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"I Need a New PC!" 2017 The Ryzing of Kaby Lake and NVMwhee!
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MikeBison
Member
See that arrow? That goes to positive.
You just been photobucket'd son.
But thanks. Just spotted the arrow and thought that must be positive.
Which has the writing facing down as per pin diagram.
(What had me unsure was the HD audio pin over a few inches to the left m has the pin face up as that's the only way it fits)
The selection for Mini ITX AM4 motherboards is terrible on Amazon and really everywhere else in the UK. I'd much prefer having Wi-Fi and Prime over neither if it's only a £20-or-so difference.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Dammit, can never tell with permissions and hotlinking.
But yeah, the arrow is the most common visual reference as far as I know. Why this isn't casually mentioned in motherboard manuals, I'm not entirely sure.
Okay yeah, fair point.
MikeBison
Member
The motherboard manual is expecting the wires to be different colours bur Corsair just make them both them same for coolness I guess.
TurboButts
Member
Hey, I'm feeling its just about time to upgrade my mini-ITX PC (built in Summer 2015) and was hoping you all could give me some guidance. I don't follow hardware news so I don't know if the new hotness is right around the corner or if now is the time to upgrade. Ya'll seem to be into that new AMD business, which I wasn't expecting.
Anyways, here's my current build: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/MechaKirby/saved/CTRZxr
(I actually have a G3258, but I couldn't find it on partpicker at the time I archived this build)
I built that with the intention of just upgrading the CPU later, but it seems I waited too long and now I also need a new motherboard and RAM, among other things.
Here's the revised build I started working on: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/MechaKirby/saved/LRZLD3
Seems a bit pricey, so I wanted some feedback on the CPU/motherboard/RAM/CPU cooler.
I already bought the SSD in that list because 128gb was really restricting. I've also almost completely filled my 1TB, so I want to jump up to 3.
I'm good with the 960 - I can live with that for a couple more years I feel.
Any help is appreciated, thanks
Anyways, here's my current build: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/MechaKirby/saved/CTRZxr
(I actually have a G3258, but I couldn't find it on partpicker at the time I archived this build)
I built that with the intention of just upgrading the CPU later, but it seems I waited too long and now I also need a new motherboard and RAM, among other things.
Here's the revised build I started working on: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/MechaKirby/saved/LRZLD3
Seems a bit pricey, so I wanted some feedback on the CPU/motherboard/RAM/CPU cooler.
I already bought the SSD in that list because 128gb was really restricting. I've also almost completely filled my 1TB, so I want to jump up to 3.
I'm good with the 960 - I can live with that for a couple more years I feel.
Any help is appreciated, thanks
JonnyDBrit
Member
To be honest, if you didn't want to spend too much, you could just upgrade the CPU. Being on that H97 board, you could pick up a used i7 4770(K) or 4790(K), and you could stick with the rest of your current parts.
Also, insert usual line about consideration of the Ryzen 1600 if you have any uses outside of pure gaming.
Phatosaurus
Member
Do you need a wireless mobo? If not, get a cheaper B350 board instead, put the extra money into faster RAM. The same set you have their at 3000mhz is only about £6 more.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Went over this above. The UK doesn't have many good options in terms of ITX Ryzen boards.
Phatosaurus
Member
Fair enough, thought it was just a regular Micro ATX board.
My main worry with that build is that I was a bit stupid when buying the PSU and got a full ATX sized one instead of a SFF. So one of the two fans on thr 1060 will be almost completely covered by the PSU. The Bitwit video on this shows that with such a setup the temps can reach near 85c or so. Is that fine fot some decently long play sessions?
Thanks for mentioning the RAM. Might put it to 3000Mhz if it's available on Prime.
Thanks for mentioning the RAM. Might put it to 3000Mhz if it's available on Prime.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Depending on if you play with headphones, perhaps editing the fan curve could alleviate that somewhat? Or was this with the fan at full tilt?
TurboButts
Member
That's interesting. Though, my board doesn't support overclocking I believe, so there may be a cheaper CPU I can go with? Ebay prices for 4790k's still seem to be around $250 ish :/
Do you think my build with that CPU + new SSD and HDD listed is relatively good for the next, say, 3-4 years? I will probably upgrade GPU at some point inbetween there. I do use photoshop, illustrator, premiere, etc. in addition to gaming.
Like I said, I don't pay attention to hardware news so I don't know what the deal is with with Ryzen 1600. I only know intel, really.
I'm not sure, I think he just had it on default. I wouldn't want it too be too loud as I've got flatmates in Uni this year.
My only two choices to alleviate any issues are buying a SFF PSU or buying a blower-style card, both of which'll cost me £70 or so more. If the temps won't kill the card within a year it shouldn't be much of an issue as I'm planning to upgrade in June.
Killer Queen
Banned
Motherboard arrived today
Kind of want to just assemble what i have just cuz i can.
Ive got
Case
Mobo
CPU
PSU
Cooler
Kind of want to just assemble what i have just cuz i can.
Ive got
Case
Mobo
CPU
PSU
Cooler
JonnyDBrit
Member
Hence I suggested the 4770. Not as strong a performer as the 4790, but more cheaply available (some buy it now prices at the $200 mark, possible to win it cheaper on auction). Still pricey, but cheaper than paying for a new motherboard and RAM on top of a new CPU. Below that the i5 4690k would be a potential option, and is cheaper still.
The thing with Ryzen meanwhile is that each individual performs decently, and it's got a lot of cores for its price. So for productivity purposes, because such programs tend to use more cores and threads than games do, there's a higher benefit that you would see how out of an equivalent intel chip.
That said, Intel do have Coffee Lake coming, which is adding two cores to each level of the core intel series.
Not sure if it would last the full 3-4 years - it depends on how core utilisation develops due to Ryzen and Coffee Lake - but it might do, and at the very least you'd see substantial gain from the G3258 you're currently using without having to make the full upgrade commitment.
Edit:
Same room flatmates, or no?
Because otherwise there's good odds they'd be on their own headphones half the time anyway.
MikeBison
Member
I've done the same thing this evening. Essentially everything other than my GPU turned up.
opticalmace
Member
I definitely would. Then when you get the other parts just throw them in and you're good to go. RAM/GPU tomorrow?
Killer Queen
Banned
Gunna wait til Friday when i have a bit more free time, but as for when i get my next parts, itll be maybe this weekend for storage and RAM, 2-3 weeks from now for GPU because that shits like $1,200cad in total and I ended up not planning accordingly for that. But at least with everything else done and set up, putting the rest together later on should be a simple process. Just really excited that this is finally coming together after wanting to build a PC since i was like 12-13
MikeBison
Member
I'm exactly the same. Although GPU should turn up tomorrow. But then I have the painful decision of do I finish building or get straight into Destiny 2 with all my destiny friends as my PS4 copy turns up tomorrow. Most likely a bit of both.
Thanks. Was going to purchase the Hybrid, but I got a deal on an EVGA 1080SC for $400 so I went with that.
Killer Queen
Banned
Im oy picking up Destiny 2 on PC (and only because its getting bundled with GPU) so i don't mind waiting, and luckily ill have my whole build set up abd running prior to release. More immediately excited to dig into Prey and Nier Automata, but im not in too much of a rush to play either. Also already got Wolfenstein pre ordered and might do the same for AC:Origins.
MikeBison
Member
Yeah I get a code too. But can't wait until then. Might make the switch once I've played it on PC though. Right there with you on Wolfenstein and origins. Might get AC unity on the cheap to really put my new setup through it's paces.
BuyDig is a big retailer. You're fine.
greendomo's ghost
Member
Here's what I ended up getting due to sales and what nots. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cKh6wV
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350-GAMING 3 ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory
Video Card: PNY - GeForce GTX 1060 3GB Video Card
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400 TEMPERED GLASS ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
After shipping and taxes the total is about $770. Friend is giving me a monitor and SSD, and I have a basic keyboard and mouse for now.
I know gpu isn't ideal but I got it from Walmart for $190 which seems to be decent in this current crazy gpu situation.
How does it look to the more experienced of you?
CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor
Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350-GAMING 3 ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: G.Skill - Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory
Video Card: PNY - GeForce GTX 1060 3GB Video Card
Case: Phanteks - ECLIPSE P400 TEMPERED GLASS ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: SeaSonic - S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
After shipping and taxes the total is about $770. Friend is giving me a monitor and SSD, and I have a basic keyboard and mouse for now.
I know gpu isn't ideal but I got it from Walmart for $190 which seems to be decent in this current crazy gpu situation.
How does it look to the more experienced of you?
Hello again!
I'll be building a new rig soon to play racing games at 1080p60fps and do the occasional photo editing. Since the z270 boards are "dead", I'm trying to put my Intel love aside and go with the red army this time.
The build I have in mind is actually pretty similar to the one from the above post. One thing I'm considering though is going with the 1200 and a cheap m-atx board for now and later change to an 8700k or get a 1600 if Intel drops the ball. What do you guys think?
Also, I'm tempted to get the 1070 instead of the 1060 6GB because it seems worth the extra and would be fine if I upgrade to 1440p.
I'll be building a new rig soon to play racing games at 1080p60fps and do the occasional photo editing. Since the z270 boards are "dead", I'm trying to put my Intel love aside and go with the red army this time.
The build I have in mind is actually pretty similar to the one from the above post. One thing I'm considering though is going with the 1200 and a cheap m-atx board for now and later change to an 8700k or get a 1600 if Intel drops the ball. What do you guys think?
Also, I'm tempted to get the 1070 instead of the 1060 6GB because it seems worth the extra and would be fine if I upgrade to 1440p.
opticalmace
Member
Yo. Hm, well first if you could fill out the survey from the OP that would help us figure out how best to help you!
ISee
Member
The 1060 3G is a bit slower then the 1060 6G but a descent card for 1080p/60. The problem are the 3GB of vram though. You will have to lower textures for many games, which will result in a worse looking game.
Still, a 1060 3G is a better choice then a 1050Ti with 4GB because it is significantly more easy to push for 60 FPS on the 3G then on the 1050Ti.
The rest of your build is fine. My recommendation: get the new volta $300 tier GPU next year, but if you don't mind lower quality textures in some games (~ps4 'amateur' level of textures) you will be able to hold out it till the next console generation starts. And after that you'll probably just need a new GPU...
Snakethesniper
Member
Is there a good Full HD Monitor that's not too big? I don't have much space on my desk at the moment
edit: I've read an Amazon review on the Ryzen 1600X saying that it's RAM-Hungry and that you should buy at least RAM with 3100+ of frequency. Is that correct??
edit: I've read an Amazon review on the Ryzen 1600X saying that it's RAM-Hungry and that you should buy at least RAM with 3100+ of frequency. Is that correct??
ISee
Member
No. A 1600X is just a 1600 with a higher out of the box clock frequency. In general one kind of CPU doesn't need more or less ram then another. An 8 years old Intel CPU will end up using the same amount of ram as a modern ryzen 5 CPU, when running the same software and OS.
Higher ram speeds can boost performance in CPU heavy gaming situations though. But that's the case for all modern AMD and Intel CPUs and isn't specific to some models.
Snakethesniper
Member
So with a 3000 frequency RAM I shouldn't have problems right?
ISee
Member
What kind of problems do you expect?
Snakethesniper
Member
Performance wise
ISee
Member
Of course not.
Snakethesniper
Member
Great, after informing myself a little, I think I'll give Ryzen 5 1600 a shot.
From what I get, it can work at the same frequency/OC of the X model and has already a decent cooler (and if it's not enough I can buy it later, saving a little for the time being), and considering that I want the possible lifetime from my components, I guess Ryzen is the most logic choice.
Also I see everyone here making builds with it too xD
Could I buy it in the recent future (september/october) or there's some warning "Wait till X since they will show Y and it might be better"
ISee
Member
Intel's new 6 core i5 8600 is going to have a paper launch soon and should available for purchase in the next 1-2 months. It has a good chance to take back the goto crown from the R5 1600. But we have to wait for benchmarks and see how expensive it is going to be in end.
MikeBison
Member
Ryzen is the new hotness
At least that's what I'm telling myself. Whilst putting that build together, I came to the conclusion that there's always a "wait for this". So just thought fuck it and pulled the trigger.
[Basic Desktop Questions]
Your Current Specs: Ryzen 1200 or 1600 / 16GB RAM / 1060 6GB or 1070 / ~100 B350 board / 650w PSU?
Budget: 700-1000 Portugal but can order from Amazon.es
Main Use: 5 Sim Racing / 2 Other Games / 2 photo and video editing / 2 Machine Learning code
Monitor Resolution: 1080p60FPS on my Dell 24u14h. Maybe in a year or so I'll try to get a 21:9 1440p or 4K 27 inch
List SPECIFIC games or applications that you MUST be able to run well: F1 2017 / Forza 7 / Pcars 2 / Assetto Corsa / Adobe Light room
Looking to reuse any parts?: Hyper 212 Evo / Crucial SSD 250GB / WD Blue 1TB HDD
When will you build?: Do you have a deadline? How long can you wait? This month
Will you be overclocking?: Yes
Basically I'm trying to decide between going with a cheap board and the 1200 while I wait for the new 8700k or getting the 1600 and not worrying about the CPU for a few years
Snakethesniper
Member
Ryzen is the new hotness
At least that's what I'm telling myself. Whilst putting that build together, I came to the conclusion that there's always a "wait for this". So just thought fuck it and pulled the trigger.
Yeah that's my conclusion too.
Speaking of B350 models, is there a particular one suggested? Like, manifacturer
edit: stupid question, but for example a MOBO like
, using a 3000 frequency ram it's a problem with the 2933 value??
MikeBison
Member
The MSI Tomahawk one is what I got and seems to be the most popular. It's mid range in price but is suitable for overclocking. The next ones up tend to have support for SLI but that's not for me.
JonnyDBrit
Member
That's just a rounding thing really. As best I can figure, though I don't understand the underlying mechanics, DDR4 RAM goes up in increments of 266.5. I mean, you can technically overclock 2400 Mhz RAM higher if you want, but it's not rated for that. And 3000 does sound slightly better than 2933, no?
Edit:
So if you were to turn on the XMP profile for your RAM, it'll just set to 2933, I think
Snakethesniper
Member
Thank you both.
Is overclocking difficult CPU wise? I know that with the intel K series you can just change I think a parameter on the bios to do it, how does it work for Ryzen?
MikeBison
Member
There's loads of videos out there specifically for Ryzen. I watched some yesterday and it all seems very easy to do. Can either do it with Ryzen Master I think it's called, or through your MB bios.
Videos go through all the parameters and how much to increase them by safely etc.
Snakethesniper
Member
Speaking of the Tomahawk, how do you find it? I keep reading about BIOS problems, in particular with the Ram frequency and long POST boot
I saw the Asrock Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4 as an alternative
edit:
How does it look?
MikeBison
Member
My stuff only turned up yesterday and i've started putting it together, but my GPU hasn't arrived yet. So can't tell you.
I have downloaded the latest BIOS to a flash drive though and will overwrite with that before anything else.
I get the impression (but as always, someone with much more knowledge could correct me or elaborate) that the RAM compatibility issues were more of a thing at launch and it's settled down now. Especially with recent updates and drivers.
JonnyDBrit
Member
Just checked what I think is the compatibility list:
http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4/#Memory
And your RAM isn't on it. It might work at higher frequencies, it might not. It might work up to 2667 Mhz instead of 2933. Hard to say, but it should post at least. It's certainly low profile, fairly reliable stuff though.
Snakethesniper
Member
Argh.. What about the b350 Tomahawk? I'm looking at the website but can't find the information
JonnyDBrit
Member
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350-TOMAHAWK#support-mem-1
Scanning the list now
Edit:
Okay so, the exact memory isn't on the list, however, higher rated versions of the same series are. So I'd wager it's probably okay