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"I Need a New PC!" 2017 The Ryzing of Kaby Lake and NVMwhee!

AsianOni

Member
GTX 1080 at ~AU$570 shipped. https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B01JULECKI/

Should I go for this or continue waiting for Vega?

The rest of my planned build: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/JmvFr7

I just bought it this morning. It's probably one of the best deal available (for my location). My 780 died last week and planned to wait for the Vega/Volta announcements but the price was too good.

If you're not in a hurry, I'd advise to wait. More price drops will happen, following the new GPU announcements.

Concerning this particular 1080 itself, it's based on the Founders Edition, with only the cooler changed (and a bit of O/C applied). Some reports indicate that it's not the most silent card but it's still cooler than the reference design. PNY has a 3 years warranty (but only in France I suppose).
 

ISee

Member
GTX 1080 at ~AU$570 shipped. https://www.amazon.fr/dp/B01JULECKI/

Should I go for this or continue waiting for Vega?

The rest of my planned build: https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/JmvFr7

A GTX 1080 for the price of a GTX 1070 is a very good deal. Will vega be better? Nobody knows. Will it be similar to a 1080 but cost even less then this model? I also have no idea. But I'm a bit cautious about amd vega and nvidia volta atm. Expectations are over the top for both architectures and only based on some vague 1-2 years old graphs.

So if you're looking to build your pc now and you're looking for a very good 1080p/1440p card go for it. If you want a 1-2 years future proof 4k build you'll have to wait for vega/volta and/or you'll need to spend more money.
 

Enlil

Member
Well being honest, upgrading from the 680 in general would still be a worthwhile idea, though I suppose you can put it off.

What kind of budget are you working with? I presume from the context you're wanting to build a sort of entry level machine for your sibling?

The chances are he will probably only play this game. but just in case the rest has to be future proof. if it can be around 500-800 that would be good, but money is not a problem, but dont want to waste my money to be honest.
 
The chances are he will probably only play this game. but just in case the rest has to be future proof. if it can be around 500-800 that would be good, but money is not a problem, but dont want to waste my money to be honest.

Well, assuming you're working with dollars, something along the lines of:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($59.48 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-B250M-DS3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($62.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($122.99 @ Best Buy)
Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($83.85 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.33 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB SSC GAMING ACX 3.0 Video Card ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill SRM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($21.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $559.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-27 09:06 EDT-0400

This should serve their purposes. The 1050 Ti is for completionist's sake, and performs only a bit better than the 680 (however much more power efficient it is), so you could drop it from the list to leave 440 dollars to spend. They'd have a fast booting PC, plenty of space for games, and in general it would perform well at medium and high settings on stuff like The Witcher 3, Battlefield 1, etc. Though it wouldn't be 'future proof' so much as it would be future capable - the kabylake architecture and LGA1151 slot would allow them to potentially pick up an i5 or i7 in future if they so desired, removing any CPU bottleneck if and when they get a beefier graphics card.

If you want to treat them a little you could swap out the G4560 with an i5-7500 as is, at which point the GPU will be the definite bottleneck of the system. Any upgrade in that regard would be looking at the RX 570/GTX 1060 3GB or higher, with the RX 580/GTX 1060 6GB being what would fit in your budget.
 
Has anyone tried Intel Optane memory?
I considering getting the 32GB stick (whenever available) but want to hear some first impressions (not form PC building websites)
 

RS4-

Member
Quick question in re: to ram.

I currently have 8GB of DDR3. 8-8-8-24, 1600. Gskill Ripjaws.

I'm going to pick up another pair second hand, two options, both Ripjaws, both 1.5v.

- 9-9-9-24, 1600
- 9-10-9-28, 1866

I understand that my mobo should just handle it just fine, if not, I can always match the timings.

Just go for either one?
 
Quick progress pic on my water build. Decided to move the reservoir up a bit so more measuring and drilling into the case. I fucking hate measuring! Now I really have to make a decision on the tube layout. Nothing is lining up to make it easy, so I'm working out bends.

I decided I'm going to mount my PS4 to the back of this case. Already have the PS4 mount and just need to replace screws with nuts and bolts and it looks like it should work fine.

Along with console mount I got two controller mounts. The idea is to have the red controller connected to PC and black to PS4. I'm velcroing them in various places to see what works and looks best. I wanted to put the red one on the front of the case (where the PC components are) but don't think I'll have the space.

A lot still to do but I'm getting there.

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And this is the operating table and how I cover it up to keep our curious cat from stepping over shit and shedding into components


Well, assuming you're working with dollars, something along the lines of:
PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

.

As you noted, he should step up on CPU and GPU.

If the budget is 500-800, no reason to favor the bottom end, and if you want future-proofing, it's not a waste.
 

Weevilone

Member
Has anyone tried Intel Optane memory?
I considering getting the 32GB stick (whenever available) but want to hear some first impressions (not form PC building websites)

I ordered one to tinker with, but I don't expect much. Will probably go into a box for the kids later as they use some spinners. That or I'll go back to a big spinner for Steam and use Optane to help.
 

ISee

Member
Quick question in re: to ram.

I currently have 8GB of DDR3. 8-8-8-24, 1600. Gskill Ripjaws.

I'm going to pick up another pair second hand, two options, both Ripjaws, both 1.5v.

- 9-9-9-24, 1600
- 9-10-9-28, 1866

I understand that my mobo should just handle it just fine, if not, I can always match the timings.

Just go for either one?

In general faster clocking ram is preferable even if the latency is a bit slower (for gaming).
But Ram was always tricky, because every Ram module needs to be at the same timings and clock speed.
If you don't want to buy a completely new kit of 2x8gb get whatever is the cheaper option and try to match clockspeeds and timings by either overclocking one or down clocking the other (or both...). Your most promising option would be to get the 9-9-9-24, 1600 ram stick and to adjust timings on your old ram module.
But even then it might just not work, sometimes separately bought ram modules just refuse to work together.

Has anyone tried Intel Optane memory?
I considering getting the 32GB stick (whenever available) but want to hear some first impressions (not form PC building websites)

Read about it. It's very nice if you're still on an HDD drive but rather pointless for systems on SSD(s), if the SSD is at least a bit capable. But even then you will of course get the extra second or two when booting or when loading a game.
 

NOKYARD

Member
I have a friend who is building a new PC.
Can anyone suggest changes which will allow him to upgrade from a 1060 to a 1070.
I have already suggested he find a Win10 key elsewhere saving $100.
He has already purchased the 550w psu, 4TB hdd, and X-predator II case.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7600 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus STRIX Z270-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($186.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($164.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Desktop HDD 4TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $108.09)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Strix Video Card ($264.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Aerocool XPREDATOR II BLACK ATX Full Tower Case (Purchased)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $54.99)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($54.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($138.88 @ OutletPC)
Software: Cyberlink PowerDVD 15 Ultra Software
Fan Controller: NZXT SENTRY 3 Fan Controller ($33.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: Asus VA32AQ 31.5" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor ($339.00 @ B&H)
Mouse: Logitech G602 Wireless Optical Mouse ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Headphones: Astro A40 TR Headset
Other: Elgato Game Capture HD60 Pro, stream and record in 1080p60, superior low latency technology, H.264 hardware encoding, PCIe ($199.99 @ Best Buy)
Other: Aerocool X-Predator II Full Tower Gaming Case with USB 3 LED Fan - White
Other: NETGEAR Nighthawk AC1900 Dual Band Wi-Fi Gigabit Router (R7000) ($159.00 @ Amazon)
Other: NZXT Internal USB Hub
Other: ODST Battle NEW Favor Super Big Mouse Pads Gift 900*400*3mm(35.43*15.75*0.12inch)
Total: $2135.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-27 15:16 EDT-0400
 
I have a friend who is building a new PC.
Can anyone suggest changes which will allow him to upgrade from a 1060 to a 1070.
I have already suggested he find a Win10 key elsewhere saving $100.
He has already purchased the 550w psu, 4TB hdd, and X-predator II case.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7600 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus STRIX Z270-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($186.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($164.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Desktop HDD 4TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $108.09)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Strix Video Card ($264.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Aerocool XPREDATOR II BLACK ATX Full Tower Case (Purchased)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $54.99)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($54.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($138.88 @ OutletPC)
Software: Cyberlink PowerDVD 15 Ultra Software
Fan Controller: NZXT SENTRY 3 Fan Controller ($33.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: Asus VA32AQ 31.5" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor ($339.00 @ B&H)
Mouse: Logitech G602 Wireless Optical Mouse ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Headphones: Astro A40 TR Headset
Other: Elgato Game Capture HD60 Pro, stream and record in 1080p60, superior low latency technology, H.264 hardware encoding, PCIe ($199.99 @ Best Buy)
Other: Aerocool X-Predator II Full Tower Gaming Case with USB 3 LED Fan - White
Other: NETGEAR Nighthawk AC1900 Dual Band Wi-Fi Gigabit Router (R7000) ($159.00 @ Amazon)
Other: NZXT Internal USB Hub
Other: ODST Battle NEW Favor Super Big Mouse Pads Gift 900*400*3mm(35.43*15.75*0.12inch)
Total: $2135.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-27 15:16 EDT-0400

RAM and Motherboard seem like where he could shave the most in costs. Any particular reason for those choice of brands?
 
Here is my new build for video editing and gaming:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($316.88 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($119.89 @ OutletPC)
Thermal Compound: ARCTIC MX4 4g Thermal Paste ($6.45 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI B350 TOMAHAWK ATX AM4 Motherboard ($108.29 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($254.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk SSD PLUS 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($54.95 @ Adorama)
Storage: Western Digital BLACK SERIES 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($117.33 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8GB SC GAMING ACX 3.0 Black Edition Video Card ($374.00 @ Amazon)
Case: NZXT S340 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($89.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G2 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Amazon)
Case Fan: NZXT Aer RGB120 61.4 CFM 120mm Fan ($24.99 @ NCIX US)
Case Fan: NZXT Aer RGB140 71.6 CFM 140mm Fan ($29.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1597.74
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-27 15:45 EDT-0400
 
Not sure. The more i look at the list the more perplexed i become. Using a Z MB on a non-K CPU? Wireless for gaming?

Then yeah, I suggest he scale back the motherboard if he doesn't intend for an unlocked CPU. Hell even if he does and proceeds to get the 7600k or some such, he could still pick up a cheaper motherboard from it.
 
I have a friend who is building a new PC.
Can anyone suggest changes which will allow him to upgrade from a 1060 to a 1070.
I have already suggested he find a Win10 key elsewhere saving $100.
He has already purchased the 550w psu, 4TB hdd, and X-predator II case.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7600 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus STRIX Z270-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($186.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($164.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Desktop HDD 4TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $108.09)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Strix Video Card ($264.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Aerocool XPREDATOR II BLACK ATX Full Tower Case (Purchased)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $54.99)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($54.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($138.88 @ OutletPC)
Software: Cyberlink PowerDVD 15 Ultra Software
Fan Controller: NZXT SENTRY 3 Fan Controller ($33.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: Asus VA32AQ 31.5" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor ($339.00 @ B&H)
Mouse: Logitech G602 Wireless Optical Mouse ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Headphones: Astro A40 TR Headset
Other: Elgato Game Capture HD60 Pro, stream and record in 1080p60, superior low latency technology, H.264 hardware encoding, PCIe ($199.99 @ Best Buy)
Other: Aerocool X-Predator II Full Tower Gaming Case with USB 3 LED Fan - White
Other: NETGEAR Nighthawk AC1900 Dual Band Wi-Fi Gigabit Router (R7000) ($159.00 @ Amazon)
Other: NZXT Internal USB Hub
Other: ODST Battle NEW Favor Super Big Mouse Pads Gift 900*400*3mm(35.43*15.75*0.12inch)
Total: $2135.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-27 15:16 EDT-0400

It may just be me but a rule I have is if you are planning to spend 2+ grand on a PC, it's crazy to end up with an i5 that isn't even unlocked. And he's getting a mobo made for OC'ing but with a locked processor.

Also, spending almost the same amount of money on a game capture card as the GPU? What? How much game capturing does he do?

Makes much more sense to buy a cheaper device, or nix it altogether and use software, and spend that money on a better GPU. 2100 dollar machine with a 1060 just doesn't make sense to me.
 
Are there any mainstream new motherboards that support USB-C and/or Thunderbolt 3 out of the box?

I have an Apple Thunderbolt display (which will work with a USB-C that has Thunderbolt support, which all Mac USB-C's do), and I'd prefer to use that until I get a new monitor, but I dunno about the USB C support that has Thunderbolt for PCs. Any ideas?
 

Weevilone

Member
Are there any mainstream new motherboards that support USB-C and/or Thunderbolt 3 out of the box?

I have an Apple Thunderbolt display (which will work with a USB-C that has Thunderbolt support, which all Mac USB-C's do), and I'd prefer to use that until I get a new monitor, but I dunno about the USB C support that has Thunderbolt for PCs. Any ideas?

A lot of that depends on how you want to roll video wise. If you want fast video then you need a configuration that has DisplayPort input and Thunderbolt output. I went with Asus (otherwise I'd stay away) that uses the add-in card for this purpose.

Most boards with Thunderbolt support only output integrated video via TB.

Also, there's an Apple display with TB3 support? Or you plan to use an adapter? FYI the Apple TB3->TB2 adapter requires OSX for drivers apparently. I can't get it to work with Windows.
 
I have a friend who is building a new PC.
Can anyone suggest changes which will allow him to upgrade from a 1060 to a 1070.
I have already suggested he find a Win10 key elsewhere saving $100.
He has already purchased the 550w psu, 4TB hdd, and X-predator II case.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-7600 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($214.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Asus STRIX Z270-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($186.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($164.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Seagate Desktop HDD 4TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive (Purchased For $108.09)
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB Strix Video Card ($264.98 @ Newegg)
Case: Aerocool XPREDATOR II BLACK ATX Full Tower Case (Purchased)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $54.99)
Optical Drive: Asus BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer ($54.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($138.88 @ OutletPC)
Software: Cyberlink PowerDVD 15 Ultra Software
Fan Controller: NZXT SENTRY 3 Fan Controller ($33.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Monitor: Asus VA32AQ 31.5" 2560x1440 60Hz Monitor ($339.00 @ B&H)
Mouse: Logitech G602 Wireless Optical Mouse ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Headphones: Astro A40 TR Headset
Other: Elgato Game Capture HD60 Pro, stream and record in 1080p60, superior low latency technology, H.264 hardware encoding, PCIe ($199.99 @ Best Buy)
Other: Aerocool X-Predator II Full Tower Gaming Case with USB 3 LED Fan - White
Other: NETGEAR Nighthawk AC1900 Dual Band Wi-Fi Gigabit Router (R7000) ($159.00 @ Amazon)
Other: NZXT Internal USB Hub
Other: ODST Battle NEW Favor Super Big Mouse Pads Gift 900*400*3mm(35.43*15.75*0.12inch)
Total: $2135.63
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-27 15:16 EDT-0400
Get him a Ryzen 5 1600 and a Gigabyte Gaming 3 B350 mobo. You pay slightly more for the CPU, but save a lot on the mobo.

Also, get a different cooler, like the DeepCool Gammaxx 400, even if he doesn't switch to Ryzen. The Hyper 212 Evo's mounting system is a horrific pain in the ass.
 

liezryou

Member
Get him a Ryzen 5 1600 and a Gigabyte Gaming 3 B350 mobo. You pay slightly more for the CPU, but save a lot on the mobo.

Also, get a different cooler, like the DeepCool Gammaxx 400, even if he doesn't switch to Ryzen. The Hyper 212 Evo's mounting system is a horrific pain in the ass.

Agreed about the hyper 212, but i would recommend the cryorig m9i cryorig m9a instead. It outperforms them both and it even easier to mount then the deepcool. And it's 5$ cheaper to boot.
 
Considering my next PC move and I'm at a bit of a crossroads. My current setup:

i5 3570k @ 3.6 GHz (still running stock cooler, also mistakenly ran it at 4.0GHz for YEARS, oooooooops)
GTX 1080 (just got this)
16GB DDR3-1600 RAM

The goal is 1920x1200 @ 60fps. Now, to be clear, this is a pretty solid system that should hit this in most games. What I'm asking is less "please fix my computer it is busted," and more "what's the next obvious upgrade path for this machine?" I've found that with the GTX 970 I used to have, it was tough getting solid 30fps in some games (Mirror's Edge Catalyst, and more recently Forza Horizon 3). The GTX 1080 has mostly solved my Forza issues, and I'm assuming it'll fix my Mirror's Edge issues as well (I hope), but I'm worried my CPU will need replacing sooner rather than later.

The general consensus is that the i5 3570k is only marginally worse than current-gen CPUs on both sides, but then there was that Digital Foundry video for Forza Horizon 3 where later-generation CPUs made a real difference. So I kind of don't know what to do for my next move. I'm happy to sit on my build for a bit, but if there are real gains I could be making now I wouldn't mind being able to update a whole bunch of my old hardware. Also there's been a lot of talk lately about Ryzen being better in real-world use because most people don't actually close all their programs when they play games, and I am 100% guilty of that personally. Anyways, here are what I think are my options:

0) do nothing - free!
1) buy a new CPU cooler, overclock the i5 3570k higher (but have I already kind of wrecked it by running it so hot for so long already?) - $50-100 CAD
2) Ryzen 5, seems like the 1600 is the sweet spot? - $280 CAD + motherboard and RAM costs
3) i5 6600k/7600k - $260-310 CAD depending on sales + motherboard and RAM costs

Obviously, a graphics card upgrade would give me more bang for the buck than any of these options, which is why I now have a GTX 1080. But I figure a year down the line, it'll be really obvious that my CPU/mobo/RAM setup is due for an upgrade, and I'm happy to get ahead of that now if there will be actual gains. What say you, GAF?
 
Considering my next PC move and I'm at a bit of a crossroads. My current setup:

i5 3570k @ 3.6 GHz (still running stock cooler, also mistakenly ran it at 4.0GHz for YEARS, oooooooops)
GTX 1080 (just got this)
16GB DDR3-1600 RAM

The goal is 1920x1200 @ 60fps. Now, to be clear, this is a pretty solid system that should hit this in most games. What I'm asking is less "please fix my computer it is busted," and more "what's the next obvious upgrade path for this machine?" I've found that with the GTX 970 I used to have, it was tough getting solid 30fps in some games (Mirror's Edge Catalyst, and more recently Forza Horizon 3). The GTX 1080 has mostly solved my Forza issues, and I'm assuming it'll fix my Mirror's Edge issues as well (I hope), but I'm worried my CPU will need replacing sooner rather than later.

The general consensus is that the i5 3570k is only marginally worse than current-gen CPUs on both sides, but then there was that Digital Foundry video for Forza Horizon 3 where later-generation CPUs made a real difference. So I kind of don't know what to do for my next move. I'm happy to sit on my build for a bit, but if there are real gains I could be making now I wouldn't mind being able to update a whole bunch of my old hardware. Also there's been a lot of talk lately about Ryzen being better in real-world use because most people don't actually close all their programs when they play games, and I am 100% guilty of that personally. Anyways, here are what I think are my options:

0) do nothing - free!
1) buy a new CPU cooler, overclock the i5 3570k higher (but have I already kind of wrecked it by running it so hot for so long already?) - $50-100 CAD
2) Ryzen 5, seems like the 1600 is the sweet spot? - $280 CAD + motherboard and RAM costs
3) i5 6600k/7600k - $260-310 CAD depending on sales + motherboard and RAM costs

Obviously, a graphics card upgrade would give me more bang for the buck than any of these options, which is why I now have a GTX 1080. But I figure a year down the line, it'll be really obvious that my CPU/mobo/RAM setup is due for an upgrade, and I'm happy to get ahead of that now if there will be actual gains. What say you, GAF?
Depends on what kind of games you play. I went from an i5-3570K to a Ryzen 5 1600X because Mass Effect: Andromeda started maxing out my CPU (with settings turned down from high) and XCOM 2 couldn't get to 60FPS at 1080p while only using two cores for shaders.

That said, I haven't had time to actually test this stuff, because I literally put the Ryzen stuff in last night and only got Windows 10 installed on my SSD about two hours ago.
 

ISee

Member
Considering my next PC move and I'm at a bit of a crossroads. My current setup:

i5 3570k @ 3.6 GHz (still running stock cooler, also mistakenly ran it at 4.0GHz for YEARS, oooooooops)
GTX 1080 (just got this)
16GB DDR3-1600 RAM

The goal is 1920x1200 @ 60fps. Now, to be clear, this is a pretty solid system that should hit this in most games. What I'm asking is less "please fix my computer it is busted," and more "what's the next obvious upgrade path for this machine?" I've found that with the GTX 970 I used to have, it was tough getting solid 30fps in some games (Mirror's Edge Catalyst, and more recently Forza Horizon 3). The GTX 1080 has mostly solved my Forza issues, and I'm assuming it'll fix my Mirror's Edge issues as well (I hope), but I'm worried my CPU will need replacing sooner rather than later.

The general consensus is that the i5 3570k is only marginally worse than current-gen CPUs on both sides, but then there was that Digital Foundry video for Forza Horizon 3 where later-generation CPUs made a real difference. So I kind of don't know what to do for my next move. I'm happy to sit on my build for a bit, but if there are real gains I could be making now I wouldn't mind being able to update a whole bunch of my old hardware. Also there's been a lot of talk lately about Ryzen being better in real-world use because most people don't actually close all their programs when they play games, and I am 100% guilty of that personally. Anyways, here are what I think are my options:

0) do nothing - free!
1) buy a new CPU cooler, overclock the i5 3570k higher (but have I already kind of wrecked it by running it so hot for so long already?) - $50-100 CAD
2) Ryzen 5, seems like the 1600 is the sweet spot? - $280 CAD + motherboard and RAM costs
3) i5 6600k/7600k - $260-310 CAD depending on sales + motherboard and RAM costs

Obviously, a graphics card upgrade would give me more bang for the buck than any of these options, which is why I now have a GTX 1080. But I figure a year down the line, it'll be really obvious that my CPU/mobo/RAM setup is due for an upgrade, and I'm happy to get ahead of that now if there will be actual gains. What say you, GAF?

The "r5 or i5" decision isn't easy. Many people make a lot of assumptions and see whatever they want to see. In general the 7600k is faster than the 1600 in today gaming scenarios, especially overclocked (4.8ghz should be easily doable) so it would be a better match for a high end GPU. Will this stay this way? Will the 1600 overtake its competitor one day because of the two extra cores and hyper threading? Or will the 7600k stay ahead because of the faster clockspeed and better per core performance? There is really no way to tell without time travel. You'll have to swallow the bitter pill of guessing, like the rest of us, and make this decision for yourself. All I can say: Both are good CPUs and have things speaking for them.
But there is another option: You could buy a 3770k and overclock it. It will fit, it isn't too expansive (~200€), you won't need a new mb and ram and it is surprising how well the 3770k holds up, especially compared to his 3570k brother. This way you can postpone the amd vs intel question for 1-2 more years and just wait out till it is clear how things are going to evolve (or maybe just wait for coffee lake).

Holding out without doing something isn't an option btw (not for 1-2 years at least). I said goodbye to my 3570k about 1.5 years ago. It even bottle necked my gtx 980 and modern games like Watch_Dogs 2, Total War Hammer or ME:A are very dependent on fast CPUs if you wish for 60fps on high settings. The 3570k will run into problems here, even paired with a 1080.
 

Servbot #42

Unconfirmed Member
^I'm personally a big fan of the S340 and S340 Elite

The S340 is only 50$ at Newegg (unless the promo ended) which seems like a steal for that case. The DVD is really no big deal for most. When is the last time you really needed one?

I have the S340 in white and it looks amazing.

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Thanks guys! i'm gonna go with the S340 in black/blue, the elite just seems a bit too expensive for me right now.
 

ZOONAMI

Junior Member
Anyone have any idea if a 4790k or 5775c is a meaningful upgrade to a Xeon 1231v3?

Would going ryzen 1600x or ryzen 7 be meaningfully more beneficial?

I guess I just don't think there's enough there to move off the 1231v3 yet.

Seems like getting another 1070 and running sli would be more beneficial for less money than any of the above options.

There's some vids on YouTube and the Xeon pretty much sticks with a 4790k at 4.7ghz. Lags behind a 4.7ghz 4790k in GTA5 5-10 frames but most other games it's sticking right with it.
 

ZOONAMI

Junior Member
Considering my next PC move and I'm at a bit of a crossroads. My current setup:

i5 3570k @ 3.6 GHz (still running stock cooler, also mistakenly ran it at 4.0GHz for YEARS, oooooooops)
GTX 1080 (just got this)
16GB DDR3-1600 RAM

The goal is 1920x1200 @ 60fps. Now, to be clear, this is a pretty solid system that should hit this in most games. What I'm asking is less "please fix my computer it is busted," and more "what's the next obvious upgrade path for this machine?" I've found that with the GTX 970 I used to have, it was tough getting solid 30fps in some games (Mirror's Edge Catalyst, and more recently Forza Horizon 3). The GTX 1080 has mostly solved my Forza issues, and I'm assuming it'll fix my Mirror's Edge issues as well (I hope), but I'm worried my CPU will need replacing sooner rather than later.

The general consensus is that the i5 3570k is only marginally worse than current-gen CPUs on both sides, but then there was that Digital Foundry video for Forza Horizon 3 where later-generation CPUs made a real difference. So I kind of don't know what to do for my next move. I'm happy to sit on my build for a bit, but if there are real gains I could be making now I wouldn't mind being able to update a whole bunch of my old hardware. Also there's been a lot of talk lately about Ryzen being better in real-world use because most people don't actually close all their programs when they play games, and I am 100% guilty of that personally. Anyways, here are what I think are my options:

0) do nothing - free!
1) buy a new CPU cooler, overclock the i5 3570k higher (but have I already kind of wrecked it by running it so hot for so long already?) - $50-100 CAD
2) Ryzen 5, seems like the 1600 is the sweet spot? - $280 CAD + motherboard and RAM costs
3) i5 6600k/7600k - $260-310 CAD depending on sales + motherboard and RAM costs

Obviously, a graphics card upgrade would give me more bang for the buck than any of these options, which is why I now have a GTX 1080. But I figure a year down the line, it'll be really obvious that my CPU/mobo/RAM setup is due for an upgrade, and I'm happy to get ahead of that now if there will be actual gains. What say you, GAF?

Stock cooler should handle 4ghz no problem. I ran a 4690k at 4.5ghz turbo boost and temps were fine at load.
 
Depends on what kind of games you play. I went from an i5-3570K to a Ryzen 5 1600X because Mass Effect: Andromeda started maxing out my CPU (with settings turned down from high) and XCOM 2 couldn't get to 60FPS at 1080p while only using two cores for shaders.

That said, I haven't had time to actually test this stuff, because I literally put the Ryzen stuff in last night and only got Windows 10 installed on my SSD about two hours ago.

I'll be curious to see your impressions, if you plan on posting them. Mass Effect Andromeda is indeed one of the games I'm a little concerned about, though for the most part it runs decently (feels like it's above 30fps but definitely not 60fps all the time).

P.S. I feel like I may have commented on this in some random thread somewhere, but: nice name/avatar. S:AAB forever.

The "r5 or i5" decision isn't easy. Many people make a lot of assumptions and see whatever they want to see. In general the 7600k is faster than the 1600 in today gaming scenarios, especially overclocked (4.8ghz should be easily doable) so it would be a better match for a high end GPU. Will this stay this way? Will the 1600 overtake its competitor one day because of the two extra cores and hyper threading? Or will the 7600k stay ahead because of the faster clockspeed and better per core performance? There is really no way to tell without time travel. You'll have to swallow the bitter pill of guessing, like the rest of us, and make this decision for yourself. All I can say: Both are good CPUs and have things speaking for them.
But there is another option: You could buy a 3770k and overclock it. It will fit, it isn't too expansive (~200€), you won't need a new mb and ram and it is surprising how well the 3770k holds up, especially compared to his 3570k brother. This way you can postpone the amd vs intel question for 1-2 more years and just wait out till it is clear how things are going to evolve (or maybe just wait for coffee lake).

Holding out without doing something isn't an option btw (not for 1-2 years at least). I said goodbye to my 3570k about 1.5 years ago. It even bottle necked my gtx 980 and modern games like Watch_Dogs 2, Total War Hammer or ME:A are very dependent on fast CPUs if you wish for 60fps on high settings. The 3570k will run into problems here, even paired with a 1080.

That's helpful to know. I do get that feeling that I'm being held back but between the articles about a Ryzen 1700 actually being SLOWER than an overclocked i5 3570k in some games, and the general consensus that each successive generation of Intel chips has only brought ~10% performance improvements if that, it was hard to know if I was just itching for an upgrade because reasons. I don't know if a 3770k is an option because I don't really want to buy a used chip and trying to buy that new in Canada is probably a fool's errand at this point.

Stock cooler should handle 4ghz no problem. I ran a 4690k at 4.5ghz turbo boost and temps were fine at load.

I was definitely hitting 95C+ at my original 4.0GHz clocks during CPU stress tests I did late last year in an attempt to figure out my Forza issues. Also, for years I remember a general instability in certain games, where the computer would suddenly restart without warning. I feel now that it was probably due to me overclocking way past what I should have.
 
Alright, ready to get this build underway.

I'm only interested in 1080p gaming right now. This budget build is to ease me back into PC games. I don't play a whole lot as it is, so I didn't want to blow $1k off the bat. I picked these parts because I can easily swap out my CPU and GPU in a year if I really get back into PC gaming. Trying to keep the build (tower only) under $500 USD.

Here's the build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($59.48 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI B250I PRO Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.25 @ OutletPC)
Case: Fractal Design Define Nano S Mini ITX Desktop Case ($51.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($51.89 @ Newegg)
Total: $351.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-28 01:31 EDT-0400

I left the GPU slot open. I'm thinking RX470/570 4gb, but there have been some seriously good sales on the 1050 Ti lately (1050 Ti SC is currently $115 on amazon, leaning towards that). My build also doesn't have an SSD, which may or may not be a problem, not really concerned with an extra min or two to boot windows. While an ITX is not necessary, I do prefer a smaller case. The Fractal Design Mini C looks nice which is a mATX but costs almost double. I like these Fractal cases due to low noise while still having a window.

I'm currently using a very old Gateway LCD monitor 1680x1050 5ms. Should probably get a new one but want to keep it relatively cheap (under $150 if possible) in the 23"-27" size.

Thanks in advance!
 

liezryou

Member
Alright, ready to get this build underway.

I'm only interested in 1080p gaming right now. This budget build is to ease me back into PC games. I don't play a whole lot as it is, so I didn't want to blow $1k off the bat. I picked these parts because I can easily swap out my CPU and GPU in a year if I really get back into PC gaming. Trying to keep the build (tower only) under $500 USD.

Here's the build:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($59.48 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: MSI B250I PRO Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.25 @ OutletPC)
Case: Fractal Design Define Nano S Mini ITX Desktop Case ($51.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($51.89 @ Newegg)
Total: $351.59
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-28 01:31 EDT-0400

I left the GPU slot open. I'm thinking RX470/570 4gb, but there have been some seriously good sales on the 1050 Ti lately (1050 Ti SC is currently $115 on amazon, leaning towards that). My build also doesn't have an SSD, which may or may not be a problem, not really concerned with an extra min or two to boot windows. While an ITX is not necessary, I do prefer a smaller case. The Fractal Design Mini C looks nice which is a mATX but costs almost double. I like these Fractal cases due to low noise while still having a window.

I'm currently using a very old Gateway LCD monitor 1680x1050 5ms. Should probably get a new one but want to keep it relatively cheap (under $150 if possible) in the 23"-27" size.

Thanks in advance!

You will be fine without an SSD, it makes no sense in budget builds. By any chance do you have a microcenter near you? They have some killer combos and deals sometimes that make budget builds insane. Like this 110$ RX 470.
 

laxu

Member
Considering my next PC move and I'm at a bit of a crossroads. My current setup:

i5 3570k @ 3.6 GHz (still running stock cooler, also mistakenly ran it at 4.0GHz for YEARS, oooooooops)
GTX 1080 (just got this)
16GB DDR3-1600 RAM

The goal is 1920x1200 @ 60fps. Now, to be clear, this is a pretty solid system that should hit this in most games. What I'm asking is less "please fix my computer it is busted," and more "what's the next obvious upgrade path for this machine?" I've found that with the GTX 970 I used to have, it was tough getting solid 30fps in some games (Mirror's Edge Catalyst, and more recently Forza Horizon 3). The GTX 1080 has mostly solved my Forza issues, and I'm assuming it'll fix my Mirror's Edge issues as well (I hope), but I'm worried my CPU will need replacing sooner rather than later.

The general consensus is that the i5 3570k is only marginally worse than current-gen CPUs on both sides, but then there was that Digital Foundry video for Forza Horizon 3 where later-generation CPUs made a real difference. So I kind of don't know what to do for my next move. I'm happy to sit on my build for a bit, but if there are real gains I could be making now I wouldn't mind being able to update a whole bunch of my old hardware. Also there's been a lot of talk lately about Ryzen being better in real-world use because most people don't actually close all their programs when they play games, and I am 100% guilty of that personally. Anyways, here are what I think are my options:

0) do nothing - free!
1) buy a new CPU cooler, overclock the i5 3570k higher (but have I already kind of wrecked it by running it so hot for so long already?) - -100 CAD
2) Ryzen 5, seems like the 1600 is the sweet spot? - CAD + motherboard and RAM costs
3) i5 6600k/7600k - -310 CAD depending on sales + motherboard and RAM costs

Obviously, a graphics card upgrade would give me more bang for the buck than any of these options, which is why I now have a GTX 1080. But I figure a year down the line, it'll be really obvious that my CPU/mobo/RAM setup is due for an upgrade, and I'm happy to get ahead of that now if there will be actual gains. What say you, GAF?

Stick with your current setup. If your current cooler was able to run 4 GHz for years at reasonable temps/noise then take it back there. Alternatively you could get a new cooler, for example the Thermalright Macho Direct I use in my 6600K rig was pretty cheap and cools it just as well as the more expensive Phanteks I had in my 3570K rig.

I ran my 3570K @ 4.5 GHz and I only noticed a difference to my 6600K in CPU heavy games like GTA V and even that was only when running in 4K. I'd say upping the clocks on the 3570K combats a lot of what you would gain from a newer gen CPU.

Isn't Forza Horizon 3 pretty poorly optimized? I understand it recently got some CPU usage improvement patch too.
 
So I'm finally able to finish my Kabylake build (stupid ram holding me up) and am wondering what I should do with my old system. I bought another case for the old system and am going to clean it up for the missus to game on it. Do I take the 1070 that's in the old pc or do I just buy a new card? I am conflicted on getting a 1050ti and putting it in the old pc or do I just buy another 1070. I was thinking about the 1080ti, but it's pricey... the 1070 is price value I'm thinking of.
 
Disagree. If on a budget, get a small cheap 32/64GB to install the OS on. You won't gain in games but doing everything else will feel snappier.

Any recs on a particular model? I still have a little money left over if I go with the 1050ti instead of a rx470.
 

Khaz

Member
Any recs on a particular model? I still have a little money left over if I go with the 1050ti instead of a rx470.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00VX82PJC/?tag=neogaf0e-20
I've been using this one for a bit in a retro build, and I recently bought the 512GB version for my current machine. You may want the 64GB for an extra $10, which would allow you to move your current favourite game on and benefit from faster loading times too. [edit] the one I linked seems out of stock and overpriced by the current seller. A comment mentions a $25 amazon price?
For some reason I couldn't find competitively priced SSDs on newegg?
 

liezryou

Member
Disagree. If on a budget, get a small cheap 32/64GB to install the OS on. You won't gain in games but doing everything else will feel snappier.

I do have a MC, but that card is OOS at the moment. Does everything else look good?

Any recs on a particular model? I still have a little money left over if I go with the 1050ti instead of a rx470.

Don't do this if your build is primarily for gaming. The performance gain going from a 1050 ti to a rx 470 is huge (~25-30%). Besides, SSD is an upgrade you can more easily do down the line, selling and rebuying a graphics card is not as easy. Do you value more FPS and graphics fidelity or 30 sec faster loading booting (loading would only be a few seconds difference) times?

Also if you have a microcenter, they usually have killer mobo + cpu deals which will shave off some money. Otherwise your build looks solid.
 
Don't do this if your build is primarily for gaming. The performance gain going from a 1050 ti to a rx 470 is huge (~25-30%). Besides, SSD is an upgrade you can more easily do down the line, selling and rebuying a graphics card is not as easy. Do you value more FPS and graphics fidelity or 30 sec faster loading booting (loading would only be a few seconds difference) times?

Also if you have a microcenter, they usually have killer mobo + cpu deals which will shave off some money. Otherwise your build looks solid.

I'll check MC in case they have anything with the G4560, thanks for the tip.

If I can find a 32gb ssd just for windows for $20 I may pick it up, but I'm not too worried about that.

Rx470 are currently $160+, but if it's gonna give me that big of a boost...

Edit: At $160, the GTX 1060 3gb becomes an option as well, maybe even a 4gb 480 depending on sales.
 

liezryou

Member
I'll check MC in case they have anything with the G4560, thanks for the tip.

If I can find a 32gb ssd just for windows for $20 I may pick it up, but I'm not too worried about that.

Rx470 are currently $160+, but if it's gonna give me that big of a boost...

Edit: At $160, the GTX 1060 3gb becomes an option as well, maybe even a 4gb 480 depending on sales.

If you don't mind rebates, you should be able to find a rx 480 4gb at that price. Keep in mind the rx 570 is also an option. It performs very closely to the rx 480. Do you want to build this ASAP or do you mind waiting a few days/weeks? Right now besides that sold out microcenter deal it seems like there are barely any deals. One of those 3 cards should go on sale pretty soon.
 

ISee

Member
That's helpful to know. I do get that feeling that I'm being held back but between the articles about a Ryzen 1700 actually being SLOWER than an overclocked i5 3570k in some games, and the general consensus that each successive generation of Intel chips has only brought ~10% performance improvements if that, it was hard to know if I was just itching for an upgrade because reasons. I don't know if a 3770k is an option because I don't really want to buy a used chip and trying to buy that new in Canada is probably a fool's errand at this point.

This sounds like you are still a bit uncertain if upgrading from your 3570k is justified. Let me help you with that a tiny bit ;) (maybe)
The biggest jump was from Bloomfield (i7 9xx) to sandy bridge (i7 2600k) (about +30%). The rest was rather underwhelming if directly compared to the previous generation, but it adds up if you jump a generation or two. A 7600k is about 30-40% faster than a 3570k. That's not nothing.

I remember also having massive problems hitting steady 60fps in Just Cause 3, Witcher 3 and GTA V on my brand new GTX 980 (back then). I was very disappointed. This was at a time when the general opinion was:"2500k/3570k is enough for years to come", so I didn't even think about blaming my CPU.
But I started to investigate things a bit more and found some strange behaviour. Frame rates began to drop down to the high 40s in some cases, but GPU load wasn't even reaching 80%. I of course assumed that some games were poorly optimised when in fact I was running into CPU bottlenecks on my 3570k (@4.4ghz, btw). So, I upgraded and bought the 6700k and my fps went up like crazy in some cases. I couldn't believe my eyes. Same GPU, same mobo and ram, even same clock speeds for both CPUs.
Just Cause 3 is the most dramatic example, but fps also improved in Witcher 3 where they doped below 60 on many occasions (click and click)

http://abload.de/image.php?img=jc3_i56ux1g.png (3570k@4.4ghz, 1080p, gtx 980; 54fps)
http://abload.de/image.php?img=jc3_i7c1bff.png (6700k@4.4ghz,1080p, gtx 980; 94 fps)

I recently dropped my 6700k build during transportation. I slipped on a staircase and I had to make a decision: save myself or my PC. After I woke up from comma, I noticed that my decision wasn't correct, because my PC was destroyed anyway (just kidding, I of course sacrificed my PC and saved myself).
So, I had to build something new and was in a similar dilemma: Ryzen 7 or i7? I went for the 7700k. Why? Because the 1080 is the second strongest mainstream GPU on the market and after learning how important CPU power is when running a high-end graphic cards, I decided to get the strongest gaming CPU out there. Was it the right ‘future-proof' decision? I'm not sure and a bit in doubt, but I would feel the same with the r7 1700.
That's how JC3 runs on my new i7/1080 build.

https://abload.de/img/jc3_1080hkun8.jpg (7700k@4.5ghz, 1080p, gtx 1080; 137fps)

The 3570k (4.4ghz) would still be in the ~50 fps range in this situation, even with a gtx 1080.
And as you're interested in ME:A. I tested it with EA Access and 1440p/60 seem to be doable, even on ultra-settings, if there is no CPU bottleneck of course.

https://youtu.be/4wOegkxE_OM


TL;TR:
Upgrading the 3570k because of a gtx 1080 is even a must do imo. It's up to you to decide between kabylake and ryzen, though.
 
So I'm finally able to finish my Kabylake build (stupid ram holding me up) and am wondering what I should do with my old system. I bought another case for the old system and am going to clean it up for the missus to game on it. Do I take the 1070 that's in the old pc or do I just buy a new card? I am conflicted on getting a 1050ti and putting it in the old pc or do I just buy another 1070. I was thinking about the 1080ti, but it's pricey... the 1070 is price value I'm thinking of.

Keep the 1070, buy a 1060 6GB for your wife? If she'll game at 1080p then that's the sort that should satisfy her needs.
 

The Chef

Member
I am at a loss for what is going on with my wireless internet on my PC.

I was using this crappy usb dongle for wifi and getting very sporadic speeds. (30mb - 50k)
So I ordered a Asus network card:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0053GR2YI/?tag=neogaf0e-20

I thought this fixed it - I was getting really consistently fast speeds.
But now...i am back to an absolute crawl. Like 1mb down.

Here is the strange thing. When I test my wifi speed in the office at my computer on my PS4 I will get like 20mb down. On my iPhone when i test wifi speeds I get 30 down and on my PC I get 2mb...

What could be causing this?
 

e90Mark

Member
I am at a loss for what is going on with my wireless internet on my PC.

I was using this crappy usb dongle for wifi and getting very sporadic speeds. (30mb - 50k)
So I ordered a Asus network card:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0053GR2YI/?tag=neogaf0e-20

I thought this fixed it - I was getting really consistently fast speeds.
But now...i am back to an absolute crawl. Like 1mb down.

Here is the strange thing. When I test my wifi speed in the office at my computer on my PS4 I will get like 20mb down. On my iPhone when i test wifi speeds I get 30 down and on my PC I get 2mb...

What could be causing this?

Are the antennas on the network card just facing a wall? They don't do really well like that, and most newer cards include an antenna with a long wire so you can put it on your desk, etc.
 

ISee

Member
Hmm... MSI Gaming X RX480 8GB for 200€ or MSI Gaming X 1080 8GB for 400€ or wait for Vega?

A msi 1080 gaming X for 400€ is pretty much a no brainer, if you don't play in 4k.

Is this from a shop? Because I'd definitely would also buy another one for that price
 
If you don't mind rebates, you should be able to find a rx 480 4gb at that price. Keep in mind the rx 570 is also an option. It performs very closely to the rx 480. Do you want to build this ASAP or do you mind waiting a few days/weeks? Right now besides that sold out microcenter deal it seems like there are barely any deals. One of those 3 cards should go on sale pretty soon.

My Nano S is backordered on Amazon so I will have to wait a couple weeks anyways. I'll keep checking Slickdeals during this time looking for a 470/560/480.
 
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