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"I Need a New PC!" 2015 Part 2. Read the OP. Rocking 2500K's until HBM2 and beyond.

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The GPU is exactly the same and made by nVidia. The PCB and all the components (the 'card') on it though are MSI and EVGA's own design. Essentially the biggest difference between vendors are things like power delivery and the cooler.
You can't really go wrong with MSI, EVGA, Gigabyte, Asus, Zotac, Galax, Palit or a bunch of others.
Most of the benchmarks testing cooling isn't necessarily going to give you a completely accurate representation of what's a better cooler either because even that can have minor variances.
Do a bit of research on one you like the look of (and if it matters, costs less) and check if it's got any problems. If not, buy it.

Going into pc gaming, I wasn't expecting aesthetics actually being a factor so it's pretty cool to know this now. Thanks!
 

Manp

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3. The drive cages in this case (Corsair 750D) are pretty shit. The HDD in particular had to be forced extremely hard to fit in with the way the tabs worked.

it looks like you have the hard drive installed facing the wrong way. in drive cages like those the hard drives are usually installed with the connectors facing the other way, to the back

like this:
T6L1b8a.jpg

cables go in the back. this way they won't press against the side panel.

and for the love of god fix that cable management :D
 

kami_sama

Member
I want to buy a ssd for my laptop, and I'm torn between two of them.
I can buy the 850 evo 500GB for 147€ and the MX200 500GB for 159€. I suppose the first one is the best, in both performance and price, but I want to be sure.
 

Vuze

Member
Alright, got my 4790k installed and seems to be running fine @4,5GHz / 1,2 vCore, rendered a few videos in the past hours and no problems whatsoever. max temp I recorded throughout was 70 degrees Celsius, so that should be fine too :) Gave me a pretty massive boost during x264 rendering (I "benchmarked" a few video projects to test before I swapped CPUs), so I'm happy with that. Thanks again for the recommendation!

I wonder if it would be beneficial to push the overclock even more. I tried 4,7GHz @ 1,2 vCore and Windows blue-screened right after the login screen so I guess I'd have to increase voltage (which means more heat, right? Higher clock at same voltage = ~same temps?). It's my first CPU overclock, so sorry for the beginner questions. I know 1,4 vCore is basically the max you should use for the 4790k.
 

Jharp

Member
WD should have software to test and show the HDD health. Also, the HDDs connectors should be facing the other way so you can run and hide the cables behind the MB tray. You should try to route all the cables coming from the PSU through the closest 2 holes with the plastic covering, and thus, hiding them behind the MB. Then, you thread the wires through the closest openings to whatever connectors you are using. This would make your wire management much cleaner.

Oh, now I see. You installed the hard drive backwards. The plugs are supposed to be facing the other side of the case. See here for an example. That's why it was so tight and difficult to install.

Ah, I see. I'll make sure to fix that.

Lastly, it seems that you can't transfer free Windows 10 upgrades between PCs? At least according to this article. So am I shit out of luck and need to buy a new Windows key? Or is there some way to deactivate it on my current system, and then transfer it to the new one?
 

LilJoka

Member
Alright, got my 4790k installed and seems to be running fine @4,5GHz / 1,2 vCore, rendered a few videos in the past hours and no problems whatsoever. max temp I recorded throughout was 70 degrees Celsius, so that should be fine too :) Gave me a pretty massive boost during x264 rendering (I "benchmarked" a few video projects to test before I swapped CPUs), so I'm happy with that. Thanks again for the recommendation!

I wonder if it would be beneficial to push the overclock even more. I tried 4,7GHz @ 1,2 vCore and Windows blue-screened right after the login screen so I guess I'd have to increase voltage (which means more heat, right? Higher clock at same voltage = ~same temps?). It's my first CPU overclock, so sorry for the beginner questions. I know 1,4 vCore is basically the max you should use for the 4790k.

More vcore means more heat as you've said. With more clock speeds at the same vcore it makes some difference still as it'll require more current. Work done = power x time. Power = volts x current. So more clocks, same voltage, more work done per second means current must increase.
 

LilJoka

Member
I think it's time for me too.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=190405985

Would anyone be interested in buying most of a rig?
Something like this
Lian Li PC345b (one faint mark on the side panel)
i7 3960x @ 4.5Ghz ~1.32v, it will do 4.7Ghz 1.38v.
4x4Gb Samsung Green at CL10 1.55v 2133mhz
Corsair TX650 modular psu
EK L120 water cooling (120x120x38mm panaflo fan and the ek 120mm fan for push pull)
Asus Rampage Gene IV

You will need a new GPU and Storage device.
I have most of the boxes for the parts too, probably all except CPU and Ram.


I'm in the UK, London Heathrow area. Pm me if interested. I'm prepared to sell for a much lower price than retail considering just the CPU value.
 

RGM79

Member
Hi, RGM79. The PC will be used mostly for gaming, hey. Let's say I can afford to go for the 6700K as I already have a decent PC at hand (970, 256GB SSD, and 1TB HDD). I was thinking that maybe I can just go for the 6700 rather and go for 16GB of decent gaming RAM? What do you think? Thanks for the reply, btw:).

The i7 6700 isn't a bad processor at all, I'm just saying that if overclocking is important to you, the i7 6700K is preferable for easier overclocking. While non-K overclocking is promising, it's still kind of early for me to wholeheartedly recommend it. If you want to save money while keeping your overclocking options open, consider the i5 6600K?

The 4570 in my current htpc is really starting to piss me off with its aging and loud fan.. I need a new low profile VGA recommendation to replace that. Something that will not use much power, preferrably passively cooled, and can enable 720p gaming for last gen titles would be great. I would rather stick with AMD if possible.. Recommendations GAF?

Passively cooled options are few and far between. What country are you in? From a quick search, the best options I can find are the Asus GTX 750 and Palit GTX 750 Ti KalmX. The Palit is the more powerful card, but only appears to be available in Europe. The Asus is available in the US, though. I imagine both should be able to handle 720p gaming just fine.

Otherwise if you want even more power, consider buying a regular graphics card but change the VGA cooler for a passive one. Arctic Cooling has their Accelero S3 cooler which is fanless and can handle graphics cards like the stronger GTX 960 and R7 370, but keep in mind some graphics card manufacturers consider the warranty to be void if you remove the original cooler.

Ah, I see. I'll make sure to fix that.

Lastly, it seems that you can't transfer free Windows 10 upgrades between PCs? At least according to this article. So am I shit out of luck and need to buy a new Windows key? Or is there some way to deactivate it on my current system, and then transfer it to the new one?
Can I still buy Windows 7 and upgrade to 10 instead of buying 10?

As far as I know, Microsoft's thinking is that they want you to upgrade existing PCs with older versions of Windows to Windows 10. The promotion isn't intended to allow users to score free/cheap copies of Windows 10 to install on newer PCs. They can't cover all scenarios, though. Yes, you can purchase Windows 7 and then upgrade to Windows 10, but if you're buying a new retail copy, Windows 7 is actually quite expensive at around $140 compared to just buying Windows 10 at $90. The cheapest option is to get a Windows 7/8/8.1 key from reddit for ~$15 and then upgrade to Windows 10. Let me post my usual disclaimer:
Cheap Windows licenses can be bought from reddit's microsoftsoftwareswap for cheap, around $15 USD or less. Windows 10 licenses are also available for a bit more. These are most likely legitimate keys that are resold from educational programs like Technet or MSDNAA/Dreamspark. However, you are dealing with a person instead of a retailer, and informal Windows keys sales are not approved by Microsoft and probably breaking some licensing agreement, but it's not illegal. The risks involved are that the person could be selling you a fake or used key, or that Microsoft may refuse to give you support and/or deactivate your license and refuse to reactivate it. That's not very likely, usually it only happens if the seller and their list of sold keys was caught. We've had people here using those keys without issues for a long time and others who say Microsoft deactivated their key after several months. The 7/8/8.1 keys should be upgradeable to Windows 10, but confirm with the seller to be sure, of course.​
 
The i7 6700 isn't a bad processor at all, I'm just saying that if overclocking is important to you, the i7 6700K is preferable for easier overclocking. While non-K overclocking is promising, it's still kind of early for me to wholeheartedly recommend it. If you want to save money while keeping your overclocking options open, consider the i5 6600K?
Overclocking is not important to me, hey. Just want to get a CPU that will still be viable in the next 5 years. That is all. I will also consider the i5 6600K, thanks. And can I ask, what Z170 mobo do you prefer? Apart from the MSI I linked earlier, a few others have piqued my interest that I have come across the Internet today.
 

Enordash

Member
Hey, GAF people. I was hoping for a little advice.

I want to upgrade my PC to prep for the Rift coming in Q1. I was looking at this GTX 970. I don't know if my budget would allow anything more expensive.

Anyone see an issue with just jumping on this upgrade? Would it really benefit me to wait a month or two? I was going to grab RS:S with it instead of buying that separately which is also a driving factor in the immediate upgrade.

Maybe I'm better off trying to scrape up more money if at all possible?
 

KurtFehl

Member
Guys. I need a relatively simple PC. It's going to be for very basic usage. I don't know what's a good budget for such a PC, but please if you have a part list let me know. A family member asked me if I could build him one. He said he wanted it for work related things. also, he doesn't want a laptop. Any ideas please!
I asked this a page or 2 ago. Since then I did a little bit of research. Is this okay for an HTPC?

[PCPartPicker part list](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mtgTGX) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mtgTGX/by_merchant/)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [AMD 3850 1.3GHz Quad-Core Processor](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-sd3850jahmbox) | $28.99 @ NCIX US
**Motherboard** | [ASRock AM1B-ITX Mini ITX AM1 Motherboard](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-am1bitx) | $34.99 @ Micro Center
**Memory** | [Kingston 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-memory-kvr16n11s84) | $17.99 @ SuperBiiz
**Memory** | [Kingston 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-memory-kvr16n11s84) | $17.99 @ SuperBiiz
**Storage** | [Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-internal-hard-drive-sv300s37a120g) | $44.98 @ OutletPC
**Case** | [Diablotek DIAMOND ATX Mid Tower Case w/400W Power Supply](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/diablotek-case-cpa0170) | $27.99 @ Micro Center
| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
| **Total** | **$172.93**
| Generated by [PCPartPicker](http://pcpartpicker.com) 2015-12-25 14:16 EST
 

knitoe

Member
Overclocking is not important to me, hey. Just want to get a CPU that will still be viable in the next 5 years. That is all. I will also consider the i5 6600K, thanks. And can I ask, what Z170 mobo do you prefer? Apart from the MSI I linked earlier, a few others have piqued my interest that I have come across the Internet today.

If you want a more viable cpu for the next 5 years, the 6600K, when overclock, is the better option. That's why the thread title has a 2500K while 2500 is not. And, today, overclocking a 6600K @ 4.5-4.7GHz makes a difference in some games. As time goes by, even more so.
 
Wound up building a second PC, gonna use my old 2500K for running a bunch of virtual machines and some occasional gaming. Can anybody recommend a decent cheap 4 GB graphics card to put in there for that occasional gaming part?

Haven't compared lower end parts in quite a while.
 

RGM79

Member
Overclocking is not important to me, hey. Just want to get a CPU that will still be viable in the next 5 years. That is all. I will also consider the i5 6600K, thanks. And can I ask, what Z170 mobo do you prefer? Apart from the MSI I linked earlier, a few others have piqued my interest that I have come across the Internet today.

I've been recommending the Gigabyte Z170XP-SLI because it's at a decent price and has good average user review scores and still has nice features like USB 3.1.

I asked this a page or 2 ago. Since then I did a little bit of research. Is this okay for an HTPC?

[PCPartPicker part list](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mtgTGX) / [Price breakdown by merchant](http://pcpartpicker.com/p/mtgTGX/by_merchant/)

Type|Item|Price
:----|:----|:----
**CPU** | [AMD 3850 1.3GHz Quad-Core Processor](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/amd-cpu-sd3850jahmbox) | $28.99 @ NCIX US
**Motherboard** | [ASRock AM1B-ITX Mini ITX AM1 Motherboard](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-am1bitx) | $34.99 @ Micro Center
**Memory** | [Kingston 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-memory-kvr16n11s84) | $17.99 @ SuperBiiz
**Memory** | [Kingston 4GB (1 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-memory-kvr16n11s84) | $17.99 @ SuperBiiz
**Storage** | [Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/kingston-internal-hard-drive-sv300s37a120g) | $44.98 @ OutletPC
**Case** | [Diablotek DIAMOND ATX Mid Tower Case w/400W Power Supply](http://pcpartpicker.com/part/diablotek-case-cpa0170) | $27.99 @ Micro Center
| *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* |
| **Total** | **$172.93**
| Generated by [PCPartPicker](http://pcpartpicker.com) 2015-12-25 14:16 EST

Did you miss my reply? I made two different parts lists for you.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($64.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H-A Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($50.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.98 @ OutletPC)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($17.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $248.71
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-25 01:59 EST-0500

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($85.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A78M-D3H Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($51.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.98 @ OutletPC)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($17.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $265.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-25 02:04 EST-0500

Depending on what you're doing with the PC, an AMD APU system might be preferable. The AMD PC has stronger graphics performance but somewhat weaker CPU performance. You can swap the hard drives with SSDs if you don't need that much storage space.​
As for your parts list that you just posted, you might find that AMD 3850 processor somewhat weak. Also, I would recommend against that SSD, it's very poorly performing. Also, Diablotek power supplies aren't that reliable. Is ~$250 too much to ask, and would he prefer to spend less or more? The parts list can be tweaked to fit his needs.

Wound up building a second PC, gonna use my old 2500K for running a bunch of virtual machines and some occasional gaming. Can anybody recommend a decent cheap 4 GB graphics card to put in there for that occasional gaming part?

Haven't compared lower end parts in quite a while.

What are your PC's specs? For a graphics card for 4GB VRAM, I'd consider the GTX 960 or R9 380.

So I got this ram for Christmas today: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00D2LGT5E/?tag=neogaf0e-20

and I was wondering if I should remove my old ram completely, or just leave it in and add the new ram to it. Here is what I currently have:
U7eyjxs.png


If it matters, I'm going to be using this new motherboard: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00M9A5Q12/?tag=neogaf0e-20

Depends on what you'll be doing. Generally speaking 8GB is enough for most cases, but there's nothing wrong with 16GB. I don't really see a reason not to use all of the RAM.

Also, that motherboard only supports running RAM at 1600MHz at best, but it will still work with the new RAM, any RAM you have installed will run at a lower supported speed.
 

KurtFehl

Member
I've been recommending the Gigabyte Z170XP-SLI because it's at a decent price and has good average user review scores and still has nice features like USB 3.1.



Did you miss my reply? I made two different parts lists for you.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Pentium G3258 3.2GHz Dual-Core Processor ($64.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H-A Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($50.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.98 @ OutletPC)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($17.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $248.71
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-25 01:59 EST-0500

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: AMD A10-5800K 3.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($85.99 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-F2A78M-D3H Micro ATX FM2+ Motherboard ($51.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.98 @ OutletPC)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($17.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $265.93
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-25 02:04 EST-0500

Depending on what you're doing with the PC, an AMD APU system might be preferable. The AMD PC has stronger graphics performance but somewhat weaker CPU performance. You can swap the hard drives with SSDs if you don't need that much storage space.​
As for your parts list that you just posted, you might find that AMD 3850 processor somewhat weak. Also, I would recommend against that SSD, it's very poorly performing. Also, Diablotek power supplies aren't that reliable. Is ~$250 too much to ask, and would he prefer to spend less or more? The parts list can be tweaked to fit his needs.



What are your PC's specs? For a graphics card for 4GB VRAM, I'd consider the GTX 960 or R9 380.



Depends on what you'll be doing. Generally speaking 8GB is enough for most cases, but there's nothing wrong with 16GB. I don't really see a reason not to use all of the RAM.

Also, that motherboard only supports running RAM at 1600MHz at best, but it will still work with the new RAM, any RAM you have installed will run at a lower supported speed.
I went back looking for your post and I cannot find it. I checked twice to make sure I'm not going crazy.

And he was looking to spend $200 for simple HTPC that can basically do web browsing, email, and 1080p YouTube playback. It's not going to be used for any gaming whatsoever. Work related only.
 
RGM7 said:
What are your PC's specs? For a graphics card for 4GB VRAM, I'd consider the GTX 960 or R9 380.

That machine has an i5 2500K, 16GB of RAM and a 3 TB HDD. It just needs a video card to work. Probably run W10 on it, throw in another 16 GB of RAM for virtual box.
 

Ensirius

Member
So I got this dilemma.

I got an i5 2500k pc with an old gtx 560 ti. My asrock mobo is super unstable for overclocking and I have ran into some memory issues lately.

Question is: should I buy a completely new pc with a 1200 budget that will last me for a long while or should I just buy a gtx 760 4 gb?

Thanks!
 

Crisium

Member
So I got this dilemma.

I got an i5 2500k pc with an old gtx 560 ti. My asrock mobo is super unstable for overclocking and I have ran into some memory issues lately.

Question is: should I buy a completely new pc with a 1200 budget that will last me for a long while or should I just buy a gtx 760 4 gb?

Thanks!

Why would you buy a GTX 760 4gb? Do you have an exceptionally good deal or something?
 

RayStorm

Member
The 4570 in my current htpc is really starting to piss me off with its aging and loud fan.. I need a new low profile VGA recommendation to replace that. Something that will not use much power, preferrably passively cooled, and can enable 720p gaming for last gen titles would be great. I would rather stick with AMD if possible.. Recommendations GAF?

Since you need a low profile card your options are somewhat limited. Doubly so if you desire it to be passively cooled. Seems the best would be either a Geforce GT730 or Radeon R4 240.

So I got this dilemma.

I got an i5 2500k pc with an old gtx 560 ti. My asrock mobo is super unstable for overclocking and I have ran into some memory issues lately.

Question is: should I buy a completely new pc with a 1200 budget that will last me for a long while or should I just buy a gtx 760 4 gb?

That is an odd dilemma indeed, assuming you wouldn't buy a completely new PC with a gtx 760 with 4gb (which in itself seems to be a somewhat unreasonable combination). Why not buy a GPU yo uwould actually buy for a new build any way and see how that works for you and then deciding on whether to upgrade more or not?
 

Ensirius

Member
Why would you buy a GTX 760 4gb? Do you have an exceptionally good deal or something?

Is this a bad choice for a new gpu?

That is an odd dilemma indeed, assuming you wouldn't buy a completely new PC with a gtx 760 with 4gb (which in itself seems to be a somewhat unreasonable combination). Why not buy a GPU yo uwould actually buy for a new build any way and see how that works for you and then deciding on whether to upgrade more or not?
The thing is I get a 20% discount with my purchase which makes buying a new build a somewhat better choice. Plus my PC is years old already and is in need of an overall upgrade.
 

RGM79

Member
That machine has an i5 2500K, 16GB of RAM and a 3 TB HDD. It just needs a video card to work. Probably run W10 on it, throw in another 16 GB of RAM for virtual box.

What about the power supply wattage? Will the processor or graphics card be overclocked?

I went back looking for your post and I cannot find it. I checked twice to make sure I'm not going crazy.

And he was looking to spend $200 for simple HTPC that can basically do web browsing, email, and 1080p YouTube playback. It's not going to be used for any gaming whatsoever. Work related only.

Well, $200 is a bit hard to work with, but it's doable. I think the Intel parts list above but with an Intel Celeron G1820 and 4GB of RAM will fit the budget and perform alright for his needs.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant
CPU: Intel Celeron G1820 2.7GHz Dual-Core Processor ($36.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B85M-DS3H-A Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($50.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 320GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($25.00 @ Amazon)
Case: Cooler Master N200 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($17.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $195.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-25 18:51 EST-0500

Is this a bad choice for a new gpu?

The thing is I get a 20% discount with my purchase which makes buying a new build a somewhat better choice. Plus my PC is years old already and is in need of an overall upgrade.

The GTX 760 is old and discontinued. What country are you in and what retailers are you looking at? I'd recommend a new PC as well if your current motherboard and RAM aren't working properly.
 

Hypron

Member
Hey, GAF people. I was hoping for a little advice.

I want to upgrade my PC to prep for the Rift coming in Q1. I was looking at this GTX 970. I don't know if my budget would allow anything more expensive.

Anyone see an issue with just jumping on this upgrade? Would it really benefit me to wait a month or two? I was going to grab RS:S with it instead of buying that separately which is also a driving factor in the immediate upgrade.

Maybe I'm better off trying to scrape up more money if at all possible?

The next generation of graphics cards likely won't come out for another 6 months or so - waiting 2 months isn't going to make a difference IMO. I reckon buy now using boxing day deals to save money.
 

Ensirius

Member
The GTX 760 is old and discontinued. What country are you in and what retailers are you looking at? I'd recommend a new PC as well if your current motherboard and RAM aren't working properly.
I am such an idiot. Gtx 970 4gb is what I meant to say.
 
I don't think anybody really knows what kind of GPU power the VR games will need yet? I know there are 'recommended' specs already but I trust those about as far as I can throw them right now.
 
Looking to pair up my single 980ti with a decent monitor. And found a Dell S2716DG.

Monitor specifications:

  • Crystal clear motion: Experience sharp and undistorted moving images with NVIDIA G-SyncTM and the fastest refresh rate at 144 Hz for sharp, jitter-free graphics that drastically reduce motion blur. Leave lag time behind: Enjoy incredibly swift and responsive gameplay with minimum input lag at an extremely rapid 1ms panel response time.
  • Bask in every detail: Enjoy vivid edge-to-edge gameplay with the new Dell 27 Gaming Monitor, equipped with crisp QHD resolution (2560 x 1440)- that's 3.68 million pixels - giving you close to two times more details on screen than Full HD.
  • Made to game your way: With tilt, pivot, swivel and height adjustable features, you can find your ideal viewing position and game for long hours comfortably. Effortless connectivity: Connect easily to secondary devices and peripherals like your headphones, mouse and keyboard with its wide range of ports, including an HDMI 1.4, DisplayPort 1.2, and 4 USB 3.0 downstream ports.
  • Console play at your command: Hook up the Dell 27 Gaming Monitor to your PC via the DP1.2, and add another secondary device - like your gaming console of choice - via the HDMI for simultaneous entertainment options.
  • Connectivity 1 HDMI 1.4 connector 1 DP 1.2 connector 4 x USB3.0 1 x Audio Line-out) 1 x Headphone port

I've got a budget for about £500'ish, I don't want to go over £600
Or does anyone got a better recommendation?
 

Zacillac

Neo Member
So, I'm needing some advice since I don't want to spend too much money on upgrading my rig if it's really not necessary (I tend to always want the latest and greatest).

I just got myself two EVGA Classified 980ti cards to put in SLI, but can't decide if it'll be worth upgrading my motherboard/ram/cpu. I currently have a Maximus VI Formula (CPU fan header has been broken for a year and been a real pet-peeve) with 16GB of ram and an i7 4771 (non-K, one mistake I really regret).

My main goal is to be able to handle Oculus to the best of my rig's ability when it launches next year.

So what do yall think? Worth upgrading to a 6700K and the rest of the necessary hardware to support it?
 

RGM79

Member
So, I'm needing some advice since I don't want to spend too much money on upgrading my rig if it's really not necessary (I tend to always want the latest and greatest).

I just got myself two EVGA Classified 980ti cards to put in SLI, but can't decide if it'll be worth upgrading my motherboard/ram/cpu. I currently have a Maximus VI Formula (CPU fan header has been broken for a year and been a real pet-peeve) with 16GB of ram and an i7 4771 (non-K, one mistake I really regret).

My main goal is to be able to handle Oculus to the best of my rig's ability when it launches next year.

So what do yall think? Worth upgrading to a 6700K and the rest of the necessary hardware to support it?

There's not that big of a leap in performance between your i7 4771 and i7 6700K. In fact, you'd be paying around $600+ for what amounts to maybe a 20% performance increase in certain situations (in games it'll be even less of a difference if any).
 

Zacillac

Neo Member
There's not that big of a leap in performance between your i7 4771 and i7 6700K. In fact, you'd be paying around $600+ for what amounts to maybe a 20% performance increase in certain situations (in games it'll be even less of a difference if any).

I didn't realize that it was that insignificant of a difference. Thanks! Maybe I'll just do other, much needed, upgrades to the desk area instead after some time with the new cards to make sure I don't want to upgrade for just the hell of it.
 
I still have an i5 2500K with a HD 6850 (and only a 430W PSU). What would be a good upgrade on the gpu for $200? I was thinking of a 960, but would it be better to get something cheaper for now and save the money for when I can do a bigger upgrade?
 

RGM79

Member
I still have an i5 2500K with a HD 6850 (and only a 430W PSU). What would be a good upgrade on the gpu for $200? I was thinking of a 960, but would it be better to get something cheaper for now and save the money for when I can do a bigger upgrade?

What model of power supply do you have? With just 430 watts (or possibly less) you're limited to Nvidia graphics cards as contemporary AMD graphics cards can draw more wattage and that might be an issue if you're also overclocking. You could upgrade now, but what games are you playing that you feel the HD6850 can't handle well? Something like a GTX 750 Ti would be a moderate performance boost compared to your existing graphics card but should probably work with your existing PSU. If you wish to upgrade to an even better graphics card in the future, keep in mind that you'll likely need a new power supply.

You might be better served in the long run if you just save for the bigger upgrade and a new PSU and skip getting a new graphics card now.
 
What about the power supply wattage? Will the processor or graphics card be overclocked?

No OC since it's mostly for running virtual machines. It has a 650W Antec Earthwatts unit in it. I'd be tempted to throw my 970 back in it but it's hard to justify the cost of an upgrade since it'll only get used for occasional light gaming.

Definitely going to get a better CPU cooler since it's a 5 year old stock one that's gotten loud as heck in its old age.

A not real noisy graphics card would be pretty desirable as well since it'll be on all the time.
 
What model of power supply do you have? With just 430 watts (or possibly less) you're limited to Nvidia graphics cards as contemporary AMD graphics cards can draw more wattage and that might be an issue if you're also overclocking. You could upgrade now, but what games are you playing that you feel the HD6850 can't handle well? Something like a GTX 750 Ti would be a moderate performance boost compared to your existing graphics card but should probably work with your existing PSU. If you wish to upgrade to an even better graphics card in the future, keep in mind that you'll likely need a new power supply.

You might be better served in the long run if you just save for the bigger upgrade and a new PSU and skip getting a new graphics card now.

Thanks, I have the Corsair CX430. There isn't anything that is particularly bad with the 6850, but I would like to pick up the witcher 3 and have it perform well at 1080p. If that's possible with my 6850 I probably will just hold off. thanks for the info!
 

Sofa King

Member
Got my sons PC parts opened today. Notable was that the EVGA power supply was bent in its shell (not quite square). Tried to give it a go and when everything is put together, the keyboard lights up but when the power is turned on it lights for a second at the power button and then it turns immediately off. The fan spins for a second too and off it goes. Does this sound like the power supply is bad?
 

RGM79

Member
Thanks, I have the Corsair CX430. There isn't anything that is particularly bad with the 6850, but I would like to pick up the witcher 3 and have it perform well at 1080p. If that's possible with my 6850 I probably will just hold off. thanks for the info!

The HD6850 should be able to handle TW3 at low to medium settings, depending on the resolution. This is going off anecdotal evidence like this reddit post and this youtube video.

No OC since it's mostly for running virtual machines. It has a 650W Antec Earthwatts unit in it. I'd be tempted to throw my 970 back in it but it's hard to justify the cost of an upgrade since it'll only get used for occasional light gaming.

Definitely going to get a better CPU cooler since it's a 5 year old stock one that's gotten loud as heck in its old age.

A not real noisy graphics card would be pretty desirable as well since it'll be on all the time.
Well, what sort of case do you have? We can recommend a CPU cooler as well, just need to make sure it fits in the case. How much do you think you'll be comfortable spending on both a CPU cooler and a graphics card?

Got my sons PC parts opened today. Notable was that the EVGA power supply was bent in its shell (not quite square). Tried to give it a go and when everything is put together, the keyboard lights up but when the power is turned on it lights for a second at the power button and then it turns immediately off. The fan spins for a second too and off it goes. Does this sound like the power supply is bad?

What are the PC's specs? Try the paper clip test to see if the power supply will turn on by itself.
 

Qwyjibo

Member
Looking for some advice on a new build:

This is the first time I'm putting together a list of parts since I bought my current PC mid-2010. I've Frankenstein-ed this build from reading tons of other people's builds/suggestions. I will be getting someone competent to put it all together due to my inexperience and fear of screwing something up.

I need help with a motherboard and power supply. And possibly any other suggestions to this.

This will be primarily for gaming, and of course just regular day to day things. I have a Dell U2715H monitor so I'll be looking to game at 1440p and hopefully high-very high quality. It's a 60hz monitor so I'm not expecting anything crazy in terms of FPS.

After looking over possibilities that could fill the gaps in my build, probably around $1500-1550 total, give or take a few bucks. I'm in Canada where the price of all PC parts suck.


My Partspicker list so far:

Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory
Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive
Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
MSI Radeon R9 390 8GB Video Card
Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case
LG UH12NS30 Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer
Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit)

Total $1313.13

- I'm looking to future-proof myself a bit so that's why I'd like to go with the 6600k. Also the DDR4 RAM which I've read that only certain mobos will use for now. DDR4 and DDR3 are priced fairly closely right now anyways.

- From everything I've read that R9 390 should be a good value for now. If in a year or 2, prices for better cards go down, I'm open to upgrading there.

- I know little about differences in mobos other than what I've read recently planning for this. I know I'll need LGA1151 but beyond that, mATX vs ATX, whatever else... help!

- PSU, again, I know very little. I don't plan on any multi-GPU setups in the future so no need to plan for that. Help!

- Case and cpu cooler, I went with whatever was cheap and had good reviews. I don't care about aesthetics at all. I do need USB ports on the front of the case though. My main concern is proper cooling and that everything works well. I'm not concerned about noise either. Would I need more fans?! If there are better options for a case, I'm open to suggestions.

- I probably won't be overclocking right away but it is something I'd like to explore down the line.

- And yes, I do want a blu-ray reader. I'm planning to use this+required software to play region locked blu-rays.

Thanks
 
Hey, GAF people. I was hoping for a little advice.

I want to upgrade my PC to prep for the Rift coming in Q1. I was looking at this GTX 970. I don't know if my budget would allow anything more expensive.

Anyone see an issue with just jumping on this upgrade? Would it really benefit me to wait a month or two? I was going to grab RS:S with it instead of buying that separately which is also a driving factor in the immediate upgrade.

Maybe I'm better off trying to scrape up more money if at all possible?

https://jet.com/product/Zotac-ZT-90...08-GHz-Core-/e7f49c84a9a34b4f87f40cfe506e5491

Use the 20NOW code to discount another $50. Hope that helps ya.
 

Jharp

Member
The i7 6700 isn't a bad processor at all, I'm just saying that if overclocking is important to you, the i7 6700K is preferable for easier overclocking. While non-K overclocking is promising, it's still kind of early for me to wholeheartedly recommend it. If you want to save money while keeping your overclocking options open, consider the i5 6600K?



Passively cooled options are few and far between. What country are you in? From a quick search, the best options I can find are the Asus GTX 750 and Palit GTX 750 Ti KalmX. The Palit is the more powerful card, but only appears to be available in Europe. The Asus is available in the US, though. I imagine both should be able to handle 720p gaming just fine.

Otherwise if you want even more power, consider buying a regular graphics card but change the VGA cooler for a passive one. Arctic Cooling has their Accelero S3 cooler which is fanless and can handle graphics cards like the stronger GTX 960 and R7 370, but keep in mind some graphics card manufacturers consider the warranty to be void if you remove the original cooler.




As far as I know, Microsoft's thinking is that they want you to upgrade existing PCs with older versions of Windows to Windows 10. The promotion isn't intended to allow users to score free/cheap copies of Windows 10 to install on newer PCs. They can't cover all scenarios, though. Yes, you can purchase Windows 7 and then upgrade to Windows 10, but if you're buying a new retail copy, Windows 7 is actually quite expensive at around $140 compared to just buying Windows 10 at $90. The cheapest option is to get a Windows 7/8/8.1 key from reddit for ~$15 and then upgrade to Windows 10. Let me post my usual disclaimer:
Cheap Windows licenses can be bought from reddit's microsoftsoftwareswap for cheap, around $15 USD or less. Windows 10 licenses are also available for a bit more. These are most likely legitimate keys that are resold from educational programs like Technet or MSDNAA/Dreamspark. However, you are dealing with a person instead of a retailer, and informal Windows keys sales are not approved by Microsoft and probably breaking some licensing agreement, but it's not illegal. The risks involved are that the person could be selling you a fake or used key, or that Microsoft may refuse to give you support and/or deactivate your license and refuse to reactivate it. That's not very likely, usually it only happens if the seller and their list of sold keys was caught. We've had people here using those keys without issues for a long time and others who say Microsoft deactivated their key after several months. The 7/8/8.1 keys should be upgradeable to Windows 10, but confirm with the seller to be sure, of course.​

Grabbed one for $35 and it worked just fine, thanks for the tip! Now I just need to run to Fry's and grab a new SATA 3 cable and my new PC will be good to go. As always, you bros have been real bros. Thanks for all your help picking my build and giving me tips during the setup process.
 

RGM79

Member
What can $1500 get me around here?

How does something like this look?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($275.99 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170XP-SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($133.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($157.17 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB FTW ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($614.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Define S w/Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($43.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1397.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-25 21:41 EST-0500

It might also be possible to move up to an i7 5820K under the same budget.
 

Slixshot

Banned
How does something like this look?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($275.99 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170XP-SLI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($133.55 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2800 Memory ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($157.17 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6GB FTW ACX 2.0+ Video Card ($614.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Fractal Design Define S w/Window ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($43.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1397.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-25 21:41 EST-0500

It might also be possible to move up to an i7 5820K under the same budget.

I know very little about PC Parts... first Desktop PC!! So... I think it looks good! But that doesn't really mean anything lol :)
 
Man anyone know any good sales on a 1TB external USB3.0 HDD for my Xbone? Hoping this fixes it otherwise it's dead. I've looked everywhere I can think of. Cheapest I have seen is like $55. Anyone know if the bigger bulkier ones will work on Xbone as long as they are USB3.0?
 
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