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If Xbox Gamepass goes away….does that mean PS + will go away as well?

GulfCoastZilla

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Xbox is currently a mess on the console / hardware front and appears
to be to be going third party as quickly as possible (with optional hardware options for at least next gen)

If Gamepass were to go away
Would that mean PlayStation would no longer feel the need to continue PS+

I have both services, and there are so many AMAZING games on these services I would NEVER PURCHASED. I would have missed out and been ok with it. But thanks to these services I’m playing games I would never even think about reaching my wallet for.
 
Cakeboxer

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No, they would just raise the price drastically without competition. In My opionion those are the console market things that are going away before GP:

- Xbox console exlcusives
- Xbox Hardware
- Moneyhatted 3rd party games by Sony
- Timed console exclusive first party games by Sony ---> day1 pc
- >300m Dollar games by Sony
 
MMaRsu

MMaRsu

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No, it means they will raise prices for PS+ without anyone saying "But Gamepass is only xxx $!"
 
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MALpractice311

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Cakeboxer said:
No, they would just raise the price drastically without competition.
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MMaRsu said:
No, it means they will raise prices for PS+ without anyone saying "But Gamepass is only xxx $!"
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These guys get it. MS has bungled things so badly the last two generations, that Sony is basically unopposed which means we're dealing with peak arrogant, greedy Sony.
 
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Rawbutt Jellybean

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The quality might drop but they aren't going to stop taking in the money. Absolutely won't do away with the service and go back to when online was free.
 
Generic

Generic

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GulfCoastZilla said:
Xbox is currently a mess on the console / hardware front and appears
to be to be going third party as quickly as possible (with optional hardware options for at least next gen)

If Gamepass were to go away
Would that mean PlayStation would no longer feel the need to continue PS+

I have both services, and there are so many AMAZING games on these services I would NEVER PURCHASED. I would have missed out and been ok with it. But thanks to these services I’m playing games I would never even think about reaching my wallet for.
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Yes, Sony created PS+ Extra to compete with Gamepass. If Gamepass is done they will close the service too and people will go back at paying $70 for games.
 
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Elios83

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Gamepass won't go away, at this point they're far too deep into that hole to backtrack, but releasing big AAA games day one with just a 30m userbase to recoup costs is not feasible (the plan was an intial investement/loss phase to build a 100m userbase quickly but it didn't happen and it will never happen if even COD couldn't move the needle significantly) so in the future they'll continue to raise the price of the tier offering day one games or in the worst case they'll backtrack on these and follow the Sony's approach which will be furtherly validated.
 
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Darkness_Arises

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PauloRoberto said:
- PS Plus started at June 2010.
- Gamepass started at June 2017.

We can almost say that Gamepass was a response for PS Plus, not the oposite :-D
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June 2010 PS plus is the blueprint for gamepass. There was no paid online on the PS3 and Sony was forced to offer great 'free' games. It is easy to do when you are the last place console and the multiplats do not sell on your console anyway. I remember subscribing for the first few years on my PS3, stopped with the PS4 as they stopped putting newish AAA games on there.
 
AJUMP23

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There may be a reduction in value, but companies are not giving up the subscription based model.
 
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PauloRoberto

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Darkness_Arises said:
June 2010 PS plus is the blueprint for gamepass. There was no paid online on the PS3 and Sony was forced to offer great 'free' games. It is easy to do when you are the last place console and the multiplats do not sell on your console anyway. I remember subscribing for the first few years on my PS3, stopped with the PS4 as they stopped putting newish AAA games on there.
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A online subscription service is the easiest one to calculate if it adds value to your life.
 
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Madserb2023

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No, because PS+ isn't like Game Pass. I guess Game Pass could revert to being like PS+ and not have day 1 new releases but if they did,bI wouldn't use it.
 
Topher

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Not much would change. Just because PS+ extra/premium would have less competition in the service space doesn't mean that people have to subscribe. And Game Pass and PS+ are not direct competitors regardless. People choose the ecosystem and then decide if they want the service. If the PS+ price goes up then people can simply drop the service. That has nothing to do with Game Pass.
 
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Three

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GulfCoastZilla said:
Xbox is currently a mess on the console / hardware front and appears
to be to be going third party as quickly as possible (with optional hardware options for at least next gen)

If Gamepass were to go away
Would that mean PlayStation would no longer feel the need to continue PS+

I have both services, and there are so many AMAZING games on these services I would NEVER PURCHASED. I would have missed out and been ok with it. But thanks to these services I’m playing games I would never even think about reaching my wallet for.
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They will never go away. They would only get diluted like gamepass has already where games no longer release day one on console right now and possibly in the future not all xbox game studio games release on it. There is no reason to get rid of customers you have by the balls already and can just cut your own expenditure slowly and hope and see who still hangs around.
 
Mibu no ookami

Mibu no ookami

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It's crazy how much people think Microsoft dictates what Sony does. Microsoft is going 3rd party so Sony is going 3rd party. If GamePass goes away then PS+ goes away... That's such a weird way to think. These companies operate independently of each other, even if they do similar things.

PS+ is massive revenue for Sony. We're talking billions of dollars. They've already changed the quality of games that go into the monthly catalog and they've already increased the price. They know what model works for them and what doesn't. PS+ is never going away. It'll just become less and less worth it, unless they do things like bundle it with Crunchyroll.

Their whole goal is going to be getting people to sign up for PS+ on PC.

cireza said:
Dedicated hardware is going away, not Game Pass.
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It remains to be seen whether Microsoft could sustain GamePass (as is) without dedicated hardware. I do think they'll end up putting GamePass on PSN similar to EA Play, but the mandate would be no 3rd party software.
 
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Begleiter said:
PS+ predates Game Pass and wasn't a response to it, it was an effort to improve the PS3's situation. I don't see that they'd end the service now and just make it paid for online play, that would go down poorly when even Nintendo offers you something with the subscription.
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PS+ with its introduced tiers is an answer to GP though, it was changed/exppanded as a response, and it also is a follow up to their own PS now service that did not do much if anything at all for the PS ecosystem and fishing for PC customers now happens more with ports than with the ability to stream PS games. PS+ , or Now might have followed the netflix spotify modell anyway, but GP certainly put pressure on them. A games catalogue is offered now, the day 1 games though only as some tests with mostly some third party games. If GP had done as as much as MS hoped, Sony did not want to play catch up, so they adapted their offerings in a timely manner and probably would have even more if the results would have been different. Both don't seem to be as enthusiastic with these services anymore, but neither wants to be the one to back pedal brutally and then maybe lose the so far kinda small cheapass crowd to the other service.
 
yurinka

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GulfCoastZilla said:

If Xbox Gamepass goes away….does that mean PS + will go away as well?https://www.neogaf.com/threads/if-xbox-gamepass-goes-away…-does-that-mean-ps-will-go-away-as-well.1679561/#reply​

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Lol, no.

Because unlike the MS copy, PS+ is a succesful and profitable business. It has around twice the subscribers, generates way more money and since most of its games are old, to sign them is cheaper and they sacrifice less game sales.

Cakeboxer said:
No, they would just raise the price drastically without competition. In My opionion those are the console market things that are going away before GP:

- Xbox console exlcusives
- Xbox Hardware
- Moneyhatted 3rd party games by Sony
- Timed console exclusive first party games by Sony ---> day1 pc
- >300m Dollar games by Sony
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I think GP will continue during many years. I agree that Xbox hardware and exclusives will go away before GP.

Something else I think MS will remove to have a more reasonable business model is including new AAA games day one on GP, at least in the tiers that aren't the most expensive one.

Sony will continue moneyhatting 3rd party exclusives because once Xbox console is dies and MS finally transitions to a 100% full multiplatform publisher, they focus on competing against Nintendo in the console side and also to get ports of unexpected PC hits as could be Balatro, or games from certain regions because strategically they want to grow there like China or Korea. And well, their output as 1st party is limited, so they also need 2nd party and 3rd party exclusives just to keep their customers happy.

The $300M games will continue there, and every generation AAA budgets will continue growing because they always did so. Even without Xbox, Sony's first party will continue to need to give their console players content to differentiate it from Nintendo and PC, in addition to use their first party games as reference to showcase the 3rd parties what their consoles can do.
 
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AmuroChan

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Absolutely not. Unlike Microsoft with XBox, Sony actually needs the revenue as PlayStation is their biggest revenue generator.
 
MMaRsu

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Mibu no ookami said:
It's crazy how much people think Microsoft dictates what Sony does.
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Yeah I'm sure big companies in the gaming industry don't look towards eachother to see what they are doing and how to captalize on that.

Steve Brule GIF by MOODMAN
 
Sorcerer

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Well, all the console manufactures cleverly tie it into online as a way to try to circumvent the fact that you shouldn't have to pay for online, so I think it becomes, "I have to pay for online anyway" might as well pay for whatever else they throw in with it. Just make the customer believe they can have it all with their sub.
 
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Three

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MMaRsu said:
Yeah I'm sure big companies in the gaming industry don't look towards eachother to see what they are doing and how to captalize on that.

Steve Brule GIF by MOODMAN
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That means Nintendo is going PC and releasing on PS too? It was a very simple statement :
It's crazy how much people think Microsoft dictates what Sony does. Microsoft is going 3rd party so Sony is going 3rd party. If GamePass goes away then PS+ goes away... That's such a weird way to think. These companies operate independently of each other, even if they do similar things.
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This does not mean they dont look towards eachother. It means xbox are doing those things because they're in a situation that isn't the same as Nintendo and PlayStation and do not dictate what they do.
 
Mibu no ookami

Mibu no ookami

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MMaRsu said:
Yeah I'm sure big companies in the gaming industry don't look towards eachother to see what they are doing and how to captalize on that.

Steve Brule GIF by MOODMAN
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It's a big difference between looking at what others are doing and their behavior and actions dictating your strategy.

Case in point. Microsoft did Day 1 launches on GamePass. Sony did not. Valve doesn't charge for online gaming, Sony and Microsoft do.
 
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Moriarty1889

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Gamepass is what has killed the Xbox brand imo. PS Plus is just another option for Sony and it hasn’t ruined them like it has MS. Putting your big exclusives day one on a sub service was the most ridiculous thing Phil and Co. ever did. It is the primary reason they have tanked the brand. Game sales have tanked along with hardware due to Phil insisting games be put everywhere…….how this imbecile did not get sacked yet is beyond all recognition.
 
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Sony

Sony

Nintendo
I genuinely don't understand the hateboner GAF has for gamepass. You get the opportinity to play a shitton of games for a very low subscription price yet people spend more time arguing what the value of Gamepass is for developers rather than gamers.

"Hey all, Gamepass is such a good deal for gamers, let's spend our time in discussing wether Gamepass is viable instead of actually playing games with Gamepass".

I've never seen a more self-sabotaging discussion than this.
 
Sooner

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PS+ was around before GamePass. It was never meant to replace traditional methods of buying the games you want the most.
 
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V1LÆM

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gamepass isn't going anywhere as much as most people on here want it to.

Sooner said:
PS+ was around before GamePass. It was never meant to replace traditional methods of buying the games you want the most.
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true but after gamepass sony had to change it significantly to catch up.

Sony said:
I genuinely don't understand the hateboner GAF has for gamepass. You get the opportinity to play a shitton of games for a very low subscription price yet people spend more time arguing what the value of Gamepass is for developers rather than gamers.

"Hey all, Gamepass is such a good deal for gamers, let's spend our time in discussing wether Gamepass is viable instead of actually playing games with Gamepass".

I've never seen a more self-sabotaging discussion than this.
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It's NeoGaf, anything Xbox gets laughed at. Sony is the only platform worth playing games on apparently. I'm still waiting for some good exclusives to play on my PS5 which has been a waste of money so far.

Too many people care about how the COMPANY is and not how they, as consumers, are being treated. It's like cheering on your favourite team except this time it's your favourite company.
 
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Sooner

Sooner

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Sony said:
I genuinely don't understand the hateboner GAF has for gamepass. You get the opportinity to play a shitton of games for a very low subscription price yet people spend more time arguing what the value of Gamepass is for developers rather than gamers.
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$200 a year to rent games and you don't even get to pick the games like you do with GameFly, isn't as great of a deal as people want to believe.

The problem is most people have so many monthly subscriptions that they forget about, they continue to throw money away constantly and not even realize it.

They aren't thinking about the $200 spread out across the year, so when something releases on GP that they actively do want to play, they see it as free or some amazing deal. They don't even realize the game is often on sale for $10 to own.
 
Euler007

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I doubt it. It's meant to provide the funds for the multiplayer architecture, the free games are just an extra.
 
GulfCoastZilla

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Sooner said:
$200 a year to rent games and you don't even get to pick the games like you do with GameFly, isn't as great of a deal as people want to believe.
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never used GameFly but I had zero control over what games were available at blockbuster and Hollywood video, these services are the same thing, just without the bend you over late fees
 
Sony

Sony

Nintendo
Sooner said:
$200 a year to rent games and you don't even get to pick the games like you do with GameFly, isn't as great of a deal as people want to believe.

The problem is most people have so many monthly subscriptions that they forget about, they continue to throw money away constantly and not even realize it.

They aren't thinking about the $200 spread out across the year, so when something releases on GP that they actively do want to play, they see it as free or some amazing deal. They don't even realize the game is often on sale for $10 to own.
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To be fair, it's not 200 to just rent games, it has online gaming in it as well. So it's for online gaming ánd games. But aside from that, even if it was 200 for purely "renting games", you can't seriously argue that "it's not as great of a deal as people want to believe". You litereally had CoD: Black Ops 6 and Indiana Jones within months of each other within the subscription. The highest tier, Ultimate, gives you day 1 access to first party games. Just think of the games you have access to.

Also, you couldn't be more detached from reality with the "They don't even realize the game is often on sale for $10 to own." argument for multiple reasons:
1. When was the last time Indiana Jones, Black Ops 6, Flight Simulator 2024 and Diablo IV were on sale for $10? That's a BS argument. For every game you think was in sale for 10$, there is another game that is easily over $40.
2. Even if you can sometime maybe in the future buy a game that is on gamepass on a sale for 10$, you will actually have to wait for itto go on sale to the price point you'd like to buy it for, instead of playing the games when they're on gamepass (or whenever you want first party games). But hey, if you want to wait until 2035 to find Black Ops 6 in a clearance sale bin to play it with 3 people and bots online, be my guest.
 
Topher

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cireza said:
Dedicated hardware is going away, not Game Pass.
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Don't see it man. Local hardware may not be the primary method of playing games with the masses at some point, but that doesn't mean there won't be enthusiasts who will want to buy and play on their own hardware. Businesses are showing us right now that hardware doesn't have to sell 10s of millions to be a worthwhile venture. Steam Deck and other handhelds don't sell in huge numbers, but that is still a viable segment for companies like Lenovo, Asus etc. Likewise, if the hardware exists, publishers will continue to push their games to it.
 
Boss Mog

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PS+ Extra is completely different from Gamepass because it for older games. There's nothing wrong in giving older games new life by releasing them on a subscription service. Putting new releases on a subscription model on the other hand is beyond stupid (unless that sub is $80/month maybe but nobody would pay that) and hurts the industry.
 
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Cakeboxer

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Sooner said:
$200 a year to rent games and you don't even get to pick the games like you do with GameFly, isn't as great of a deal as people want to believe.

The problem is most people have so many monthly subscriptions that they forget about, they continue to throw money away constantly and not even realize it.

They aren't thinking about the $200 spread out across the year, so when something releases on GP that they actively do want to play, they see it as free or some amazing deal. They don't even realize the game is often on sale for $10 to own.
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Only idiots pay that much for GP. You can make 18 months GPU for like ~75 Euro and it's not even hard and only takes 10 minutes.
 
Fbh

Fbh

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lol no.
Ps+ isn't going away, if anything Xbox doing so poorly gives them an excuse to further increase the price in the future.

I don't see the Extra and Premium tiers going anywhere either. They might have partially been a response to gamepass but if they didn't make money they wouldn't keep them around.
Also unlike Gamepass it's no devaluing their first party releases, it's mostly just a service for older games.
 
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