In my experience with a 144Hz monitor, after ~90 FPS I can't really tell the difference. It's there, but its so minor to me that it doesn't really matter as a practical matter. Back in the way when I used a CRT, I could easily see the flickering at 60Hz, so I had to use 75Hz or higher (IIRC I usually used 85Hz) to avoid that.
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In my experience with a 144Hz monitor, after ~90 FPS I can't really tell the difference. It's there, but its so minor to me that it doesn't really matter as a practical matter. Back in the way when I used a CRT, I could easily see the flickering at 60Hz, so I had to use 75Hz or higher (IIRC I usually used 85Hz) to avoid that.
natjjohn
Member
Coming from this topic (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1003384&page=2)
I decided to finally get parts and not buy a pre-built. Catch is, I have about a 1400 (US) credit for Best Buy so looking at buying the parts there (at least to hit that #, and then can maybe get other items elsewhere if looking like will exceed). Budget isn't so much an issue within reason. I don't mind going over the 1400 mark.
When looking at the first page, i'm going for something that would fall in the "excellent" to "enthusiast range." Computer will be used for day to day stuff (web browsing, office, streaming music, etc.); however, it will also be used for gaming. Looking at something that will be able to handle most games with ease, looking and performing great now and for the next some years (though know will get diminishing returns over time). I think I can get that in the excellent to enthusiast range.
For CPU thinking: i7 4790k (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/intel-c...ulti/9907156.p?id=1219446417967&skuId=9907156), but for gaming purposes, should I just get the i5 4690k and save the $100
CPU Cooler: Not sure what to get from this list (please don't select a sold out one): http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...abcat0507007&qp=soldby_facet=Sold By~Best Buy
Motherboard: Need help here on what Best Buy has available. Can't be a marketplace item as gift card can't be used... I'm under the impression an ASUS one would be the best route if possible.
RAM: Need help on what I should get from Best Buy... (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...abcat0506000&qp=soldby_facet=Sold By~Best Buy)
Graphics: Leaning towards 970 or 980. Which one would be recommended from this list. Please don't select a sold out one: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...abcat0507002&qp=soldby_facet=Sold By~Best Buy
Hard Drive: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-blue...lver/6331502.p?id=1219470783344&skuId=6331502 (this one?)
SSD: Uncertain, but if got one thinking (Samsung - 850 EVO 250GB Internal Serial ATA Solid State Drive for Laptops - Black). See one better or not worth to get at all?
Power Supply: Need help (no sold out ones please
): http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...abcat0507009&qp=soldby_facet=Sold By~Best Buy
Case: No idea, need help (again, no sold out ones): http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...abcat0507006&qp=soldby_facet=Sold By~Best Buy
Optical Drive: Thinking this one, any objections: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-24x-...lver/1371147.p?id=1219050755280&skuId=1371147
Sound Card: You need one right if you want sound (sadly, a serious question). Need help with something on this list that's not sold out: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...abcat0507003&qp=soldby_facet=Sold By~Best Buy
OS: Windows 7 home premium 64 bit. Any reason this would not work?
Are there any component categories that I am missing to build a PC. Forgetting anything. Again assistance greatly appreciated.
Would love to hear from Dark Flow or Hazaro if possible, not that I'm discounting other folks, but they seem like super enthusiasts so would love their advice.
Thanks!
EDIT: Totally fine going under the $1400 of course, as could then use the gift card for other things. Main thing, want a really solid computer! (So if the "great" line of things would do that, can see doing that also)
EDIT 2: Previous equipment; Had a pre-built HP. Had an intel processor (don't remember which one), and and AMD 6800. I was pretty satisfied with it. Thought BF4 looked good and ran fine at the settings I used (don't remember what they were). CSGO looked good as did L4d2 (some of my more commonly played games over the past 3 years or so). GPU listed above may be overkill, not sure, but thought could get some future proofing in.
I decided to finally get parts and not buy a pre-built. Catch is, I have about a 1400 (US) credit for Best Buy so looking at buying the parts there (at least to hit that #, and then can maybe get other items elsewhere if looking like will exceed). Budget isn't so much an issue within reason. I don't mind going over the 1400 mark.
When looking at the first page, i'm going for something that would fall in the "excellent" to "enthusiast range." Computer will be used for day to day stuff (web browsing, office, streaming music, etc.); however, it will also be used for gaming. Looking at something that will be able to handle most games with ease, looking and performing great now and for the next some years (though know will get diminishing returns over time). I think I can get that in the excellent to enthusiast range.
For CPU thinking: i7 4790k (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/intel-c...ulti/9907156.p?id=1219446417967&skuId=9907156), but for gaming purposes, should I just get the i5 4690k and save the $100
CPU Cooler: Not sure what to get from this list (please don't select a sold out one): http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...abcat0507007&qp=soldby_facet=Sold By~Best Buy
Motherboard: Need help here on what Best Buy has available. Can't be a marketplace item as gift card can't be used... I'm under the impression an ASUS one would be the best route if possible.
RAM: Need help on what I should get from Best Buy... (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...abcat0506000&qp=soldby_facet=Sold By~Best Buy)
Graphics: Leaning towards 970 or 980. Which one would be recommended from this list. Please don't select a sold out one: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...abcat0507002&qp=soldby_facet=Sold By~Best Buy
Hard Drive: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-blue...lver/6331502.p?id=1219470783344&skuId=6331502 (this one?)
SSD: Uncertain, but if got one thinking (Samsung - 850 EVO 250GB Internal Serial ATA Solid State Drive for Laptops - Black). See one better or not worth to get at all?
Power Supply: Need help (no sold out ones please
): http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...abcat0507009&qp=soldby_facet=Sold By~Best BuyCase: No idea, need help (again, no sold out ones): http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...abcat0507006&qp=soldby_facet=Sold By~Best Buy
Optical Drive: Thinking this one, any objections: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-24x-...lver/1371147.p?id=1219050755280&skuId=1371147
Sound Card: You need one right if you want sound (sadly, a serious question). Need help with something on this list that's not sold out: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...abcat0507003&qp=soldby_facet=Sold By~Best Buy
OS: Windows 7 home premium 64 bit. Any reason this would not work?
Are there any component categories that I am missing to build a PC. Forgetting anything. Again assistance greatly appreciated.
Would love to hear from Dark Flow or Hazaro if possible, not that I'm discounting other folks, but they seem like super enthusiasts so would love their advice.
Thanks!
EDIT: Totally fine going under the $1400 of course, as could then use the gift card for other things. Main thing, want a really solid computer! (So if the "great" line of things would do that, can see doing that also)
EDIT 2: Previous equipment; Had a pre-built HP. Had an intel processor (don't remember which one), and and AMD 6800. I was pretty satisfied with it. Thought BF4 looked good and ran fine at the settings I used (don't remember what they were). CSGO looked good as did L4d2 (some of my more commonly played games over the past 3 years or so). GPU listed above may be overkill, not sure, but thought could get some future proofing in.
ah okay, that makes more sense
I just can't imagine seeing a difference between like 120 or 150 fps lol
I can wait that long I think. The itch and thirst is real.
Just have the money and friends coming up from the states now.
i3allistic
Member
Thinking about upgrading my VideoCard...currently using 7850, should I go for another year or two? Not really a hardcore PC gamer....more of a console gamer
Are you looking for higher framerate and graphics quality? The 7850 should still be fine for a while if you don't care too strongly about either.
Coming from this topic (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1003384&page=2)
I decided to finally get parts and not buy a pre-built. Catch is, I have about a 1400 (US) credit for Best Buy so looking at buying the parts there (at least to hit that #, and then can maybe get other items elsewhere if looking like will exceed). Budget isn't so much an issue within reason. I don't mind going over the 1400 mark.
When looking at the first page, i'm going for something that would fall in the "excellent" to "enthusiast range." Computer will be used for day to day stuff (web browsing, office, streaming music, etc.); however, it will also be used for gaming. Looking at something that will be able to handle most games with ease, looking and performing great now and for the next some years (though know will get diminishing returns over time). I think I can get that in the excellent to enthusiast range.
For CPU thinking: i7 4790k (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/intel-c...ulti/9907156.p?id=1219446417967&skuId=9907156), but for gaming purposes, should I just get the i5 4690k and save the $100
CPU Cooler: Not sure what to get from this list (please don't select a sold out one): http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...abcat0507007&qp=soldby_facet=Sold By~Best Buy
Motherboard: Need help here on what Best Buy has available. Can't be a marketplace item as gift card can't be used... I'm under the impression an ASUS one would be the best route if possible.
RAM: Need help on what I should get from Best Buy... (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...abcat0506000&qp=soldby_facet=Sold By~Best Buy)
Graphics: Leaning towards 970 or 980. Which one would be recommended from this list. Please don't select a sold out one: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...abcat0507002&qp=soldby_facet=Sold By~Best Buy
Hard Drive: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-blue...lver/6331502.p?id=1219470783344&skuId=6331502 (this one?)
SSD: Uncertain, but if got one thinking (Samsung - 850 EVO 250GB Internal Serial ATA Solid State Drive for Laptops - Black). See one better or not worth to get at all?
Power Supply: Need help (no sold out ones please
Case: No idea, need help (again, no sold out ones): http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...abcat0507006&qp=soldby_facet=Sold By~Best Buy
Optical Drive: Thinking this one, any objections: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/hp-24x-...lver/1371147.p?id=1219050755280&skuId=1371147
Sound Card: You need one right if you want sound (sadly, a serious question). Need help with something on this list that's not sold out: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchp...abcat0507003&qp=soldby_facet=Sold By~Best Buy
OS: Windows 7 home premium 64 bit. Any reason this would not work?
Are there any component categories that I am missing to build a PC. Forgetting anything. Again assistance greatly appreciated.
Would love to hear from Dark Flow or Hazaro if possible, not that I'm discounting other folks, but they seem like super enthusiasts so would love their advice.
Thanks!
EDIT: Totally fine going under the $1400 of course, as could then use the gift card for other things. Main thing, want a really solid computer!
EDIT 2: Previous equipment; Had a pre-built HP. Had an intel processor (don't remember which one), and and AMD 6800. I was pretty satisfied with it. Thought BF4 looked good and ran fine at the settings I used (don't remember what they were). CSGO looked good as did L4d2 (some of my more commonly played games over the past 3 years or so). GPU listed above may be overkill, not sure, but thought could get some future proofing in.
That's the best you'll get, and I still feel it's overpriced, as you can get basically the same thing elsewhere for $150 cheaper. Anyway..
You won't really need a sound card unless you have high end headphones you know won't work with integrated sound (and if that were true, you wouldn't need to ask, most likely) and DVD drives are sort of unnecessary nowadays, with USB drives and online distribution having largely replaced most needs for discs.
You will want a CPU cooler, however, the only one worth buying is out of stock. I recommend you buy the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo from one of these retailers.
Yes, Windows 7 will work just fine. Both Windows 7 and 8/8.1 will be receiving free upgrades to Windows 10, anyway.
Sorry but there is a surprising difference between 60 Hz and 120+ Hz. I'm pushing 122 Hz/1080P on my Seiki Se39uy04-1 and it's just smooth as hell. Frametimes are significantly reduced so even frame rates as low as 40 is smooth as hell. Mkenyon is right, eyeball massages galore.
So I installed the 750 Ti in the Dell Inspiron 3847 and so far it's running great. I can run Star Trek Online with the renderscale at 2 at all maximum settings without any significant FPS drop, whereas my old system would drop to the single digits. Battlefield 3 at Ultra is no problem either.
I did notice that the side panel of the system was rather warm right next to where the video card sits. I never really noticed that in my old system, but then again, one of the reasons my old system was so noisy was the ridiculous amount of case fans. I think my old system is also about a full inch wider than the Dell. Is a little bit of warmth anything to worry about? I'd imagine that if the system was getting too hot, it would shut down.
I did notice that the side panel of the system was rather warm right next to where the video card sits. I never really noticed that in my old system, but then again, one of the reasons my old system was so noisy was the ridiculous amount of case fans. I think my old system is also about a full inch wider than the Dell. Is a little bit of warmth anything to worry about? I'd imagine that if the system was getting too hot, it would shut down.
You can monitor your CPU and GPU temps to make sure they are within range while playing games. Personally, I use MSI Afterburner.
I just bought a reference 780 Ti and boy does this thing run hot and loud.. I have a Windforce non-reference model and it tops off at around 72c but the reference 780 Ti hits 83c and at times 84c which kicks on throttling.
I've since downloaded Afterburner and set the fan to go 100% at 80c . Now temps tops off at 75c.. I guess it worked but is it ever loud!
I've since downloaded Afterburner and set the fan to go 100% at 80c . Now temps tops off at 75c.. I guess it worked but is it ever loud!
joecanada
Member
Though I do think you are being sincere, I just want to make sure you are before I respond. I mean, this is NeoGAF and all.
$220-300 depending on when sales come around.
That's as cheap as I can recommend, and the price should be a smidgen lower due to prices dropping on a number of the components.
Otherwise, I'd suggest checking out Craigslist or some such thing for a used build.
Thanks a lot, keep in mind I was talking about a mostly web browsing , video streaming, homework machine with the occasional simcity , sims game (gf) not needing 60fps for anything but do want some future proofing.
for the record here is my old case, i think it looks okay?
and my old specs (dont laugh haha)
HL-DT-ST DVD RAM GH22NS30
(would this dvd player be okay to keep ? not used much at all)
and ...
Amd athlon 64X2 dual core processor 5000
Ati radeon HD 3200
pretty much a throwaway here i suppose.
First off, you guys rock for all the help and advice you give. I'm looking to do a partial upgrade soonish and could use some advice.
Current Specs:
I'm looking to replace:
E8400
P5Q Pro
4GB DDR2
OCZ600
I'm thinking to keep for now
2x 500GB HDD
128GB SSD
GeForce GTX 650 OC 1100MHZ 1GB 5.0GHZ GDDR5 (upgrade from last year, yes I know it didn't fit the rest of it)
I'm using Windows 7 but my hope is to keep my current license and then upgrade to 10 later.
Parts I would consider splurging for if it makes sense: Video Card and Case. My current case is fugly but functional.
Budget:$700-800 in Canada
Main Use: Gaming of all types. No video editing.
Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080. I'm not looking to upgrade soon.
I've never had a top end PC to run games really well, so I won't demand any games run at a certain IQ, but I do like to be able to run games well on 'default' settings. 30fps or more, on High quality or better.
I have no deadline for building, but it probably won't happen until early April.
Will you be overclocking?: No, never gotten into it, not sure what I'd be doing.
I did a quick pass through part picker and came up with this:
PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/2KTDXL
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/2KTDXL/by_merchant/
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($258.32 @ TigerDirect Canada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($39.99 @ Memory Express)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($164.95 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Kingston Fury Black Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($79.98 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $623.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-06 23:50 EST-0500
Edit: Also wondering virtues of things like i7-4790K over the i5-4690k for the extra cost.
Current Specs:
I'm looking to replace:
E8400
P5Q Pro
4GB DDR2
OCZ600
I'm thinking to keep for now
2x 500GB HDD
128GB SSD
GeForce GTX 650 OC 1100MHZ 1GB 5.0GHZ GDDR5 (upgrade from last year, yes I know it didn't fit the rest of it
)I'm using Windows 7 but my hope is to keep my current license and then upgrade to 10 later.
Parts I would consider splurging for if it makes sense: Video Card and Case. My current case is fugly but functional.
Budget:$700-800 in Canada
Main Use: Gaming of all types. No video editing.
Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080. I'm not looking to upgrade soon.
I've never had a top end PC to run games really well, so I won't demand any games run at a certain IQ, but I do like to be able to run games well on 'default' settings. 30fps or more, on High quality or better.
I have no deadline for building, but it probably won't happen until early April.
Will you be overclocking?: No, never gotten into it, not sure what I'd be doing.
I did a quick pass through part picker and came up with this:
PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/2KTDXL
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/2KTDXL/by_merchant/
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($258.32 @ TigerDirect Canada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($39.99 @ Memory Express)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($164.95 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Kingston Fury Black Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($79.98 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $623.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-06 23:50 EST-0500
Edit: Also wondering virtues of things like i7-4790K over the i5-4690k for the extra cost.
Better yet, just get an Amp/DAC.
Dreams-Visions
Member
Heads up!
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/corsair...D=1&siteID=AKGBlS8SPlM-vP4HzMfAb4hz47ARCOzrsQ
Corsair K70 RGB with Cherry Browns is back in stock at Best Buy. It was OOS for over 2 months. If you want it, now's the time.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/corsair...D=1&siteID=AKGBlS8SPlM-vP4HzMfAb4hz47ARCOzrsQ
Corsair K70 RGB with Cherry Browns is back in stock at Best Buy. It was OOS for over 2 months. If you want it, now's the time.
Grinchy
Banned
I could buy 17 of my current keyboards for that price!
I'd love a good mechanical keyboard, but god damn that's expensive.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
Hey all, I'm on the fence about picking up some Sennheiser HD598, (probably going to buy).
Is there an elegant wireless solution for getting these to work with my PC? I game on the couch about 6 feet from my computer and really don't want to run the cord across. Is there a good audio transmitter / receiver combo I could use for these? Preferably something optical, not XLR?
Are bluetooth audio adapters any good?
Is there an elegant wireless solution for getting these to work with my PC? I game on the couch about 6 feet from my computer and really don't want to run the cord across. Is there a good audio transmitter / receiver combo I could use for these? Preferably something optical, not XLR?
Are bluetooth audio adapters any good?
The case and DVD drive would be reusable for your budget, although not great. Do you have any old hard drives in there to reuse? Motherboard, CPU, and power supply are junk. Here's a Canadian parts list to work with, closer to your $500 budget:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i3-4130 3.4GHz Dual-Core Processor ($133.32 @ TigerDirect Canada)
Motherboard: ASRock H81M-HDS Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($61.50 @ Vuugo)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.99 @ Memory Express)
Storage: Toshiba Product Series
T01ACA 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($57.99 @ NCIX) Video Card: HIS Radeon R7 260X 2GB IceQ X² Video Card ($139.99 @ Memory Express)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($34.99 @ NCIX)
Total: $502.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-07 06:19 EST-0500
If you do have an old hard drive you can reuse with this new PC and you don't need a lot of storage space, instead of the 1TB hard drive perhaps a small SSD would work well, it will help in making the PC feel a lot more responsive and faster to load.
First off, you guys rock for all the help and advice you give. I'm looking to do a partial upgrade soonish and could use some advice.
Current Specs:
I'm looking to replace:
E8400
P5Q Pro
4GB DDR2
OCZ600
I'm thinking to keep for now
2x 500GB HDD
128GB SSD
GeForce GTX 650 OC 1100MHZ 1GB 5.0GHZ GDDR5 (upgrade from last year, yes I know it didn't fit the rest of it
I'm using Windows 7 but my hope is to keep my current license and then upgrade to 10 later.
Parts I would consider splurging for if it makes sense: Video Card and Case. My current case is fugly but functional.
Budget:$700-800 in Canada
Main Use: Gaming of all types. No video editing.
Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080. I'm not looking to upgrade soon.
I've never had a top end PC to run games really well, so I won't demand any games run at a certain IQ, but I do like to be able to run games well on 'default' settings. 30fps or more, on High quality or better.
I have no deadline for building, but it probably won't happen until early April.
Will you be overclocking?: No, never gotten into it, not sure what I'd be doing.
I did a quick pass through part picker and came up with this:
PCPartPicker part list: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/2KTDXL
Price breakdown by merchant: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/p/2KTDXL/by_merchant/
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($258.32 @ TigerDirect Canada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($39.99 @ Memory Express)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-Gaming 5 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($164.95 @ Vuugo)
Memory: Kingston Fury Black Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($79.99 @ NCIX)
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($79.98 @ Amazon Canada)
Total: $623.23
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-06 23:50 EST-0500
Edit: Also wondering virtues of things like i7-4790K over the i5-4690k for the extra cost.
I'd spend less on the motherboard and choose a different power supply and set of RAM.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($258.32 @ TigerDirect Canada)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($37.98 @ NCIX)
Motherboard: MSI Z97 PC MATE ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($119.99 @ NCIX)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($145.63 @ DirectCanada)
Other: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($76.99)
Total: $638.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-07 06:24 EST-0500
That's a cheaper yet decent motherboard, twice as much RAM that is also faster, and a much better quality power supply for the same price that is also higher capacity.
What sort of case are you looking for? Any specifics in terms of styling or features? A new case will probably fit your budget, but not a new graphics card, at least not one that would be worth replacing the GTX 650 with.
I don't recommend the i7 4790K because games for the foreseeable future won't really make use of the i7's added hyperthreading. If it's mainly just for games, the i5 can and will deliver similar performance, as the 4690K and 4790K are very similar, they are both overclockable quad core processors with the same architecture. The only real difference is the base speed and hyperthreading.
Hovering over the buy button here. Any issues with this?
CPU: Intel Core i3-4340 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor (140.84 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: Asus H81I-PLUS Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory: Kingston Fury Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (74.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (61.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case (89.54 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: Corsair Gaming 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
CPU: Intel Core i3-4340 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor (140.84 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: Asus H81I-PLUS Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory: Kingston Fury Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory (74.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (61.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 2GB Video Card
Case: Fractal Design Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case (89.54 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: Corsair Gaming 600W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
Hey. It is kind of an old Graphicscard and be aware that you cannot overclock the i3. How much is this in total ? Amazon germany is not very cheap when it comes to prices for computer parts. Sometimes you can make really good deals on kleinanzeigen.ebay.de. I also bought my Computer there and got a really good deal.
Will probably have to remove the PSU bracket in the node 304 to get that PSU to fit.
I'm getting the graphics card and PSU from a friend for a good price.
The total is roughly €640. Not including Windows 7 or 8, which is surprisingly hard to find.
How difficult would be to remove the bracket from PSU? This would be the first time I'm building a PC. I would prefer not to break a part in the process.
The total is roughly €640. Not including Windows 7 or 8, which is surprisingly hard to find.
How difficult would be to remove the bracket from PSU? This would be the first time I'm building a PC. I would prefer not to break a part in the process.
Enosh
Member
god buying a pc in the country is a pain
finally put something together in my price range (850-ish € that I'm happy with, just doing a last minute check up here to make sure everything is okay before I send them the mail to go ahead and put it together (after hours now anyway so won't see it until monday), it's some 30€ for them to build it, but I'm really not comfortable with doing it myself and 30€ is less than the 210€ it would cost to replace the CPU if I fuck something up ^^
in the end had to make some concessions, but given that I'm still at a 22" monitor so doing only 1050p gaming it should be enough
specs:
i5 4460
GA-H81M-HD3
GTX 960
8GB 1600 RAM
120GB SSD
1TB WD HDD
Cooler Master G450M
antec VSK4000B
that's all for some 849€, 22% tax on top of the already higher prices due to being a small country fucking sucks ^^ looking at some US dealers I could get the same thing for like 500-600$
a bit concerned about the PSU, but the guy said that 450W should be enough given that I'm not planing on any overclocking and running the spec through some PSU calculators it does say it's enough
970s are sadly too expensive for my budget, so went with a 960, should get the job done at my resolutions and there is always the option to upgrade latter on
motherboard is a bit barebones and was looking at some twice the price stuff at first, but upon thinking about it, I don't think I need 2 PCI-e slots since I prefer a new card over sli, I don't need like 6 sata 3 ports or many USB3 ports, so I decided to just go with something cheaper, no pci-e 3.0 was a concern at first but looking at some test and benchmarks it doesn't seem to matter that much with 1 card
only going with 1 stick of 8GB ram so loosing some performance there, but since the board has only 2 slots that allows me to stick in another 8GB latter on
idk, this was like 2 weeks of researching, looking through videos on youtube etc, did I mess up anything too hard? pretty much last chance to change stuff around, although can't really get over that 850€ budged, so not much room for improvements
sorry for the many post and dumb questions about this over the past few weeks, but I don't care much about hardware except every 5-6 years when I'm looking to upgrade hence not really keeping up with all this stuff, hell I had no idea SSDs existed until I was starting to think of upgrading a few months ago ^^
finally put something together in my price range (850-ish €
that I'm happy with, just doing a last minute check up here to make sure everything is okay before I send them the mail to go ahead and put it together (after hours now anyway so won't see it until monday), it's some 30€ for them to build it, but I'm really not comfortable with doing it myself and 30€ is less than the 210€ it would cost to replace the CPU if I fuck something up ^^in the end had to make some concessions, but given that I'm still at a 22" monitor so doing only 1050p gaming it should be enough
specs:
i5 4460
GA-H81M-HD3
GTX 960
8GB 1600 RAM
120GB SSD
1TB WD HDD
Cooler Master G450M
antec VSK4000B
that's all for some 849€, 22% tax on top of the already higher prices due to being a small country fucking sucks ^^ looking at some US dealers I could get the same thing for like 500-600$
a bit concerned about the PSU, but the guy said that 450W should be enough given that I'm not planing on any overclocking and running the spec through some PSU calculators it does say it's enough
970s are sadly too expensive for my budget, so went with a 960, should get the job done at my resolutions and there is always the option to upgrade latter on
motherboard is a bit barebones and was looking at some twice the price stuff at first, but upon thinking about it, I don't think I need 2 PCI-e slots since I prefer a new card over sli, I don't need like 6 sata 3 ports or many USB3 ports, so I decided to just go with something cheaper, no pci-e 3.0 was a concern at first but looking at some test and benchmarks it doesn't seem to matter that much with 1 card
only going with 1 stick of 8GB ram so loosing some performance there, but since the board has only 2 slots that allows me to stick in another 8GB latter on
idk, this was like 2 weeks of researching, looking through videos on youtube etc, did I mess up anything too hard? pretty much last chance to change stuff around, although can't really get over that 850€ budged, so not much room for improvements
sorry for the many post and dumb questions about this over the past few weeks, but I don't care much about hardware except every 5-6 years when I'm looking to upgrade hence not really keeping up with all this stuff, hell I had no idea SSDs existed until I was starting to think of upgrading a few months ago ^^
If you want to risk it, you can buy Windows on Reddit for about 15
I do not now about the building stuff. I am sorry.
It's 2 screws at the bottom of the case. Undo those and it gives about 20mm extra headroom for PSU depth.
I'd rather get legitimate copy. Even the resellers on Amazon seem a bit shady. Maybe I will have to drop 120 for Windows after all.
Alright, that doesn't sounds doable.
Thanks to both of you. Now to figure out if I really want to spend this much money instead of just buying a PS4 later this year
Out of interest how much are you paying for the other parts?
See if you can get a Fractal Design Core 1000 case and an MATX motherboard.
Everything else looks ok to me.
The motherboard is 79 on Amazon
The graphics card and SPU I can get for roughly 110 from my friend.
Enosh
Member
it is a micro atx motherboard, and I was thinking about a mATX case but wasn't 100% sure, was thinking smaller case, less air so maybe hotter system plus will probably have to watch a bit more which graphics card to buy if I'll upgrade on some point, I assume not all would fit, would look better through, I imagine the small board will look funny in a big case ^^
that model you mentioned doesn't seem to be sold any more anywhere in the country and they only have one mATX case on their site, but I know they have stuff available that isn't on there, so will ask monday if they have any decent mATX cases for around the same price range, give or take maybe 5-10
Heat isn't the issue it used to be. Processors use 75-100 W now, instead of 200+ As well modern cases are made to accommodate larger video cards.
It's no longer a risk, Reddit cracked down hard on Average Joes selling their Windows keys after Microsoft caught on. They now have a revamped Microsoft Software subreddit with a handful of legitimate sellers (normal users can no longer sell keys).
It's still a risk. You don't have any proof of purchase nor a legitimate sticker for the key. Microsoft could revoke it and others have had theirs stop working after 6 months, even from 'legitimate' sellers.
natjjohn
Member
That's the best you'll get, and I still feel it's overpriced, as you can get basically the same thing elsewhere for $150 cheaper. Anyway..
You won't really need a sound card unless you have high end headphones you know won't work with integrated sound (and if that were true, you wouldn't need to ask, most likely) and DVD drives are sort of unnecessary nowadays, with USB drives and online distribution having largely replaced most needs for discs.
You will want a CPU cooler, however, the only one worth buying is out of stock. I recommend you buy the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo from one of these retailers.
Yes, Windows 7 will work just fine. Both Windows 7 and 8/8.1 will be receiving free upgrades to Windows 10, anyway.
So, no issue with using a SSD that's labeled for laptops?
No such thing. Just marketing.
natjjohn
Member
finalflame
Member
Hey guys, here's my build I just put together and am about to pull the trigger on:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($0.00)
Motherboard: MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($309.99)
Memory: Kingston Fury Black Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($124.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($554.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT H440 (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($134.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($151.99 @ Amazon)
Other: Individually Sleeved Cable Set for EVGA B2/G2/P2 Power Supply / PSU (White) - EVGA 100-CW-1300-B9 ($89.99)
Total: $1486.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-07 11:06 EST-0500
Any last minute input? I'll be using existing waterccoling parts to watercool the CPU.
Full tower just fits more stuff inside, might be easier to do cable management. People may say otherwise, but for the most part Full/Mid ATX is a preference unless you have specific needs (fitting a waterccoling radiator, using a humungous heatsink, fit a metric fucload of hard drives). Pick the Full/Mid ATX tower that you think looks best/is rated well for its features.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($0.00)
Motherboard: MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($309.99)
Memory: Kingston Fury Black Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($124.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 4GB Superclocked ACX 2.0 Video Card ($554.99 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT H440 (White/Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($134.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($151.99 @ Amazon)
Other: Individually Sleeved Cable Set for EVGA B2/G2/P2 Power Supply / PSU (White) - EVGA 100-CW-1300-B9 ($89.99)
Total: $1486.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-07 11:06 EST-0500
Any last minute input? I'll be using existing waterccoling parts to watercool the CPU.
Full tower just fits more stuff inside, might be easier to do cable management. People may say otherwise, but for the most part Full/Mid ATX is a preference unless you have specific needs (fitting a waterccoling radiator, using a humungous heatsink, fit a metric fucload of hard drives). Pick the Full/Mid ATX tower that you think looks best/is rated well for its features.
BigMastadon
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor (Purchased For $0.00)
CPU Cooler: Phanteks PH-TC14PE_RD 78.1 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($119.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Kingston Fury Black Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory ($116.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Toshiba Product Series
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 970 4GB WINDFORCE 3X Video Card ($323.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Thermaltake Core V21 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($54.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $807.91
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-06 16:12 EST-0500
You are aware of the GTX 970's memory issues, right? It's your choice, but I feel that the R9 290 is a better card to recommend for slightly less performance at a much lower price, like this Sapphire R9 290 Tri-X for $280 after $20 rebate. The GTX 970 does have its advantages in performance and low noise, though.
I don't know over how long a time period you intended to buy parts, if it's any longer than 2 months, you may be better served by waiting before buying as AMD's new R9 3XX line of graphics cards will be coming out in around that time.
Thanks for the reply! Yeah I'm aware of the 970 bit but I still think it provides the optimal performance that I am looking for. I don't think it'll be much of an issue.
Edit: Just ordered everything and the only substitution I did was on the motherboard but still had a great option chose. Added in a 120 GB SSD and a wireless network adapter as well. Total for everything (minus video card and processor) was $565. Not bad. Now I get to wait for everything to come in -.-.
850W is way way overkill for any single card setup. 550, 600W is good.
GTX 970 or R9 290X is better price
erformance but 980 is understandable if you just want the absolute best thing out there.Absolutely zero need to spend $310 on a motherboard. You could save a ton of money and get an i7 or a huge SSD for the money you're wasting.
Edit: I see now the motherboard isn't $310 but like, $120. lmao. Your setup is fine but change the PSU for something smaller unless you're getting a 2nd 980.
Onimusha78
Member
Just put together my first PC and it's turning on okay with all the fans going. But I'm not getting anything showing up on my tv
At $15 it's a risk worth taking.
Can you be a bit more descriptive? Is there anything else going on? Lights, etc.? Also, did you plug the monitor into your GPU and not the integrated GPU?
Onimusha78
Member
Initially its was turning on and the light for the on switched was turning on too, as well as all of the fans in the case. Yup, I've tried plugging it into the GPU as well as the motherboard. I tried using one RAM stick thing at a time too.
After turning it off multiple times and tying one stick at a time it won't even turn on now...
Edit: It's still making a noise, but it isn't coming from the fans. Okay it's turning on a again lol
finalflame
Member
850W is way way overkill for any single card setup. 550, 600W is good.
GTX 970 or R9 290X is better price
Absolutely zero need to spend $310 on a motherboard. You could save a ton of money and get an i7 or a huge SSD for the money you're wasting.
Edit: I see now the motherboard isn't $310 but like, $120. lmao. Your setup is fine but change the PSU for something smaller unless you're getting a 2nd 980.
Should've clarified that the price on the Mobo is for a CPU+Mobo combo with the 4690K
I do plan on a second 980 down the road, that's why I picked the 850W PSU. Also, it's the cheapest EVGA PSU that supports their OEM sleeved cables. Thanks for the input!
Excellent advice, exactly what I was looking for.
A new case would probably be quiet with 2-4 USB ports on the front. 2 internal HDD slots, 1 SSD slot, 1 DVD drive slot. Styling doesn't matter as it gets put in the desk and ignored until I have to do something to it.
CadetMahoney
Member
Question for those with RAID 0 drives. . .
Can you back/replace up an operating system (or any partition/whole drive) to and from a RAIDed set of drives to a normal single drive without issue
In other words backing up and replacing just like it was an ordinary hard drive to an ordinary drive?
I'm thinking of getting two drives for raid but also want to use my backup software with no issues should something go wrong.
Can you back/replace up an operating system (or any partition/whole drive) to and from a RAIDed set of drives to a normal single drive without issue
In other words backing up and replacing just like it was an ordinary hard drive to an ordinary drive?
I'm thinking of getting two drives for raid but also want to use my backup software with no issues should something go wrong.
lem0n
Member
I read somewhere here that I can buy the OS from Reddit? I don't use Reddit, so how would I go about getting W7/8 from that site?
By the way- here's my updated build list... anyone care to make any changes? I'd like to save a few bucks if I can. I'm so close to pulling the trigger right now... Ideally I'd like to lose the OS and Optical drive. I'm also not too certain I want that Mobo, it just fits my look nicely. I want this to look as good as it performs
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pN79P6
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pN79P6/by_merchant/
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($222.75 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.98 @ OutletPC)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($6.75 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty Z97X Killer ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($62.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($64.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($51.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card ($328.99 @ Directron)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.99 @ Micro Center)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.79 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($249.99 @ NCIX US)
Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K70 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($127.99 @ Best Buy)
Mouse: Corsair Raptor M45 Wired Optical Mouse ($53.46 @ Amazon)
Total: $1607.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-07 13:11 EST-0500
By the way- here's my updated build list... anyone care to make any changes? I'd like to save a few bucks if I can. I'm so close to pulling the trigger right now... Ideally I'd like to lose the OS and Optical drive. I'm also not too certain I want that Mobo, it just fits my look nicely. I want this to look as good as it performs
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pN79P6
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pN79P6/by_merchant/
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($222.75 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($28.98 @ OutletPC)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5g Thermal Paste ($6.75 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty Z97X Killer ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Micro Center)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2133 Memory ($62.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX100 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($64.95 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($51.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 970 4GB STRIX Video Card ($328.99 @ Directron)
Case: Fractal Design Define R4 w/Window (Black Pearl) ATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.99 @ Micro Center)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer ($19.79 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($88.98 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Asus VG248QE 144Hz 24.0" Monitor ($249.99 @ NCIX US)
Keyboard: Corsair Vengeance K70 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($127.99 @ Best Buy)
Mouse: Corsair Raptor M45 Wired Optical Mouse ($53.46 @ Amazon)
Total: $1607.48
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-07 13:11 EST-0500
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