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ekim

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I'm gonna have to check the Event Log next time this happens. To be sure which tab am I meant to be checking for errors? I'll check my CPUs tomorrow morning. If you don't mind I may PM you later tomorrow also around this time!

In your experience what is this symptomatic of? Seems like such a weird crash to have that will be a bitch to pinpoint.

The bolded is true but I encountered it quite a few times and managed to fix it most of the times. PM is the best here I agree.

Most probably you will find errors in the system or application tab in the event viewer. You should also filter the result list to critical and error level events.
 

Bloodember

Member
Yes drivers are up to date. It's a gtx 720 just waiting for the 480 vs 1060 prices to settle. But it's a common issue I googled it. It switches to tablet mode and all sorts of crap

Edit - I should clarify mirror screens is fine but extending them and then sending windows to the second or turning the second off messes the first up.

Is it a common issue with your card? I extend my desktop with two screens. I have a 480 and have used AMD cards for the last 10 years.

BIOS is up to date. last i checked, newest BIOS was a 2013 release

wait, PSU going bad?
how do i check that? (i usually use a multimeter tool checking the 12V lane)
my experience with bad PSU usually auto-restart itself while under load (not crash/hang)

I just tried another PSU.
 

abbyabs

Member
Anyone here use i3 6100 with RX 480 and game at 1080p? I'm planning on using this setup until next year and see what Zen or kaby lake.
 

kromeo

Member
If you had to choose between

  • 1440p
  • 144hz
  • and G-Sync/FreeSync

what display would you get?

You can get 1440p freesync monitors for fairly cheap if you've got an AMD card. Personally I'd rather lose the 144hz than have to go all the way back down to 1080p but a lot of people will say the opposite
 

00ich

Member
If you had to choose between

  • 1440p
  • 144hz
  • and G-Sync/FreeSync

what display would you get?

G-Sync and FreeSync are vendor lock in technology. Wouldn't buy that.
If you stay on the high end of GPUs and want a more than 24" I'd take 1440p otherwise 144hz.
 

KageMaru

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Posting for new page if anyone can share their thoughts.

Posted this in 1070 review thread but figured more people would be able to share their thoughts here. Other people in the 1070 thread expressed running into the same issue with firestrike.

Now that I got a better PSU, I'm trying to see how far I can push my card again. So far I'm able to go up 110 MHz to 1705/1895 MHz for my base/boost clock rates while boost 3.0 looks to top my card at 2101 MHz. Temp never went over 68c. I'm able to push the memory clock +1050 MHz but the total boost on GPU-Z shows as 2266 MHz instead of the 2002 MHz default clock. Does that sound right for the memory clock? Kind of confused why I'm adding more than 1000MHz boost but it only shows a 264 MHz boost when tested. I have GPU voltage and power limit maxed at 100% and +11% respectively.

Also is the firestrike demo unstable or does it push your GPU in a particular way? I was able to run multiple Unigine Valley benchmarks, game for hours, and stress test my GPU using MSi Kom buster for >5 hours, hitting 100% GPU load at higher clocks without issue. I load up the firestrike demo and it crashes on me. Turned down my clocks until firestrike was stable but I didn't know if the problem was my clocks or the demo.
 
If you had to choose between

  • 1440p
  • 144hz
  • and G-Sync/FreeSync

what display would you get?

I would not give up 1440p. I do a whole heck of a lot more than game with my computer. Heck, I don't even want to give up IPS/PLS, and you can find a 144hz 1440p G-Sync screen... that's TN.
 

greekappi

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I'm wondering what would be best for me to upgrade in my PC that I built in 2011. I built it with two GTX 570s in SLI but have since upgraded to two 980s in SLI.

Here is what I got in this thing:

KZzgZFJ.jpg


K1fSGkb.jpg


UHsTyda.jpg


My CPU seems to be the limiting factor here (maybe not? I'm not sure about these things)

Do I need a new motherboard to support newer processors? Do I need faster or different RAM? Will my case be able to support newer motherboards? Is the power supply still ok? How much of my rig can I keep and still upgrade processors and whatnot? What do I need to support the new nvidia stuff like Pascal (Vulcan, what is that again?) Help.

Any help will be appreciated.

edit: oh god sorry for such huge pictures, fixed that
 

Durante

Member
I would not give up 1440p. I do a whole heck of a lot more than game with my computer. Heck, I don't even want to give up IPS/PLS, and you can find a 144hz 1440p G-Sync screen... that's TN.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post, but there are excellent (well, as far as IPS goes) 1440p 144Hz IPS G-sync screens out there. They just aren't cheap :p
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
I noticed earlier that there is finally a 1080p, VA-based G-Sync monitor, but USD$600 seems rather pricey given the notably-superior-in-every-respect XB271HU is only a further $150. The next time eBay AU has a 20% off tech promotion, I might just bite the bullet on the latter myself.
 

Ptaaty

Member
If you had to choose between

  • 1440p
  • 144hz
  • and G-Sync/FreeSync

what display would you get?

You need to highlight your budget, typical usage (gaming vs other %) and within gaming the % of types (competitive twitch/fps/CSGO/etc vs other).

You can get all of course...I just bought an XF270HU for $400 (newegg shellshocker).

One thing you didn't list was IPS...but it is a big choice to add.

My preferences right now are IPS>Sync=1440p>144Hz. This is because I use my computer for much more than gaming and the only competitive stuff is Rocket League.

1. IPS and 1440p will benefit everything you do, and 1080p to 1440p looks just fine.
2. Sync allows reduced lag, smoother gameplay with considerably lower GPU power (long term savings - don't need to peg at 60fps)...but the issue right now is you have to pick a side (AMD vs Nvidia for the benefits).
3. 144Hz is the gravy - I still need to test this in gaming to really see how much it adds for me...but at the very least you are reducing blur on moving objects and reducing response times.

At the end of the day the Gsync premium was just too much for me to justify so I went with AMD/freesync....this is in spite of having a Nvidia shield tablet (streaming) and a budget to support a 1070.
 

Elitist1945

Member
This is also a good example of why I went AMD/freesync....I got all three and the very important IPS (to me after seeing the differences) for less $

Yeah I really didn't want to get a monitor with a TN panel but my budget wouldn't let me. I'm still really happy with it.
 

Auctopus

Member
Looks pretty good. The GTX 1070 will handle both 1080p and 1440p extremely well. It will blow the PS4 away, basically. Even with a GTX 1060 that would be very much true, so if you're willing to sacrifice a bit of performance and/or fidelity in especially 1440p that would be a way to save quite a bit of money. Basically, if you really want a high-end system then obviously the 1070 (or for really high-end 1080) is the way to go, but if you can accept a bit lower performance then the 1060 is a better deal money-wise.

For longevity the better choice might be to go for a i5 6600K CPU (no cooler included, and Z170 motherboard required for OC) and maybe 16 GB RAM (not quite as important IMO), and you'd still save money compared to a a 1070-build with the i5 6500 and 8 GB RAM. It'd hurt your performance today, but let's say you decide to buy a new GPU in a couple of years. The i5 6500 with 8 GB RAM is very solid today, but with a new GPU you may feel the urge to change those parts as well in order to keep those on a somewhat equal level and not bottleneck anything. With a i5 6600K however you can just overclock and it will keep up very well. The 6600K also has a slightly higher base- and boost clock compared to the i5 6500, so even if you don't dabble with OC it's a little bit better. Then again, I just built a system with a i5 6500 and 8 GB RAM, so maybe I'm not the one to say anything about that, but I'm on a tight budget and I'm pairing it up with a 1060 because I'm incredibly pleased with great 1080p gaming. Overall it's just what you're after, and since you said 1440p gaming then the 1070 is a great choice, but longevity is also a factor so there's a lot of things to weigh in.

I don't know what PSU that is, but that part is also something worth spending a bit extra on to be able to keep for a long time (usually with longer warranty as well, so that's good). 600W is more than adequate, especially with a non-K processor, but there's more to it than that. Quality parts in the PSU will make it last longer without breaking, be more efficient and generally might be quieter and cooler. I learned that the hard way as I bought a cheap PSU at first, but regretted it shortly after and ordered a better one (the EVGA G2). It feels nice to know you'll have something really solid and trustworthy to steer the ship for a long time.

Another thing to consider of course is SSD. It may not improve your gaming that much (apart from load times), and there's nothing wrong with a HDD if you have a lot of files, but keeping your OS and programs on a SSD will really be beneficial for the speed of the PC for just about everything apart from the gaming performance itself. It will cost you extra (though not necessarily that much if you go for a cheaper 120 GB model), but personally I think the difference in speed when starting up programs or just basic things like how fast you can turn on and off the computer is very much worth it; it's like night and day and I could never go back.

Thanks for the in-depth. I sort of blindly went for the PSU so I might just go with the one you recommended.
 
I'm wondering what would be best for me to upgrade in my PC that I built in 2011. I built it with two GTX 570s in SLI but have since upgraded to two 980s in SLI.

Here is what I got in this thing:

KZzgZFJ.jpg


K1fSGkb.jpg


UHsTyda.jpg


My CPU seems to be the limiting factor here (maybe not? I'm not sure about these things)

Do I need a new motherboard to support newer processors? Do I need faster or different RAM? Will my case be able to support newer motherboards? Is the power supply still ok? How much of my rig can I keep and still upgrade processors and whatnot? What do I need to support the new nvidia stuff like Pascal (Vulcan, what is that again?) Help.

Any help will be appreciated.

edit: oh god sorry for such huge pictures, fixed that

What resolution/refresh rate do you play at?
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
I'm wondering what would be best for me to upgrade in my PC that I built in 2011. I built it with two GTX 570s in SLI but have since upgraded to two 980s in SLI.

Here is what I got in this thing:

KZzgZFJ.jpg


K1fSGkb.jpg


UHsTyda.jpg


My CPU seems to be the limiting factor here (maybe not? I'm not sure about these things)

Do I need a new motherboard to support newer processors? Do I need faster or different RAM? Will my case be able to support newer motherboards? Is the power supply still ok? How much of my rig can I keep and still upgrade processors and whatnot? What do I need to support the new nvidia stuff like Pascal (Vulcan, what is that again?) Help.

Any help will be appreciated.

edit: oh god sorry for such huge pictures, fixed that

I wouldn't bother moving up from the 2600K just yet unless you're hankering for more cores, which, on the Intel side, means Socket 2011 in the here and now with Broadwell-E or Socket 2066 at some point in the second half of next year with Skylake-X. (If gaming and general day-to-day use are your primary concerns, then I'd definitely stick with the 2600K for at least another year.) It wouldn't be a terrible idea to ditch those 980s for at least a 1070, though, as SLI support seems to be more miss than hit these days and 4GB VRAM is gradually becoming insufficient for maximum shadow/texture quality in the occasional new release, even at 1080p (e.g. AssCreed Syndicate to some extent and most definitely Rise of the Tomb Raider).
 

jfoul

Member
Alright, I decided on the black version of the Lian Li PC-V359. Initially I'll be using a Corsair H60 at the back exhausting. I might switch out to a Corsair H100i V2 on the right side, or even go with a tower air cooler like the Noctua NH-D15S & Cryorig H5 Ultimate. In all scenarios, I'm looking at creating positive pressure. I'm looking at using Static Pressure (SP) fans for the rads, and Air Flow (AF) fans for exhaust. My question here is, will the grill and filter intakes create enough resistance requiring SP fans to be optimal? What do you guys think would be the option and fan setup? I have a video overview of the case and some pictures at the end of the post.

Thanks for the input in advance!

Option #1 - Water 120mm AIO
  • H60 1x120 Rear Exhaust wo/ Filter
  • 2x120 Left Intake w/ Filters to GPU intake
  • 2x120 Right Intake w/ Filters

#2 Water 240mm AIO
  • H100i v2 Right 2x120 Exhaust wo/ Filters
  • 2x120 Left Intake w/ Filters to GPU intake
  • 1x120 Rear Intake wo/ Filter

#3 Water 240mm AIO Alternate
  • H100i v2 Right 2x120 Intake w/ Filters
  • 2x120 Left Intake w/ Filters to GPU intake
  • 1x120 Rear Exhaust wo/ Filter

#4 Air Tower
  • 1x120 Rear Exhaust wo/ Filter
  • 2x120 Left Intake w/ Filters to GPU
  • 2x120 Right Intake w/ Filters

Video - Chassis Overview


EDIT: After doing some research on OCN, I'm going all SP fans for intake with filters. Now I need to figure out if I want the Corsair SP120 LED High Performance, or Quiet.
 

greekappi

Member
I wouldn't bother moving up from the 2600K just yet unless you're hankering for more cores, which, on the Intel side, means Socket 2011 in the here and now with Broadwell-E or Socket 2066 at some point in the second half of next year with Skylake-X. (If gaming and general day-to-day use are your primary concerns, then I'd definitely stick with the 2600K for at least another year.) It wouldn't be a terrible idea to ditch those 980s for at least a 1070, though, as SLI support seems to be more miss than hit these days and 4GB VRAM is gradually becoming insufficient for maximum shadow/texture quality in the occasional new release, even at 1080p (e.g. AssCreed Syndicate to some extent and most definitely Rise of the Tomb Raider).

Oh damn, I just got my second 980 about 3 months before the 1080 was announced. So a single 1070 or 1080 will outperform two 980s in SLI? Damn. Yeah, gaming and day-to-day stuff is where I'm at. I can't believe a 5 year old processor is still good enough. So the combined RAM of my two 980s (about 8GB) doesn't cut it? It doesn't combine the VRAM? I really only can use 4GB?

Also, how do I reply to two responses in the same post?
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
Oh damn, I just got my second 980 about 3 months before the 1080 was announced. So a single 1070 or 1080 will outperform two 980s in SLI? Damn. Yeah, gaming and day-to-day stuff is where I'm at. I can't believe a 5 year old processor is still good enough. So the combined RAM of my two 980s (about 8GB) doesn't cut it? It doesn't combine the VRAM? I really only can use 4GB?

The 1070 has less grunt than two 980s (it's a wee bit faster than the 980 Ti), but it has more VRAM (indeed, SLI doesn't combine VRAM pools -- you're limited to 4GB whereas the 1070 has 8GB) and will obviously be more useful in games with no or sub-par SLI support.

Also, how do I reply to two responses in the same post?

Either open up the quote links in separate tabs and cut/paste the text into one post or click the little + icon (this will essentially add the posts to a pool that will show when you click the quote link of the final post you wish to quote -- well, that or you can click the + icon on all of the posts and then click Post Reply).
 

Darte

Member
Hey guys,

So just a heads up, I don't really consider myself a PC hardware kind of guy, but I know enough to build a computer. I'm not really up to date on the latest trends or what is upcoming so I'm hoping GAF can help me fill in the knowledge gaps.

First up Current Specs:

2 1080p monitors (3rd monitor Acerx34 predator this month)
W10
Asus Rampage IV (i7-3930k LGA 2011 OCed to 4.2GHZ)
Blue Ray R/RW
GTX 1080 OCed to 1953mhz
16GB DDR4 RAM

So I built my very first rig a few years ago and just upgraded to a GTX 1080 for eventual 4k gaming, but I feel like I'm a little limited by the CPU that I've got on my Mobo. I'm buying an Acerx34 predator within this month, so this got me thinking on what other upgrades I can put in.

So I come to PC Gaf with 2 questions:

1: Should I even bother upgrading my CPU? I'll freely admit I'm not really too knowledgeable on the differences between what I've got vs what is available apart from slightly faster speeds/better OCing capabilities. I'm mostly concerned if my CPU will be a limiting factor when it comes to 4k gaming.

If the answer to 1 is yes:

2: My current Mobo won't suffice (LGA2011 socket), which means I'll have to invest in one to take advantage of new CPUs. This is something I've been doing some research on recently and only just realized that my socket is very outdated. I want to leave some breathing room for minor upgrades if possible, but I'm a little confused as to what I should be aiming for in terms of CPU socket.
I don't want to invest in a MOBO whose socket is going to be outdated fairly soon. It looks like the current socket is LGA 1151, and on the horizon we have Kaby Lake coming up which appers to also be using LGA1151. A little further down the distance is CannonLake, where the info available is a little dry.
So really my question is when the next socket type is expected to be released? Mainly because I don't want to be locked into a single CPU without being able to upgrade midway.
 

greekappi

Member
The 1070 has less grunt than two 980s (it's a wee bit faster than the 980 Ti), but it has more VRAM (indeed, SLI doesn't combine VRAM pools -- you're limited to 4GB whereas the 1070 has 8GB) and will obviously be more useful in games with no or sub-par SLI support.



Either open up the quote links in separate tabs and cut/paste the text into one post or click the little + icon (this will essentially add the posts to a pool that will show when you click the quote link of the final post you wish to quote -- well, that or you can click the + icon on all of the posts and then click Post Reply).

Ah thank you!

Ok, but in GTA V, it shows my VRAM as having 8GB. Is this just an example of a game that supports SLI?

What if I were to get a 1080? That would be an improvement over my two 980s?
 

greekappi

Member
The 1070 has less grunt than two 980s (it's a wee bit faster than the 980 Ti), but it has more VRAM (indeed, SLI doesn't combine VRAM pools -- you're limited to 4GB whereas the 1070 has 8GB) and will obviously be more useful in games with no or sub-par SLI support.



Either open up the quote links in separate tabs and cut/paste the text into one post or click the little + icon (this will essentially add the posts to a pool that will show when you click the quote link of the final post you wish to quote -- well, that or you can click the + icon on all of the posts and then click Post Reply).

Also, in terms of the different socket types for those chips you were talking about, those wouldn't fit in my motherboard? I guess mine is an 1155? I'm not sure what that is compatible with. What would I need to make use of new Skylake processors?
 

SCB3

Member
Just got the ASUS ROG Strix 1070 but having trouble inserting it into my case.

My case is a CM 690 II:


My Mobo is ASUS MAXIMUS VI GENE

The problem I am having is seating the card into the breaker:





The card doesn't seem to fit inside the red slot. Any ideas?


Is that a PCI cover on the GPU slot?
 
What do you guys think of the Z170 Pro Gaming from ASUS? Its for a 6700K.

Are there better alternatives?
It's a good board. There's also the Gigabyte GA-Z170X-SLI which is a good alternative as well.

I'm in the same boat as you at the moment deciding between both of these motherboards to pair with a 6700k. The Pro Gaming is out of stock at my local MicroCenter though so I don't know if I should wait or just pick up the Gigabyte.
 

deoee

Member
Okay, regarding my earlier monitor question:

My budget would ideally not exceed 300€ and the monitor should be 27" max.
I own a GTX 970 so it's not top notch GPU.

For usage I tend to 70% game/watch video and 30% work/read.

Problem with getting all 3 of the said features is certainly the price. I can't justify such a huge amount of money for just some neat features.
 

MildlyMad

Neo Member
Hi Guys,
Shouldn't need too much help - its just been a good couple of years since last upgrade.
Upgrading from a ATI-5870 + i5 750 to, hopefully a 1070 and whichever appropriate CPU.
I've got a budget of ~£900, can push for more: PC-Partpicker

I'll be keeping my current case (Coolermaster HAF 922) but painting it to be a bit cleaner, and my SSD + 1TB harddrive.
I might try and be inventive with the paint-scheme, see how much time I have (Gunpla at the moment...).

Anything I've missed out? -Windows copy etc.
 

Adamator

Member
Question. I have a Gigabyte Ga-z170xp-sli mother board and I got my GTX 1070 in the first PCI Express x16 slot and a Sound Blaster ZX in PCI E Slot 3. Is the sound card taking part of the video card band width or am I still getting 16x for my video card?
 

joecanada

Member
Is it a common issue with your card? I extend my desktop with two screens. I have a 480 and have used AMD cards for the last 10 years.



I just tried another PSU.



Yes maybe it is the card because my stereo mix won't work either ... It just crashes sound settings when trying to set up two sound sources ... Pos lol
 

Hazaro

relies on auto-aim
Really? what kind of mobo would you consider not overkill?

I would actually use my Nh-D14 from my old build to cool and OC the 6700K.
Ones in the OP :D
Like do you NEED any of the extra features or not?
If no, get a less expensive board.
 

Ptaaty

Member
Okay, regarding my earlier monitor question:

My budget would ideally not exceed 300€ and the monitor should be 27" max.
I own a GTX 970 so it's not top notch GPU.

For usage I tend to 70% game/watch video and 30% work/read.

Problem with getting all 3 of the said features is certainly the price. I can't justify such a huge amount of money for just some neat features.

Given your usage and budget limits, I'd probably shoot for Gsync at 1080p, drop the 144hz...you just need too much power and $$. Stretch for IPS if you find it, likely looking at a 24" to save costs (and due to saying 27" is max) and better align with a 970 for a longer term. I'm in the US so I don't have ready "get this one" for you.

Above gets thrown out if you are competitive/CSGO and can push the high frames and need response.
 

Jyrii

Banned
Hi Guys,
Shouldn't need too much help - its just been a good couple of years since last upgrade.
Upgrading from a ATI-5870 + i5 750 to, hopefully a 1070 and whichever appropriate CPU.
I've got a budget of ~£900, can push for more: PC-Partpicker

I'll be keeping my current case (Coolermaster HAF 922) but painting it to be a bit cleaner, and my SSD + 1TB harddrive.
I might try and be inventive with the paint-scheme, see how much time I have (Gunpla at the moment...).

Anything I've missed out? -Windows copy etc.

No reason to go Broadwell at that price imo. Here is Skylake build with nearly the same components http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/g6xK4C

You can swap the motherboard for an ATX one, as your case does seem to support them too. The selection of mATX motherboards isn't that great. Just make sure it is Z170 if you want to overclock.
 
So my Seidon 240M one of my fans has startled rattling and I need two replacement 120mm radiator fans. Can anyone recommend some good fans? I'd prefer to order from newegg.

Anyone? Care most about performance, appearence is secondary. Would be cool to have some LED's but not if there's a better performing option without.
 

JaseC

gave away the keys to the kingdom.
Ah thank you!

Ok, but in GTA V, it shows my VRAM as having 8GB. Is this just an example of a game that supports SLI?

It's just an example of a game mistakenly adding the pools of VRAM together when it should know better. ;)

What if I were to get a 1080? That would be an improvement over my two 980s?

Not in terms of raw processing power, no. If presently you're happy with 4GB VRAM and the current state of SLI support, then I'd wait a while longer and see how the 1080 Ti fares (it should hit before the end of the year).

Also, in terms of the different socket types for those chips you were talking about, those wouldn't fit in my motherboard? I guess mine is an 1155? I'm not sure what that is compatible with. What would I need to make use of new Skylake processors?

Yeah, you'd need a new motherboard. 1155 has well and truly been phased out (Intel's Ivy Bridge/3000-series processors were its swan song).
 
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