Jill Sandwich
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Lilo & Stitch was lightning in a bottle. It felt so different and fresh, and it was a lot of fun. Not to mention having heart without being hokey.
I think the New Disney Animation Renaissance might have topped the previous one
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Lilo & Stitch was lightning in a bottle. It felt so different and fresh, and it was a lot of fun. Not to mention having heart without being hokey.
Jeff Albertson
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She isn't as cool as the others but Gothel has a pretty awesome villain song - although my all time favourite is Jafars Prince Ali reprise
manzoman96
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Na they haven't topped little mermaid, rescuers down under, beauty and the beast, aladdin, lion King as a stretch. The newer movies have been great (except big hero 6), but not that great.
Ding ding ding.
A lot of the more recent disney movies seem to leave the villain spot unfilled/ambiguous until a twist at the end where the true villain is revealed and thwarted in 5-10 minutes. In the original renaissance, it's pretty clear cut from the beginning who the villain is, and lets the villains become more developed or hammy and fun.
SchrodingerC
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God what mediocre movies they are. Still can't believe BH6 won an Oscar, that movie was aggressively mediocre.
Tricky I Shadow
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3 things.
1. This new renaissance started with Tangled and is only just beginning. Not only that, but Disney seems to be getting better and better!
2. Get rid of Big Hero 6 and add in Moana to your list, which by the sounds of things is right alongside movies from the previous renaissance.
3. You need to give this renaissance room to breathe. It's not fair to compare them now. The previous renaissance also has the nostalgia advantage and the fact that you first saw them as a kid.
Okay. I interpreted you wrongfully. But I still don't really agree. There is just as much variety possible with 3D as with 2D, and the fact they settled on 3D doesn't hamper the quality of the films itself. It's like saying the first renaissance wasn't one because they didn't do stop motion.
Again, it is sas they don't do 2d anymore and I do hope they get back to it one day.
Also. Europe makes wondefull 2d films too. It's not just Japan anymore. Check out the work of Tomm Moore
Trigonometrize.
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The inferior art style of the 3D movies combined with the bad movies like Bolt, Big Hero 6, and Meet the Robinsons (well, I guess that movie's okay), I really can't agree that the second group comes anywhere near the first. Zootopia is the only one even up for discussion as being in the same league as Lion King, Beauty, Hercules, Aladdin as far as I'm concerned.
Crap, you're right. He was amazing too.
The Main Event
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I do not feel like the current Disney era has any impact on today's pop culture at all.
Tangled ? Phenomenal ? Is that a joke ?
I'll fight you about Meet the Robinsons.
Bolt and BH6 were super medicore though. BH6 only got good when
hiro and the big robot went on a small rampage, just that one small scene
Trigonometrize.
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Were you under a rock for the 6 months after Frozen came out?
That's the best one so far.
BH6 > Frozen > Winnie the Pooh > Zootopia > Wreck-It Ralph > Tangled > Princess and the Frog > Bolt > Meet the Robinsons
Ganzlinger
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Rotten Tomatoes isn't reliable for kids movies these days, critics easily give favorable reviews. Every meh movie gains 80% automatically.
Old renaissance is still better in my books. The movies are more epic... Lion King and Mulan give me the chills everytime.
Old renaissance is still better in my books. The movies are more epic... Lion King and Mulan give me the chills everytime.
Violence Jack
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I haven't seen Zootopia or Tangled yet, but Big Hero 6 was pretty good, while I hated every single second of Frozen.
One reason why I hold films like Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King, and Emperors New Groove in such high regard has a lot to do with the animation. I just cannot get into these CGI films the way I did with the hand drawn stuff.
One reason why I hold films like Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Lion King, and Emperors New Groove in such high regard has a lot to do with the animation. I just cannot get into these CGI films the way I did with the hand drawn stuff.
SchrodingerC
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MtR gets points for being a bit more creative with its story. Who knew bowler hats can be hellish.
Nah, Zootopia is the best of new age Disney animation.
Fully agree on both points. 2D and a much better art direction, made the first renaissance much more important, as far as i'm concerned.
But that just may be my rose tinted glasses, having grown up during that era. Alladin still the GOAT.
BigWeather
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Compare pre-Disney Pixar to the older batch and it may be close, but I still think the older batch wins. Pre-Disney Pixar is better than post-. No nostalgia here, was an adult for all of it.
I actually think the opposite. The older ones were the ones that had "the formula" that everyone kept trying to copy, giving us so many "Disney-esque" films like "Thumblina" and "Anastasia" and "The Swan Princess" and "Quest for Camelot" by rival animation studios trying to be Disney by following their checklist of cliches.
Disney did do surprising things, but it definite was a predictable and successful routine they honed and perfected.
Counter that, and Disney's newest films feel far more experimental to me. Zootopia's approach to race relations, Wreck-It Ralph's use of video game characters, Big Hero 6 using a nearly unheard of Marvel comic, Frozen absolutely upending several Disney traditions, etc. I think this wave of films could actually be defined by their BREAK from traditional Disney formula.
I mean, Moana is the first real musical they've done since Frozen. Most of their film's don't have those song and dance numbers anymore that you used to set your watch to.
Knuckle Sandwich
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Nah. Everything on that first list is miles above the latest stuff. Zootopia is fantastic though.
Zantetsuken
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Hell no
The Main Event
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It managed to last 6 months?
To Far Away Times
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Lion King , Aladdin, Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast.
That is a a formidable line up.
That is a a formidable line up.
I guess, but I'm still bitter about them dropping 2D animation. An absolute shame.
Big hero six is one of the most formulaic movies Disney has ever released
Until they come out with movies better or at the same level of Aladdin and Lion King, that previous renaissance will be hard to top. The rest of the movies in it are quite comparable to the movies in the new renaissance, some inferior some a bit better sure, but those two in particular. Yeah, not yet.
Laieon
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I think Tarzan, Hercules, and Mulan are better than most of the movies on the top of the list (Aladdin and Lion King being the exceptions), so I can't say I agree.
I think Disney is pretty hit and miss these days. I loved Zootopia and Wreck it Ralph, but I thought Frozen was largely forgettable (soundtrack aside of course) and don't really have any desire to run and see Moana. Big Hero 6 was fun, but pretty generic.
Benzychenz
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Need more musicals.
Frozen had some good songs but the rest of the movie was mediocre.
Zootopia was phenomenal regardless though.
Frozen had some good songs but the rest of the movie was mediocre.
Zootopia was phenomenal regardless though.
CyclopsRock
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You just made an argument for nostalgia
I know! It clearly exists and it's powerful. But then, I ain't saying that CG is soulless and won't be shown in 20 years eh.
Plus CG allows directors to do thing that were impractical to do in 2D. If they want to constrain themselves they can, if they don't want to then they don't have to. That's ideal, imo.
I disagree. The new Renaissance might be better reviewed overall, but it has no absolute classics. None of those films (at least, the ones I've seen) felt like films we will still talk about in ten-twenty years, meanwhile most of the old Renaissance films are still watched by millions yearly.
Tricky I Shadow
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Whether you like Frozen or not, it's still a new classic and will without question still be talked about in twenty years.
CyclopsRock
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I also think the old villains aren't that great. Yeah, they're evil, and that defines them, with entirely 2D motivations. Gaston's a philanderer who wants to bang Belle, Scar wants to be King despite his brother doing nothing wrong (ie it's not that he thought he'd do it better, it's that he wanted to be King full stop). Jafar's just evil. Yeah, they have great animation and great songs, but they aren't great characters.
Dr. Facilier is great because he has the songs and the animation and a more interesting motivation (beyond his initial one of simply wanting money) - that he's basically in debt and is desperate to get in his debtors good books. The "bad guy" in Bolt is a clever one, because for the first half of the film the bag guy is basically in Bolt's imagination and in the second half it's trying to fix the fallout from this mistake. Tangled's one is a mother who has genuinely come to love her "daughter" even though she needs to imprison her in order to keep herself alive. Frozen has a villain who is bullied by his brothers (which Mufasa didn't ever do to Scar) who then has a chip on his shoulder and, being so far down the line of succession, has no recourse but to find another kingdom etc. I'm not saying these are all high art or anything, but the reason you don't have "strong" villains any more is that they don't all pop up in the first act with a song, some nazi dancing and what ammounts to an "I'm really evil" monologue. It's a bit more nuanced than that now and what you lose in merchandisable villains you gain in interesting character.
Dr. Facilier is great because he has the songs and the animation and a more interesting motivation (beyond his initial one of simply wanting money) - that he's basically in debt and is desperate to get in his debtors good books. The "bad guy" in Bolt is a clever one, because for the first half of the film the bag guy is basically in Bolt's imagination and in the second half it's trying to fix the fallout from this mistake. Tangled's one is a mother who has genuinely come to love her "daughter" even though she needs to imprison her in order to keep herself alive. Frozen has a villain who is bullied by his brothers (which Mufasa didn't ever do to Scar) who then has a chip on his shoulder and, being so far down the line of succession, has no recourse but to find another kingdom etc. I'm not saying these are all high art or anything, but the reason you don't have "strong" villains any more is that they don't all pop up in the first act with a song, some nazi dancing and what ammounts to an "I'm really evil" monologue. It's a bit more nuanced than that now and what you lose in merchandisable villains you gain in interesting character.
ProfessorLobo
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Fuck no. New movies are okay, I love tangled, but there's a ton of mediocrity in that list.
GhostWriter24
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Love CG animated stuff as much as the next guy, but nothing touches Disney's hand-drawn animation. Just so gorgeous.
A Serious Man
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Damn, Beauty and the Best > Aladdin > The Lion King is one hell of a peak.
ThePrequelsSuck
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I've never understood why The Emperor's New Groove is not counted among the Disney Renaissance canon.
It was commercially successful ($90 million domestic, $170 million worldwide), received an Academy Award nomination for Best Original Song ("My Funny Friend and Me"), and was a critical success (holding a score of 85% Certified Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes).
If TENG isn't a Renaissance film, then the other post-Lion King movies (i.e. Pocahontas, Hunchback of Notre Dame) shouldn't be counted as Renaissance films either, since they were either just as successful or less successful than this movie.
It was commercially successful ($90 million domestic, $170 million worldwide), received an Academy Award nomination for Best Original Song ("My Funny Friend and Me"), and was a critical success (holding a score of 85% Certified Fresh on Rotten Tomatoes).
If TENG isn't a Renaissance film, then the other post-Lion King movies (i.e. Pocahontas, Hunchback of Notre Dame) shouldn't be counted as Renaissance films either, since they were either just as successful or less successful than this movie.
SiegfriedFM
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Some responses here are hilarious. The 90's movies weren't commercial? "Let it go" is about being irresponsible and "Hakuna Matata" isn't? Hand drawn art is artistic but computer animated lacks soul?
And most of all: Frozen isn't a phenomenon? I mean, have you LOOKED in a toy store recently? Have you seen how every damn kid has a Frozen hat or a Frozen backpack?
And most of all: Frozen isn't a phenomenon? I mean, have you LOOKED in a toy store recently? Have you seen how every damn kid has a Frozen hat or a Frozen backpack?
It is a phenomena, and its the only one from this era that is. Looking at the list, its either forgettable crap like Bolt or Meet the Robinsons, callbacks like Frog, Tangled, Frozen etc, or hip, bandwagoning like Big Hero 6, Wreck it Ralph.
None of these feel fresh or like they are moving the medium forward. The CG ballroom scene in B&B, the incredible animation, music from Lion King, an actual awesome Heroine in Mulan(Asian!), the very dark tone of Hunchback etc are all more memorable. The only thing interesting Disney has done recently is Zootopia.
NHarmonic.
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yeah, forgetting frozen i see.
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