draliko
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So any suggestion on how to check if everything is fine? Other than oc stress test for system stability.
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"I Need a New PC!" 2017 The Ryzing of Kaby Lake and NVMwhee!
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JonnyDBrit
Member
Honestly? Just use it, compare its performance to references you can find online. What are you working with?
draliko
Member
R5 1600, gtx1070, 16gb ram, 850 evo ssd, waiting for the cooler to ship to oc it a bit (should arrive today).
Yesterday I tried the fh3 demo but I don't know if it's the right game to check, what I did notice even at 70% CPU and 70% GPU the game was stuttering while aiming for 1080p/60 on mixed ultra/high. Being that a uwp game I thought that was the cause for the performance problems. I will probably buy something during steam sales to test everything, maybe doom, dishonored2 or I don't know... I've got ds3, could that be a good game to check performance?
JonnyDBrit
Member
Hm. I would have expected a 1070 to absolutely crush that, though being a demo, maybe it has issues.
Doom would probably be good as a 1080p framerate test. Not actually a too demanding game, so have FRAPS on and V-sync off, see how high it gets - compare to others with the same. DS3 isn't usually done but should have a locked 60 at 1080p be quite possible.
draliko
Member
I was expecting the same instead I got stuttering and not more than 80% usage even on useless ultra everything so I don't know what could it be, I even pushed the ram to 2933 stable
Probably the demo use old code
RamaTheVoice
Member
Reposting again for new page, I'd like to get some eyes on this.
Can anyone help?
Hey everyone! Long time since I last posted here
It's summer over here and it's damn hot (think 35C/95F), and under stress my stock 6700K goes up into the high 70s Celsius. I've decided my AIO purchase was ill-advised (CM Nepton 140XL) despite some great reviews, and am thinking of switching back to good old air-cooling.
I will OC at one point so I want something good, and I'm debating between the Noctua NH-U14S, NH-D15 and Phanteks TC14PE.
Case is a Fractal R5 so clearance shouldn't be an issue from that standpoint, but I'm worried about RAM and PCI clearance.
RAM is G.Skill Ripjaws V and mobo is Gigabyte Z170XP-SLI. Does anyone by any chance have one/both of those + the coolers I mentioned? How's clearance? How are your temps?
Thanks
Can anyone help?
draliko
Member
I'd go with the d15, great reviews but a bit pricey, take a look at the bequiet rock series, great bang for the bucks it seems.
You should check for clearance on their site, I also have ripjaws rams and they're not as big as I thought
Celcius
°Temp. member
I'd recommend the Noctua NH-D15.
RipJawsV is 42mm tall and by default the front fan on the noctua has 32mm of clearance, however you can move the front fan up 10mm to give yourself 42mm of clearance and the total height of the cooler will now be 175mm instead of 165mm, which is still below the fractal r5's 180mm cpu cooler height limit. The Gigabyte Z170XP-SLI is listed as fully compatible with the NH-D15 so you shouldn't have any clearance issues as far as pci slots.
Sources:
https://www.gskill.com/en/faq/DRAM_Memory
http://noctua.at/en/nh-d15/specification
http://www.fractal-design.com/home/product/cases/define-series/define-r5-black
http://noctua.at/en/products/cpu-cooler-retail/nh-d15/comp
ISee
Member
If you're worrying about RAM clearance take a look at the Cryorig R1 Universal. I recently bought one and I really love it. Great performance and it doesn't block stuff on my mb because of the compact form factor. Performance wise it is just slightly less powerful than the NH-D15. I can reach 4.8GHz on my 7700k @~80°C in prime95 with AVX.
FallingEdge
Member
Yeah, I built 2 PCs in the past and wanted to just go with an easy solution. Price seemed very reasonable and any increase coming from "labor" costs was worth it to me.
I will take a look tonight and let you know.
I was thinking about this too. Get the 405 and just use my existing 1060 6gb in addition to the HDs from my old build. In the end, I just decided to say fuck it and grab this one. It has been 6 years since my last refresh.
RamaTheVoice
Member
Thank you all very much! The D15 is indeed pricey, but seems worth it. I was interested in the Phanteks TC14PE because I've read some really good reviews of it and it's about 15€ cheaper, so I was wondering whether anyone had experience with it.
Will probably end up going for the D15 though. How hard is it to install? I'm also worried about my mobo since it's really heavy, is there anything I can do to support it or something?
Also, should I just fill all of my case's slots with fans for the summer? Maybe get some Noctua NF-A14s and have two in front as intake, one on the back plus maybe 2 on top as exhaust?
It is such a great feeling to jump from old to new. I just replaced an 8 year old system with a new one and it is like night and day (unsurprisingly).
I found someone locally who built my system for $40, but when I was thinking about buying one I was focused on the Powerspec ones as well.
I've been using Noctua's NH-U12P since January 2008, built to last.
Hey dudes, what's the scoop on Samsung's SSD 850 EVO drives now? I seem to remember there being some performance degradation issues with some of the Samsung drives, was the 850 EVO line part of that? Is it fixed now?
Or alternately, recommend me a 500gb sata ssd in case the 850 EVO line is poop?
Hey dudes, what's the scoop on Samsung's SSD 850 EVO drives now? I seem to remember there being some performance degradation issues with some of the Samsung drives, was the 850 EVO line part of that? Is it fixed now?
Or alternately, recommend me a 500gb sata ssd in case the 850 EVO line is poop?
RumblingRosco
Member
How could someone determine if they have positive pressure, negative pressure, or equal pressure within their case? Trying to decide how to arrange my fans for my ThermalTake Core V21.
RamaTheVoice
Member
IIRC, I *think* that:
If your total intake CFM is higher than your total exhaust CFM you have positive pressure.
If your total intake CFM is lower than your total exhaust CFM you have negative pressure.
Pretty sure there's a bit more to it than that but that should cover the basics.
RumblingRosco
Member
Ah so I should look at th CFM ratings of my fans and add it up basically and subtract from each other to determine if it's positive or negative.
RamaTheVoice
Member
Something like that, yeah. I'm sure there are people here who know a lot more about it than I do. Best of my knowledge, negative pressure will also draw in more dust but positive pressure may not be as good for cooling.
Maybe try equal pressure? If all your fans are the same you could have two in front, one at the bottom as intake and one at the back, two at the top as exhaust.
The 2600k is getting up there, but if you have a OC you should be ok at 1080p for some time. As far as your GPU, if you're planning to keep it for the length of time you say, then 1070 is worth the price increase over the 1060.
Main differences between cards are power draw and number of fans. The Asus Dual has 2 and the Strix has 3 for example. Differences between brands really comes down to warranty and coverage. EVGA is going to be the best in this area, and who I would go with. I've had plenty of ASUS stuff and had a 1060 Dual and 1079 Strix at one time, they were fine, but the thing with Asus is if you have any issues you have to deal with their customer support and it's awful.
Dont buy a 3GB card in this day and age, it's a waste of money especially if you plan to hold onto the card for an extended period of time.
So...when I built my PC in December I went with a Zotac AMP 1070 (phenomenal card). It was $700 (Canadian) after taxes, as I caught it on sale for 629 if I recall correctly.
When the Destiny 2 deal came up I decided to do bit of an upgrade, couldn't justify a $1200 1080Ti (yes, they can be that much in Canada) so I opted for a 1080. The plan was to sell my 1070 for ~$500 and was fine with spending $300 for the upgrade + free game (which is about $90 here).
I had NO idea this mining craze would boost GPU prices literally a week later. This same model is now sold out across Canada...and the only available option (1 left in stock) on Amazon.ca is @ $888.50
Talk about lucky timing. I can probably get $750 for it this weekend on Kijiji quite easily.
I got an EVGA FTW2 iCX 1080 w/ the new 11gbps memory for $800. $50 for a 25-30% performance boost + Destiny 2. Amazing.
When the Destiny 2 deal came up I decided to do bit of an upgrade, couldn't justify a $1200 1080Ti (yes, they can be that much in Canada) so I opted for a 1080. The plan was to sell my 1070 for ~$500 and was fine with spending $300 for the upgrade + free game (which is about $90 here).
I had NO idea this mining craze would boost GPU prices literally a week later. This same model is now sold out across Canada...and the only available option (1 left in stock) on Amazon.ca is @ $888.50
Talk about lucky timing. I can probably get $750 for it this weekend on Kijiji quite easily.
I got an EVGA FTW2 iCX 1080 w/ the new 11gbps memory for $800. $50 for a 25-30% performance boost + Destiny 2. Amazing.
RumblingRosco
Member
Thanks, I'll look into it a bit further before I start putting in any fans. I unfortunately have basically 4-5 different models of fans in varying sizes (my case can take all the sizes thankfully) so it won't be easy to make an identical air flow situation, but I'm sure I can figure out something. This helped me get on the right track with some terms to Google, so thanks again!
jim2point0
Banned
Knowing how hot it runs... I'd go for the best damn air cooler available. Which I think is the Noctua D15? I don't know....
I went with an AIO which is working great, but a little more expensive.
CraigerGamer
Member
So, uh, anyone got a suggestion on a good screw driver for working on computers? Your tool of choice perhaps?
Celcius
°Temp. member
I was going to try to raise my 7700k overclock from 4.7ghz to 4.8ghz but the additional voltage and heat just isn't worth it for the minimal actual gain. Non-soldered IHS + avx/avx2/fma3 = am cry
Most of the time I just use a regular long philips screw driver but I also have a shorter philips screwdriver with a magnetic head that's great for installing the screws into motherboard standoffs to secure the motherboard in place.
Most of the time I just use a regular long philips screw driver but I also have a shorter philips screwdriver with a magnetic head that's great for installing the screws into motherboard standoffs to secure the motherboard in place.
jim2point0
Banned
I was going to try to raise my 7700k overclock from 4.7ghz to 4.8ghz but the additional voltage and heat just isn't worth it for the minimal actual gain. Non-soldered IHS + avx/avx2/fma3 = am cry
I actually lowered mine from 5Ghz to 4.8Ghz because... summer heat.
https://www.ifixit.com/Store/Tools/64-Bit-Driver-Kit/IF145-299-1
This was a Christmas present. But I love it.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Any good multiheaded screwdriver should do. Particularly if going with intel, since they use torx screws to hold down the CPU.
CraigerGamer
Member
Thanks for the responses! Will getting a magnetic screw driver mess with some of the components or is this just a myth?
jim2point0
Banned
No harm whatsoever.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Yeah, the magnetic effect in a screwdriver is piss weak and won't affect your electronics.
For gaming purposes, yeah, you'll be fine as you are.
sleepnaught
Member
Any word on when the 7740k will be released? Would it be unwise to grab that instead of waiting on Coffee Lake?
RamaTheVoice
Member
Follow-up question to my earlier post about buying a cooler:
My AIO currently doubles as my rear exhaust, but I'm switching to air. Case came with two fans which I've mounted as front intakes. Want to keep them there but what fans should I get as rear/top exhaust?
Also, front intake fans are currently connected to the case's integrated fan control mechanism, should I connect them (and the new exhaust fans I'll get) to the mobo directly instead?
My AIO currently doubles as my rear exhaust, but I'm switching to air. Case came with two fans which I've mounted as front intakes. Want to keep them there but what fans should I get as rear/top exhaust?
Also, front intake fans are currently connected to the case's integrated fan control mechanism, should I connect them (and the new exhaust fans I'll get) to the mobo directly instead?
BolognaOni
Member
What GPU are you running? I wouldn't go for that upgrade unless you really wanted the extra cores for something, or are otherwise confirmed CPU bound in some game.
Thanks. Kinda expensive. I'll see what I can do
The early reviews of the 7740 have not been kind, although it's hard to tell how much of that is just many bios/mb's not being ready. It might be worth spending the extra $50 for the 6 core 7800.
AtlantiC_CodeX
Neo Member
Thanks, Just ordered it today. Found it on Amazon for 20$ with only 7 left in stock.
Hope this will fix the speed problem, my internet is about 30mb also which makes it frustrating when i get around half or quarter of that.
Evga 1070. 8gb ddr4 2400
Guys, I've been working on a tool and I was hoping for the community's feedback. I get it's self-promotional but I think it'll help people make better hardware decisions. If it's spam, I accept the mods' wrath.
I wanted to make it easier to visualize gaming performance, so we made this tool: http://amdahlcube.com. Basic idea was to match component colors to get a system of that level.
Next was to add in this health bar that shows what CPU affects and what GPU affects.
For all the basic questions about "does this CPU still hold up" or "do I need a new GPU", I figure this can give you a pretty good idea. Most of the older Intel stuff from 2nd gen on holds up really well.
It's still new, but I figured it's a better way of combining performance and pricing. It only covers FPS and Open World games right now, but I feel pretty good about the recs handling any 2017 AAA title. Lemme know if it's helpful to you or if you've got questions about how it works.
I wanted to make it easier to visualize gaming performance, so we made this tool: http://amdahlcube.com. Basic idea was to match component colors to get a system of that level.
Next was to add in this health bar that shows what CPU affects and what GPU affects.
For all the basic questions about "does this CPU still hold up" or "do I need a new GPU", I figure this can give you a pretty good idea. Most of the older Intel stuff from 2nd gen on holds up really well.
It's still new, but I figured it's a better way of combining performance and pricing. It only covers FPS and Open World games right now, but I feel pretty good about the recs handling any 2017 AAA title. Lemme know if it's helpful to you or if you've got questions about how it works.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Guys, I've been working on a tool and I was hoping for the community's feedback. I get it's self-promotional but I think it'll help people make better hardware decisions. If it's spam, I accept the mods' wrath.
I wanted to make it easier to visualize gaming performance, so we made this tool: http://amdahlcube.com. Basic idea was to match component colors to get a system of that level.
Next was to add in this health bar that shows what CPU affects and what GPU affects.
For all the basic questions about "does this CPU still hold up" or "do I need a new GPU", I figure this can give you a pretty good idea. Most of the older Intel stuff from 2nd gen on holds up really well.
It's still new, but I figured it's a better way of combining performance and pricing. It only covers FPS and Open World games right now, but I feel pretty good about the recs handling any 2017 AAA title. Lemme know if it's helpful to you or if you've got questions about how it works.
While I'm not sure if this is the right thread for it either, I actually really like this concept! I think it would benefit from specific game references rather than abstracts like 'first person shooter' and 'open world', but this is actually a really neat base for something I'd like to see become standard. Getting a quick, visual reference for how your system will perform, and where bottlenecks lie is really nice.
But I do stress it being a base. For some reason a GTX 970's info was unavailable, and admittedly I do have parts that just aren't listed. Some of that I recognise as being down to sheer age - my current PSU is a spare from my Dad's old rig - but I bought the Kolink Aviator case I'm currently using only a few weeks ago, and my Toshiba harddrive (admittedly my secondary, rather than primary storage) was gifted to me at Christmas, but they're not even listed as a manufacturer.
So yeah, develop this idea more. Would love to see it grow as a tool.
Thanks man. FPS is really just Battlefield 1, which was more demanding than any other FPS we found i.e. had lower framerates. So if a rig can play BF1 well, it's going to play DOOM and Prey well, etc. Same goes for Open World, which is just Watch Dogs 2. I'm going to add PUBG and some other eSports next, so I might end up breaking it out by individual game eventually.
For parts, we're limited by what data is available and the fact it's really just me doing it. I can make a lot of estimates, but we're trying to do the most recent GPUs first and hit some best sellers. I know cases, PSUs, and monitors are huge categories with thousands of choices, so we just grabbed the top rated/best sellers. We really want the performance data to be right and helpful before we try to cover the whole ecosystem.
BolognaOni
Member
I have a Noctua D15 on my current build, but honestly there are lots of other options that perform almost as well for quite a bit less money.
Check out Scythe FUMA- almost as good for under $50. If I was building today that's probably what I'd buy. Scythe has some other lower cost options as well. Thermalright TS 140/120 also good, Cryorig has good options as well.
In general, if you want to push the OC, I'd at least stick with the ~$50 models. There are options at ~30 as well, but raw performance does go down at that price point.
Yeah, that's probably just a side-grade for gaming. I'd just hold off for now.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Makes sense. It's why I hope you actually get some success with this, because if the ball gets rolling you should be able to accrue more useful and accurate data, until this becomes a very versatile point of reference.
Anyone?
It was just the 840 EVO, 850 never had that issue.
Got fixed with new firmware
Sändersson
Member
Welcome to the club. Even at 4.8 my max temps are around 85c with a kraken x62 with its default fans at 60%. Compared to my last prosessor which was 6700k and it ran at 4.7 with max temps at 75c with krakens fans at 40%.
It just feels so stupid that im able to hit 5ghz without too much voltage but cant use it because of heat..