you, it's almost a steal at that price.
 
I don't really know where else to post this so I'm gonna post it here.

I'm trying to buy this BenQ 24" monitor, but when I click check out the site times out. Can someone please go on TigerDirect and click check out to see if it's not just on my end? It'd be much appreciated.
 
I got an additional $15 off from signing up for their email. I'm gonna wait an hour or so, If it's not up by then i'll try amazon. Thanks for checking that out for me.

EDIT: Apparently their site has been down for 3 days (according to tweets to @TigerDirect). That doesn't sound good for business. Got it from Newegg because they're my favorite.
 
Hey guys, I'm having issues with my Tri-X 290 -- I've tried OC'ing and my VRM 1 temp hits 112 c in Furmark! Core and VRM 2 temps are fine, I have no idea what's going on :/ could the cooler not be covering the VRM? It idles at the same temp as VRM 2...
 
Hey guys, I'm having issues with my Tri-X 290 -- I've tried OC'ing and my VRM 1 temp hits 112 c in Furmark! Core and VRM 2 temps are fine, I have no idea what's going on :/ could the cooler not be covering the VRM? It idles at the same temp as VRM 2...

What's your overclock?
 
Do they have a laptop thread on GAF like this? Looked in search and didn't quite see anything unless I typed in the wrong search. Sorry for asking that in here...
 
You'll likely just need a new power cord. Almost everything is built to work everywhere now and Gould automatically switch. What psu?

Over 100

Only if your computer starts running too hot. You're not overclocking and are using a roomy case so you don't really have to worry and the case will come with fan.

Thanks, can't get at the serial number without taking the computer apart but it does day 100 to 240 volts.
 
I'm trying to bring a laptop back to life----a Compaq CQ62. It gets to the windows logo then just sits there. So then I re-installed Windows, and it got to the OS. Then I brought it home from work, and next time I go to boot it got stuck on Windows logo again. So then I swapped out another hard drive just to test, and went to install and it gets part way through windows install then tells me installation files are corrupt. So then I tried a different Windows install disc....same issue. Side note....each time I go to install, it installs at a different pace. Sometimes it takes forever just to load to the installation, and other times it jumps right in. So now I'm thinking the RAM has an issue? So I ran MemTest overnight, and no errors. At this point, I'm not sure what else it might be.
 
Would anyone know what the temperatures should be for an idle i5 3570k on watercooling with an NZXT Kraken X61?

I'm getting an avg of 32-38 degrees with 65% fan speed in a push pull configuration with two Noctua fans and two stock fans... I did just install this yesterday. I don't want to max the fans out as it makes my computer sound like a lawn mower.

Also, anyone with experience know how long it takes for the CPU cooler to settle? I think I still have some air running through mine and it makes these funny little noises...
 
Would anyone know what the temperatures should be for an idle i5 3570k on watercooling with an NZXT Kraken X61?

I'm getting an avg of 32-38 degrees with 65% fan speed in a push pull configuration with two Noctua fans and two stock fans... I did just install this yesterday. I don't want to max the fans out as it makes my computer sound like a lawn mower.

Also, anyone with experience know how long it takes for the CPU cooler to settle? I think I still have some air running through mine and it makes these funny little noises...

It depends entirely on your ambient temperature. What's the temperature at in the room?
 
Got my Hyper 212 in, and god what a pain to put in. I didnt know when to stop tightening the screws. I basically did it until the cooler didnt move anymore.

Temps seem good though so I think its fine. The G3258 is at 4.4GHZ at 1.29V and temps while gaming are usually in the mid 50s range and spike up for a second or two to like 65 and then go back down.
 
Got my Hyper 212 in, and god what a pain to put in. I didnt know when to stop tightening the screws. I basically did it until the cooler didnt move anymore.

Temps seem good though so I think its fine. The G3258 is at 4.4GHZ at 1.29V and temps while gaming are usually in the mid 50s range and spike up for a second or two to like 65 and then go back down.

Putting coolers on is the most difficult part of building a PC for me.
 
Okay I think I finally settled on this setup, very open to opinions. I am looking for some long term life out of the box, may OC after some time, but no hurry, plan on using the machine to stream to other parts of the house as well, and play games and try to get in to other media stuffs.

Price: $1,295.00 fully assembled with a 3 year warranty

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CAS:CyberPowerPC X-Titan 100 MID-Tower Gaming Case w/ Side-Window Panel [-21] (White Color)

CPU:Intel® Core™ i7-4790K 4.0 GHz 8MB Intel Smart Cache LGA1150

FAN:* Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler w/ PWM fan - Efficient Cooling Performance

HDD:1TB Western Digital Caviar Blue SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 7200 RPM HDD

MEMORY:8GB (4GBx2) DDR3/1866MHz Dual Channel Memory (ADATA XPG V2)

MOTHERBOARD:* GIGABYTE Z97-D3H ATX w/ Realtek GbLAN, 2 PCIe x16, 2 PCIe x1, 3 PCI, 6x SATA 6Gb/s

POWERSUPPLY:650 Watts - Cooler Master V650 80 Plus Gold Semi Modular Power Supply

VIDEO:AMD Radeon R9 280X 3GB GDDR5 PCIe 3.0 x16 Video Card

I could up the Ram for another Hundred, but was also considering dropping to a 4690K too.

Going to add an MX100 SSD later down the road too.
 
well I don't have a thermometer, but I've got all the windows open and Google tells me its 72 degrees Fahrenheit out.

Your phone frequently has an ambient temp sensor. Those temps are in line with typical aftermarket air coolers. Is it overclocked? 32C is ~90F so you're not going to see a whole lot lower than that. If it's 72 outside it's probably going to be a few degrees warmer inside due to the heat from your PC.
 
Your phone frequently has an ambient temp sensor. Those temps are in line with typical aftermarket air coolers. Is it overclocked? 32C is ~90F so you're not going to see a whole lot lower than that. If it's 72 outside it's probably going to be a few degrees warmer inside due to the heat from your PC.

Its not over clocked. I'm comfortable with mid 30's if that's where its expected to be when its idle. I was just imagining something in the mid to late 20's with a push pull configuration on a non oc'd system.
 
Yeah it'll definitely bottleneck it. Why are you getting 32GB of RAM? Complete waste of money for gaming.


Yea sorry I should stick with 12 gb ram.

How much of bottleneck do u think an i7 920 2.6 ghz be to a 780ti?

Basically I ordered a lg34um95 monitor and wanted to try crysis 3 on it.
 
Yeah, same issue on my end. You could get Amazon to price match, most likely.

Have you had luck price matching monitors on Amazon?

I tried to have them match a Dell I ordered a couple weeks ago, it was to match Dell's site, and the CS rep said they wouldn't. "Only on televisions". She offered $5 off the purchase though which I found odd.
 
So, I will start by saying that I started this post by talking about the downsides, and how the $800 pricetag didn't justify it. I clicked the link and saw that they're selling it for $300.

$300.

These were $800 not 6 months ago. I'm not sure what to say.

The PC-V7 used to sell for $500. Now I see it is $225.

Wow.

Oh what the hell.

lol, 'tis the game, boys!

@tarheel91

A little over a year ago, I was on the hunt for a top-of-the-line case. I scoured Corsair and CoolerMaster's sites, but everything was plastic. I finally ran into Caselabs, and talked to mkenyon about them for a bit - really liked what I saw, but a bit too "refrigerator" for me. That's when (I think) he introduced me to the PC-V7. That black and red interior immediately called to me... and he even had a coupon which pushed me over the edge.

Beautiful, beautiful case. And the build quality is truly in a league of its own. I've worked with several Lian-Lis in the past, and never run into any this well built. I've only seen one completed Case Labs computer in person, and it was probably about the same build-wise.. but certainly not better.

For $500, I had some complaints... some things weren't thought out that great; routing is a bit tough, the back panel is a bit too tight for cabling, they forgot my front I/O ports, they charge you more for black feet... little things, but kinda nagging at half a grand. For $225? Buy it. It's absolutely the best case you can buy under $300... not a doubt in my mind.

Here's my build:

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That V8 for $300 seems like an f-ing steal.... I almost want to buy it for my next build; cause the next build, I'm going completely over the top, I think... assuming my budget and my time can afford it.

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Anyhoo, had a little guy show up on my doorstep the other day. Not sure what my game plan is for him just yet...

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Sorry guys, but I have another question.

My PC has been doing this since I can remember building it, which is two years, so maybe you guys can help me.

My PC, when it had Windows 7, would freeze, the sound would go crazy, and I'd have to restart it. This never happened when playing games, but only when I watched videos like on YouTube.

ALSO, my PC can't sleep. If I put it to sleep, when it wakes up, it freezes, and the sound goes crazy, and I have to restart it.

ALSO, ALSO, when I had Win7, in the Action Center, I got a notification that I needed to download a PSU driver for the mobo, and I did, and the freezing continued to happen. Still does in 8.1.

I have an AMD GPU if that is of any significance.
 
Sorry guys, but I have another question.

My PC has been doing this since I can remember building it, which is two years, so maybe you guys can help me.

My PC, when it had Windows 7, would freeze, the sound would go crazy, and I'd have to restart it. This never happened when playing games, but only when I watched videos like on YouTube.

ALSO, my PC can't sleep. If I put it to sleep, when it wakes up, it freezes, and the sound goes crazy, and I have to restart it.

ALSO, ALSO, when I had Win7, in the Action Center, I got a notification that I needed to download a PSU driver for the mobo, and I did, and the freezing continued to happen. Still does in 8.1.

I have an AMD GPU if that is of any significance.
Try doing memtest maybe see if your ram is bad
 
Would forcing an X amount of AA via Nvidia control center give me the same results as downsampling?

Which form of AA? Which game? Down sampling from what resolution to what resolution?
There's no real answer to this question. You can't blanket compare image quality across all games and AA methods.

To heavily generalise though, downsampling (also known as super-sampling) gives some of the best overall results. Not least because it affects all pixels. Some analytical techniques, like MSAA, do not operate on all kinds of aliasing and can't affect all parts of the scene.

The methods that give the best results utilise super-sampling (such as SGSSAA), but these also have the highest performance penalty. They are also rarely implemented in the games themselves. I think SGSSAA is only possible with a NVIDIA GPU and only possible to force on for a subset of games.

If you want to better understand AA in games, I recommend this article, written by Gaf's own Durante.

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/articles/122/1
 
Which form of AA? Which game? Down sampling from what resolution to what resolution?
There's no real answer to this question. You can't blanket compare image quality across all games and AA methods.

To heavily generalise though, downsampling (also known as super-sampling) gives some of the best overall results. Not least because it affects all pixels. Some analytical techniques, like MSAA, do not operate on all kinds of aliasing and can't affect all parts of the scene.

The methods that give the best results utilise super-sampling (such as SGSSAA), but these also have the highest performance penalty. They are also rarely implemented in the games themselves. I think SGSSAA is only possible with a NVIDIA GPU and only possible to force on for a subset of games.

If you want to better understand AA in games, I recommend this article, written by Gaf's own Durante.

http://www.beyond3d.com/content/articles/122/1

Yeah, I meant this question in the most general basic way. The specific game in this matter is The Witcher 2. The stock AA option is limited (just "on" or "of") and I was wondering if I should downsample or force more AA through the control center. What would be the way to go?

I read somewhere that the TW2 ubersampling is 4x SSAA. I barely get 30 fps with that enabled so I won't be able to downsample that far. My native res is 1920 x 1080, so does that mean ubersampling makes TW2 render at 7680 x 4320?
 
Yeah, I meant this question in the most general basic way. The specific game in this matter is The Witcher 2. The stock AA option is limited (just "on" or "of") and I was wondering if I should downsample or force more AA through the control center. What would be the way to go?

I read somewhere that the TW2 ubersampling is 4x SSAA. I barely get 30 fps with that enabled so I won't be able to downsample that far. My native res is 1920 x 1080, so does that mean ubersampling makes TW2 render at 7680 x 4320?

As far as my understanding goes, yes, 4x SSAA at 1920x1080 will run the game at 7680 x 4320 internally. I don't know the game myself, but there's a NVIDIA tweak guide for it here.

According to the page on AA, the built in technique is a custom form of post-AA and the game is "incompatible with traditional Anti-Aliasing such as that forced through your graphics card's control panel.".
So, the in-game post-AA, SSAA or forced downsampling through the NVCP are your only options for this game it seems.

An effective technique with a lot of games is to combine downsampling with a post-AA solution. You could try moderate downsampling from whatever your GPU and monitor can manage and leaving the game's post-AA enabled.
 
Try doing memtest maybe see if your ram is bad

Just finished and no problems were found. I've reinstalled Win7 several times, and I just updated to 8.1 but the problem still consists.

EDIT Also, I read your post as "try the memetest" and I thought you were rusing me.
 
Got my Hyper 212 in, and god what a pain to put in. I didnt know when to stop tightening the screws. I basically did it until the cooler didnt move anymore.

Temps seem good though so I think its fine. The G3258 is at 4.4GHZ at 1.29V and temps while gaming are usually in the mid 50s range and spike up for a second or two to like 65 and then go back down.

Tighten till the screws stop, they hit metal and you cannot tighten anymore.
 
Just finished and no problems were found. I've reinstalled Win7 several times, and I just updated to 8.1 but the problem still consists.

EDIT Also, I read your posts as "try the memetest" and I thought you were rusing me.

Have you tried updating the BIOS?
Sleep issues are usually due to software, but problems on wake up are usually hardware.

After a fresh install, what drivers and software did you install before testing sleep?
 
As far as my understanding goes, yes, 4x SSAA at 1920x1080 will run the game at 7680 x 4320 internally. I don't know the game myself, but there's a NVIDIA tweak guide for it here.

According to the page on AA, the built in technique is a custom form of post-AA and the game is "incompatible with traditional Anti-Aliasing such as that forced through your graphics card's control panel.".
So, the in-game post-AA, SSAA or forced downsampling through the NVCP are your only options for this game it seems.

An effective technique with a lot of games is to combine downsampling with a post-AA solution. You could try moderate downsampling from whatever your GPU and monitor can manage and leaving the game's post-AA enabled.

This is exactly what I'll do. Thanks, riflen.
 
So I installed my new computer, and after a few hiccups I got it running.

But I can't seem to get connected to the internet. I plugged in my ethernet, but windows just said: Windows did not detect a properly installed network adapter (and then something about drivers).

Do any of you guys know what to do (and please explain in layman's terms, as I am rather new to the PC world)
 
So I installed my new computer, and after a few hiccups I got it running.

But I can't seem to get connected to the internet. I plugged in my ethernet, but windows just said: Windows did not detect a properly installed network adapter (and then something about drivers).

Do any of you guys know what to do (and please explain in layman's terms, as I am rather new to the PC world)

Either use the CD that came with the motherboard to install LAN / network adapter drivers or go to the motherboard manufacturer's website and find the LAN drivers for your model of motherboard (copy to a flash drive and install on your new PC).

Once installed you should be golden.

EDIT - I did a quick search on your previous posts, if you went for the Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H here are the LAN drivers for...

Windows 8 64-bit - http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/Driver/mb_driver_lan_realtek_8series.exe
Windowws 7 64-bit - http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/Driver/mb_driver_lan_realtek_8series_win7.exe
 
Either use the CD that came with the motherboard to install LAN / network adapter drivers or go to the motherboard manufacturer's website and find the LAN drivers for your model of motherboard (copy to a flash drive and install on your new PC).

Once installed you should be golden.



Oh, damn forgot about it! Thanks a bunch!
 
Oh, damn forgot about it! Thanks a bunch!

Do not use the CD, use it as a last resort. The drivers are out dated and likely have some inherent issues as a result.

Get the latest drivers from the board manufacturers website, or if its an Intel LAN then the Intel site.
 
I don't understand, are you talking about emulation? These games are not released for PC, there's no way to tell.

EDIT: I see what you probably mean; games of that graphical level.
Yes, games of that graphical level. Not emulation, lol.

Although considering PS4 and Xbone are all x86-based I would think these consoles will be pretty easy to emulate in a few years time?
 
Hi Guys

building a new pc and not sure on a few things!!

Corsair 760T
4790K
Not sure on board or memory??
GTX780 or a ti if the price comes down by November
H100i with new fans
RM 750
2x SSD 120gb in RAID 0
2TB HDD
 
Do not use the CD, use it as a last resort. The drivers are out dated and likely have some inherent issues as a result.

Get the latest drivers from the board manufacturers website, or if its an Intel LAN then the Intel site.

For GPU drivers I'd agree and while it is best practice to get the latest drivers from the manufacturers website I have yet experience any issues from using the on CD LAN drivers. Ever.
 
Do not use the CD, use it as a last resort. The drivers are out dated and likely have some inherent issues as a result.

Get the latest drivers from the board manufacturers website, or if its an Intel LAN then the Intel site.
The drivers on the disc for his ethernet adapter will be perfectly fine to get it working. Once he's done that he can always connect to the internet then and update his drivers.

Hi Guys

building a new pc and not sure on a few things!!

Corsair 760T
4790K
Not sure on board or memory??
GTX780 or a ti if the price comes down by November
H100i with new fans
RM 750
2x SSD 120gb in RAID 0
2TB HDD
If you could fill out the questionnaire in the OP (under the Builds section) and post that, quoting what you've done here, that would be most useful! :)
 
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