"I Need a New PC!" 2014 Part 2. Read OP, your 2500K will run Witcher 3. MX100s! 970!

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mkenyon said:
For an SLI-top-of-the-line system, I think it's absolutely worth the relatively small price increase.

6 cores, DDR4. It's a watershed that is absolutely going to last.
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Calling it a watershed moment is waaaaay over the top IMO. Hardly anything even takes advantage of a quad core right now. Hell, we keep recommending that dual core Pentium for a reason. And as we all know, RAM speed hardly matters at all.

Don't get me wrong though, as I said in my prior post, he should probably go X99 for what it costs.
 
The Llama said:
Calling it a watershed moment is waaaaay over the top IMO. Hardly anything even takes advantage of a quad core right now. Hell, we keep recommending that dual core Pentium for a reason. And as we all know, RAM speed hardly matters at all.

Don't get me wrong though, as I said in my prior post, he should probably go X99 for what it costs.
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While it's not a watershed moment in gaming, it absolutely is a general computing watershed moment.

When the 920 came out, people were talking about how DDR3 and 4.0 GHz quad core procs with hyperthreading were absolutely useless for games.
 
rocK` said:
OK - looks like this will be my build. Any thoughts?
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-5930K 3.5GHz 6-Core Processor ($589.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($8.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Asus X99-DELUXE ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($357.29 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($269.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Intel 730 Series 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 980 4GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($565.91 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 980 4GB Video Card (2-Way SLI) ($565.91 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.25 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 860W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($169.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: LG WH14NS40 Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer ($143.99 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Asus PB287Q 60Hz 28.0" Monitor ($609.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $3566.28
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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haha just saw that ridiculous blu-ray writer. removed it and got a $20 dvd-rw
 
mkenyon said:
While it's not a watershed moment in gaming, it absolutely is a general computing watershed moment.

When the 920 came out, people were talking about how DDR3 and 4.0 GHz quad core procs with hyperthreading were absolutely useless for games.
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Hell, before my current 4790k I had a 920, and I still question whether either of those things are useful now. Like I said, the Pentium anniversary edition basically proves that a 4.0GHz quad core isn't necessary at all for gaming, and the impact of faster RAM is negligible.
 
Couple things:

  • Do you have specific use for the X99-Deluxe features over the X99-A?
  • You don't need additional thermal paste, all aftermarket heatsinks come with them.
  • You sure you want 60Hz? Is this for multimedia creation?
  • Given the fact that you have two 980s and an air cooled enthusiast socket processor, I'd look at adding/replacing the stock fans in the R4.
ricki42 said:
Wouldn't 4 x 4GB be better? For the quad channel band width? Or are 2x8GB still better depending on circumstances?
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I didn't catch that, but yes.
The Llama said:
Hell, before my current 4790k I had a 920, and I still question whether either of those things are useful now. Like I said, the Pentium anniversary edition basically proves that a 4.0GHz quad core isn't necessary at all for gaming, and the impact of faster RAM is negligible.
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Erm, what?
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That's a really substantial difference between the 4790K and Pentium Anniversary.
 
Just overclocked my GTX 970 MSI SLI to run the un valley benchmark to gain additional 10fps at 2650 resolution downsampled with 8AA. I Manage to get it at 70 FPS (x4 at 80). My GPU Temps run on average at 68 to 78 maximum (one generally stays in the 60s). Is this acceptable enough for GPUs? When they are at idle it is around the late 50 point through out the day.
 
I'll look at it a little more. I have time anyway since I can't get a damn 980 anywhere plus DDR4 is in ridiculous demand. My main concern with switching to X99 is the potential bugs as it's totally new technology especially DDR4. I seem to remember Intel needing to recall motherboards shortly after that came out during Sandy Bridge right?

I might scale back my budget and get you guys to help at around 1500 and save the rest for a future upgrade in 2 years when it will drop down into better prices. I'll definitely look at an X99 build now though since I'm in no hurry to buy anything right now.

I know I'm getting annoying but it's a lot of money and I want to get what's right for me. I'll get back to you guys later.
 
Not annoying at all!

$1500 gets you a killer machine. SLI 980s is entering insanity territory. I actually advise against SLI in general unless you are trying to achieve performance that is otherwise impossible for a single card. Something like 4K, or 1440p@120FPS with all the visual goodies.
Felix Lighter said:
Are the chips without the clock speed listed stock clocks?
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Yep.
 
mkenyon said:
Couple things:

  • Do you have specific use for the X99-Deluxe features over the X99-A?
  • You don't need additional thermal paste, all aftermarket heatsinks come with them.
  • You sure you want 60Hz? Is this for multimedia creation?
  • Given the fact that you have two 980s and an air cooled enthusiast socket processor, I'd look at adding/replacing the stock fans in the R4.

I didn't catch that, but yes.

Erm, what?
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That's a really substantial difference between the 4790K and Pentium Anniversary.
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Hence why in a previous post I said "hardly anything" takes advantage of a quad core. Congrats, you found 1 of about 3 games that do.
 
DA:I PC requirements are out, not sure if old but i just saw it.

http://www.dragonage.com/?sf3188766...ecs-prev-site-ramp&cid=30168&ts=1412961880536

Minimum:

OS

Windows 7 or 8.1 64-bit

CPU

AMD quad core CPU @ 2.5 GHz

Intel quad core CPU @ 2.0 GHz

System RAM

4 GB

Graphics CARD

AMD Radeon HD 4870

NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT

Graphics Memory

512 MB

Hard Drive

26 GB

DirectX

10



Recommended:

OS

Windows 7 or 8.1 64-bit

CPU

AMD six core CPU @ 3.2 GHz

Intel quad core CPU @ 3.0 GHz

System RAM

8 GB

Graphics CARD

AMD Radeon HD 7870 or R9 270

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660

Graphics Memory

2 GB

Hard Drive

26 GB

DirectX

11



* Xbox 360 controller supported

* 100% DirectX 9.0c compatible sound card

* Online Authentication at time of installation



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mkenyon said:
Not annoying at all!

$1500 gets you a killer machine. SLI 980s is entering insanity territory. I actually advise against SLI in general unless you are trying to achieve performance that is otherwise impossible for a single card. Something like 4K, or 1440p@120FPS with all the visual goodies.

Yep.
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After reading up on it...I SLI is not really worth it as you said and I don't think X99 is viable right now. So, I quickly trimmed the budget down. Not necessarily on anything with a set budget but this is what I got

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($335.98 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.99 @ Micro Center)
Motherboard: Asus SABERTOOTH Z97 MARK2 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($164.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($159.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial MX100 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($208.97 @ SuperBiiz)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($569.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic G 550W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.98 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 - 64-bit (OEM) (64-bit) ($90.26 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1759.13
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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I think a 4790k build will destroy most gaming since even now 3-year-old CPUs are still doing very fine. I don't think X99/DDR4 will be big until a few years. I'll save the $300 I have now in my separate bank account and use it for future savings towards upgrades down the line. I can build that bank account up again so I'll be ready for an upgrade in a few years. What do you think about this build? Should I upgrade that Sea Sonic to a 650w or will 550w be fine for a little overclocking?

Paying a little extra for a superclocked card might not be necessarily but eh, I'm an overclock newbie, so I see it a bit of convenience. Thoughts on the motherboard? Seems to be a well-rounded mobo that's very well built and is okay for both gaming and overclocking. Might be able to trim budget there but that mobo seems like it's built for reliability with a 5-year warranty unless someone has better suggestions for cheaper? Going to keep the optical drive since I like to have the option open for physical media.
 
Hey guys, I have some very beginner questions about my (quite basic) build listed below and would really appreciate some help.

1) Other than the actual parts listed, do I need anything else? Screws, cables, one of those static wristband things, etc.?

2) Do I need to buy additional fans other than the one that comes with the R4 case? Right now, I think I'm just going to using the IGP (see below) and later, might get a 750ti or 960 - but no overclocking. A quiet system is something I really want.

3) Speaking of IGP: my current system has a GT240 - I can't seem to find out if that's better than the Intel HD 4600 or not? Anyone know?

I know these aren't really "gaming system" questions, but I'm excited to put stuff together and just wanted some advice! Hope this is okay.

The build:

CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (Purchased For $230.00)
Motherboard: Asus H97-PLUS ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (Purchased For $128.00)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($99.98 @ DirectCanada)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($115.98 @ DirectCanada)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case (Purchased For $99.00)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 450W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $80.00)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($58.41 @ DirectCanada)
Total: $811.37
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-10-10 22:19 EDT-0400
 
So, my wife is interested in getting a white bezel monitor, to match her case/headset/keyboard/mouse. There are some good options, but not nearly the variety I would have expected with the Applesque look being so popular. Any reason other than market forces not demanding it, that there aren't more white monitors? In 8-10 months she's going to want a 21:9 monitor and the chances of getting something niche like that in white seem almost nil.
 
mkenyon said:
While it's not a watershed moment in gaming, it absolutely is a general computing watershed moment.

When the 920 came out, people were talking about how DDR3 and 4.0 GHz quad core procs with hyperthreading were absolutely useless for games.
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Good call. I built a PC in 2009 with an E8500. I could have gone for an i7-920 that would probably still be decent today. Mind you, the extra cost of mobo and RAM at the time were quite high... but still.

There is absolutely no question in my mind that the extra $50 would be worth it to go to X99.
 
mkenyon said:
Your cursor going through all of those drop down menus and sliders would be so insanely smooth.
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I've owned my BenQ XL2420T for over a year now but it's still so hard to resist playing most games on my 60hz IPS.

Like, I own a 970 now so there are a bunch of games I could easily play in 120hz@1080p in max settings. But it's so hard to give up the image quality. Anything that's a competitive shooter I play on the BenQ without hesitation, as well as certain single-player action games, and love it for that. But your typical single-player game, I dunno, still sticking with my IPS for now.

I need a 120/144hz monitor with pristine image quality/color reproduction in my life.
 
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Zeliard said:
I've owned my BenQ XL2420T for over a year now but it's still so hard to resist playing most games on my 60hz IPS.

Like, I own a 970 now so there are a bunch of games I could easily play in 120hz@1080p in max settings. But it's so hard to give up the image quality. Anything that's a competitive shooter I play on the BenQ without hesitation, as well as certain single-player action games, and love it for that. But your typical single-player game, I dunno, still sticking with my IPS for now.

I need a 120/144hz monitor with pristine image quality/color reproduction in my life.
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Yeah, I'm not sure if I'll go to TN or IPS in gaming. It's almost painful to look at a TN panel when you get a really good IPS with the color accuracy. It just brings everything to life more and it has immersion to it. Probably easier for me to say that because I don't competitive game often. I prefer SP personally but I do MP sometimes.

Once you get use to a good IPS it's very hard to go back to TN panels, IMO. If I played more MP games I'd probably prefer a good TN panel.
 
mkenyon said:
Not annoying at all!

$1500 gets you a killer machine. SLI 980s is entering insanity territory. I actually advise against SLI in general unless you are trying to achieve performance that is otherwise impossible for a single card. Something like 4K, or 1440p@120FPS with all the visual goodies.

Yep.
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Preach it, plus sli gets you headaches and driver issues. I just hated having to wait ages until new drivers would actually support sli. Go for the fastest single card unless you have multi screen or are determined to try to play 4k at 30 fps...
 
Zeliard said:
I've owned my BenQ XL2420T for over a year now but it's still so hard to resist playing most games on my 60hz IPS.

Like, I own a 970 now so there are a bunch of games I could easily play in 120hz@1080p in max settings. But it's so hard to give up the image quality. Anything that's a competitive shooter I play on the BenQ without hesitation, as well as certain single-player action games, and love it for that. But your typical single-player game, I dunno, still sticking with my IPS for now.

I need a 120/144hz monitor with pristine image quality/color reproduction in my life.
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I thought about buying QX2710 single DVI 1440p (OC to 96/110/120) today.
 
Ok OC bros, is this fine for my cpu in terms of temps for my 4790k of to 4.6 (base was 4.0) ghz with a h60 cooler

Average of 40-50 idle
Max hold in stress test on prime 95 around 79-82 for twenty minutes on two CPUS, with the other two around 73-75. This is at 2.20 v

At 5.7 with 2.50v they go into the high 80s after 11/12 minutes on Prime 95 test. I plan to add more thermal paste onto the CPU and waiting for my top 200MM fan to come in order to have it at this level.

Is that acceptable?
 
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ZombieFred said:
Ok OC bros, is this fine for my cpu in terms of temps for my 4790k of to 4.6 (base was 4.0) ghz with a h60 cooler

Average of 40-50 idle
Max hold in stress test on prime 95 around 79-82 for twenty minutes on two CPUS, with the other two around 73-75. This is at 2.20 v

At 5.7 with 2.50v they go into the high 80s after 11/12 minutes on Prime 95 test. I plan to add more thermal paste onto the CPU and waiting for my top 200MM fan to come in order to have it at this level.

Is that acceptable?
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Isn't 2.50V way too high for CPU Core? Thought, you want to stay under 1.35V for 24/7. And, are you using HWinfo for monitoring?
 
Hello GAF,
I'm considering this sort of configuration for a new PC:

Case: Corsair Carbide Series 500R White €110.00
Power Supply: Corsair CS650M 80 PLUS Gold €84.00
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K €299.00
Cooling: Noctua NH-U12S €64.49
SSD: Crucial MX100 512GB €174.00
RAM: Corsair Vengeance Pro 1600 MHz CL9 Black 16 GB (2x8GB) €150.00
Motherboard: MSI Z97 Gaming 7 €157.00
Video Card: MSI GTX970 4GB €375.00
-------------------------------------------------
TOTAL: €1413.49
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I can recycle a HDD and DVD burner from my old computer.

Thoughts? Anything unnecessary that could be shaven off?
Also, would the 650W PSU eventually allow me to add a second GTX970 later on?
 
knitoe said:
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Isn't 2.50V way too high for CPU Core? Thought, you want to stay under 1.35V for 24/7. And, are you using HWinfo for monitoring?
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1.250 (on CPU it has it at 1.248) Sorry!

I have also noticed that when running my games (which is what I do mainly and one or two programs on a single screen) the temps (Used real temp) were around the 60 mark. Does that mean I can possible raise it higher to get up to 4.8/whatever and get the temperature to stay around the mid 70 mark if I was to raise the voltage to achieve those? Temperature at idle right now (using HWINFO) are around 40/42 minimum to 47/49 maximum.
 
The Llama said:
Hell, before my current 4790k I had a 920, and I still question whether either of those things are useful now. Like I said, the Pentium anniversary edition basically proves that a 4.0GHz quad core isn't necessary at all for gaming, and the impact of faster RAM is negligible.
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Well it isn't necessary if you can accept console quality gaming (30 fps with drops) if you aim for 60Hz all the time then you will want as much cpu power as possible.
 
I know I was told that it's ok to buy, but how many of you guys have a GTX 970 ACX 1.0 that does not have any problems? I just want to be sure before I drop 300+ euro on a PC part...
 
rocK` said:
Looking at the Fractal Design R4 case - any thoughts on whether its roomy enough to deal with two video cards? worried about flow and me actually building it (i have somewhat large hands).
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The R4 is a roomy case, and easy to work with. The side panel has a lot of space for routing/hiding cables.

Plenty of room for dual video cards. Just don't go over 290mm/11.41inch in length If you don't want to sacrifice drive cages.
  • Supports graphics card lengths up to 290mm/11.41inch with top drive cage installed
  • Supports graphics card lengths up to 470mm/18.50 with top drive cage removed

Airflow should be no problem with 6 fan slots (window). One more 140/120mm fan slot without the window.
  • Front - 1 x 140mm and 1 x 120/140mm
  • Rear - 1 x 140mm
  • Bottom - 1 x 120/140mm
  • Top - 2 x 120/140mm
 
I haven't upgraded in a while and was considering upgrading my main gaming system, current specs are below and was wondering if it makes sense to just upgrade the video card (980 versus 970) or scrap and start new.


build is from 2012,

case Cooler Master HAF 922
Intel I7-2600k sandy bridge 3.4 GHz
Asus P8Z68-V pro/LGA 1155 Z68
XFX HD 7850 Core ED 2GB
OCZ 750w 80%
HyperX 16 GB 240pin/1600 (4x4)
Monitor: U3011.

- all SSD system execpt 2GB segate for steam.
- I am not overclocked
- SLI in current system is out of the question, I had a problem about a year ago where the primary PCIe slot stopped working - although the second slot is currently working great.


options: pick up a 980 versus 970 versus rebuild.
main use: games.

thoughts?
 
somuchwater said:
1) Other than the actual parts listed, do I need anything else? Screws, cables, one of those static wristband things, etc.?
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All you'll need is a screwdriver. Your case comes with plenty of screws to mount harddrives and some SATA cables.

somuchwater said:
2) Do I need to buy additional fans other than the one that comes with the R4 case? Right now, I think I'm just going to using the IGP (see below) and later, might get a 750ti or 960 - but no overclocking. A quiet system is something I really want.
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The case comes with two fans. I got an additional fan for mine, but I don't think it makes much of a difference. They are really easy to add afterwards, so I'd say just see where the temperatures end up, and add one if needed.
 
Quantum said:
I haven't upgraded in a while and was considering upgrading my main gaming system, current specs are below and was wondering if it makes sense to just upgrade the video card (980 versus 970) or scrap and start new.


build is from 2012,

case Cooler Master HAF 922
Intel I7-2600k sandy bridge 3.4 GHz
Asus P8Z68-V pro/LGA 1155 Z68
XFX HD 7850 Core ED 2GB
OCZ 750w 80%
HyperX 16 GB 240pin/1600 (4x4)
Monitor: U3011.

- all SSD system execpt 2GB segate for steam.
- I am not overclocked
- SLI in current system is out of the question, I had a problem about a year ago where the primary PCIe slot stopped working - although the second slot is currently working great.


options: pick up a 980 versus 970 versus rebuild.
main use: games.

thoughts?
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No question. OC that CPU and upgrade that graphics card, maybe a 970 or 980...depending on how much money you want to spend.

I think you should try to spring for a 980, considering that is a 2560x1600 panel you are using.

So grab a decent CPU cooler if you don't already have one. A CM212 is fine if you want to stay pretty cheap, or a Noctua. You could also go with an AIO like a H100i or something like that. Those Sandy Bridges are great overclockers and that i7 should last you for a while longer.
 
I've been looking into getting a really nice case, and I can't seem to choose between the 750D, or the 540 Air.


I might be a Corsair shill.
 
ricki42 said:
All you'll need is a screwdriver. Your case comes with plenty of screws to mount harddrives and some SATA cables.



The case comes with two fans. I got an additional fan for mine, but I don't think it makes much of a difference. They are really easy to add afterwards, so I'd say just see where the temperatures end up, and add one if needed.
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Awesome - thanks so much!
 
I've looked everywhere but found no answers. I bought an Asus BT211 to use with my DS4 on my PC but I just read the native drivers don't work on windows 8.

I am really stuck here, does anybody have any ideas?
 
xBladeM6x said:
I've been looking into getting a really nice case, and I can't seem to choose between the 750D, or the 540 Air.


I might be a Corsair shill.
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I have a 650D and I really like it for the most part. Aesthetically it is very nice. I like the sleek black aluminum look. Its just like my old Lian Li that I liked so much. Plenty of room to work in. I could fit a gigabyte g1 with room to spare. Great airflow. My only issue with it has been vibrations. I get a slight buzzing every now and again. I think it's because the side panels aren't super insulated and secure. I solved it by replacing all the case fans with corsair air ones but once in awhile it will rear its ugly head again and I basically end up shifting the case around until it goes away.

But overall I like the case.
 
JetForceGemini said:
Can you change the cpu cooler while the mobo is in screwed in the case, or do you have to take the mobo out the case
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I recently exchanged the Hyper 212 Evo for a Noctua NH-D14 while leaving the motherboard in the case (Fractal Design Define R4). The case has a large enough cut-out in the motherboard tray to reach the cooler backplate. Mounting the backplate was actually easier with the case holding up the mobo. Only thing is that depending on where on the mobo the CPU fan connector is, it might be difficult to plug in the cable.
Check your mobo and case to see if you can reach everything.
 
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