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  1. Either Windows 10, or failing that Windows 7. 64-Bit versions.
  2. You can get any standard 1.5V DDR3 1333MHz desktop memory.
  3. The power supply in that machine likely won't manage with any powered graphics card, so you'd be looking at a GTX 950 (sans power connector) at best.
  4. You can't really do much to it to upgrade it. As I mentioned, the GTX 950 is about as good as you'll get graphics wise, and adding an SSD (assuming the motherboard supports another SATA device) would also help, but at this point building from scratch is probably preferable. If you're only playing low end Steam games you'll do fine with upgrading, otherwise you'd be better saving and building new.

Thanks a lot. I'm sorry but I forgot to mention that I don't want to spend a lot. Maybe $250 maximum including the OS solution

Would that be even possible?

Is this RAM good? - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BD7QKT4/?tag=neogaf0e-20

EDIT: I can post pics of the PSU and the rest if it will help?
 
Hi All,

I currently have a asus vg248qe 144hz without the g-sync module. Since it seems like the kit not longer is available anywhere, I am thinking about upgrading to a monitor with G-sync. To make it worthwhile, I was thinking of uping my resolution, monitor size, or even going wide-screen. Any suggestions with folks with personal experience? Also, if I go with a 1440p monitor, will it play nice with my 1080p if I have them both hooked up? Or should I plan on ditching the 1080p?

I was looking at the PG279Q ROG Swift and the PG278Q ROG Swift. Any preferences there?

Lastly, with regards to widescreen gaming, how often does that mess you over and games don't support the resolution and it makes it harder to deal with?

FYI, I currently have a 1080, so my video card should be able these decently enough. I mainl play DOTA, so high refresh important, but also things like Deus Ex.
 

V1LÆM

Gold Member
Does anyone have any experience buying windows keys from Play Asia? I've always heard of it as a great site to import games from but $32 for Windows 10 Pro seems too good to be true.

I'd hate for it to work and then Microsoft kick me off after 6 months.

i haven't used play asia but i have used a certain reddit subreddit. not sure i can mention it. my license cost me $25 and so far so good after a few months. at this point i don't care if it expires. i just needed something keep to get up and running. if it expires tomorrow then i'll buy the key from amazon or somewhere else legit.
 

AndyD

aka andydumi
Thanks a lot. I'm sorry but I forgot to mention that I don't want to spend a lot. Maybe $250 maximum including the OS solution

Would that be even possible?

Is this RAM good? - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BD7QKT4/?tag=neogaf0e-20

EDIT: I can post pics of the PSU and the rest if it will help?

I think I have some Win 7 Pro keys laying around. Send me a PM and I'll check. That should keep costs down some.

Post some pictures of the insides before you buy anything.
 

Frostman

Member
Hi Guys,

Looking at building my first PC, just trying to collect some opinions on what to use as far as parts. My budget is around £700, I'm staying at 1080p as I don't see the need to upgrade yet. I would like to have solid 60fps performance though. I will have the money to upgrade certain parts again next year if I need it, but if I can avoid that all the better.

Edit: I could push my budget slightly. I also understand that I don't have to upgrade parts each year, but if I couldn't afford it with my current budget I could opt to go cheaper now to reach the required build next year. Cheers
 

LordAlu

Member
Hi Guys,

Looking at building my first PC, just trying to collect some opinions on what to use as far as parts. My budget is around £700, I'm staying at 1080p as I don't see the need to upgrade yet. I would like to have solid 60fps performance though. I will have the money to upgrade certain parts again next year if I need it, but if I can avoid that all the better.

Edit: I could push my budget slightly. I also understand that I don't have to upgrade parts each year, but if I couldn't afford it with my current budget I could opt to go cheaper now to reach the required build next year. Cheers
Something similar to this is probably your best option.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (£174.90 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£29.99 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£65.93 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£39.99 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Samsung 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£60.98 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB SC GAMING Video Card (£237.99 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 88R MicroATX Mid Tower Case (£38.96 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£49.99 @ Novatech)
Total: £698.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-09 19:38 BST+0100

You can added a big mechanical drive for more storage later on if you need it. This would do you quite nicely for solid 1080p 60FPS on Very High settings (not necessarily Ultra, but using Ultra is almost always badly optimised anyway).
 

Frostman

Member
Something similar to this is probably your best option.
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (£174.90 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler (£29.99 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B150M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (£65.93 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory (£39.99 @ Ebuyer)
Storage: Samsung 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£60.98 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 6GB SC GAMING Video Card (£237.99 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 88R MicroATX Mid Tower Case (£38.96 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply (£49.99 @ Novatech)
Total: £698.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-09 19:38 BST+0100

You can added a big mechanical drive for more storage later on if you need it. This would do you quite nicely for solid 1080p 60FPS on Very High settings (not necessarily Ultra, but using Ultra is almost always badly optimised anyway).

Cheers for the response! Is a CPU cooler (3rd party) required if your not overclocking, or would you just recommend one anyway?
 

Mystic654

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Everything has started to arrive now. I do have to wait 2 to 4 Weeks for Case-Labs to send me the rest of my items.

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Cheers for the response! Is a CPU cooler (3rd party) required if your not overclocking, or would you just recommend one anyway?

The i5 6500 comes with a stock intel cpu cooler, it's not amazing but it well get the job done. Probably noticeably noisier than a third party cooler but if you're not overclocking you shouldn't run into any thermal bottle necks.
 

LordAlu

Member
Cheers for the response! Is a CPU cooler (3rd party) required if your not overclocking, or would you just recommend one anyway?
It's not necessarily required, as the stock one will keep it going okay, but it is pretty noisy. I generally recommend aftermarket as a noisy system is a big no-no, and the money spent on it could only really be used elsewhere to put you up to 16GB RAM (not required) or get a mechanical storage drive. Whilst it would be nice to have that extra storage, it's much easier to buy and fit a storage drive later than it is to buy and fit a cooler once a system is built.
 

Arken2121

Member
Dumb question but i'm assuming at this time that even the new Titan X can't achieve 4k @60fps. Any speculation if Vega/Volta could achieve this on a single card? Contemplating if I should delve into a build now or a bit later to achieve that sweet spot.
 

Evo X

Member
What's on the horizon for video cards?

I am thinking of aiming for either a 480 or a 1070 but can wait til the new year if it means a drastic price drop because something else comes out soon.

Both those cards are fairly recent. Nothing new on the horizon video card wise. Wont be aby drastic price drops. Best thing you can hope for by waiting until the holiday season is a game bundle.

Hi All,

I currently have a asus vg248qe 144hz without the g-sync module. Since it seems like the kit not longer is available anywhere, I am thinking about upgrading to a monitor with G-sync. To make it worthwhile, I was thinking of uping my resolution, monitor size, or even going wide-screen. Any suggestions with folks with personal experience? Also, if I go with a 1440p monitor, will it play nice with my 1080p if I have them both hooked up? Or should I plan on ditching the 1080p?

I was looking at the PG279Q ROG Swift and the PG278Q ROG Swift. Any preferences there?

Lastly, with regards to widescreen gaming, how often does that mess you over and games don't support the resolution and it makes it harder to deal with?

FYI, I currently have a 1080, so my video card should be able these decently enough. I mainl play DOTA, so high refresh important, but also things like Deus Ex.

The main difference between those 2 is that the PG278Q is a TN panel with a maximum refresh of 144hz with support for 3D Bison whereas the PG279Q is an IPS panel with a maximum refresh of 165hz and no 3D Vision.

I've had the PG278Q for 2 years now. It's a fantastic gaming monitor. Colors are great if you are sitting straight on front of it. There will be some unavoidable shift at an angle due to it being TN. Mine is sitting in storage since I picked up a PG348Q and Acer XB321HK however. I might sell it if you wanna save some money. Works perfect. No dead pixels or issues.

Dumb question but i'm assuming at this time that even the new Titan X can't achieve 4k @60fps. Any speculation if Vega/Volta could achieve this on a single card? Contemplating if I should delve into a build now or a bit later to achieve that sweet spot.

You assume wrong. Go check out some benchmarks. The new Titan X is a viable 4K/60 card. I'm using one right now. I doubt the best Vega will be better and Volta Titan is at least a year out.
 

ubercheez

Member
I'm getting ready to build a new system, but I'm planning to keep a few parts from my current system. If I move my SSD with Windows 7 on it into the new system (new motherboard), will it still work?
 
I'm getting ready to build a new system, but I'm planning to keep a few parts from my current system. If I move my SSD with Windows 7 on it into the new system (new motherboard), will it still work?

Should do. Just helped a friend build his rig and Windows 8 worked just fine after being moved across.
 

LordAlu

Member
Thanks guys

Pics - http://imgur.com/a/AyKSz

Not sure if they'll be useful, if there's something specific you want me to take a pic of please tell me

Thanks again
More RAM, an SSD and a graphics card.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Memory: G.Skill NS Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($34.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ TRION 150 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($44.75 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 460 2GB Video Card ($114.98 @ Newegg)
Other: 2.5 inch SSD HDD To 3.5 inch Metal Mounting Adapter Bracket Dock for SSD ($4.49)
Other: Coboc Model SC-SATA3-18-BK 18" SATA III 6Gb/s Data Cable,Black ($0.49)
Total: $199.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-09 16:14 EDT-0400

The RX 460 is probably the best card you can get without changing the power supply in the machine, and I wouldn't spend more on the rig itself - once you start spending more you'd be better off looking at a new build.
 
Not a lot of difference between the brands from a performance standpoint. EVGA is touted to have the best customer service for Nvidia cards. I've been buy their cards myself the past 5-6 years.

A 980 for $400 is not a good buy. There is a difference between the 980 and the 980Ti.

If the increased price above $400 for a 1070 is too much, I would try to haggle with your friend to bring the price down. Yes, he only bought it a couple months ago but it's a year old from launch and the 10 series is out.

Hey man, you've been really helpful. Thank you, I'm no longer going to buy a 980ti, I spoke to my other friend who has a connect. I'm gonna get a brand new 1080 for around $560.00 Hopefully I can get it for a little less.

This is the build I'm going for, disregard the GPU, I'm not ordering it from there. I plan on doing some 4k PC gaming, running just about every Emulator I can get my hands on, And playing some XBOX one games that are going PC.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/dqmmr7
 
More RAM, an SSD and a graphics card.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Memory: G.Skill NS Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($34.98 @ Newegg)
Storage: OCZ TRION 150 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($44.75 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 460 2GB Video Card ($114.98 @ Newegg)
Other: 2.5 inch SSD HDD To 3.5 inch Metal Mounting Adapter Bracket Dock for SSD ($4.49)
Other: Coboc Model SC-SATA3-18-BK 18" SATA III 6Gb/s Data Cable,Black ($0.49)
Total: $199.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-09-09 16:14 EDT-0400

The RX 460 is probably the best card you can get without changing the power supply in the machine, and I wouldn't spend more on the rig itself - once you start spending more you'd be better off looking at a new build.

Thanks a million. you think I will need the SSD?

EDIT: I meant, would it make a significant difference?
 

LordAlu

Member
Thanks a million. you think I will need the SSD?

EDIT: I meant, would it make a significant difference?
Yup. It's the single best thing you can do to increase the performance of a PC.

As one example, here are three laptops booting the same image of Windows on the same hardware, one with an SSD and two with different speed hard drives, as well as opening applications. It should give you an idea of just how much of a difference having an SSD makes to booting and using Windows.
 

AYF 001

Member
So I was looking around with my various GPU options the other day, and came across custom AA settings. I recently figured out how to enable 8x supersampling, and it certainly feels like it has improved game IQ. My cards (2x 760) support up to what is called SLI 64x CSAA, as well as 16x supersampling. But my question is that every article I can find dates back no later than 2013, so is this imposing-sounding configuration technically obsolete compared to FXAA and other modern techniques?

For some extra information, I'm on a 1080p monitor, so I'm not sure if there are diminishing returns to all this extra AA or not. I'm also not sure if all the AA and SS might lead to over-sharpening the image. In the Nvidia Profile Inspector, there's also Transparency Multisampling, so is that another thing I should enable?
 
The main difference between those 2 is that the PG278Q is a TN panel with a maximum refresh of 144hz with support for 3D Bison whereas the PG279Q is an IPS panel with a maximum refresh of 165hz and no 3D Vision.

I've had the PG278Q for 2 years now. It's a fantastic gaming monitor. Colors are great if you are sitting straight on front of it. There will be some unavoidable shift at an angle due to it being TN. Mine is sitting in storage since I picked up a PG348Q and Acer XB321HK however. I might sell it if you wanna save some money. Works perfect. No dead pixels or issues.


Hmm. What are your impressions of the PG348Q and Acer XB321HK? Why the switch? Going from 144hz to 100 Hz rough? Are there support issues for ultra wide and what graphics card are you using?
 
I jumped on the g sync train this afternoon. I went with the Dell S2716DG. It's glorious! Out of the box settings are kind of garbage but after adjusting gamma and digital vibrance in the Nvidia Control Center and then lowering the brightness on the monitor itself it really pops. Overwatch is buttery smooth goodness to the max.
 

Evo X

Member
Hmm. What are your impressions of the PG348Q and Acer XB321HK? Why the switch? Going from 144hz to 100 Hz rough? Are there support issues for ultra wide and what graphics card are you using?

Just wanted to try something bigger and more premium.

Going from 144hz to 100hz wasn't really noticeable for me. I'm not a pro Counterstrike player. I usually stick to single player games. The jump from 60 to 100 is bigger than 100 to 144. I'm not saying the higher refresh rate is imperceptible, but since we can only choose between resolution and refresh rate due to current tech limits, personally I prefer the higher IQ and desktop real estate to more fps.

Most new games are starting to support Ultrawide natively. Witcher 3 and Rise of the Tomb Raider look gorgeous. Even though 4K is much higher resolution, I kind of prefer playing those games on the PG348Q because it's more immersive as it fills your entire field of view. There is also a free program called Flawless Widescreen that adds support and fixes for many other games. Recently beat Dragon Age Inquisition using it. It's not perfect, but when it works, it is beautiful. ABZU was a particularly amazing experience.

Using an overclocked Pascal Titan X. Has no problems playing games at 3440x1440 100hz or 4K/60hz. Any small dips in the most demanding games are smoothed out by GSYNC.

I mostly use the 4K for work and 16:9 games/media, and the 21:9 for everything else.
 
Dumb question but i'm assuming at this time that even the new Titan X can't achieve 4k @60fps.

Yes it can. It just can't maintain 4K@60fps at the highest graphical settings

This is as it should be and as it should remain into the future, as both new cards AND new, more intensive games are released. Anything else means that game developers have failed to provide graphics options that fully utilize available hardware at a range of different resolutions.
 
Yup. It's the single best thing you can do to increase the performance of a PC.

As one example, here are three laptops booting the same image of Windows on the same hardware, one with an SSD and two with different speed hard drives, as well as opening applications. It should give you an idea of just how much of a difference having an SSD makes to booting and using Windows.

It makes a huge difference. It's one of those things that once you experience it you can never go back.

Thanks guys :)
 

Pagusas

Elden Member
I finally decided on my next case for my Titan/6600k build:

The Lian Li PC-05sx
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So damn excited! It's going to be my first ITX build. I'm going to go custom water with a 240mm radiator.

This computer will be for my home theater, I'll either wall mount it or run it horizontally. Regardless I love the flexability to have it anyway I want, love that it's compact and will fit in the media center, and adore the thick glass cover.

It's $300, but it's worth it to me :)
 

Venom Fox

Banned
So I've just ordered an Asus Rog G20CB with the i7-4790 it unfortunately only comes with the GTX 950. I am going to upgrade the GPU to the RX 480 reference card (so it blows air out the back panel) but I was wondering about the dual PSU's.

Do these automatically work when I plug them in or do u have to mess with the motherboards pins? I'm seeing conflicting info on YouTube and thought this would be the best place to ask. Also is there any cases I can switch the Mobo etc too? It'll be a pain but is it doable?

Edit: Like that case above. Will I be able to take the parts out and swap cases?
 

e90Mark

Member
Hey man, you've been really helpful. Thank you, I'm no longer going to buy a 980ti, I spoke to my other friend who has a connect. I'm gonna get a brand new 1080 for around $560.00 Hopefully I can get it for a little less.

This is the build I'm going for, disregard the GPU, I'm not ordering it from there. I plan on doing some 4k PC gaming, running just about every Emulator I can get my hands on, And playing some XBOX one games that are going PC.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/dqmmr7

$560 for a 1080 is a steal, even more if you can get it for less.

I did a quick look, and it will do what you want for sure. I question two things:
1. Do you really need/want a full tower case? They're big and bulky, and if you don't need all the space for say, water cooling, I would definitely step down to a mid tower.

2. Why a Corsair CXM series? For all the high end equipment in there, you should step up to a better PSU. If you want to stay with Corsair, I would look at their RMx or RMi lines. EVGA makes some really good PSUs as well - I personally use a G2 from them.
650w will power that whole build and some. Not necessary to get a 750w unless the price is good.

Other than that, killer build.
 

kuYuri

Member
Hi All,

I currently have a asus vg248qe 144hz without the g-sync module. Since it seems like the kit not longer is available anywhere, I am thinking about upgrading to a monitor with G-sync. To make it worthwhile, I was thinking of uping my resolution, monitor size, or even going wide-screen. Any suggestions with folks with personal experience? Also, if I go with a 1440p monitor, will it play nice with my 1080p if I have them both hooked up? Or should I plan on ditching the 1080p?

I was looking at the PG279Q ROG Swift and the PG278Q ROG Swift. Any preferences there?

Lastly, with regards to widescreen gaming, how often does that mess you over and games don't support the resolution and it makes it harder to deal with?

FYI, I currently have a 1080, so my video card should be able these decently enough. I mainl play DOTA, so high refresh important, but also things like Deus Ex.

It's mostly preference, but I think the PG279Q is far superior in terms of overall image quality due to the IPS panel. The 278Q TN panel is preferable if you're very serious about playing twitch, fast paced games like Counter-Strike Go and other competitive games, where the TN is more preferable. Someone like me who prefers single player games, I'll take a little more of the eye candy offered by the 279Q's panel.

Also the 1080 is a great fit for these 1440p monitors, so I would definitely say go for it if you can afford it!

Once I went 1440p, it's hard to go back!
 
$560 for a 1080 is a steal, even more if you can get it for less.

I did a quick look, and it will do what you want for sure. I question two things:
1. Do you really need/want a full tower case? They're big and bulky, and if you don't need all the space for say, water cooling, I would definitely step down to a mid tower.

2. Why a Corsair CXM series? For all the high end equipment in there, you should step up to a better PSU. If you want to stay with Corsair, I would look at their RMx or RMi lines. EVGA makes some really good PSUs as well - I personally use a G2 from them.
650w will power that whole build and some. Not necessary to get a 750w unless the price is good.

Other than that, killer build.

Thanks again for your input, I had my friend pick out those parts, he built his PC himself, I really don't want a bulky tower. All the suggestions you've can you put them in the build for me? I'm clueless on building a gaming PC all I know is get a good GPU and CPU
 

zoozilla

Member
I've been looking at mATX motherboards, and it seems like they generally have lower user ratings than ATX boards.

Are mATX less reliable for some reason, or is it just that more people buy ATX boards so the average rating is higher? Are there any mATX boards I should avoid?
 

kennah

Member
I've been looking at mATX motherboards, and it seems like they generally have lower user ratings than ATX boards.

Are mATX less reliable for some reason, or is it just that more people buy ATX boards so the average rating is higher? Are there any mATX boards I should avoid?

Ignore user ratings.
 

Elitist1945

Member
Apparently Who's Your Daddy is the most demanding game for my 980ti lol. Its putting it at 70 degrees which has never happened to any other games. Is it because Unity?
 
Loving the Titan. Been playing Doom completely maxed out at 4K and getting ridiculous fps. Such a great game, think I'll play through it all again.

Going to sell my 6600K and get a 6700K instead though, for when Battlefield comes out.
 

Echoes

Member

Would it be possible to clone my current SSD to a new M.2 drive and have it be bootable instead of doing a fresh install? I just built this and spent a lot of time installing apps and activating them etc, so it'd be awesome if I can take a shortcut.

Eyeing the Samsung 961 (or might wait for the 960).
 

Caleb187

Member
I just bought the Acer XF270HU, which is 27" IPS 144hz freesync for $480.

I have an Nvidia card, but getting the equivalent monitor (XB271HU) with gsync costs $770.

I just couldn't justify spending almost $300 extra dollars for gsync. Did I make the correct decision here?
 

Bloodember

Member
Would it be possible to clone my current SSD to a new M.2 drive and have it be bootable instead of doing a fresh install? I just built this and spent a lot of time installing apps and activating them etc, so it'd be awesome if I can take a shortcut.

Eyeing the Samsung 961 (or might wait for the 960).
Yes, why wouldn't you? It's still an ssd.
 
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