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[magawolaz]

I thought the idea was that they were updating the whole system to improve some of the latency issues?

Hopefully they'll do it.
As of now, Remote Play is poor, and it runs at PSP resolution. If they really want to make Ico/SotC run at 852x480, they have to improve the system.
I'm sure Gaikai tech will come in handy (that Instant Play feature on the Video Store probably has something to do with it)

 

[thuway]

I really hope they patch this feature in for games like- Killzone 2/3, Uncharted 2/3, Resistance ;_;

 

[patsu]

The simple fact that people have to be happy about remote play for those games when they should have real ports on the Vita... Fuck that shit.

People can be happy as long as it's a free and workable capability/feature. 8^)

Sony will continue to work on real ports or new IPs anyway. They have to update RemotePlay to keep up with the latest tech. The Xperia devices will have wireless direct screen mirroring. The $380 mil Gaikai acquisition has to put to work in the future too.

 

[HueyFreeman]

People can be happy as long as it's a free and workable capability/feature. 8^)

Sony will continue to work on real ports or new IPs anyway. They have to update RemotePlay to keep up with the latest tech. The Xperia devices will have wireless direct screen mirroring. The $380 mil Gaikai acquisition has to put to work in the future too.

If you can only use it in the vicinity of the system, I don't see the utility. Why not just play the system?

There's so much work to do on Vita, why waste dev time with this? Get the PS2 ports up and running directly on it, people would shit a brick for that.

 

[onQ123]

For those who haven't tried remote play, the lag is significant and problematic. There is absolutely no way SOTC will be playable in any way.

but you're judging it off of the remote play that was made for PS3 to PSP with wireless b & less processing.


PS Vita has Wireless N & it can process the video better.

 

[patsu]

If you can only use it in the vicinity of the system, I don't see the utility. Why not just play the system?

Because playing in bed is MUCH more comfy. I also don't have to fight for the TV anymore.

Unfortunately, RemotePlay won't make a big difference until Sony invest enough resources to package it properly.

There's so much work to do on Vita, why waste dev time with this? Get the PS2 ports up and running directly on it, people would shit a brick for that.

Not sure if PS2 ports will work on Vita. If they would, Sony is probably after it quietly already.

Something like RemotePlay or Gaikai can work for more advanced titles, not just old ports. It may also be useful for remote app access, or outdoor access (e.g. schedule download). In fact, there is a version of RemotePlay running on PC. They were all neglected thus far.

Frankly, I don't mind an updated RemotePlay client on iOS, PC too.

 

[onQ123]

If you can only use it in the vicinity of the system, I don't see the utility. Why not just play the system?

There's so much work to do on Vita, why waste dev time with this? Get the PS2 ports up and running directly on it, people would shit a brick for that.

Remote play can be used anywhere there is Wifi.

 

[Oni Jazar]

If you can only use it in the vicinity of the system, I don't see the utility. Why not just play the system?

This is not true. Remote Play works anywhere.

 

[Sid]

If you can only use it in the vicinity of the system, I don't see the utility. Why not just play the system?

There's so much work to do on Vita, why waste dev time with this? Get the PS2 ports up and running directly on it, people would shit a brick for that.

Yeah...this feature isn't for the mass market but it's nice to be able to play gow1 and 2 on the vita's OLED for me mainly

 

[krae_man]

No one said this, where did you get that from?

To me it seems like any game that Sony deemed worthwhile to implement remote play would be worth getting a Vita port. Something like The Last of Us would probably get neither.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

Yeeeeees. I hope there isn't lag. Especially for SotC.

 

[Carl]

To me it seems like any game that Sony deemed worthwhile to implement remote play would be worth getting a Vita port. Something like The Last of Us would probably get neither.

No, that's not what it meant.

 

[HueyFreeman]

Remote play can be used anywhere there is Wifi.

Have you tried it though, man? I've used it on PSP... it's awful. Unless there's been a really impressive tech upgrade (which I realize they feel they've accomplished), i can't see this being much different.

Very small delays will completely alter the ability to play GOW or SOTC. I suppose we'll see, but I just can't imagine there's not going to something noticeable, and anything bigger than completely unnoticeable will be game breaking.

 

[Supervlieg]

 

[Carl]

Have you tried it though, man? I've used it on PSP... it's awful. Unless there's been a really impressive tech upgrade (which I realize they feel they've accomplished), i can't see this being much different.

Very small delays will completely alter the ability to play GOW or SOTC. I suppose we'll see, but I just can't imagine there's not going to something noticeable, and anything bigger than completely unnoticeable will be game breaking.

You really think they'd waste money doing it if it was unplayable on Vita? They'd save the money, i'm sure.

 

[Zoe]

To me it seems like any game that Sony deemed worthwhile to implement remote play would be worth getting a Vita port. Something like The Last of Us would probably get neither.

The more games that work via Remote Play, the less you have to store on memory cards. Isn't that good for the consumer?

 

[HueyFreeman]

You really think they'd waste money doing it if it was unplayable on Vita? They'd save the money, i'm sure.

I'm a big fan of Sony's man... but yes, I absolutely think they'd waste money.

 

[Carl]

I'm a big fan of Sony's man... but yes, I absolutely think they'd waste money.

What would be the point of releasing a patch purely to enable you to play on the Vita, if it's unplayable on Vita? I know they make some stupid decisions, but that would be a huge waste of resources and money

 

[onQ123]

Have you tried it though, man? I've used it on PSP... it's awful. Unless there's been a really impressive tech upgrade (which I realize they feel they've accomplished), i can't see this being much different.

Very small delays will completely alter the ability to play GOW or SOTC. I suppose we'll see, but I just can't imagine there's not going to something noticeable, and anything bigger than completely unnoticeable will be game breaking.

Yes I've tried it With a PSP & I also tried it with the Sony Vaio that I bought my niece a few years ago it wasn't perfect & I couldn't play games using the Vaio but it worked good enough for me to have a idea of how good it can be with newer tech.

& also look at the Cross control demo of LBP2 on Vita that's being done by loading a app into the Vita so Vita & the PS3 is doing the processing & it look like it's working perfectly, maybe the new remote play will work the same just have code that come on the PS3 game that will be sent to the PlayStation Vita & let the PS3 & Vita share the processing.

 

[HueyFreeman]

What would be the point of releasing a patch purely to enable you to play on the Vita, if it's unplayable on Vita? I know they make some stupid decisions, but that would be a huge waste of resources and money

I never knew what the point of programming cross play funcitonality for the PSP in the first place was either. It was unusable.

I don't mean to be a naysayer - if it works well, that's awesome. But I just got a bit burned by this on PSP, I was super excited about the feature, and it turned it to be a turd. Here's to the tech coming a long way.

 

[Plinko]

but you're judging it off of the remote play that was made for PS3 to PSP with wireless b & less processing.


PS Vita has Wireless N & it can process the video better.

Except for the fact that remote play is still terrible.

It just is. I remember people on here saying how it would be so much better with the Vita. It's not. It's just as laggy as the PSP. Any game requiring any sort of quick reaction is near unplayable.

 

[JCizzle]

It looks pretty good in the CW videos, so I don't know why the official version cant match that quality.

 

[xJavonta]

Dunno about Vita, but it was pretty bad for psp.

If I remember correctly, the PSP only had 802.11b wireless. I think the Vita has 802.11n, so it should be faster.

 

[patsu]

Except for the fact that remote play is still terrible.

It just is. I remember people on here saying how it would be so much better with the Vita. It's not. It's just as laggy as the PSP. Any game requiring any sort of quick reaction is near unplayable.

Not yet. But as iOS has shown, there are still some headroom for improvement in remote playing a small screen.

If I remember correctly, the PSP only had 802.11b wireless. I think the Vita has 802.11n, so it should be faster.

The PS3 only has 802.11g.

 

[Dibbz]

Shuhei Yoshida retweeted this from the fake Kaz twitter

 

[Jigsaw]

Shuhei Yoshida - What a wonderful guy

 

[onQ123]

Except for the fact that remote play is still terrible.

It just is. I remember people on here saying how it would be so much better with the Vita. It's not. It's just as laggy as the PSP. Any game requiring any sort of quick reaction is near unplayable.

you're still talking about the remote play that's coded for PSP, you haven't seen remote play made for Vita yet, the fact that the Vita has Wireless N & Better processors mean that they can use different video coding for the remote play.

& also there might be code added to the PS3 game that can be sent over to the Vita so the PS3 & Vita can share the processing.

 

[lupin23rd]

Shuhei Yoshida retweeted this from the fake Kaz twitter

Follow up fake Kaz tweet is gold:

@KazHiraiCEO: Sorry to tease you, I was just play testing the YouTube app on PS Vita. Available now."

 

[cyborg009]

Yoshida said resolution is 852x480 pretty nice

 

[onQ123]

Yoshida said resolution is 852x480 pretty nice

but some how people still think this is the same remote play as the PSP SMH.

 

[chickdigger802]

but some how people still think this is the same remote play as the PSP SMH.

There is nothing said that would make you think otherwise no?

 

[lepo]

Oh Man ..this is some serious trolling if you ask me

 

[Wario64]

Oh Man ..this is some serious trolling if you ask me

Only if you don't keep up with gaming news

The fake-Kaz account actually made a decent joke, though

 

[Maedhros]

There is nothing said that would make you think otherwise no?

The resolution by itself and a bit of common sense says everything you need to know: it's not the same Remote Play from the PSP (which is what Vita has right now).

 

[beason52]

but some how people still think this is the same remote play as the PSP SMH.

so a future firmware update for vita and/or ps3? that would be awesome. especially after seeing the lack of latency with the nintendo tablet I hope sony had a plan to improve the vita's connection..a higher resolution with the old connection speed would be unplayable except for turn-based games like PSP mostly was

 

[AranhaHunter]

lol of course it isn't.

The Last of Us and Beyond are not going to have Vita versions.

I think TLOU would work extremely well with a vita app that you can play the whole game on vita, but all your menus, bullet counts, and everything on your backpack is on your vita. Basically there are no huds on the TV screen and when you open the backpack like here, it would all be on vita. There should be a hardcore mode with no huds for people with no vitas too but that's another discussion.

OT, this and cross buy type of things are the type of shit that would sell me on vita.

 

[patsu]

Yoshida said resolution is 852x480 pretty nice

It is possible that they upscale 480x272 to Vita's resolution to keep things performant and lean on the PS3 side. Vita does the upscaling.

 

[chickdigger802]

The resolution by itself and a bit of common sense says everything you need to know: it's not the same Remote Play from the PSP (which is what Vita has right now).

still not native res... but yeah, forgot how low res psp was.

But still... come on, you spouting words like 'common sense' and 'sony'...

 

[KalBalboa]

I always liked using Remote Play to cue up downloads or play game that really worked with a slight delay (PSone RPGs, some of the PixelJunk games, etc), but this thread reminded me about how much I needed to get the Ico/Shadow collection.

Grabbed it today for $20.

 

[patsu]

still not native res... but yeah, forgot how low res psp was.

But still... come on, you spouting words like 'common sense' and 'sony'...

Sony does make a lot of mistakes, especially execution mistakes. ^_^

But it's their uncommon senses that made things interesting too. Things like keeping online gaming free, their creative games and releasing new IPs at late stage, PS Mobile, acquiring Gaikai, etc. are all pretty intriguing for a platform holder.

I hope they stick to their uncommon senses longer this time. Basically keep improving RemotePlay and tie it in with Gaikai moving forward.

 

[LuchaShaq]

As a vita owner I don't care about any remote play or ps1 nonsense.

Give me new exclusive games, fix the insane memory situation, fix the insane account situation, and fix the insane retail/digital price situation. Anything else doesn't matter at this point.

 

[KalBalboa]

As a vita owner I don't care about any remote play or ps1 nonsense.

Give me new exclusive games, fix the insane memory situation, fix the insane account situation, and fix the insane retail/digital price situation. Anything else doesn't matter at this point.

Well, they've got new exclusives coming & newly announced ones and I'm unsure what the "insane account situation" refers to.

They should really be matching their own retail MSRP on everything and then docking a discount off it by ~10% or so and I bet memory is going to take a dive whenever 64 gigs hit (hopefully by Christmas). Having the added bonus of remote play on a few awesome games doesn't really detract from anything.

 

[plainr_]

lol. Fake Kaz is awesome.

 

[patsu]

As a vita owner I don't care about any remote play or ps1 nonsense.

Give me new exclusive games, fix the insane memory situation, fix the insane account situation, and fix the insane retail/digital price situation. Anything else doesn't matter at this point.

RemotePlay, AirPlay, SmartGlass, screen mirroring, WiiU pad, Youtube screen pairing, etc. will be rather common moving forward.

But you're correct, they do have to fix those fundamental issues at the same time.

 

[LuchaShaq]

RemotePlay, AirPlay, SmartGlass, screen mirroring, WiiU pad, Youtube screen pairing, etc. will be rather common moving forward.

But you're correct, they do have to fix those fundamental issues at the same time.

Those things are like putting band aids on a bullet wound to the head if the games/pricing/basic features aren't even set up correctly.

 

[patsu]

Those things are like putting band aids on a bullet wound to the head if the games/pricing/basic features aren't even set up correctly.

They are most likely handled by different departments and have different gestation period.

The issues you mentioned are mostly business and policy challenges. They are not caused by technologies per se.

RemotePlay is a tech and product thing. They will have to keep plowing at it to make the next "level".

 

[LuchaShaq]

They are most likely handled by different departments and have different gestation period.

The issues you mentioned are mostly business and policy challenges. They are not caused by technologies per se.

RemotePlay is a tech and product thing. They will have to keep plowing at it to make the next "level".

Every dollar spent on stuff like this is another dollar sony needs to take with insane digital game pricing and memory card pricing.

 

[KalBalboa]

Every dollar spent on stuff like this is another dollar sony needs to take with insane digital game pricing and memory card pricing.

Again though, different divisions of the company. R&D versus media pricing and marketing. I don't think adding in remote play for a few games costs a ton, either... and considering the millions of memory cards they've sold and will continue to every dollar cut on cards results in a big chunk of change.

They definitely need to drop the prices, though. The 4 gig should disappear outside of pack-ins and $60 should grab you a 32 gig, imo.

 

[patsu]

Every dollar spent on stuff like this is another dollar sony needs to take with insane digital game pricing and memory card pricing.

The pricing of those things will ultimately tied to supply and demand, plus engineering breakthrough. Artificially injecting $$$ to lower the price will only be temporary.

If they don't invest in wireless display techniques, they will lose out to competitors in the future. Their Xperia division is already working on Wireless Direct screen mirroring. Gaikai also addresses similar needs over WAN. They should consolidate the knowhow and package their offerings properly.

They can explore both aspects and tie them together into 1 integrated Vita package. If they "just" release loosely enhanced RemotePlay game titles, then I agree it would be a waste of time.

 

[KalBalboa]

This thread reminded me to try Remote Play across the internet again with my Vita.

No joke, I've never had it work online before today and suddenly it's near flawless. I'm a two-hour drive from my apartment and I just logged onto remote play, my xmb popped up, and I played some Crash 3. There was virtually no lag- it was strangely usable!

My PS3 at home is in dmz and wired to the modem itself, which I'm sure helps, but all this speculation on Rennie Play and Shadow/Ico has me wondering if the Vita is helping too. Either way, it's neat.